Great question. Well.. you need a starting point obviously. Either a piece you've seen or an experiment you've made. The all important thing is to keep the same AR, as long as you do that, your chain will look the same regardless of material or size. For example I also make these byzantine bracelets with a larger Mobius link in them as the connectors. very nice. So in this case my chain links are AR 3.3 and my larger mobius links are AR 6.25 So in order to replicate this bracelet in any other material I just have to stick to these ratios. I use 1.2mm wire, but lets say I wanted to make it bigger and use 1.5 mm wire... how big would it be? what mandrels would i need? simple... The chain links would be 1.5mm wire x 3.3AR = 4.95 (5mm inside diameter ie mandrel required) and hence the chain would be 6.3mm outside diameter ( imagine looking across a ring 1.5 wire + 5 mandrel +1.5 wire ) Likewise the larger mobius rings would be 1.5 wire x 6.25 AR = 9.375 (say 9.5mm mandrel) and the larger links would be 12 mm outside diameter (1.5 + 9.5 +1.5= 12.5 mm). So just grab my 5mm and 9.5 mm mandrels with my 1.5 wire and the chain will look exactly the same, just bigger. Remember that you can always work the calculation backwards. to get the number you require. Inner diameter / wire diameter =AR Wire diameter X AR = Inner diameter (the mandrel size required) Wire diameter + mandrel Diameter + Wire diameter = outside diameter (width of final bracelet). Outer diameter - Wire diameter - wire diameter = Inner diameter. So just flip it round to get whatever number you want to know. Someone comes to you and says they want a nice heavy byzantine bracelet, about 1cm wide. What do you do ? what wire do you need? what size? well you know that the ideal AR for a nice byzantine is 3.5 and you need an outside diameter of 10mm So that's our starting point. I have spreadsheets with all wires and ARs on. but without that we need to make a guess a starting point. So lats say 2mm wire. So... 2mm X 3.5 AR = 7mm mandrel (7+2+2) = 11mm Outside diameter. So if the customer is happy with 11mm then that's fine. If he definitely insists that its 1cm then lets go with a slightly smaller wire. say 1.9 mm.... 1.9mm X 3.5 AR = 6.65 mm Mandrel 1.9 + 6.65 + 1.9 = 10.45mm Outside diameter, Unless he's using a micrometer to measure the chain I'm sure less than half a mm over will be fine. Failing that, work out 1.8mm or 1.7mm wire. the point is, all the chains will look the same just different scale. As you reduce the the wire you reduce the mandrel and vice versa, hence the AR always remains the same, and the chain looks identical and in proportion. Hope this all makes sense. I can look at a picture on the web, print it out (size doesn't matter) and measure the rings. then work out the aspect ratio. I can then replicate that chain in any size I want. Very powerful once you've got it. Dave

@@CelticDreamsCoUk dammit. My math teacher was right. His formulas do come in handy throughout my lifetime.

@@RockyMountainBear it’s 1 am and i’m sitting here trying to remember algebra for this lol

@@CelticDreamsCoUk this is the most great information I've ever seen in a reply .wow:-) subscribed

Thank you Dave for a great explanation on the calculations and a great tutorial on this chain, I have made one with cheap jump rings first and mastered this one👍

Thank you for those kind words. You're never too old to learn, and it is really simple once you get going. You CAN do this. If you get stuck, just ask. Go for it ! Dave

@@CelticDreamsCoUk yo bro both yours n his comments are so wholesome. I hope the both of you are doing awesome 👌🖤

Hi Pen, Thanks. I watched all the other videos and thought i could explain it better. Thanks for watching. Dave.

