It’s cool to watch the old fights on KZfaq

I remember watching something on this. Family wasn't happy of how he was portrayed, but... Does help the movie. 🤷

Yes. It's another case of Hollywood needing an antagonist. I guess the Great Depression itself was too abstract to be an antagonist.,

I remember my mother telling me about Max Baer; called him the "big brute". I think she said the Baer on the Beverly Hillbillies was Max's son/grandson.

@@koncaswatch8726 Son, Max Baer Jr

He's an amazing actor.

Never falls to make me cry ugly tears.

Likewise with me as one of my favorite scenes from this movie also the scene where the wives talked about how hard the husbands feeling like they're failing their families during the time of the Great Depression

There are several scenes in this movie like that. Perfectly written acted and filmed.

​@@jasongarcia1886 where he promises his son he'll never send him away is a tough one too. And of course there's "Remember who you are......."

and the way he is on the verge of tears at how humiliated he is telling joe hes sorry and joes like "what the hell do you have to be sorry about"

The showboat part was pretty true, the callous part was not. If you go back and watch the films his in ring antics were bizarre, he played to the crowd in a way I've never seen since Ali.

You have to admit though, his son is kind of biased. I'm not saying he's lying. But there are always 2 sides to every story. More often than not, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

No man is either good or bad. A man does good things and bad things. He never believes he's doing bad, even when he knows he is. He never believes he's done good, even though everyone says so. Only God can judge the worth of a man. Weighing the good and bad, alone knowing the difference.

@@jeremybr2020 He wasn't lying, there are tons of biographies and film on this, Baer was a good man and this movie libeled him. The only part they got right was his crazy in ring antics, film from the time backs this up.

@@jethro1963

Yeah, Baer was not nearly the bad guy he was shown as in this movie. He was extremely regretful over Campbell's death. But the movie is still wonderful. It just kind of sucks that Baer is the villain. But damn, he was a GOOD villain, lol.

Yeah. The family wasn't happy with Max Baer's portrayal in this movie.

Then Jethro punched Victoria Principal.

Yeah this is yet another situation where the "Hollywoodization" of a true story can leave necessary details out. It wasn't until I read the book that I realized that Baer wasn't this evil villain

Just from doing a quick search, Baer was really a showman and did a low of clowning against Braddock in the ring. The movie doesn't explore him more deeply than that, but it does show him being respectful after the fight, which implies that his public persona was an act to create hype. Which is basically how boxing has worked ever since. I don't see any mention of groin shots though. If they made that up, that was unnecessary.

