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CCI Uppercut .22lr Defense JHP tested with the KELTEC P17
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Күн бұрынTesting the new .22 lr self-defense ammunition from CCI with my KEL-TEC P17. It features a copper jacketed hollow point bullet with skiving to help the bullet open up and expand into 6 petals all the while delivering around 8 inches of penetration in ballistic gel when fired from 2.5" to 4" semi auto pistols... or at least that's what's advertised... the ads show beautifully expanded bullets.... does it deliver? That's what I set out to find out with my trusty P17.
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@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
BONUS testing video is up including some limited 16"/rifle barrel testing you guys have requested many times in the comments if this video- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h66km66jt7_IgWQ.html
@JamesJones-cx5pk 4 ай бұрын
I bought a small loading tool for my P17 from Amazon for $12. It's a thumb saver when loading all 16 in the mag.👍
@wilycoyote9091 3 ай бұрын
I see where your P17 runs great and I have a dilemma in deciding whether to get a P17, or the highly rated Taurus TX22 which has had its share of issues and I also have had a very poor experience with factory repair of a Taurus G2C and am still hearing stories of very poor customer service from them. It appears that when you get a good one then they're great, but if there are any issues then dealing with Taurus is a nightmare. I am wondering if you have a TX22 and can compare the two. Reliability is very important to me since the fun of having a semi auto plinker is in being able to fire it a lot without dealing with a bunch of jams, misfeeds, light strikes and failure to ejects. I've been shooting 22's since i was a kid so I understand that the ammo isn't as reliable as centerfire and that some guns work much better with some brands of ammo than others and sometimes you just have to test it our with a number of different types of ammo to determine what works best.
@JamesJones-cx5pk 3 ай бұрын
@@wilycoyote9091 Get a P17. It aims inself. I've never had a pistol this comfortable in my hand. I like Aguilla 40 gr. for accuracy. CCI is O.K.
@wilycoyote9091 3 ай бұрын
@@JamesJones-cx5pk Thanks for the input. I like the Sig P322 the most but I keep reading of folks having issues with the barrel leading up and issues with the mags feeding rounds. The Sig costs twice what the Kel-Tec does. Feel like I'm gambling on a 22 semi auto problems no matter what I pay, and if that will be the case then I'd rather not fork over the extra for the Sig if it isn't going to work any better.
@JamesJones-cx5pk 3 ай бұрын
@@wilycoyote9091 The P17 is perfect, it's the ammo that matters. I like Aguilla 40 gr. CCI hp don't group as well.
@zipper396 6 ай бұрын
Boring test? are you kidding me? Dude you are a deadly shot. I was glued just waiting for you to miss.Great video.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed the video!!
@claytongross5657 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes boring is a good thing.
@InSightFreedom 6 ай бұрын
Clean running 👍🏻 Reliability 👍🏻 Grouping 👍🏻 Expansion 👎🏼 Thanks for the honest review.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
@isaaccutlip5815 6 ай бұрын
Penetration 👎
@mullwagon5615 Ай бұрын
P17s are great for the price. Glad to see you showing it off
@Larry-gn1xj 9 күн бұрын
Not just for price. Mine eats everything.
@itsjustjoe3790 6 ай бұрын
“Tools n’ Buffalo” sounds like a great podcast
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I like it!
@luketilley9137 6 ай бұрын
I'd definitely watch it.
@ThePolareyes53 6 ай бұрын
@@luketilley9137 Same here
@yourmomma2995 6 ай бұрын
we all KNOW what time it is! 🤣
@mattmania8117 2 күн бұрын
Tools is trash. In my opinion.
@dirtfarmer7472 Ай бұрын
My EDC is a .22 and will continue to be. Yes, freedom is the greater good Thank you Sir for your time & effort. Rooster agrees with your assessment
@Adam-nv9zo 6 ай бұрын
Only the channels that are sponsored by CCI have had good results with this ammo. I think that is all we need to know at this point. Thank you for showing us the truth. Shame on the other guys for lying to their supporters. That's a really bad look for those guys.
@GrumpyGenXGramps 6 ай бұрын
Who had good results? I ain’t seen one yet.
@Adam-nv9zo 6 ай бұрын
@GrumpyGenXGramps .22 Plinkster and CCI, lol. One the owner and one sponsored. Those are literally the only two I've found that claimed and showed they got good results. I bet there was some camera magic going on behind the scenes, and they were using a longer barrel length for their results to come out looking good.
@rileyneufeld7001 6 ай бұрын
@@Adam-nv9zoI trust plinkster to be honest to people and not do that. I do not trust CCI giving him a run of the mill box of ammo. Definitely something going on though.
@exothermal.sprocket 6 ай бұрын
It's also a bad look to claim that shenanigans are happening with certain people due to certain gel outcomes. That's what you call slandering someone for no reason other than loosely assessed correlation.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I wasn't there. I don't know what goes on at any of these other guys ranges. I do know that if you work for a company, you're not going to put a video out showing their product in a negative light. That's just common sense. Nobody in their right mind would do that. If they did, they wouldn't have their picture on that company's products anymore and if you disagree with that you've never done business with anyone in your life. That's why I keep my channel unsponsored. I don't want to owe anyone in the industry anything. I'm not accusing any of these video makers of anything nefarious. Their batches of ammunition may have worked fine. It is however, a very bad look.
