What’s the largest tire you can fit on a carli 2.5 pintop kit and how much trimming is required

What happened to the parts list?

The list is there.....they don't have any favorites hahaha

We have a video on this! Go give it a watch!

Agreed! It's crazy how low the caster spec is on new Fords from the factory. Makes no sense!

I have been told the reason for less caster is for less steering effort they want them to feel like a car, but as parts wear caster goes negative, better to start out with 3 degrees@@CJCOffRoad

That's what were here to do!

@@jacobgreenhalgh4257 Baloney. Leaf spring designs don't have this problem.

Do you go to the cancer ward and brag about being healthy?

@@odius94 Yes, Cancer free now.

thank you for the post, I can see how a stiffer tire would help to prevent death wobble, never thought of that before, but the off road guys have to run low tire pressure or they would get stuck in soft ground, if you have a problem again, find a good alignment shop that can add a few degrees of positive caster, the death wobble will be gone

FYI you didn’t have death wobble

Doing our best to share real, truthful information on the topic!

Yes but it’s happening way more on Ford than any other brand. I don’t think anyone is saying it’s only Fords.

@@jordangraf673 Way more on jeeps*

@@kylesonsalla7620Fresh from the factory? Because I haven’t heard of any cases of stock jeeps having death wobble with low miles.

What did this cost you?

Ford rep says that's what recalls are for.... 😃😃😃😃

It won't have this issue, only a fraction of a % of them seem to

It will

Out of the hundreds of Ford Super Duty trucks we've worked on personally and thousands we've sold parts for, only an extremely small portion actually have a legitimate death wobble issue. For some reason the internet has blown this topic way out of proportion!

@@CJCOffRoad exactly👍🏼

It’s the most common fix on a new truck!

This sounds similar to my '11. I'm stock also. Which caster bushings did you use?

Did the caster bushings cause wear problems on the tires though?

Any update boss?

That dual steering stabilizer wasn't doing shit, it was just hiding the issue.

Fix or repair daily

Just as a quick correction, Super Duty trucks have used straight axle from 1999 to current, and even earlier for F-350 models. Like you mentioned and we mention in this video, caster is key to handling, so adding caster is the first thing we check after looking for worn out parts. For some reason many 17+ Fords aren't shipping with enough caster. Adding caster shims is very quick and easy though so there's no need to disassemble the front end!

@@CJCOffRoad Thank you for the response! I am not a mechanic, and I apologize for the misstatement! Your reply is very helpful!

Did the dealership take care of this?

@@hookedonfishing2095 yes. I took it in and they replaced the passenger side outer tie rod, the drag link, and Pittman arm. Not really sure how long this ‘fix’ will last though because I only had 11,000 miles on it.

@@vince5506 Its a common issue with solid front axle vehicles. I suggest upgrade the front end with Carli or a good aftermarket set up. I drive a lot of work/fleet trucks and they all will eventually get a death wobble at some point.

What do you expect for $60,000?

@@dillpickle282 they are way more than 60k. Nothing is perfect. Its mechanical and therefore susceptible to failures. I share the agony of it all. My 2020 chevy has tons of annoying ass issues

Their entire point was the “root cause” can be a variety of different things. Great that you fixed it with castor, but that’s not the only possible root cause. But appreciate your confidence.

@@shepsean1 I appreciate what they've addressed here and that they have pointed out all of the possible problems that can contribute to this issue! I'm sure not knocking what they've said. I didn't mention in my first comment but this is something I do for a living and have fixed over a dozen other trucks with the castor fix alone. I just started experimenting with my personal truck because I knew that all of these parts weren't new, matter of fact a couple of which actually needed replacement and yet I wanted to get to the cause of headshake rather than to replace a parts that only temporarily "fixed" headshake. That is what so many people are doing, they replace one of these components and depending on how lucky they are either never have a problem again or in 5000+ miles start to fight the same issue. I have no interest in arguing with you, rather I thought if someone had the knowledge on how to fix this issue for good others might appreciate it. But like I said changing castor has fixed every truck I've worked on for good, even trucks that need these other parts replaced desperately. Once that is fixed I'll replace these other parts if they are worn but I refuse to change these other parts for my customers because just like they mentioned on the video headshake will cause enough stress and abuse to ruin otherwise good parts in the first place. Do with my experience what you will, but I wish someone told me what I know now 10 years ago, would have saved me a lot of frustration on my personal truck which has fought headshake since I've owned it until I learned what I learned.

@@trentt5362 fair enough, you have more experience with it than me!

Trent, is your truck lifted or factory height?

@@AzRocket001 My truck is factory height, I have noticed on some of my customers vehicles that are lifted that the addition of castor drastically improves their headshake but doesn’t cure them in the same way the factory height trucks have been cured.

Shut up, Toby!

That’s what she said!

The most common thing we see wear out is the drag link, but with proper maintenance there's really no reason for death wobble. It's just a worn out part causing steering slop!

It's the top pinned comment!

Unfortunately there is not a one size fits all solution and some trucks are difficult to cure! I would replace any steering box where you feel even over an inch of play!

Didn’t happen to do a pitman arm or track bar drop with the lift? Changing any of those will cause bump steer

@@Wrangler98 No drop pitman arm, raise or drop brackets or drag link flip.The jeep is now in the hands of the dealership. Thanks for getting back to me :)

I have different truck, but older gen had hydraulic steering... 0 issues, normal feel for 11 years... newer gen has electric, they added rubber bushing connection which wares out and making clunk... just fantastic job they sometimes do

If you don't mind, send us an email to sales@cjcoffroad.com so we can help!

