The short blanket analogy is brilliant. Thanks for this, it's helped me wrap my head around how this suspension feels, particularly compared to the more plush but non-adjustable Himalayan 450. Probably the best-articulated review of the 450MT suspension.

Can we talk about how he lets go of the handlebars while riding on uneven terrain?? Cool af

Local KTM dealer mentioned due to clips of 390 Adventure Enduro R being published from India, that they are invited to a meeting with KTM in a few weeks. Another local KTM dealer can only state that the 450 MT, which they themselves do not sell, is sold out and more are waiting in line and that it is the 450-600cc Adventure + Dual Sport models the market want to buy. Especially now with inflation and recession. The market in India is in demand for RC 490 Duke Enduro R , i.e. middle class bikes. But the manufacturers still don't seem to understand the market.

🤔para iniciantes no offroad, ou quem procura conforto e não quer ser piloto, a mota certa é a Honda crf300L ou a crf 300 rally. Todos querem "race specs" mas depois sentem a falta do conforto.😅 Para ter performance e conforto ao mesmo tempo é preciso adicionar €€ á equação.

Love the honesty, and yet at the seme time very useful information 👍

The video i have been waiting for! Thanks buddy!

If you want to explore the bike before buying, you are on the CORRECT channel.

When you work out a more ideal and less harsh rear shock, do let us know.

Very good point on fast vs slow riding wrt the difference in suspension feel. However, I think that the riders weight and added luggage also need to be taken into account. I believe that extra weight on the bike will make it more plush for slow riding and less good for higher speeds.

There is a crossover effect when adjusting the rebound dampening in most shocks. The rebound adjuster affects the amount of " free bleed" of fluid but also has some degree of affect on the low speed compression dampening. Mid and high speed compression dampening is regulated by the shim stack on the piston. A good suspension shop can adjust the shock internals to your preferences.

There are some suspension manufacturers that have combined adjustment for the shock that plays with both compression and rebound, so it might be the case with this bike as well. When I did a test ride on the MT450 I tried it on a pretty rocky dirt road with some "rock steps" of up to 15-20 cm, so it felt better uphill when I trow it with speed at them (comparing to my slow pace downhill when I remembered that it doesn't have crash guards and it was not my bike). Totally agree with the feeling of "short blanket" and I really hope that this will be changed with aftermarket shock with hydraulic preload and separate rebound and compression adjustments.

Amazing video! Yes I’d like to see more videos about the electronics, specially the ABS performance. Thank you so much for this series. Keep it coming!

Very thoughtful video as always, thank you

I like your analogy of the "short blanket" it really says what it means with this solution. I think it's a price "issue". For the bike's relatively low price this is a not bad option, you need to know how many clicks your suspension and shock needs for different terrain, I get that could be a challenging experiment for new riders or for those who don't have experience of that. But for it's price, I would say, I can take that, and after warranty change the rear shock,(or during warranty if you know what you are doing) :D I would say that yeah, it's definetely a not good option but not a bad one. I still appreciate your honesty for your audience! keep up the good work! Cheers.

Great video Diogo. Very comprehensive.

I am 75 kg in street clothing. I have ended up with very similar settings as you have. I do believe that the front springs for my weight and non aggressive riding are too stiff for the comfy ride. I also feel that the rear rebound adjuster has some sort of combined function as the compression function also increases.

I'm a very heavy rider, I know I will have to set suspensions to my weight as I have to on the T7! Your video is really useful. Thank you! ✌️from France

Caro Guerra... Sempre um prazer ver um vídeo teu. Abraço

Good morning from Coastal Nor-Cal Diogo. 👋 Interesting observations on the MT's suspension. There are similarities to the way my Tenere 700 came set up. Too stiff. which my lower back didn't like. The MT certainly is a good looking bike and you handled it well in the wild terrain going slow.

Great explanation!!

Totalmente de acuerdo contigo, de hecho he configurado las suspensiones prácticamente como tu y antes de ver tu video. Saludos y gracias!

The manual doesn't say that the rebound settings also affect the compression. But I don't have full trust in them being accurate.

this hard kick of the front when you hit transverse obstacles in slow speeds, I believe it will decrease when you worked the springs a little bit more. It's fairly new.

great video Diogo. where are these roads you rode on?

Thank you for this video. You have some great skills not only for riding but also presentation. For now I stick to my Voge 300 Rally, and wont have to think about maybe a MotoCF 450. At 71 I want to limit the amount of risk I take a few notches.

Thank you ❤❤❤

Thank you!! Very thorough and easy to udnerstand review!! Lovely off-road riding area as well! Voce mora em Portugal?