@dougbarlow3010 6 ай бұрын
Buffalo. I want you to know that I always enjoy your videos. Your voice and demeanor is very calming. Your videos are always very well done and for me very educational. I will never criticize or make fun of. Thank for sharing for knowledge.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I am glad you enjoy them. I enjoy making them and even the editing process watching all my little clips and pieces become one video. Thank you.
@philstyles5384 6 ай бұрын
Hey Buffalo, I have watched hundreds of videos on firearms and I will say that you are right up there with the best of them. Fair honest concise information. Plus, for an ol’ hick, you are a right fair shot! Thank you for all you do and keep doing it! ❤🇺🇸🦅🔔👀
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank yee!
@danielhuff1397 6 ай бұрын
I'd love to see Buffalo, Sootch and Hickock45 do a video together.
@somnusdagod6749 6 ай бұрын
That's the stuff of dreams @@danielhuff1397
@22addict40 Ай бұрын
22plinkster has already explained why it won’t expand in that clear gel! It will expand in the fbi gel as what was used in developing this round. A little reading and comprehending you would understand and know this!🙏🏻🇺🇸💯🤙🏻
@TheAnnoyingBoss 11 күн бұрын
Testing on gel isnt anything close to a human or animal
@UncleTerry 10 сағат бұрын
@@TheAnnoyingBoss got to go with the meat target
@thewinterwhite Ай бұрын
Fantastic work, Buffalo. I watch and rewatch your videos, and I appreciate your candor, professionalism, and honesty.
@rosshemmings9384 6 ай бұрын
As always, great unbiased video. Also I'm also impressed with your accuracy shooting. I will definitely try to stay on your good side!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@chretired 6 ай бұрын
Exact same results as T&T. I'll stick with the Punch round if this stuff can't peform better. Good testing & review Buffalo. You also had the extreme variation in velocity.
@josephpacchetti5997 6 ай бұрын
Agree 100% Total Fail. 🇺🇸
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching my video and especially for leaving the comment it really does help. I didn't get to see the other fellas video before I made this one or I wouldn't have been as disappointed, but I'm kinda glad I didn't so you got to see my disappointment on the video.
@Steven-gv1ke 4 ай бұрын
@@josephpacchetti5997If the density of the test medium is not close to that of human soft tissues (1.040 ± 0.020 g/cc), then there is no way that the test medium can accurately reproduce the expansion and resultant penetration depth of a test bullet. The density of human skeletal muscle tissue is 1.045 g/cc. The density of human adipose tissue (aka: 'fat') is 0.945 g/cc The density of properly prepared and calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin at 39°F is 1.037 - 1.043 g/cc. The density of water is 0.9982 g/cc at STP. The density of Clear Ballistics Gel is 0.824 g/cc. The Clear Ballistics Gel product is between 13% and 21% less dense than human soft tissues. This is why Clear Ballistics Gel produces less dynamic pressure to initiate and drive projectile expansion. Clear Ballistics Gel produces less expansion and greater penetration than what occurs in any human soft tissue or either of the two valid accepted soft tissue simulants: 10% ordnance gelatin and water. The take-away? Clear Ballistics Gel is an inferior test medium which is incapable of producing test data that is representative of any human soft tissue.
@noahcount7132 6 ай бұрын
Results of this evaluation are well worth knowing, Buff! Many thanks! And, as ever, thanks for reminding us that Freedom is the Greater Good, and thanks also for closing with that all-American banjo music! 👍
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, especially the closing parts, that tells me you made it to the end of another long Buffalo video!
@TheOldFatDadGoober 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the extensive testing! Test results look very similar to what I've seen. Makes you wonder what CCI was thinking... 🤔
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I'm still wondering.
@Buletspunge555 6 ай бұрын
I know that the Uppercut wasn't designed for rifle barrels, but I wonder if it would gain any velocity out of a rifle? Maybe open the hollow point? Or would it actually slow down due to additional friction?
@appalachianpatriot1796 6 ай бұрын
22 revolver with 6in barrel? I sold mine so I can’t test this.
@pewpewTN 6 ай бұрын
I've seen it expand properly in organic gel. That might have something to do with it.
@TheOldFatDadGoober 6 ай бұрын
@@pewpewTN It seems to be very particular about what mediums it will expand in.
@audiehollon4292 6 ай бұрын
Paul Harrell stated that hollow points are dependent on velocity to expand. I wonder if the low muzzle velocity of the CCI is resulting in the poor performance. Great video. I enjoy what you share with us viewers.
