Classical Composer Reacts to A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers (Van Der Graaf Generator) (Episode 157)

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Doug Helvering

Doug Helvering

3 жыл бұрын

#VanDerGraafGenerator #APlagueOfLighthouseKeepers #ProgReaction
In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers by Van Der Graaf Generator. This is my first listen to anything by this band, and I was floored by its uniqueness and scope. It's a long episode, so take the plunge and follow along!
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@HangingFreud
@HangingFreud 3 жыл бұрын
Not only Peter Hammill was doing all those voices, but David Jackson was doing all the winds and Hugh Banton was doing all the organs AND basses. These guys were just a whole orchestra by themselves.
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
There's no bass on the song afaik, pretty sure it's all bass pedals. Hugh has nimble friggin' feet.
@davy1252
@davy1252 3 жыл бұрын
@@kidflersh7807 Very little guitar either - it was organ/sax/drums with Hammill dominating with his voice and theatrics. When the band played live at that time we simply didn't either expect or miss the guitars that almost every other band relied on. A unique band. Their gigs were simply incredible when they were on form, so memorable even now.
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
@@davy1252 Hammill does occasionally play keys/guitar (like everything on godbluff has clavinet from him).
@klaatoris
@klaatoris 3 жыл бұрын
@@kidflersh7807 According to the liner notes as well as Wikipedia, Robert Fripp plays some electric guitar on this song.
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
​@@klaatoris You're right, he's on the "The Presence Of The Night" section, very subtly I might add. I was primarily referring to the band on an average day, since fripp was a guest.
@ozricaurora6943
@ozricaurora6943 3 жыл бұрын
Peter hammill uses his voice like an instrument. Growling, squeeling, shrieking, whispering, singing softly to provide whatever is necessary for that part of the song
@davep8221
@davep8221 3 жыл бұрын
"[doing[ whatever is necessary for that part of the song..." A major defining characteristic of prog.
@ozricaurora6943
@ozricaurora6943 3 жыл бұрын
@@davep8221 absolutely
@davep8221
@davep8221 3 жыл бұрын
@@ozricaurora6943 Is the Ozric in your name a reference to Ozric Tentacles? Or is your Ozric Tentacles something else? In either case, The ozzies are one of my favorite bands.
@ozricaurora6943
@ozricaurora6943 3 жыл бұрын
@@davep8221 Yeah it's a reference to that. I'm obsessed with the northern lights aswell so that's the aurora. Ozric is a Nordic male name and aurora is a female name so I like the balance thing. I love that kind of stuff. Like balance of heart and mind in Cygnus book 2 by rush
@tomt5745
@tomt5745 Жыл бұрын
Peter is an organ
@clemsplace
@clemsplace 3 жыл бұрын
Fripp's contribution to this is so subtle and so intergrated you might miss it. A staggering piece of music. unique.
@tomt5745
@tomt5745 Жыл бұрын
Fripp is in a way the spline in this fantastic construction :)
@GabrielVince
@GabrielVince 3 жыл бұрын
"I love Van der Graaf cause they were a band that were on the edge, and although they had quite complex arrangements, they made some great sounds. An they were an incredibly depressing band, music to commit suicide to and that's why I loved it, because it was so out there." Bruce Dickinson
@rcautela7405
@rcautela7405 3 жыл бұрын
Bruce (n Doug for that matter) needs to CAN a little
@koukouvania
@koukouvania 2 жыл бұрын
i found it totally UNdepressing! music to become enlightened by!
@wtfn573
@wtfn573 2 жыл бұрын
@@rcautela7405 Its not depressing at all. In almost every one of those depressing songs there is almost always a redeeming section at the end.
@incompletotrunksnautillusc1116
@incompletotrunksnautillusc1116 Жыл бұрын
@@rcautela7405 What?
@Quills64
@Quills64 Жыл бұрын
i guess we're not listening to the same band because ive always found VDGG incredibly depressing
@seghj
@seghj 3 жыл бұрын
Hammill is my favorite singer/songwriter ever but it's so sad that he is such an unknown name even among music nerds. He is the epitome of sincerity and integrity in music and he is completely fearless and uncompromising. Listening to this man (especially his solo stuff) is an almost religious and very intimate experience. And that VOICE!!!
@mozstarOG
@mozstarOG 3 жыл бұрын
He’s made it to a lot of magazine covers in the last month…! Finally some recognition on the horizon?
@seghj
@seghj 3 жыл бұрын
@@mozstarOG I hope so but I'm afraid that the world will only fully realize what a genius he was when he's gone.
@apollomemories7399
@apollomemories7399 3 жыл бұрын
@@seghj Not in the UK. Everybody who's switched on knows him and VDGG all too well. Thankfully!
@apollomemories7399
@apollomemories7399 3 жыл бұрын
@@mozstarOG So, what's Record Collector magazine been doing all these years? Seriously, stop reading that Rolling Stone rag and Buy British! nb. and Mojo, who interviewed him not so long ago.