Glad it helped! feel free to buy me Coffee ; ) link in the description. Dave

Greetings. Thanks for watching. Have a nice day. Dave

Glad to have helped. Dave

Thanks for the lovely comments. Thats exactly why I do this. Now you too can have the joy and satisfaction of making your own beautiful chains. I am happy to have inspired you. Thanks for watching. Dave

Thanks. I think this video clip will answer that question. Dave . kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMxgd7OZ39-bg2g.html

Thanks for watching.Dave

You are so welcome! Dave

What a lovely thing to say. Thank you. I actually, have been a college lecturer for 20 years, with four teaching quals, PGCE and Masters in education. So a comment such as yours is great compliment indeed. I thank you for watching and for taking the time to write such a lovely comment. Thanks. Dave

Thanks James. That was my intention. There are several good tutorials, but its a small thing to film. hence I knew I could explain it better. You need to be able to see it in close up. I used macro lenses to get really close. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. cheers. Dave.

You're very welcome! Dave

You are so welcome! Thanks for watching. Dave

Thanks for the kind words Kelly. too many people make videos and don't show the whole process (such as adding clasps) talking about the aspect ratio, or how to make the rings. This is a very popular pattern that many people want to learn , so i thought it was important to cover everything you need to know from start to finish. Do checkout my Persian videos too. thanks for watching. Dave

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Great. Enjoy. Perhaps have a go at the full Persian too, quite similar technique. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prh3hpOa07zcho0.html

Well done. Fixing them is indeed a skill, as you have to try and figure out what's missing. Glad to have helped. Dave

Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. Dave.

Thank you. In England my northern accent is considered very working class, not at all posh. But it certainly seems that Americans do like the British accent. Dave

Thanks guys. Dave : )

Thanks for watching. Dave

Thanks for saying that. its a very important point that most people don't mention or explain. hence why I made this video. Appreciated. Thanks for watching. Dave

Great. I'm pleased I have inspired you to have a go. Easy when you know how eh? Thanks for commenting. Dave.

Thanks Dave !

Thanks you. Check out the Full Persian Below. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prh3hpOa07zcho0.html

Thank you, but not Irish at all. Northern English, very distinct. see the link for an explanation of where I am. Thanks for watching. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJ6eeZent6urgGw.html

Thank you. Perhaps try the Full Persian 6 in 1 and the cross too. see my other vids. Thanks for watching, Dave

I;ve subscribed to your channel and will slowly work my way thru every one of your videos. You walk on water in m opinion.

Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. Dave

He"s right. i love 7:21

Thanks guys. This is why I do it. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a lovely comment. Dave

Thank you. I am pleased I managed to help you out. I'm not Irish though, I'm English. Dave. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJ6eeZent6urgGw.html

Thanks and welcome. Dave

You are welcome! Dave

Do have a go. Its quite easy once you get going, you can do it sat on the sofa watching TV. Rather like knitting. Just remember the aspect ratio. The inside diameter needs to be 3.5 to 4 times the diameter of the wire. Follow that rule and all will be well. good luck,. Dave

Hi Barbara, Thanks for that. It's so lovely to hear that I have inspired you. Enjoy your new skills! You can of course always buy a lobster clasp, Albert swivel, or if you can find them "large "bolt rings look cool. Dave

Easy once you know how. Thanks for watching, Dave

Now you know how, you can have an elegant chain of your very own. Thanks for watching. Dave

Well comments like this are the reason I do it. It's so nice to think that I have inspired people to have a go. That's the point, and hopefully you'll get as much pleasure out of it as I do. One thing to note in my method is that it's much faster as I pre close a third of the rings and attach them in pairs, so a much faster method. If you make one, send me a pic on Facebook. Thanks for watching. Dave facebook.com/Celticdreams.co.uk/

I agree with you Susan! I have watched quiet a few of these tutorials now just to get a feel for this amazing craft and so far this video is my favorite!

Thanks. TJ. Dave

Are your a jeweler? If so can I get a link???

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Thanks for watching. and for the lovely comment. Dave

Thanks, it's complicated to explain, but once you've done it , it really is quite easy. I hope I have inspired you to have go. Dave

Glad it was helpful! Dave

I hope you do. get some jump rings and have a go. its easy once you get going. good luck. Dave

Thanks for watching. Dave

Wow, I never knew anyone saw the commnents.