@KnifeNinjaEDC 6 ай бұрын
You’d think an ammunition company would think of that. Shocker
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
These are rated at 950 fps. I was averaging 973 fps according to my chronograph. So the velocity was on the high side of what the bullet was supposed to be engineered for, not the low side. Obviously the bullet was not properly designed to bloom at the rated velocity.
@CrimeVid 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors I thought that the best thing to do with undersize,underpowered rounds,was to make a LOT of deep holes, and not worry about expansion. This was the lore according to KZfaq when I first started to watch gun channels !
@FTWIHA 6 ай бұрын
@@CrimeVid That's still mostly true though, at least in "professional" use. If you use a bullet smaller than 6.5mm you're better off going for high velocity and a bullet design that is either frangible or yawing and that can withstand a high twist rate because while a 4.6x30 for example carries the same energy as a 9x19, the bullet simply does not have enough mass and size to efficiently deliver that energy through expansion, so it has to be delivered by either using the entire surface area of the projectile through yawing or to dissipate and deliver it through fragmenting. Taking 4.6 as an example again, this is the exact reason the military and LE use homogenous brass and steel bullets with a copper plating for aerodynamics and barrel life, because those rounds yaw and disintegrate like hell. Same reason why you're better off with homogenous bullets in .17HMR or the glorious .17 MachIV for hunting.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
@@CrimeVid As you heard me say that in the video, yes, I still follow that doctrine. Penetration over expansion in calibers like .22lr, .25 acp. .32 acp etc etc. Typically, what I have found is bullets in those calibers that expand don't deliver enough penetration. However, I enjoy testing new designs and seeing bullet/cartridge technology move along so I had I hopes for this Uppercut stuff for the people out there that prefer a little expansion in their small calibers.
@bigolemike33 6 ай бұрын
Honesty at it's Finest.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for that!
@spwiggins 6 ай бұрын
I have yet to see a favorable review of the Uppercut. Keep up the good work. Love your channel.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@TheLoneRanger745 5 ай бұрын
I got say , this Keltec P-17 is much better than i previously thought, I've seen several guys show this pistol and all have proformed Super good, WELL WORTH ADDING TO THE COLLECTION ❤. THANKS BUFFALO
@raytribble8075 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy every video you have made. Don’t let the lonely people who have miserable lives get to you. I shoot a lot and am always amazed at your shooting abilities. I had a range like yours out to 1000 yards behind my house in Wyoming… someday someone will wonder where all these 500 grain lead cast bullets came from out there… I lost count of how many 45-110’s I shot out there. I was looking at one of these for a fun gun… if I buy another handgun my wife might use it on me lol. I used to write “brick of .22’s“ on the grocery list every week (same 550 round boxes at Walmart... after 3-1/2 or so years my wife asked me… how many of these do you have… In my calmest voice I replied… almost enough… lol Thank you sir for sharing and God bless.
@djjaysky9071 6 ай бұрын
your lucky to have such a long range at your house
@raytribble8075 6 ай бұрын
@@djjaysky9071 thank you, but I no longer live in Wyoming. I transferred with my job of 41 years to west of Houston, Texas. I live in the country here, but I am limited to 200 yards here at the house. I do miss that range… my house bordered BLM land so I built a bench and steel targets every 100 yards out to 1000. The guy who bought my house told me “it was the best selling point of the house” lol
@exothermal.sprocket 6 ай бұрын
Wasn't aware they used the Stinger length case. Good show! I wonder, if the hollowpoint was enlarged if it would initiate expansion. Well, it is what it is. Hopefully CCI will assess some independent testing on media and go back to a redesign at some point. That's what I'd do as a large and legendary company who manufacturers typically very good rimfire ammo. Thanks Buffalo. I always appreciate your thoughtful and educated approach to the content you provide.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the well written comment. Much appreciated.
@phantasmorama8997 Ай бұрын
Excellent testing. That bullet does not make enough velocity to reliably expand under a variety of conditions, as you showed here. It seems it ONLY expands in 10% organic gel which is sad because a lot of people see those videos and think it represents real world conditions. As yours and many other videos have shown, once you get just the slightest bit outside the consistency of the organic stuff this bullet fails. Not to mention that when it does expand in organic gel it does not meet penetration requirements, something many people seem to not be noticing. Thank for your hard work and thoroughness!
@AlittleSmokey 6 ай бұрын
Always appreciate your time and effort! Such a great person that we get to see. I think you are a genuine person.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate that! I just try to present things as they are. I may get things wrong sometimes but I'll never intentionally mislead anyone.
@briank.7937 6 ай бұрын
Hey man, great video as always! Even though it was a disappointment in performance you did a GREAT job showing the real results. Always a joy to watch and listen.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. It really was a disappointment but that's how we learn things. I think I am more disappointed in the CCI marketing of this round than the actual results I got. They have to know that this round is not doing what they are telling people it's doing. That's disappointing.
@briank.7937 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors CCI has been one of the companies we could count on for no BS and marketing hype. They got this one wrong and I'm hoping they hear it loud and clear.