I also made a comment thanking her for that story and expressing my sympathy (and relevant empathy)- I can relate to the uncertainty of a potential "mystery" illness... both firsthand and secondhand: The following stories are to make anyone reading this aware (if you/they are not already) that: 1) There are other microbes that can cause a serious sore throat besides strep throat or "viruses that go away on their own", some of which are lesser-known by most doctors, and: 2) There are differences in how much doctors are actually willing to do necessary detective work for such cases. For one example, there was a TRUE story on a TV series about a college girl's throat infection that keep getting tested negative for strep throat and mono (and brushed off) for WEEKS on end... until it turned into a BRAIN ABSCESS. It turned out that a common, NORMAL, usually harmless symbiotic gut bacteria had opportunistically migrated to her throat... and then to her brain. The problem was, tests for that species apparently are not that common, so until she ended up in the ICU, no doctors wanted to do any "work" or "thinking" to track it down (and hence get an appropriate treatment.). Examples like that make me SO so angry. I also learned about yet another example the hard way... ...I had a [mouth] "mystery infection" that medical professionals REFUSED to even do tests for or diagnose (for SOME reason!) EVEN THOUGH I had (at the TIME, temporarily only for a few months) "good health insurance". Even though my visits weren't "working", I kept trying new ones, two primary cares, two different urgent cares, 2 weeks later an oral surgeon... NONE of which did ANYthing helpful. But given the fast-progressing and scary symptoms, I did NOT "twiddle my thumbs" for those two weeks while waiting for that oral surgeon (or waiting potentially until it got so bad that I might have ended up in the ICU in the hospital)... I actually have a background in biology (and microbiology) which helped the following, but that is ALSO when I taught myself how to use reliable sources such as SCHOLAR.google.com (which ONLY pulls up research papers) to try to find any legitimate scientific studies on potential ACCESSIBLE (i.e. without relying on a doctor to give me a prescription) substances (such as [the yes-controversial] colloidal silver, oregano oil, Manuka honey, etc) that may be effectively antimicrobial against whatever-I-had... even if I did not know exactly what species of microbe that I MIGHT have. Because of the lack of "practical" detail in the existing studies I did find... I had to GUESS at dosages and timing of the substances I threw at that apparent microbe attacking me... making sure to keep the doses JUST barely under the limit of being potentially unsafe. Coincidentally (OR I am guessing probably NOT-so-coincidentally), by the time my 2-week-later oral surgeon appointment rolled around, the symptoms were completely gone. I STILL WENT TO MY APPOINTMENT though (even though it cost me $50 out of pocket with insurance, and I STILL would have gone even if I hadn't had insurance which may have been around $500)... and you may ask WHY? Why would I still go (especially IF I had had to spend $500)? My answer is... I knew I should get the actual species of microbe properly diagnosed (while I DO have a microbiology background myself, it's not "THAT" good)... especially if it was something that could lie latent and come back later with a vengeance. I had taken notes AND digital photos of the symptoms, so I DID have something to show the oral surgeon. But when he looked at the data, the MOST he could say is "It looks like there was something immune going on." SO... NO diagnosis, NO answer... for $50 (OR the SAME lack of result would have occurred for $500 if I hadn't even had insurance!). And some people wonder why some people end up being skeptical and mistrustful of the medical industry... if they had experiences like this, they wouldn't wonder anymore... So I kept a TWO-MONTH-LATER appointment with a DIFFERENT primary care doctor with a really good "detective style" reputation... who was a 2-hour drive away (and yes, I DID make that appointment when the symptoms FIRST started, but again, I was not about to "twiddle my thumbs" while waiting and letting myself risk ending up being in the ICU)... When I went to THAT appointment, and showed her all the data... SHE actually at least made two hypotheses regarding bacterial species it could have been. One of which was relatively common, but the OTHER of which was... Tularemia. Tularemia, as I researched later, can have a 30% MORTALITY RATE. So... was I taking stupid risks for taking the "controversial" colloidal silver? In MY opinion, I think "no", but I do also believe when it comes to risks and unknowns, everyone is entitled to their own opinion since it's your own life. Like I said in a different post, everyone has different risk tolerances for different types of risks. Colloidal silver IS a heavy metal and DOES have its risks. But SO DOES Tularemia, especially when there is TOTAL LACK OF MEDICAL HELP (as my above story showed is possible) DESPITE my desperate pleas. As it turned out, I did ask [the new doctor] if I [still] needed treatment and she said no, not if my symptoms were gone. But again, I am glad I went and found out what it likely was, because if it was a different microbe, I very well could have still needed treatment. I did carry around the question in my head of "Am I being overdramatic when I tell people that I could have died from that likely-Tularemia infection?" My answer to myself got narrowed down when an acquaintance of mine told me their OWN story... ...they had a young, toddler cousin... who DIED of some sort of infection EVEN THOUGH they had sought medical attention RIGHT AWAY (yes, he STILL DIED BEFORE the medical professionals DIAGNOSED him... and actually he apparently NEVER got diagnosed). AFTER his DEATH, according to my acquaintance, the doctors (or coroner, I don't remember) said IT COULD HAVE BEEN TULAREMIA. The phrase "could have" told me that for SOME reason, they did not either do a diagnosis OR autopsy. So... another mystery... one that unfortunately took someone's life, and far too young of course :( I'm sure these are hard stories to hear (AND for me to tell, trust me)... but I really do think it's necessary to be aware of what CAN happen, especially when it comes to things we believe "should or shouldn't" happen (like doctors doing PROPER diagnoses or even TRYING to). ALSO... it raises awareness of the dire nature of the phenomenon of SOME entities wanting to BAN and outlaw accessible, "natural" / herbal supplements (like oregano oil and colloidal silver)... which, if those WERE banned, I do not think I would be alive today!!!