I reply to every single one. (1,324) If you have taken the time to write a comment or message to me, then the least i can do is to acknowledge you and try try to answer you question. note all the others. Thanks for commenting. Dave.

Glad you think so! Thanks. Dave

If you're making earrings, its a good idea to have something heavy on the bottom to pull down and keep the flipped links in place. Difficult to explain, but if you make a pair you will see what i mean. Dave

Great. Well done. I'd love to see some pics of your work. perhaps check me out on facebook see link. Dave facebook.com/Celticdreams.co.uk/

Thanks, It's important to finish the job properly. Many vids just show how to make it, but not how to finish it. Thanks for watching. Dave

Great story, thanks so much for sharing it. That's precisely the reason why I made this video, to inspire people to have go. Perhaps have a go with some silver (link below). Thanks for watching. Dave www.cooksongold.com/

Thanks for the reply, at the moment I'm finding it much easier to build it one ring at a time, the step of adding two closed to one open then adding that no problem but then threading the next ring through four rings, the fingers act like Bananas ! I bet you can do it in the dark behind your back ;-)

You do get used to it. I'd say it's also important to get good pliers (I use Tronex) and good vision. I cant work without my Optivisor. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5OAZ69j19CveJs.html

Glad it was helpful! Dave

Thanks. Dave.

That's perfectly fine, some people set out to make a tipple or even quadruple byzantine where there are 3 or four connecting rings. So I guess you stumbled across that by accident. Hence the importance of the aspect ratio, as that defines how compact the wave will be. as you see it is very important. next time, use smaller rings or thicker wire, to reduce the AR. Thanks for watching. Dave.

You're very welcome! Dave

Thank you. Both for watching and for taking the time leave such a nice comment. It's appreciated. Dave.

Just make sure you get the right size rings and away you go. It's easy once you know how. enjoy. Dave

Estupendo. Me complace que hayas podido hacer uno. Sé orgulloso y úsalo con orgullo. bien hecho. Dave

Una pregunta yo soy de México como se llama el material con la que hizo la pulsera en donde puedo conseguirlo

Glad you enjoyed it. Dave

I hope Ive inspired you to start making it again. it's a lovely chain. Dave

Great, well done. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. Dave.

muchas gracias. Me complace haber ayudado. Dave

Thanks Audrey, Your comments are much appreciated. Dave

You're very welcome! Dave

Great to hear. Difficult to explain, but as I say, easy when you know how. To tighten up the chain, either use slightly thicker wire, or a smaller mandrel. You mention a rotary drill and small saw. You must avoid those thin circular saw blades, uncovered in a Dremel - it's a lethal combination. I almost lost the end of my finger doing that. Best to saw them by hand with a jewellers saw. But steel wire is going to be tough to cut whatever you use. Enjoy. Dave.

@No-Ones Home... Wow, you did very well very quickly! 👍 I used 20 ga wire on a 6mm screwdriver/mandrel so mine was loose and somewhat difficult to thread rings to make the "V". Did you ever make a tighter one and, if so, was it easier than your 1st bracelet? Thanks for any input. Have a blessed day!

@@tammygurl64 i tried using a 2mm wire on a 5.5mm mandrel. Its quite tight... So much so, that some of the rings end up getting pulled apart (i used a dremel cuttingdisc, which takes quite a lot of the ring diameter if you Arent carefull.

Thanks for watching. I hope you have a go. Dave

Thanks. Enjoy your new skills. Dave

Thanks you. Dave

Once you get the technique it's quite simple. You can then start to make variations. Enjoy. Dave.