@frankbrowning328 6 ай бұрын
I can't count how many videos I've seen of this gun performing well. For the price it's an amazing little pistol value. CCI needs to reduce the thickness of the jacket and it would also help to give it just a little more velocity.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Bearcwy 5 ай бұрын
Did anyone else notice the second shot through the denim had tumbled and was facing backwards? Thanks for a good and honest video.
@rogerjohnson6733 4 ай бұрын
Excellent, comprehensive and thorough test in my opinion! Thanks for all the work you do to make us more informed, my friend! I actually have had a P-17 for a year or more. It is the best bang for your buck in my opinion. I have run over a thousand rds of all different types and brands of ammo and it is super reliable as long as I clean the bbl and chamber fairly regular, with really dirty ammo you will need to clean up the chamber at the very least every 200 rds of the really dirty burning ammo. Accuracy is way better than I am capable of!! Thanks again for your thorough testing. May God bless you and your family my friend 🙏
@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын
Great video, but it failed because you didn't click your heels three times while spinning on one foot during a hailstorm! Everyone knows that's the only TRUE test!😉
@BuckeyeBallistics 6 ай бұрын
Opinion on Plinksters results? Saw both your videos and now Buffalo's.
@Soli_Deo_Gloria_. 6 ай бұрын
One word sponsored 😆👍
@BuckeyeBallistics 6 ай бұрын
@@Soli_Deo_Gloria_. Oh I agree 100%, I just want to hear it from Tools (and maybe Buffalo lol).
@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын
@@BuckeyeBallistics I replied to a comment about it on the last video I did.
@rogerray2545 6 ай бұрын
Hahaha hahaha
@marktroiani5401 6 ай бұрын
I always feel welcome at your range Buffalo. Thank you for that.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Glad you feel that way! I try to talk to you all and not the camera.
@FlightRisk1516 6 ай бұрын
I carry a TX22 once in a while and had high hopes for that round. Guess I'll take myself off CCI's notification list for Uppercut. One of your better presentations, IMHO. Thanks!
@TheHauntedMyst 9 күн бұрын
This guy is a great shot with one of the least expensive guns on the market!
@Bens359pete 15 күн бұрын
Hard to miss with that low recoil. Love my p17
@ACommenterOnYouTube 11 күн бұрын
got mine back in Jan this year, liked it so much i got a 2nd one.
@darikdatta 6 ай бұрын
The only time I've ever seen these expand was on plinkster's channel. Where they all expanded no problem from a variety of barrel lengths. Serious WTF with this stuff.
@user-zi2it2tn6b 6 ай бұрын
Plinkster is sponsored(paid) by cci thats why his worked as they should false advertising but now you see the truth. Check tools n target and old fatdad testing of uppercut same results as buffalo
@BrianF.1969 6 ай бұрын
He said in a different post that he couldn't get it to expand either until he used a specific testing gel. He didn't post that in his video though.
@user-zi2it2tn6b 6 ай бұрын
@@BrianF.1969 think I'll stick with stingers and interceptor for my 22
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I saw that video. People are saying he had to use a very specific gel to get the bullets to expand. For the record I did not hear him say that or see any post where he said that. But if he did say that why didn't he say that in his video. If these bullets are so sensitive that they require special circumstances to expand that is important information to share with your viewers and makes the ammunition useless in real word conditions. What are you supposed to do stop your attacker and give him a bottle of water because his liquid percentage was off a little? That's why I find it hard to believe that he said that but stranger things have happened.
@user-zi2it2tn6b 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors for this reason I will not watch his channel anymore
@steveperry3538 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Buffalo. My wife packs 22. We’ll stick with punch.👍
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Punch is going to be hard to beat IMO. Good choice.
@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS 6 ай бұрын
I've never known you not to give honest reviews . Who cares what the Lurkey lous think. I tryed it in my 20" Ruger 10/22 and it performed well expanding as well as accuracy.
@scottmorgan1016 6 ай бұрын
Excellent testing. I had my doubts at first because some YT make commercials and not reviews. But Tools test made me question the ammo and your video confirms my doubts. Thanks for all the work. Take care
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching my friend. I put a lot of work into this one. It just wasn't meant to be.
@donaldmonroe8503 6 ай бұрын
I might have to try these in a water jug scenario. If they don't expand in water jugs, they probably aren't ever going to expand. Thank you for the honest, fair video!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
That's true. If it's gonna expand, it'll do it in water.
@willrider2401 2 ай бұрын
I just saw a video by 22 Plinkster that might be worth looking into with the CCI uppercut. According to him, it will not expand in clear ballistics gel. It will only expand in the FBI approved gel
@TheGsellers 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for saving me money with this one. Another great test, so much info in a nice video!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
You're welcome and thank you so much for the comment. It really does help!
@TheGsellers 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors Well, saved me money on ammo...now have my local gun shop looking for a P17 for me lol
@RivenRock300 Ай бұрын
1st. Time viewer and I'm impressed with your in depth review , especially , the file test on copper plating.
