The "Kim" sur/name is usually a Korean last name, meaning that the lore is even darker because it implies that the US Government rounded up not only the Chinese Americans, but anyone who looked Chinese, regardless of their true heritage and ethnicity

You know, even after nearly 400 hours with this game, I don't think ive spent more the 15 minutes in the Natick area.

I like how in post-war America racism against other humans isn't seen. Like towns, villages, and tribes are made up of various ethnicities and all can still have high standings in their societies like Colonel Hsu in the NCR who is Chinese American. But it's because the racism instead shifted towards ghouls, mutants, and synths

theres also an internment camp in the fallout 3 dlc Point Lookout "Turtledove Detention Camp (or Camp Turtledove) is a military prison camp. During the Sino-American War, this camp was used to detain suspected Chinese spies or saboteurs who were allegedly working against the USA. Prisoners were kept in abysmal conditions."

"Nuclear fire that rained down upon the just and unjust equally." That's a good line.

There is one thing you forgot, in the south Boston check point their is a terminal entry about US solders detaining the Wu family after a minor misunderstanding

The Enclave springing from the US government makes a lot more sense now.

Sounds like a reflection of Japanese interment camp’s from WWII. Seeing as the Fallout culture hasn’t advanced past that era, I’m not surprised.

I mean, sure, baseball *is* played in the wasteland! With *SWATTAS!*

fallout 3 had turtledove detention center a concentration camp for Chinese civilians and a prison for spies. one of the morgue drawers was even labeled wu. probably not song wu though

I remember reading "Anne Franke: The Diary of a Young Girl," in School, and it broke my heart. It really grinds my gears when people claim that what they're doing is "For the greater good," when what they're doing is inhumane and cruel!

I always felt Kim Wu was a little girl. Wiki confirms my feels.

If Fallout Pre-Bomb drop lore tells us anything in the Fallout games, it's that the American government became pretty brutal as world tensions rose. They executed trouble makers when they annexed canada, they rounded up Chinese Americans and shipped them off, and their raids in the chinese homeland were ruthless.

The only little tidbit you left out was that description on the loading screen that says the Yao Gui were named by the descendants of the survivors of the chinese internment camps (or something like that).

When I lived among the Japanese community in Hawaii, I learned that when the war started the state knew what was coming (with the large, Japanese community there), did an actual risk assessment and interred one person. Then when the internment orders came through, they said that they'd already taken care of it. As for Anne Frank's diary, it was that and the changes leading up to it that told me a year ago that it was time to leave the United States a year ago. I didn't believe things would get as bad as they have done in the last year but then, neither did Anne's parents.

Hey I actually live in a small town in Texas called mexia with old Asian-american concentration camp apartments they are now called "the state school" which houses inmates that are declared "criminally insane" (the facilitators are not at all reputable and are looked down upon by the community).

I wish Canada and Mexico was explored more, they are Americas neighbours.

People wish to see a fallout game set in China, but I think it would be better suited for a dlc. Fallout us so heavily tied to the U.S that a whole game in China wouldn't be a Fallout game, so many things would have to change. No power armor No robots No Vaults (as we know them) No Vault Boy No bottle caps No Nuka-Cola No Fat-Man When you think of Fallout you think of these things. That's why China should just be a dlc.

The Town of Natick is Actually pronounced Nay-Tick. I live in that town lol

10:00 Detective sleuth over here trying to repair the skeleton

The way you labeled each place to explore was pretty awesome.

I put 300 hours in this game and somehow I still haven't seen everything Oxhorn makes videos on.

I've read Anne frank and the story causes a cold shiver to go down my spine

What is more American than baseball? Football, cheeseburgers,and misusing nuclear weapons.

in the old world blues DLC for New Vegas there's a Chinese interment camp where they kept Chinese people to use for their experiments. it even has some ghouls that used to be Chinese Americans that were being held in the camp. the location is called "Little Yangtze"

Kim Wu's parents are detained their names are Michael Wu and Jennifer Wu

despite all the things left unfinished in the game ( gunners faction and underwater aspect for ex) i really gotta tip my hat to the team, they really do try to provide a immersive lore experience. makes me wonder what they could have accomplished given another year.