Gotta tuff these coming generations up lots of kids are soft and that’s what the communists wants .

Amazing, I thought of Sea Biscuit as well!

I agree..Cassie would love Seabiscuit...they are the best Depression movies... I keep telling her Midway too...which is way underrated...

Both amazing movies. I NEED to see these two react to Seabiscuit.

I completely agree, Seabiscuit is an amazing film and so is Pharlap.

Try The Grapes of Wrath as well.

Thank you so much for the kind words

The true story, very well told. Thank you

Seabiscuit 2003 is another great true story movie set in about the same period .

@@konablue2459 I've been using that Shakespeare line to describe my crazy daughter. "Though she be little, she is fierce!!" I definitely second this nomination.

@@konablue2459 That’s another one that I can’t stop cutting onions. I love that movie

That's historically accurate too. He took an absolutely devastating right hand from Lasky and his mouthpiece did go flying and he smiled back at him. It was at that moment, after hitting Braddock with his best punch, Lasky knew he wasn't going to put Braddock away and crumbled.

"i know what im fighting for now"/ "whats that jimmy?"/ "milk"

I noticed that too and knew immediately this is personal and has got a backstory. Especially the cough sound triggered a reflex out of her. But it's more than understandable of course.

You have to see Million Dollar Baby. It's very good and one of Hillary Swans best roles.

💖💖💖💖

Oh man, I'm so sorry for your terrible loss. You've really been through it. 💔 I hope things are going better for you now. ❤

Thank you for being so honest and sharing that story about your family. I am so happy that God bless you and brought your children back to health. Was a great movie. You seem like you are a great mom and I’m sure that your husband is a great father. God bless you and your family and friends. Duane.

Yup, my dad was born in 1926, he said he was known as "The Peoples Champ". He loved watching it before he passed away in 2011.

Condolences for your dad. My own passed just over a year ago. I had watched this with him a year after it came out in theaters. The only movie I ever knew to make him cry.

​@@MrRondonmon If you smell what Braddock is cooking.

Guys like him, like your father, are what made this country into the superpower of the earth. The 2008 crash was rough enough for me, but to endure what happened in 1929 going forward….true grit. My sincere condolences for your loss there sir.

I hope your babies get to go home very soon and are soon healthy & happy and able to visit everyone who can't be there right now. Being away from family at times like that makes it so much harder!! My son was in the hospital years ago after his birth. That was before cell phones were common, so it made it so hard to not have that family net of love & care readily available even if only to give a phone shoulder to cry on.

Praying for you and your family! 💗🥺

Best of luck to your family 🙏👍🤞

Yup... with a movie based on a true story, it can ALWAYS "go the other way." I encourage you to check out "Into the Wild" (that's ALSO based on a true story, and while I was watching it, I had forgotten the fact at some point during the movie...!)

Yeah I think Marvel kind of took over the market and movies like this stopped getting the budgets they need. Kind of a bummer. People, and kids as well, need real stories about real people.

I SECOND THIS RECOMMENDATION! Great film!

I third this recommendation!

My great-grandfather owned 11 gas stations at the start of the Great Depression. He lost them all, as well as all the money he had in the stock market. Eventually he was selling apples/pears/tomatoes on the street. My grandparents were kids during the depression and said they often had little food, no electric. Eventually things got a little better during WW2. They always seemed very appreciative of the little things in life as older people. I hope things get better for you as well.

Thank you for posting this SPD

So sorry to hear that. Our government fucked a lot of us during the pandemic.