@P3rformula 6 ай бұрын
For whatever it's worth, in 22plinkster's comments section he is responding saying that he used calibrated "Simtek gel". Given the mixed results between reviewers and gel blocks, maybe the conclusion is that this ammo is _marginally_ effective at best. But that's just my passing assumption. I am just a layman on the subject. Thanks for the review and being transparent and frank about it.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Others have mentioned that. I didn't know he was being scrutinized for his video. Here's the thing about the gel. If my self-defense hollow points require a very specifically calibrated gel in order to work then it's worthless in the real world. What you gonna do with an attacker who isn't exactly 70% water? Give him a bottle of water if he's a little low, make him run a mile if he's high? That way he'll be just right so that hollow point can expand. Nope I don't buy it. If my self-defense hollow points require a particular gel in order work properly then they aren't self-defense hollow points.
@P3rformula 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors - What you're saying is fair and well said. On top of that, customers have other options in what's frankly a "niche within a niche" of a market (22lr used for self defense).
@garyklingler4681 6 ай бұрын
Buffalo Plinkster railed on Tools review he did of the upper cut. It was very unprofessional I was surprised he didn’t do it here. You have great videos and love the honest feedback. Maybe try the in a slab of pork? That close to a human.
@davidburns585 6 ай бұрын
Always enjoy your videos. Love this gun in particular. So affordable and fun it should be standard issue in every household.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. Whenever I show this pistol I get mixed reactions but mine has been great.
@tomb6269 6 ай бұрын
Glad to see your honest video. I was hyped when I heard about it, but this is the 3rd failure video. The only one that it worked in was by a CCI rep..??? I think I will stay with my Stingers.. Thank you!!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Seems a little fishy doesn't it. OK a lot fishy.
@ronaldalleman2111 6 ай бұрын
A very fair test ,and a honest test ,good video thank you ,and good shooting
@user-rn5ks8sf5x 6 ай бұрын
Punch wins! Thank you for including the Punch comparison. It was the first thing I thought of at the beginning of the video. BTW I am also a big CCI fan.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Punch is hard to beat. Uppercut should be called "Light Jab".
@snakeriverrufuskrile7015 2 ай бұрын
Since 2020 I have noticed a lot of inconsistency in velocity of CCI .22 ammo resulting in sub par accuracy. You covered it all, sir, well done.
@warrendawkins7852 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for testing this, Buffalo! Although it was a disappointment, I greatly appreciate your honesty! In science they say even a failed experiment teaches you something. Now I know what NOT to buy! Thanks! On a side note, CCI also recently released the CCI Clean Hyper Velocity load with a 31gr polymer-coated lead flat-nose bullet with ballistics somewhere between a Stinger and a Velocitor. I suspect they would perform a whole lot better than these did and would love to see you test some in your P-17 as well as in some shorter and longer barrels.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Well if it functions in the P17 I just about guarantee it will perform better in the gel. I will see if I can round some up. Thanks for the suggestion.
@taofledermaus 6 ай бұрын
I actually like seeing ammo company's claims debunked - maybe they will learn that they'll get exposed. OH, did that new block of gel look smooth like that out of the box or did you still have to dress it up?
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Hey thanks Jeff. This block was actually one of the worst I ever unwrapped. I spent way more time prepping than I did shooting! Always good to have you stop by my friend!
@taofledermaus 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors Oh man, you almost have to melt the surface about 1/16" deep to get the wrinkles out. Almost easier to just recast the dang block when you unbox it. That drives me crazy.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
@@taofledermaus Yeah it's always a pain and this one was extra special...lol I think they heard me complain last time and decided to teach me a lesson.
@taofledermaus 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoorsoh, and leave the block out in the sun ;)
@nfaisnfgay 6 ай бұрын
Shills will still get this product to sell, and goobers will still buy it off the shelf with no other testing. Sadly not everyone researches before they buy
@TheLoneRanger745 6 ай бұрын
That little Keltec RUNS GREAT 👍 I didn't know they ran so good. Everyone testing this new CCI UPPERCUT reports NO EXPANSION. I'D like to see the cci Mini mag HP jell test
@TheKep 6 ай бұрын
Everyone except plinkster wonder why that is lol
@Bush63Master Күн бұрын
Great video...late to the party over here but CCI pulled that ammo. Keltec knocked it out of the park with the P17, which is my "go to" choice for C/C for all the reasons you mentioned, plus the fact that you can carry 49rds of freedom seeds that weighs in at just over 1 lb...talk about a party in your pants...50 if you count the other fun gun, lol. One could spend a lot more & still have nothing better!!! The new king of the 22lr pack in my opinion. There are some great 22lr defensive ammo choices out there.
@gregbagley3288 6 ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see if it expanded at all shoot from a rifle. I think CCI needs to rework the bullet so that the jacket is thinner at the tip because it took you a while to file it down from all the copper there. That is probably preventing it from opening up at pistol velocity.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I had plans on testing this from a variety of barrel lengths and firearm types. I lost interest when it couldn't perform the job it was engineered to do. CCI never intended these to be fired from a rifle, they don't even list a rifle velocity on their website. If I have to use this ammunition in a way it was never intended just to get it to work I'm not interested. I do thank you for the comment.