I really got to admire the lore that the devs put into this game, it all is quite sad and hits hard when you play through it all.

Fallout 4 is darker than I thought :/

Imo better than the shoddycast

I like to think that young Kim and his family turned into supermutants then came back and ate their antagonists.

I really wanna play fallout before the nuclear war. Like a day in a life of a normal U.S citizen in 2077 like the beginning of the game.

United COMMONWEALTHS of America (yes I'm a lore nerd)

If you like hunting Deathclaws Natick is the place to be, just keep making your way towards the power plant and you should run into five or six Deathclaws and one Behemoth at the power station.

This story made me shed tears, and i barely cry. Even if its a game, thats still a really heartbreaking story

Kim Wu is actually a female saying on the wiki

Idk. I find it so much immersive and entertaining when you explain the stories rather than me playing it :/ .... weird me.

I thought Kim was a Korean name rather than a Chinese name?

Thank you for mentioning the Japanese concentration camps, it's important we learn from the mistakes of history, a key theme in the Fallout games.

Man, this story is heartbreaking. And you, Ox, told the story so well!

Playing red menace, *Very Dishonourable*

WWIII only lasted 2 hours

I've been going thru your videos a helluva lot. They've gotten me to play FO4 more, so I must say: Thank you, Oxhorn. Thank you for this hard and rewarding work.

I reckon the 2nd to last entry was about a riot, because Natick was so close to the bomb that they wouldn't of survived in the attic due to radiation. the people entering the house were probably just rioters checking there was no one left

no one suffers more in war then children.

Thank you for making this video Ox. Thank you for telling this sad story, I'm sure that this video must have been hard to make. And because of that I thank you.

this is your best content for me, so many times i"ve ran through these games for countless mindless hours looking for loot and kills and exp and not paying any attention to the deepest parts of this game, very good work and enjoyable content!

For future reference, Natick is pronounced Nay-tick

You've turned me into the biggest lore nerd. Love your informative commentaries so much.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and here the good men who could see what was happening simply turned there heads. I almost want to see a future Fallout game show a concentration camp where after the bombs dropped the unaffected prisoners and those who became non-feral ghouls forged a lasting settlement that the player can still visit and even live in. Wouldn't that be great way to spit in the government of the pre-war days eye as well as a good way to show a more positive message showing that there is perhaps hope after the war for everyone

Not sure if it's related, but just found something in the game which reminded me of this. There is a location in the game called 'S Boston Military Checkpoint' almost exactly east of 'Big Johns Salvage'. Inside a small metal structure is a terminal, if you read this terminal it contains a log of vehicles they stopped... including one belonging to the Wu family. The entry details how the family were acting and what they did to them.

I'm chinese and this touches my heart

I'm as cold-hearted as a daed fish pretty much, and I wouldn't want it any way other, but holy crap. That way you can tell these stories, especially the really dark chapters. This one here, the story of Arlen Glass or the mayoral shelter...they move something in me. There are not many people in the world that can claim to have achieved that.

There's this whole story my grandma told me about my great grandparents being in an internment camp.

love your videos dude, this has been one of my favourites, keep up the good work

The interesting thing about the Kim Wu terminal entries is that they imply that there should be a hidden room under the house. Kim specifically mentions that the tv playing the world series is upstairs. There's one tv in the house and it's on the ground floor. However, exploring the location, I couldn't find a hidden room or cellar. Wondering if it got cut from the game? For what it's worth, I'm also pretty sure Kim is a girl. Everyone else mentioned in the terminal entries has a western given name except (possibly) Song. Wu is a common Chinese surname, but the name Kim isn't Chinese- it's Korean. Additionally, it's a Korean surname rather than a Korean given name. Given that the subtext of the entries is that Kim is as American as anybody else and that internment is wrong, I think it's fair to assume that Kim's family would write their names like most Americans, given name first. American Kim Wu is probably a girl.

It's pronounced Nay Tick - Someone from Massachusetts

In Fallout: New Vegas there is an internment camp in big Mountain. i didn't explore it too much, as I was running low on ammo and only had a few weak weapons, and there were more Ghouls there than I cared to fight, but if anyone reading this did bother to explore it, was there anything of interest there?