The fact you believe in God is all I need to know. I pray Jesus blesses you and your loved ones.

Awesome Post, Sir

Well in the 30's the narratives of the Feminist movement hadn't broken up the nuclear family couple of gender roles relationship yet with the claim that men aren't dedicated providers. Men faced hardships just to provide not just during the Depression but all across most of history before the advent of labor unions, minimum wage, max allowed working hours, and work safety conditions but still supposedly according Feminism men through all that were undedicated to their gender role.

Way different world today some good some bad what should never be lost is family values and morals .

@@frankcastle9991 You have to have a culture/society based around Families to claim to hold family values and morals. The only thing our nation has done well is sell the supposed virtues of the single mother "empowered" careerist women and their right to abortion. The only family values content is LGBT parents rather than any successful straight couples. Not to mention in animated comedy shows Dad is always portrayed as the dimwit and/or fat slob not to be listened to by the wife or kids. The values of America are Abortion careerist single motherhood and LGBT "modern family" two parenting.

as a guy, sometimes you do feel like you are failing your family miserably and it eats at you. And the way his wife immediately is just like "no" as if to tell him dont you dare let those thoughts into your head is truly beautiful acting from both russel and renne

@@hulkhatepunybanner Is it your money... NO! So why do you feel the need to crap on someone else's nice gesture. Maybe next time run the comment through your brain before hitting reply

@@hulkhatepunybanner what’s the point of this comment?

well said.

@@INDRIDCOLD83 why are you here?

@@INDRIDCOLD83 you're not enlightening anyone you mook. You're just showing people how insufferable people can be. The donation is not for her recognition. It's for her. And she has a life. She doesn't have to appease every comment.

@@INDRIDCOLD83 Maybe you’re right, but I like helping people out. Even if they don’t acknowledge it or recognize it, still feels good to help someone who’s put a lot of effort into entertaining folks.

@@INDRIDCOLD83 You seem to be very unhappy with... well, a lot. Why exactly are you here, and what are you hoping will happen with your constant replies to people expressing 'super thanks'? (Which is what it is called when folks decide to donate money, in thanks, to a content creator) You even copy/paste this same reply on multiple comments. Your need to get some kind of engagement with content creators seems a little desperate. Perhaps you should adjust your expectations, and just enjoy the show. Either way, you have successfully drawn the 'eye of Sauron' so... behave accordingly. -Jon

I have wondered that myself. How this wasn't even nominated for Best Picture puzzles me.

The Ron Howard group always seems to make movies from stories I thought should have a movie made about them. I always used to say they should make one about Apollo 13 and they did, Jim Braddock and they did. The only one they didn't make that I thought would be a good movie was about Dean Reed (The Red Elvis). I believe they had the rights but didn't follow through. Luckily others did so the story has been told somewhat.

@@marleybob3157 It's got to be the title. Cinderella Man is just a strange thing to call a boxing movie.

Thats not necessarily how Braddock won, Baer beat the hell out of Carnera in the previous fight, knocked him out 11 times.

I've been waiting for her to do Seabiscuit, she would love it!

I don't like horses. Horses don't like me. (Ironic as my chinese zodiac sign is the horse...) Still, I sat down one gloomy afternoon and accidently ended up watching Seabiscuit - with no prior knowledge of the real life events it portrayed. To say I was engrossed throughout and cheered by the finale would be an understatement only an Englishman could perform.

Seabiscuit is 100 percent worth it, and perfect for this channel.

Yea i agree, 'Seabiscuit' is a great movie worth watching; Secretariat is another great feel good horse racing movie.

@@abyssdemon oh definitely. Secretariat was another amazing True Story movie. Know they love horses, so between Seabiscuit, Secretariat and I’d add in Hidalgo (based on someone’s alleged true story) with Viggo and his horse, I think they’d both enjoy any or all of them.

I think you might have him confused with another fighter (Jack Dempsey perhaps). Max Baer worked in a slaughter house killing cattle by swinging a hammer at their head. That's where we developed his literal killer power.