@gregbagley3288 6 ай бұрын
It is frustrating to get ammo and have it not work as it should. I wonder if Lehigh Defense will ever make an extreme defender round for 22LR. I think it would do well. @@buffalosoutdoors
@glasswinder 2 ай бұрын
Well informed demonstration. I'm gonna be watching your channel now 🎉🎉
@ChattMOC 2 ай бұрын
One of the absolute best conducted reviews I have seen. Thank you for all the precise measurements and objective information. I’m subscribing 😊
@PatriotNC1 6 ай бұрын
Hey brother, you never made a boring video yet. I watch your videos because you give a working man's review on these weapons and ammo. You've never let it go to your head either, like many YTube video makers do. Ok. About the ammo... to me, a "defensive round" as they claim it to be, should have a bullet that may not penetrate as deep, but expand, and cause a nasty wound channel. This ammo did not, neither did the Federal Punch. They being hollow points, they should have mushroomed out better. Glad I saw this before loading up my P17. I'll check out your bonus video next. Thanks for an honest and well presented video, as usual.
@thomasp2489 5 ай бұрын
Holy moly!... Hickok45 should be proud of your marksmanship and reviews!
@luketilley9137 6 ай бұрын
Got all the big dawgs commenting on you video. You are now a ledgend. 😎👍 Great shooting BTW 👍
@randygrider9758 6 ай бұрын
Finnally ! Someone who runs the gun like it was designed to run, and guess what? It worked ! Great video!
@jimmypavone3231 2 ай бұрын
Very Comprehensive review I'm still waiting for the upper cuts to be available in my area. I also love my P17. OH, I heard on anther video these are optimized to expand in ballistic gel not clear gel.
@justtl5885 5 ай бұрын
I have a new P17 and have not had time hit the range with it. How disappointing, especially how well the CCI ran for you. Thank you for the excellent work.
@garageguy879 2 ай бұрын
Hey my friend.Good to see yours is running well.I'm still having problems with mine,it runs better with 40 grain Blazer but not out of the woods yet.I'm hoping it's just break in issues.Keep up the good work.
@ACommenterOnYouTube 6 ай бұрын
26:48 Right ... CCI AR Tacticals did NOT run in my P17 at all, every 2-3 shot was a stove pipe on all 5 mags .... It was very annoying. CCI Mini Mags and Stingers run flawless in my P17
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
The mini mags in hp configuration are my all time favorite semi auto .22lr cartridge. They seem to run just about every auto loader I’ve got well. I keep them in stock for that reason.
@martyadams3915 6 ай бұрын
Just watched a video put out by whooteewhoo this evening on the p-17 he purchased and it was a disaster. He had trouble with the bolt failing to close no matter what ammo he used. He even oiled the slide,bolt and mag to try to make it run better but on average he was getting around 4 failures per mag.
@crankygunreviews 6 ай бұрын
Wow you did so much testing on these! More than anyone else I’ve seen. The file testing, pulling the bullets, all good stuff Buffalo! I know tools and targets did a side by side with the Punch, and the punch was better in gel and penetration, I expect with a heavier bullet the Uppercut wouldn’t penetrate as deep or be as fast
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thanks. When I dive into something I try to cover as much as I can... sometimes to a fault and end up with 30 minute videos 😂😂😂😂
@crankygunreviews 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoors yep, I’m well aware lol, you don’t realize how much footage you have till you edit it. Doesn’t feel that long when you’re shooting :)
@crankygunreviews 6 ай бұрын
@@buffalosoutdoorsI want to see these out of revolvers- snubby, 3”, 4”
@jimmieburleigh9549 6 ай бұрын
Everyone has been having bad results except for 22 plinkster. Maybe try a 5 inch and longer barrel and maybe close the distance to more point blank range but heck far as right now I'd soon stick with cci mini mag hp. What I'd love to see is that ammo tested in a standard ruger 10/22 and see the performance because it might make an excellent rifle round
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
It might make a great rifle round, but they don't market it for that. They don't even list a rifle velocity for this round. Also as expensive as it is there ain't no critter out there worth shooting them on. Really just a wasted effort on the part of CCI.
@Kenbur 6 ай бұрын
Thanks, Buffalo - a great testing video for this ammo. at the cost of this ammunition and based on your and a couple other tests I've seen, I will save my money and stick with what I am using. I too was hoping by the hype this product was given, I could have something a little better expansion-wise for my 22lr. pistol. But will stick with the penetration ammo for now.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Glad you found the video useful. Man I was really excited about this. I prefer penetration to expansion on small calibers like .22 but I love options and seeing ammunition technology move forward so I was more than happy to show the .22lr jacketed hollow point. But it wasn't meant to be. Maybe they'll make adjustments down the road but I lost interest when I shot that Clear Ballistics block. Thanks for the comment.