At the S. Boston Military Checkpoints there was an entry about a Wu family. The son has a different name but it could still have a link. Possibly they changed their names for protection etc. This is what was logged in the terminal; Date: 11 Oct 2077 Subject: Wu, Michael and Jennifer (wife), son George Status: Detained Notes: Subjects displayed suspicious behavior, resulting in a full inspection, including dismantling the vehicle. Despite a lack of contraband and a full apology from the inspection lead, the subjects began acting aggressively, including yelling at soldiers in a foreign language (most likely Chinese). Subjects were detained and Military Police was contacted in accordance with the field manual.

i’ve been watching your Fallout 4 videos lately (i don’t even play it) but you have made the game a bit more interesting to me! you’re amazing at telling these stories. great job!

at around 14:00 I'm fairly sure we've already seen what happened to many of these people in previous Fallout games. For instance in Fallout 3 there was a truck on a stretch of elevated highway in the Northwest of the Capital Wasteland not that far from the big satcom dishes that was carrying "chinese dissidents". If memory serves me right the orders for transportation made it clear that lethal force was authorised. Considering the number of corpses in the trailer, i'd say once the bombs dropped the Military Police driving these people shot them out of hand. I think there was also concentration camps in the DLC for Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Point Lookout and Old World Blues concentration camps being for dissidents and suspected enemy agents and scientific experimentation respectively. There were also active, if Ghoulified, Chinese infiltrators at the Mama Dolce food processing plant in the Capital Wasteland, and a number of dead such infiltrators dotted around the Capital Wasteland in sewers, relay towers and possibly even in Fort Constantine, depending on how you explain some of the skeletons, discarded Chinese weapons in parts of the buildings there. Not that the Chinese themselves treated any potential agents that well either, as you can find out while tracing the steps of one such agent in the Point Lookout DLC.

The theme of pre-war fallout is desperate times call for desperate measures.

Oxhorn, your way with words is beautiful!! Love listening to you talk :)

10:23 wow, the background music and the way you are describing it makes me cry 💔

This reminded me what US goverment did to Japanese-Americans during WW2.

At 10:00 did you just try to give the body's head back xD

I'm so grateful for your videos I've played hours upon hours of fallout and there is still so much I haven't found in game

Ten minutes in and now I've got the old "Baseball! Hot dogs! Apple pie and Chevrolet" jingle stuck in my head. Thanks, Ox!

fallout 4 and other games similar can really show you how dark and evil humans can be, at times it makes you wonder if this world is worth saving

I've always been curious how that skeleton just hangs...intact.

You are a great youtuber and I love your videos ! You put so much effort into them.

I watch all your videos, and I think this is my top 10 favorite. That town confused me so much, and I actually went out looking for the family's skeletons, to no avail. Probably a good thing. I know it's just a game, but it's true to some parts of life in our world. Such a sad story!

I see what Bethesda was doing with Kim's diary.

Could've picked a more light-hearted topic for April Fools but I guess children being hunted by a racist government will have to do.

There is one internment camp in fallout that I remember, it was in new vegas in the old world blues DLC in Big mountain.

one thing im not sure if you found but at the south boston military checkpoint theres an entry about the military detaining the Wu family. Specifically a Michael, Jennifer (wife) and george Wu (son) as it states in the terminal. something i found while searching that area and hearing this in the background

There is a a prison camp for Chinese people in New Vegas in the dlc old world blues.

You should do a video on pre-war america and how it looks very picturesque but is really a dystopia.

Oxhorn, I haven’t watch you ever before five days ago and I haven’t watching anything since lol sir you are a poet. Your words can serenade sirens. Thank you, Sir.

You find the end of the With story at one of the military check points. The terminal inside the trailer explains the rest. I won't spoil but this video filled in the apartment gap for me. Thanks.

In my mind I pictured Kim Wu as Dam Son.