Well said

yeah same generation also endorsed Jim Crow Apartheid and KKK terrorism, great people.

I'm always so relieved to see at least a few people pointing out how amazing and vital Thomas Newman is.

And also Russell Crowe and Leonardo DiCaprio in *THE QUICK AND THE DEAD* (1995 film).

Yes, Seabiscuit has much of the same emotion and sentiment. When Cinderella Man came out I remember it being described as "Seabiscuit except about a person."

I also made a comment thanking her for that story and expressing my sympathy (and relevant empathy)- I can relate to the uncertainty of a potential "mystery" illness... both firsthand and secondhand: The following stories are to make anyone reading this aware (if you/they are not already) that: 1) There are other microbes that can cause a serious sore throat besides strep throat or "viruses that go away on their own", some of which are lesser-known by most doctors, and: 2) There are differences in how much doctors are actually willing to do necessary detective work for such cases. For one example, there was a TRUE story on a TV series about a college girl's throat infection that keep getting tested negative for strep throat and mono (and brushed off) for WEEKS on end... until it turned into a BRAIN ABSCESS. It turned out that a common, NORMAL, usually harmless symbiotic gut bacteria had opportunistically migrated to her throat... and then to her brain. The problem was, tests for that species apparently are not that common, so until she ended up in the ICU, no doctors wanted to do any "work" or "thinking" to track it down (and hence get an appropriate treatment.). Examples like that make me SO so angry. I also learned about yet another example the hard way... ...I had a [mouth] "mystery infection" that medical professionals REFUSED to even do tests for or diagnose (for SOME reason!) EVEN THOUGH I had (at the TIME, temporarily only for a few months) "good health insurance". Even though my visits weren't "working", I kept trying new ones, two primary cares, two different urgent cares, 2 weeks later an oral surgeon... NONE of which did ANYthing helpful. But given the fast-progressing and scary symptoms, I did NOT "twiddle my thumbs" for those two weeks while waiting for that oral surgeon (or waiting potentially until it got so bad that I might have ended up in the ICU in the hospital)... I actually have a background in biology (and microbiology) which helped the following, but that is ALSO when I taught myself how to use reliable sources such as SCHOLAR.google.com (which ONLY pulls up research papers) to try to find any legitimate scientific studies on potential ACCESSIBLE (i.e. without relying on a doctor to give me a prescription) substances (such as [the yes-controversial] colloidal silver, oregano oil, Manuka honey, etc) that may be effectively antimicrobial against whatever-I-had... even if I did not know exactly what species of microbe that I MIGHT have. Because of the lack of "practical" detail in the existing studies I did find... I had to GUESS at dosages and timing of the substances I threw at that apparent microbe attacking me... making sure to keep the doses JUST barely under the limit of being potentially unsafe. Coincidentally (OR I am guessing probably NOT-so-coincidentally), by the time my 2-week-later oral surgeon appointment rolled around, the symptoms were completely gone. I STILL WENT TO MY APPOINTMENT though (even though it cost me $50 out of pocket with insurance, and I STILL would have gone even if I hadn't had insurance which may have been around $500)... and you may ask WHY? Why would I still go (especially IF I had had to spend $500)? My answer is... I knew I should get the actual species of microbe properly diagnosed (while I DO have a microbiology background myself, it's not "THAT" good)... especially if it was something that could lie latent and come back later with a vengeance. I had taken notes AND digital photos of the symptoms, so I DID have something to show the oral surgeon. But when he looked at the data, the MOST he could say is "It looks like there was something immune going on." SO... NO diagnosis, NO answer... for $50 (OR the SAME lack of result would have occurred for $500 if I hadn't even had insurance!). And some people wonder why some people end up being skeptical and mistrustful of the medical industry... if they had experiences like this, they wouldn't wonder anymore... So I kept a TWO-MONTH-LATER appointment with a DIFFERENT primary care doctor with a really good "detective style" reputation... who was a 2-hour drive away (and yes, I DID make that appointment when the symptoms FIRST started, but again, I was not about to "twiddle my thumbs" while waiting and letting myself risk ending up being in the ICU)... When I went to THAT appointment, and showed her all the data... SHE actually at least made two hypotheses regarding bacterial species it could have been. One of which was relatively common, but the OTHER of which was... Tularemia. Tularemia, as I researched later, can have a 30% MORTALITY RATE. So... was I taking stupid risks for taking the "controversial" colloidal silver? In MY opinion, I think "no", but I do also believe when it comes to risks and unknowns, everyone is entitled to their own opinion since it's your own life. Like I said in a different post, everyone has different risk tolerances for different types of risks. Colloidal silver IS a heavy metal and DOES have its risks. But SO DOES Tularemia, especially when there is TOTAL LACK OF MEDICAL HELP (as my above story showed is possible) DESPITE my desperate pleas. As it turned out, I did ask [the new doctor] if I [still] needed treatment and she said no, not if my symptoms were gone. But again, I am glad I went and found out what it likely was, because if it was a different microbe, I very well could have still needed treatment. I did carry around the question in my head of "Am I being overdramatic when I tell people that I could have died from that likely-Tularemia infection?" My answer to myself got narrowed down when an acquaintance of mine told me their OWN story... ...they had a young, toddler cousin... who DIED of some sort of infection EVEN THOUGH they had sought medical attention RIGHT AWAY (yes, he STILL DIED BEFORE the medical professionals DIAGNOSED him... and actually he apparently NEVER got diagnosed). AFTER his DEATH, according to my acquaintance, the doctors (or coroner, I don't remember) said IT COULD HAVE BEEN TULAREMIA. The phrase "could have" told me that for SOME reason, they did not either do a diagnosis OR autopsy. So... another mystery... one that unfortunately took someone's life, and far too young of course :( I'm sure these are hard stories to hear (AND for me to tell, trust me)... but I really do think it's necessary to be aware of what CAN happen, especially when it comes to things we believe "should or shouldn't" happen (like doctors doing PROPER diagnoses or even TRYING to). ALSO... it raises awareness of the dire nature of the phenomenon of SOME entities wanting to BAN and outlaw accessible, "natural" / herbal supplements (like oregano oil and colloidal silver)... which, if those WERE banned, I do not think I would be alive today!!!