Here's a whole walk through of that truck: www.cjcoffroad.com/blogs/cjc-off-road-blog/2020-ford-super-duty-tremor-leveled-on-carli-suspension-e-venture-system-and-37s

For the tie rod yes. For the drag link, you only need to adjust it to center the steering wheel, which can be done at home.

Nope! Our guess is that you have either a worn drag link joint, defective tires that are out of balance (it's very common on the factory spec tires) or not enough caster. Follow the steps shown in this video to help you rule out play in any of the steering joints.

Any solid front axle vehicle can get the death wobble.

@@TheBeingReal i know, these are the vehicles I'm familiar with. Also its not as prevalent in leaf sprung vehicles.

Yes absolutely! Your caster will be extremely out of spec when leveled without shims!

Awesome - thanks for the input and I will have them added

These are 18x9 wheels with 5" backspace and 37/13.5/18 Nitto Ridge Grapplers.

Steel it is a great product to touch up those little spots the factory missed.

Our goal is around 4-4.5 degrees.

So long as they stay in business

We have a feeling it's either, caster angle, play in the drag link joints or tire pressure related. Follow along with this video and if you don't see any play in the front end joints, you can then tackle caster or tire pressure to get things dialed in.

Ok thank you I will check those things out myself. I have had it at the dealership for this twice and of course they claim they don’t notice anything. Less tire pressure than specs or more?

We always run less than the door sticker since we run aftermarket tires.

These are the steps you need to follow! If you get stuck give us a call!

Pretty much none since it’s designed to sit level, but remember you can always fine tune that with rear blocks!

There are additional options available. Carli Progressive Add-A-Packs Leaf Springs for the rear suspension. Some guys have used those along with an additional custom spring and or air bags from Air Lift, Firestone or Hellwig. All depends upon the truck owner's end goal / objective regarding rake or no rake unloaded and reduce or eliminate any rear drop or squat while loaded.

Most likely you have a IFS front end suspension. Check your tires, wheel hubs and your Tie rods ends.

Yes, IFS. This vid got me to thinking about it. I’ve never heard of a IFS having the wobble.

@@BlackdogADV doesn't occur often but it can happen loose or worn out components mentioned above will cause some wobble and shaking. No where near as solid axle truck. That right there will scare the shit out of you 😂

@@BlackdogADV don't even try a boosted lunch with death wobble 😂😂

Any vehicle can have a wobble if it has worn out front end parts or out of balance tires. It’s a simple as fixing whatever part/parts are causing the issues!

Oh BS. I have a 2020 no rust but the surface on the suspension parts, and I live in Ohio with liquid de icer in winters

@@bigbeef8935 Congratulations? I live in so cal and a lot of the trucks out here are already rusting. That bs under coat doesn’t last out here

There has to be play somewhere! On a second gen, the track bar joints are typically the cause. Run through the full front end following this same procedure.

@@CJCOffRoad Reply much appreciated. I'm getting ready to do just that. I did find a LF tire showing signs of separation, but am pretty sure there is also play somewhere for the type of vibration/oscillation I experienced to occur. Edit, this truck is a 2 wheel drive.

Saad Malik as does gm, Chevy dodge and jeep. Just take care of your rig and it won’t happen

@@brokenwrench404exactly, nothing heavy duty about ifs.

I agree...but for some reason it seems more prevalent in Fords?

It’s the fault of worn parts. We made the same video for Rams too.

That’s just on the internet. They’re very solid trucks and solid axles are going to have the strength and durability advantage over IFS every time!

Why is it happening to new trucks then?? And why are people getting recurring instances after replacing the “worn parts” ??

@@WilleJamesHuff thank you

@@skiiabamba Like he said, somebody hit something!

Just keeping buying new vehicles every two years. That's what smart people do.

Not really. It will absolutely cause sloppy steering, but we've never seen one cause death wobble.

It’s the top pinned comment!

Almost all solid axle trucks get it at some point. Jeeps have been known for it since, forever.

For sure! Just stack the leafs so thick that nothing moves and away you go!

None of them are having a death wobble problem unless you read comments online! Haha If they are, it’s a simple as replacing a worn part or two and maybe adding some caster.

At the time of filming this neither was really an option, but now Apex and Synergy are the go to choices over OEM.

Nope!

How does that kit ride compared to stock? What size tires did you go with?

@@brokenwrench404 seems to ride significantly better. I can for sure tell the difference on the dips and that’s what I wanted. I got the 2.5 commuter and also the torsion sway bar. Nothing in the back besides the shock upgrade. And I’m running Method 312s with 35x12.5x17

Yuri Omas nice. Thanks! I have the deaver/carli 2012 full leafs on my 04 and they’re super plush. Highly recommend them.

@@brokenwrench404 yeah I want them but was on a budget and 3K was plenty for the time being.

Yuri Omas I hear ya!

Remember that brand new parts can also be defective, so check all your front end joints shown in this video, and check your alignment specs if all parts check out as okay!

Get rid of that piece of chit. Won't be long before you have transmission issues on top of the death wobble.

Are you lifted? Add the 2 degree Carli castor bushings. $60 bucks and an hour to install.

It's just something worn out! While your front end may be different than what's shown here, use the same method and you'll be able to track it down.