@lens7859 6 ай бұрын
I think I saw another video that was not crazy about this round. Tools & Targets I think. Good job as always sir.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Others have mentioned his video. I haven't watched it. If I had I wouldn't have been so surprised so in a way I'm glad I didn't so you get my natural reaction.
@bryanengland2466 6 ай бұрын
Ok I feel dumb. I made a big comment asking you to test with punch but you did at the end. Thanks for this video. Your awesome and maybe show them next to a 380 and maybe try to show people that 22's don't bounce around like the fuds say😅
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I get that comment a lot about them bouncing around like a pinball.
@bb3585 6 ай бұрын
Great, down-to-earth review and analysis. I think I'm going to get me some Federal Punch. Thank you!
@mickroe8798 6 ай бұрын
I watch a lot of gun channels , you are an excellent shot sir.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@unixpro2 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Buffalo , that was a useful demo and review. I carry a 22 and was hoping this lived up to the hype. I like the Winchester Silvertip fragmenting bullet and the Federal punch for self defense and I would have added this if it had expanded as advertised
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
That Silver Tip bullet base penetrates pretty good after the tip separates. It's a pretty good round. If you're carrying a semi auto it comes down to what runs best, IMO. Thanks for the comment and glad you found the video useful!
@oldbandguy 6 ай бұрын
Great video, as usual, with a great 22 pistol. I have one too. It's my 2nd favorite 22 next to my Ruger 22/45 Lite. As for the ammo...I think we need a duel between you and Plinkster. Both shooting at the same range, into the same kind of gel. You could each bring your favorite pistol and let the other guy shoot it. The results are somewhat shocking in the two videos. I think both of you gave your honest opinions, but there's got to be a reason one shows great expansion and the other shows NO expansion. Kentucky and Tennessee are neighbors. You guys need to meet at the border (not the one in Texas) and have this duel. Science is calling.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
I get mixed reactions when I show the P17, some love it others loathe it. My sample has been great. Glad you like yours too. I went and watched 22shooters video and he must have been shooting prototypes or something, I noticed his video was a very early video. I've been told he works for or with CCI so they probably got him some pre production rounds to have a video ready for the release of the product. I bet that's a different lot number than what I got.
@luketilley9137 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video brother. Off subject, I'm planning on buying a s&w response and I'm thinking the hornady critical duty 124gr and 135gr +p's would be the perfect carbine ammo, but can't find anyone that have tested them in a carbine. I think it would be a great video. Thanks again, brother. Stay safe and GOD Bless 🙏🕊🇺🇲🦅😎👍
@givein87 6 ай бұрын
I love these reviews! Plus, it's more Buffalo, what's not to love.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Well I'm glad you enjoy them!
@rooster3019 6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the frankness!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jimplantinga6288 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. I'm a firm believer in a lot of really bad days started with a false sense of security...
@halfcirclehranch6877 6 ай бұрын
I haven't seen anyone test these in a rifle yet. I'm curious how they'd work in a long gun. Obviously not what they're supposed to be for, but might be interesting to see.
@professorpewpuew 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the test and your usual non-sugarcoated approach! The Punch is definitely a winner. I've seen better out of high velocity round nosed rounds.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Hey James for some reason I just found your comment in my "held for review" tab. I don't see anything in your comment that would trigger it to be held for review but oh well. I reviewed it and approved it! LOL Thanks and I agree, the Punch is a winner, if it will run in the gun it's my first recommendation .
@user-ww4ip5ze5p 6 ай бұрын
Thank you Buffalo Outdoors, pretty much echoes my test firing...I don't have access to gel-blocks, but basing my findings on "report" and "felt-recoil", I am disappointed with these CCI Upper-Cuts. I tried them with an S&W M&P 22 and an older S&W model 18, 4-inch K-frame revolver. I tried them against CCI's Velocitor and Stinger rounds. The Uppercut both, sounded a much lower report, and much less felt recoil. You could really sense the difference between them and the other two CCI offerings. I just wonder why CCI would develop a really good copper jacketed 22LR round, and NOT use the same loading as either the Velocitor or the Stinger. I'm sure they'd have had a winner if they did. So, now I'll relegate these for pest control. Again, great! video and report
@apfelsnutz 4 ай бұрын
First time on your channel, and this is on my list of Best Videos... Excellent job, clear, concise and enjoyable ! Thank you for exceeding expectations !
@larkinoo 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Buffalo........and I love your little saying that you use at the end of some of your videos, " If someone asks you to give up some of your freedom for the greater good, freedom is the greater good ! ". Spoken like a true Patriot. :-}
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Glad you like that. I heard a coworker say that a few years ago, I don't know where he got it from, but it really stuck a chord with me.
@thomasburns4034 6 ай бұрын
Buffalo always has the videos I want to see !! Thank you
@wildmanjeff42 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and information Buffalo ! nice shooting too. That's a kind-of strange slide on the KelTec, but seems to work great !
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Yeah it's a weird little pistol. It works good though. I get mixed reactions when I show it on video, some people have had bad experiences with theirs but my sample of one has been great.