@gregvanblair9096
@gregvanblair9096 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, though once I told Hammill that Gentle Giant was my favorite band...He Mr. Hammill was my favorite Artist !!! I love him...he's the only one which touched my soul. He's the only artist/lyricist who I actually "heard", who spoke to me, who was really worth listening to and pondering!
@jonathanhenderson9422
@jonathanhenderson9422 3 жыл бұрын
That moment at 20:40 is one of more terrifying moments in the history of prog. The song had already been building tension up until that point, but that switch just feels like a complete descent into madness. Only King Crimson have managed something similar in their music. Not the most pleasant sound, but geez is it powerful.
@erikhesjedal3569
@erikhesjedal3569 Жыл бұрын
I bet you haven't listened much to Italian Prog. If that's your thing, try it
@jonathanhenderson9422
@jonathanhenderson9422 Жыл бұрын
@@erikhesjedal3569 I've heard some but certainly not as much as English prog.
@Rog5446
@Rog5446 Жыл бұрын
Trivia: Fripp played on one of VDG albums.
@Quills64
@Quills64 Жыл бұрын
​@@Rog5446 it was this album. he's on this track.
@Rog5446
@Rog5446 Жыл бұрын
@@Quills64 Tah Muchly. I no longer have the album, as I disposed of all my vinyl, so could not check the line up.
@Tyldenfilm
@Tyldenfilm 3 жыл бұрын
This song is pure briliance. The whole album is totally unique and way ahead of it's time.
@mpg8314
@mpg8314 3 жыл бұрын
H to He and Pawn Hearts don't sound like they were released at early 70s, they sound like really mature and clean prog, musically and technically speaking
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Hammill does all the vocals. (His solo work is amazing.)
@GEAsolar
@GEAsolar 3 жыл бұрын
He released a new album!
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@GEAsolar Is this the covers album?
@sammarsh3679
@sammarsh3679 3 жыл бұрын
I think Hugh Banton does a little bit of harmony vocal in the end, but it's pretty buried under layers of Peter.
@derekprice9076
@derekprice9076 3 жыл бұрын
Should listen to king crimson, in the court of the crimson king
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
@@derekprice9076 If you mean me, that was one of the first LPs I bought, and KC were one of the first bands I saw live. I have a pretty comprehensive collection of vinyl and CDs, including some of the Projekcts. I also have the excellent "In The Court of King Crimson" by Sid Smith.
@3ggshe11s
@3ggshe11s 3 жыл бұрын
I think the foghorns in Part 2 are actually supposed to be the horns of two ships, trying to warn each other before they collide. The lighthouse-keeper sees the collision and can't do anything to stop it, and the rest of the song unfolds to tell us his reaction to the tragedy he was helpless to avert.
@ericdupont1326
@ericdupont1326 Жыл бұрын
exactly right ( sereo effect with one ship right , one ship left )....... and after the crash we can hear the souls of the dead sailors, go out of the wreck , climbing & reaching heaven ; that is the reason the lighthouse keeper gets mad all things are a part , all things are appart
@enricopaoli1183
@enricopaoli1183 3 жыл бұрын
One of the very best Prog Rock suites by one of the best bands of the genre. Period. Peter Hammil is genius.
@brucegelman5582
@brucegelman5582 3 жыл бұрын
Parafin wax was used to light lanterns after whale oil stopped being used
3 жыл бұрын
Right! That's it.
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, paraffin wax replaced spermaceti, which is solid and used to make candles. Waxes are the esters of fatty acids with fatty alcohols, in this case palmitic acid and cetyl alcohol. Whale oil, on the other hand, is liquid and was replaced by paraffin oil, also known as kerosene.
@lizardbizarre
@lizardbizarre 3 жыл бұрын
Paraffin is a liquid known as kerosene in the US ofA.
@o2bavr6
@o2bavr6 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Hammill The Silent Corner and Empty Stage.. Absolutely incredible album. It is worth your time to listen to it.
@markjacobsen8335
@markjacobsen8335 3 жыл бұрын
"A Louse Is Not A Home"!!!
@joook1972
@joook1972 3 жыл бұрын
@@markjacobsen8335 Greatest PH song!
@GravyDaveNewson
@GravyDaveNewson 3 жыл бұрын
a gothic masterpiece
@Swordshreader
@Swordshreader 3 жыл бұрын
Modern is really good also!
@quentinlargcoie
@quentinlargcoie 2 жыл бұрын
Caution if you're already feeling depressed though!
@jeffreygould101
@jeffreygould101 3 жыл бұрын
As a fan of both prog and metal (most of what you've been reacting to), Peter Hammill remains both my favorite vocalist and lyricist of all time. His 70's output both with VDGG and solo was astonishing, and he has continued to produce excellent album after excellent album up until today. Unfortunately many people may only have heard Peter screaming "Shock" on the chorus of Peter Gabriel's "Shock the Monkey and not be familiar with his work and his fantastic songwriting. Glad you've given VDGG a chance, Doug! There's a lot more out there that would warrant reactions.