I wish they watch "Southpaw" or "Warrior" some day

@@genzai Warrior destroyed me. When that song came on during that scene.... I bawled like a baby.

I agree, Cold Mountain should be on her list!!!

I think Cold Mountain would kill her

Cold mountain didn't get the credit it deserved (mis- marketed at the time as only a romance story) and I still hope it gets discovered by a new audience one day.

Cold Mountain shows a real strong woman not these modern day superhero fakes.

Amazing movie. I think the title throws people off. You just don't expect a period piece boxing movie to have 'Cinderella' at the top.

I know, right? There are NO other reactors that have done this movie. All I can find besides this single one, are reactions to the Eminem thing (which I personally do NOT care about lol).

@@ct6852 I agree, I think the title just throws people off and they don't bother to look up to see what it's about.

Well said. I agree. I think people are a bit ignorant about how much of our taxes goes toward military and the like and NOT toward food stamps and other programs. We could do better. If rent keeps rising we'll rely more and more on these programs unfortunately. Glad you're doing well.

In a sad coincidence to the movie, at the 2000 Summer Olympics Mark Simmons (Art Lasky) defeated Iran's Rouhollah Hosseini in the round of 16 by a score of 11-6, once again suffering a broken hand in this bout. Simmons then lost the guaranteed bronze medal match to Germany's Sebastian Köber in the quarterfinal

Agreed, it’s his best performance, among many great roles.

They shot the movie in Canada and Crowe was trained by a former Olympian Wayne Gordon. The contenders fighting Braddock were all Canadian boxers of note (Olympians) leading to a more realistic look. Most of the supporting players were veteran Canadian actors.