@JamesJones-cx5pk 4 ай бұрын
My P-17 is awesome. I ordered a loading tool from amazon for $12. It's a thumb saver when you put all 16 in the mag.👍
@dannthenitroman 6 ай бұрын
You are an INCREDIBLE shot. Wow.
@almcg4425 6 ай бұрын
Hi Buffalo, Thank you for all your testing with different 22lr ammo and using the Kel-tec P17, it helps me & others from wasting our time and $$$$ 👍. My favorite 22lr defense ammo in my P17 is the Winchester Silvertip Segmenting HP 37g ammo it's Fantastic, even runs in my Beretta 22lr 21A. Thanks for the Great videos, have a good one. Al
@miker9043 6 ай бұрын
Great test with disappointing results on the ammo, Fantastic results from the P17 !
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thanks. I'm glad that little P17 stepped up and saved the day.
@johnsnyder5470 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate the information. Great video that allows me to make an informed decision regarding what ammunition I want to use.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you found the video useful!
@claytongross5657 5 ай бұрын
Thats why i use the federal punch, mainly because 99.9% of all rounds fired reached WELL above 1000+ fps rounds. They were around 1050-1200 fps which is spicy enough for me.
@ThePolareyes53 6 ай бұрын
The only test I’ve seen so far that hasn't shown these rounds to be a failure has been from 22plinkster. According to his test every round doubled in diameter. Is it a coincidence he’s paid by CCI?
@bodine2508 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Sir. Federal Punch for me and mine.
@johndilday1846 6 ай бұрын
Great, informative video, Buffalo. Tools and Targets had similar results when he tested these rounds. The folks who use this ammo for self defense better empty the magazine into their attacker and have a good, close relationship with the Creator. I think your testing was accurate to the abilities of the ammunition to perform.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. Everything in the video is exactly as it played out. The ammunition failed to perform.
@flashgordon99999 6 ай бұрын
I am curious as to what they would do in a rifle as far as expansion goes. May make a good hunting round if nothing else. Thanks for doing the testing and keep living for freedom, I know there are a few of us here who are.
@jasoncarpenter4116 6 ай бұрын
Good Video and I'm glad that I seen your video before I purchased a bunch of it!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@HighCountryLiving 12 күн бұрын
First off, I enjoy your videos. Thanks you! That said, I prefer organic gel or Paul Harrell's meat target.
@tax905972 5 ай бұрын
That’s a pretty gel block. Much better than the burnt 🥵 reused crap
@pistolgrip44mag 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, that ammo is no beuno for self defense. On the other Hand, I just ordered two more mags to go with my two P17s. That gives me a total of 7-mags each. And I have never experienced any trouble loading a fully loaded magazine on a closed slide.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
That's awesome. I only have the 3 mags mine came with but none of them will seat when loaded with 16 rounds and the slide closed without a fight. Other than that she runs like a top though.
@djjaysky9071 6 ай бұрын
CCI has been hit or miss the last few years and this might be a miss but i do like the copper jacket on these
@maxmccain8950 6 ай бұрын
I’ve seen other tests of this with the same results. They either don’t have enough speed or the jacket is just too hard. Another great video sir.
@edwardkawecki8101 6 ай бұрын
Excellent review I always look forward to all your no BS honest results. Hard to understand how you can have these results and someone else with the exact same ammo can have totally 100 percent opposite excellent expanding results with basically the same size firearms. I think CCI R&D should take a look at both of the videos yours and the other one that "plinks" a lot of 22s on his channel and see if there is a legitimate reason for the totally different results. Thank you for all the hard work you put into all your videos for yourself and us viewers.
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
You're very welcome. So, the CCI sponsored channel you mentioned has stated in some comments on his video and on another channel's video that this ammunition will only expand in the type of gel he used in his video. I was not aware of this until some viewers pointed it out to me. I've had great success with bullet expansion in Clear Ballistics during my .22 magnum short barrel revolver testing, especially with that 45 grain Federal bullet. Those videos are on YT. These Uppercuts are apparently much more picky about expanding. Glad you enjoy the videos!
@ericbc7 3 ай бұрын
As 22plinkster found, clear gel has a different density than fbi ballistics gel which the uppercut was designed around. Uppercut expands more reliably in fbi gel.
@nowhereman108 6 ай бұрын
Excellent Vid. Telling me everything I wanted to know about these. Verifying what other non paid reviewers have also found. Disappointing. Staying with Punch, Velociters and Stingers based on situation. Thanks, Sir!
@buffalosoutdoors 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you found the video useful and I really appreciate you leaving the comment. It really helps.
@rickcole2301 4 ай бұрын
Hello Buffalo, there is a reason it came up when the 22 plinkster some people tried it in a gel block and it didn't function like it was supposed to. So he did another video and he had an actual FBI gel block. That's what it was designed for and they did mushroom in that block. I just saw the his video. The recap video about a week ago or so so it's just fairly recent one but you might want to check it out. That's all I got to say about that and you have a great evening!
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