Pepetools jump ring maker II. See my video on it... Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aKugfsWbmd3HeHU.html

Lovely comments. Many thanks. Dave

Well thank "you|" for the lovely comments. This is why I make these videos. To help and to inspire others like yourself. So thanks for the comments, it makes all the hard work worthwhile. Byzantine looks best with a ratio of 3.5, so ensure the mandrel is 3.5 times the diameter of the wire. If you're using flush cutters to cut the rings, are you aware of the flip move with the cutters? its way of getting perfectly flush rings. See the video link below. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdJ0jc-X0tCqdKc.html

People often ask me where to buy tools. But no one ever says where they are. So I don't know what country you are in. But Pepe's site below will give you a list of dealers. Dave. pepetools.com/dealer-locator

Celtic Dreams Im from New Mexico in America. Thank you very much for your help and instructions.

Thank you Diana, for you lovely words. It's nice to be appreciated. I do plan on more chain mail videos in response to many requests. In the meantime, perhaps check out my Full persian and persian cross videos. Thanks Dave. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prh3hpOa07zcho0.html

Glad it helped! Dave

It's Easy when you know how. Thanks for watching. Dave

The chain is not called aspect ratio, the chain is called byzantine. Aspect ratio is the mathematical calculation used. To make a silver bracelet like mine. I use 1.2mm silver wire, wound on a 4mm bar This gives an aspect ratio of 3.3 which is the inside diameter 4 divided by the wire 1.2 4/1/2=3.3 Watch the beginning of the video again and hopefully you will understand what the aspect ratio means. Dave

thank you very much for your answer friend, I do not speak English, it is for that reason that I could not understand clearly, the explanation of the video, and for that reason I wanted to write to ask you my question, I appreciate very much that you have answered me, I wish you much success, thank you!

Thank for the kind words. Its appreciated. Dave

Thanks for watching. I hope you have a go, its well worth it. Dave

Not that I know of. Thanks for watching. Dave

Great! Thanks for sharing that. That's why I made the video from start to finish, including the claps. So anyone can follow along and make a finished bracelet or necklace. Enjoy !. Dave

Thanks. I hope you finally managed it. Dave

Glad to help. Dave

Thanks for watching. Over a hundred on the Chanel, so lots to keep you busy. Dave

Thanks, will do! Dave

Thanks for the lovely compliment, But I'm not Irish in any way. I come from Lancashire, North west England. And definatley have a Lancashire accent. Thanks for watching. Dave

Thanks for the comments. And good luck. Once you get going you'll be surprised how easy it is. There will be no stopping you. Dave

Thank you kindly! Dave

Thanks. glad I have inspired you. Dave

You're very welcome! Dave

Glad it was helpful! Dave

You are so welcome! Thank you. Dave

You are so welcome! Dave

It's a really beautiful chain, and easy when you know how. Good luck. Dave

Thank you for the compliments. Do have a go at the Full Persian too. Dave kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prh3hpOa07zcho0.html

Celtic Dreams will do! Thanks Dave!

Do be aware thought that using such an abrasive disc will leave a small gap in the ring (0.75mm). So when closed, the final jump ring will be slightly smaller. Probably not a great issue, but be aware when using tight ratios, as that small amount could make a difference. Thanks for watching. Dave

Wonderful! Thanks for watching and for you lovely comments. Dave

Glad it was helpful! Dave

Hola. Gracias por ver. dave

Thanks you. Dave

Hi Annette, Do have a go. The byzantine is probably one of the easiest chains to make. Hence why it's also called the "idiots delight". Anyone can do it very easily. Dave

Difficult to explain, but easy once you've got it. I hope you have a go. Dave

I find it so annoying that many people never show how to finish it. Hence why I wanted to show everything from start to finish. and explain all the theory. A long video perhaps- but hopefully well explained. Thanks for watching. Dave

Thanks. I hope you try it out, easy once you know how. Dave

Wonderful! Once you've got, you are away. There are so many variations, different colours, textures, adding longer links. etc ect Youll never get bored with it. Enjoy your new skills. Dave.

It may be difficult at first, but once you've got a few links going, its super simple. Enjoy! Dave

Thanks for watching. Dave