Hey Diogo, thank you for the video, what's the fork and shock settings your currently using on your 450mt?

Superb content, thank you for sharing thoughts. Could you compare it with XT660R's stock suspension?

Já conhecia amortecedores sem afinação do rebound ( Norden 901 ) mas sem afinação de compressão não, assim fica muito difícil afinar a traseira só com a pré carga da mola. Eu na Tenere fiz ao contrário de todos os experts do KZfaq e fóruns que dizem que temos de aumentar ao máximo 😂, eu tirei pré carga da mola uns 3 ou 4 cliques e aumentei a compressão. Na frente limitei-me a aumentar a compressão porque me incomoda o afundar da frente nas travagens fortes, de resto é confortável a baixa velocidade e dá para passar a voar baixinho por tudo o que seja estilo Dakar que a mota nunca perde compostura . A experiência que tenho de amortecedor é mínimo de mola possível, talvez seja por teres sentido necessidade de meter carga nisso que sentes a mota a bater seco . Sem te querer ensinar nada, já que achas ( e bem ) que o afinador do rebound também afina a compressão, experimenta tirar 2 ou 3 cliques na mola e vai aumentando o rebound / compressão até ficares satisfeito. Se não der aumenta um clique na mola e recomeça. É o que eu faria, a Tenere com a afinação de mola de origem quase me partia as costas cada vez que passava numa lomba. Agora ficou ótima e não afunda nem fica a balançar nos saltitos que dou😂

This video is honestly great. I'm getting a brand new 450MT next week (waiting for customs clearance) and after watching this, I will certainly check the suspension after a few days. I also own a 450 CL-C (the Bobber of the 450 family) and the experience with the suspension has been similar to what you explain: I had to wait for a couple of days for it to self adjust (a little slower than other bikes I've owned) and then adjust. The rear shock was stif as hell the first two days, but after 300 or 400 km, it settled and now is super comfortable. Thanks for sharing! +1 new sub.

I get what you're asking for, a suspension that is great for every stage of travel. I'm not sure if its possible to build that for a motorcycle, but I know that the Chinese just built that for a car. Basically a digital air suspension that is so fast that it can react to the surface with motors before the shock reaches the chassi.

What you describe is typical too much low speed compression. Shouldnt be too hard to just take off a shim or 2. I went from 6 to 3 low speed shims on each fork on a drz. Since you mentioned already playing with revalve it may be an unsolvable stiction. I went through that with a gpx. The forks required a bit of force to just start moving, bad coating/design from the factory(not the seals). Made little bumps feel like jackhammer.

Thanks 😮

Most helpful, what setting would you suggest for someone weighing 85 kg. I am also planing to lower the height would that make impact my suspension settings?

Excellent review of the suspension- everything you say makes complete sense and makes me think with time someone will come up with settings for most riders. I’ll take my bike to my local suspension expert and get him to set it up for me. Though trying to get the perfect suspension set up for every terrain on one bike is nigh on impossible, so if I can get close for off and on road I’ll be happy. Each time I see this bike tested I’m left thinking it looks and goes like the unicorn.

Your rear spring-rate observations sound like my KTM 390 Adventure; -18 clicks rear rebound and 0 preload and -32 clicks fork compression, -31 clicks fork rebound yields comfort (for me @ 225 pounds in 'space suit'). One can't get twin-cylinder smoothness and 59 inch wheelbase directional stability without WEIGHT ? In other words, "weight MATTERS"?

Did you change the fork oil to a lightr weight to make the suspension more compliant?

Para o OffRoad, as suspensões e o pneus são fundamentais. A 450MT pelo valor que está a ser comercializada, deixa margem para um UpGrade nessas suspensões 😊

Thanks for the explanation of why you don't recommend it for beginner riders. if on your adventures, you ever come by the sierra de Aracena Spain you are most welcome to come by my small hotel and have a drink on the house.

Mais uma vez, quando se sabe do que se tá a falar deste lado dá gozo aprender. Mais um excelente video ✌✌

Thanks Diogo. What's the latest you've found on fuel economy... pushing on the trail and cruising the street?

I don't know a heck of alot about suspension. But would going with a lighter weight oil make the shock more plush? Maybe it will make the damping adjusters function better too. I don't know. I love cheap fixes! haha

Ciao Seguo molto i tuoi video e li trovo molto interessanti e onesti. Abbiamo gli stessi gusti in fatto di moto.Adesso ho comprato anche io un 450 MT. Condivido ciò che dici sulle sospensioni. All' anteriore ho regolato allentando di 2 giri il precarico molla e ho regolato il ritorno con +3 click. Per il posteriore però non sono d'accordo. Ho allentato completamente il precarico molla e ho quasi completamente chiuso l'idraulica in ritorno lasciando solo 4 click da tutto chiuso. Chiaramente fai come vuoi ,il mio è solo un consiglio ,ma se dovessi provarlo fammi sapere come ti trovi.

you should upload a video of riding "hard" offroad on moderate/hard terrain. I'm curious to know your input.