13:38 Actually Reagan never apologized to Japanese-Americans for their internment. I remember this because I'm SO DAMNED OLD. Anyway, G. H. W. Bush and Clinton did send letters of apology but Reagan never did. Reagan signed the legislation that gave the first official apology from the U.S. gov't (and reparations), but it was a Congressional apology that was given at that time; like I said, Bush I was the first president to apologize. Reagan was actually against the legislation and his Justice Department fought the effort to overturn the original United States Supreme Court decisions upholding the legality of the internment because he didn't want a precedent of reparation payments to be made during his presidency (and no reparations were paid until he was out of office). Reagan did call the internment a "grave wrong", and a "mistake", though, so he admitted that it was basically wrong, but he believed that "it's not for us today to pass judgment upon those who may have made mistakes while engaged in that great struggle." (referring to WWII) So--no apology. At the signing ceremony for the legislation, Reagan showed how much like Trump he was by relating an anecdote about a 1945 ceremony honoring a Japanese-American soldier named Kazuo Matsuda (whose name of course he mispronounced) who was KIA in Europe while his family was interned back in the U.S., talking about a speech HE had made at the ceremony. P.S. In Oxhorn's defense, the 'apple pie' comment was obviously referring to the phrase "As American as Mom, Baseball, and Apple Pie". Do all of you millennials really not know that phrase (or just trolling?) However, the pronunciation of Natick is rightly condemned. Anyway, sorry to be nitpicking, I actually enjoy the videos and appreciate the effort that goes into them, which is probably why the inaccuracies tend to be so irritating. Thanks

Hey Ox, there's a location near the treasure quest place and it's a military security thing with gunners in it. You find the Wu family was detained.

omg oxhorn i love your theory and your speechs they're very touching and i love them this video was so good that i started crying during your explanation on the japanese american child

+20 points for using "hanged" correctly.

I love one of your questions that you asked At the end of the video. That is; if we'll get to see more of this in future fallout titles. It is funny to me because when I first played fallout 4 one of the first complaints made to a friend was that I wanted to all the hysteria that happened before the bombs dropped. I think Bethesda really missed out on some opportunities to slow what life was really like. I wanted to see the Asian-Americans rounded up; the government/military taking power or even doomsday preppers raiding super duper marts. A better opening for me in fallout 4 would be walking around Boston or even Lexington and seeing all this madness unfold after returning from the military and before returning home to see the family. Or maybe even have one of these concentration camps in game and have the sole-survivor come here and have unique dialogue about it. Either way Fallout's America was an ugly America and one if really like to explore in future titles for sure. That way I can better understand why even after 200 years people prefer to live like it's the old wild wild West.

I 've been watching these fallout lore videos for a couple months ago and I love them they are so interesting

I don't know if you missed this detail but if you go to the South Boston army checkpoint (there's radio that guides you to it) there's a two terminals both with entries of the Wu family I think it indicates what happened to them next

Ox I love your videos but the lighting you have on the power armor makes it very hard to see anything on the screen.

"as former friends are watching, as they are rounded up one by one, times of persecution just begun!"

I always found the most interesting part of the lore and most mysterious was the side of the Chinese. I was a bit disappointed seeing so much interesting lore removed from 4 but thanks for finding this, at least it wasnt forgotten.

Man, Ox... how the hell do you find these out of the way, unmarked, half destroyed locations?? Whatever it is, keep making videos of them. Love the additional lore content!

Dang. I cried.

3:24 #Mr.Pebbles First cat in space

Man, the amount of depth and lore bethesda put into fallout 4 is just astonishing, you can really tell they worked hard on this game, bethesda didnt have to put this into the game but they did, it really adds a lot of backstory of what happened pre war

The event in this story is similar to the one in the book Hotel on the corner of bitter and sweet on how the Japanese Americans were treated in World War II and we're sent to internment camps during the war.

Kim Woo sounds like a Korean name... my guess is that the U.S. Government rounded up not only Chinese Americans, but also anyone who looked Asian... maybe I'm wrong. But it wouldn't surprise me if that happened.

I feel bad for Kim... He never made it to the best Korea.

Walked right past this and didn't know it. Thanks again Oxhorn

Wow..this story really got me. It's so tragic and sad.