Hello, how much does it reduce the preload on the fork? Thank you

i have the same bike and I felt what you said about the rear spring being too soft, may I ask how many clicks you would recommend me to switch on both the rear and the front supensions Sr,? I weight 90 kilograms or about 200 pounds

So maybe a softer progressively wound spring perhaps?

How do you maintain speed if you ket go of the throttle? Do you ou have cruise control?

Hi Diogo, just a a reference point how much do you weigh? I very tempted to go to my local dealer for a test ride soon.

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Hows the power compared to XT660? Do you miss it? I see that suspension should feel superior compared to stock XT? I am experienced enduro rider and I feel that XT suspension is awful. I have come to accept them as they are because it would cost 1.5k atleast to upgrade them. But that basically turns the cost as same as that 450MT.

Do you think it’ll be a good trade if I traded in my 2017 690 enduro for this when it releases in US?

The 450 MT is an awesome cheap bike when you see the equipment and general quality. So it has 200 mm cheap suspensions with simple fork springs and a cheap rear suspension, very good for the price but we always want the best. It's always a problem of compromise cost/effectiveness, on trail bikes the problem is harder to solve as nowadays very few accept to have a front suspension going down at each braking. Normally It's the price to pay to get plush comfortable suspensions off road. That you describe is probably a problem with the fork springs which maybe need to be progressive and adjusted to the weight of the rider so the hydraulic settings will work. On some very good forks you could have progressive springs, or 2 different springs and even air springs (lightly compressed air in the fork). Except motocross air in the fork is now pretty rare, but progressive springs are rather affordable. For the rear shock a solution is to ask a specialized company to rebuild the shock, improving the hydraulics, and sometimes put a new spring. Generally it's far cheaper than to buy a new shock. It's almost always a good enough solution. I've always used the service of a specialist for modifying if needed and tuning my suspensions. They have plenty of experience, having tuned plenty of bikes, and have a knowledge about suspensions we can't even guess. Having the good tooling, it's a breeze for them.

Na minha (pouca) experiência ou tens um setup de conforto ou de velocidade. Consegues ter algo mais abrangente se tiveres mais curso ou ajustes eletrónicos. Aquilo que referes é uma boa observação, mas diria que é feitio e não defeito.

Any thoughts on the 450 MT compared to the 701 ?

cool, mine is too harsh for my weight.

Man, in your opinion, what bike is better? Himalayan 450 or MT 450?

I am 85kg and I had to fully preload the front for the 6cm… is something wrong?

Is cfmoto 450mt more capable on and off road than ktm 390 adventure?

41mm fork diameter is a bit of a shame, it will flex a little too much and will also be aiding this narrow window of 'getting it right' - better aftermarket valving will assist the slow speed plushness but the 1st thing to get right is the spring rate front and rear, it needs to be correct for you - -if the spring is too high and you are lightweight you will never get slow speed plushness - the reason it feels plush at high speed is because you are pushing through the top 'trail' area of the fork maybe play with the rebound a little more, slow it down to assist the plush feel - rebound always interacts with compression by the way - the 2 circuits are not 100% independent

Hola Diogo. Gracias por tus videos de cf450mt. Tengo una XT660 R con 125mil km y mucho off. Quiero canviar mi moto por una trail ligera,no necesito muchos cv y cf 450mt me esta enamorando. Probé Aprilia tuareg de un amigo y vi lo bien que se puede ir con una buena supension. Del 1 al 10.... ¿Es mucho mejor la 450mt que la XT 660 tema suspension...y cuanto le falta para parecerse a la Aprilia Tuareg😅? ¿Y de motor se queda muy corta?...son 44NM vs 60NM. Mi peso 120kg y voy alegre por lo marron...se quedara justa....o al contrario trabajará bien

So how much you wiegh? And how tall are you?

So you do get what you pay for. You said this bike is not for a beginner, what about a seasoned road rider who is looking to get into ADV like me? I wanna try something different and this bike is under 10K AUD here in Australia.

Whats your weight man ? I am 110 kg

Offroad , offcourse

Pogressive springs Plush for low speed, getting stiffer when you ride more aggressive... the best of two worlds and less expensive than compleet cartridges or even compleet forks

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