@gewijdebehaeghel6935
@gewijdebehaeghel6935 2 жыл бұрын
My all time favourite VDGG track. There's a second layer to the story which is the the lighthouse keepers' inability to save his marriage or relationship so that's one reason for the different voices, the other two being the lighthouse keeper's reaction to the horror that waits in the sea and the third the disassociation from reality and descent into madness.. There are sounds in this song when all instruments come together that are just eerie and awesome and totally unique. What a song, what a band. There is no comparison.
@zigzag2510
@zigzag2510 7 ай бұрын
Agree, totally.
@TheTigershark800
@TheTigershark800 6 ай бұрын
agree!!
@erikeinmo8607
@erikeinmo8607 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve recently learned that lighthouse keepers often were hit with mental problems due to exposure to vapours from the mercury used in the light-reflecting mechanism. They often had to rid the mercury of soot by manually pouring it through cloth. Kind of like mad hatters :)
@Doug.Helvering
@Doug.Helvering 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@simondee2493
@simondee2493 3 жыл бұрын
The Mercury was used in the base for the heavy lamps to frictionlessly rotate on. Not sure about mercury soot, but vapours from the heat sounds more likely.
@azothamenti3378
@azothamenti3378 2 жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow Mercury is assioated with madness.
@RolandTumble23
@RolandTumble23 2 жыл бұрын
@Andy Briggs In the US paraffin refers to a petroleum-based wax. In the UK, it refers to what is called kerosene in the US.
@Israel-jr5ks
@Israel-jr5ks 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Hammill vocals and songwriting are out of this world, and sadly he's probably the most unrecognized prog rock hero. You should listen to "Pilgrims" and "The Undercover Man", for me these two songs are the two most emotional music pieces ever writen.
@mespam8135
@mespam8135 3 жыл бұрын
"Lost" and "Refugees" ;)
@frankwestad5084
@frankwestad5084 2 жыл бұрын
The whole "Still Life" is a masterpiece
@cahyarmdhn
@cahyarmdhn 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankwestad5084 yes, i think it sounds more mature
@bernhardkaiser9567
@bernhardkaiser9567 7 ай бұрын
I totally agree! The undercover man is my favorite tune all kinds of music! Pilgrims is wonderful, too 😊
@jrusso4753
@jrusso4753 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think one can find a more masterful, eloquent lyricist and composer than Peter Hammill in all of rock. Prog or otherwise. VDGG was huge in Europe. Still are. For a time Genesis was their opening act on tours. I had the pleasure of seeing Hammill live around 40 years ago in a very small club in Cleveland, OH. He performed solo. Just piano. He still covered many VDGG songs with just piano and vocals. Amazing! Thank you, Doug, for reacting to this. A deeper dive into more VDGG will not disappoint you.
@sebastiantorres2542
@sebastiantorres2542 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, to all the people who asked this song. Great work Doug. You're already like a friend to me, although you have no idea. I watch you nearly every day. God bless you.
@Doug.Helvering
@Doug.Helvering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks friend!
@commonsensecraziness7595
@commonsensecraziness7595 3 жыл бұрын
@@Doug.Helvering Please explore BERSERK ~Forces~ by Susumu Hirasawa. I guarantee it's unlike anything you've ever heard before and I'd love to hear your take on it.
@capricekor
@capricekor 3 жыл бұрын
All the sounds were recorded in the studio, they were not taped natural sounds added to the mix. (Fog horns = saxophones).
@Bikonito
@Bikonito 3 жыл бұрын
Careful with those parasocial relationships.
@SB36963
@SB36963 3 жыл бұрын
All Peter Hammill making the voices and lyrics. That dude is my favorite person in all of Rock, tied with Jim Morrison. The creativity is truly INSANE. Listen to Arrow, Man-Erg, Undercover man, Still Life, La Rossa, and so many more. Everything is a masterpiece in my mind.
@bernhardkaiser9567
@bernhardkaiser9567 7 ай бұрын
Undercover man is my all time favorite song!
@SB36963
@SB36963 3 жыл бұрын
David Jackson on double saxophone is legitimately to die for. Watch the live version of this. Brings whole new meaning to the beauty of it. The drumming, organ, winds, voice, etc.. etc.. everything is so in tune. I have no clue how this band went so unnoticed. They were big elsewhere, but Peter Hammills solo work is purely incredible as well. The best is that it is their life and they never truly went for success, but to express.
@BaldJean
@BaldJean 3 жыл бұрын
The line "I can see the lemmings coming, but I know I'm just a man" is an allusion to the other two songs on the album, "Lemmings" and "Man-Erg". "Lemmings" is about someone watching the lemmings jumping into the sea and asking himself if he should join; in the end he decides not to. "Man-Erg" is about someone realizing there is a good and a bad side inside of him; he speaks of a killer and of angels living inside him and in the end comes to the conclusion that he is just a man, and that killers and angels all are a part of him. So it is a concept album indeed.
@apollomemories7399
@apollomemories7399 3 жыл бұрын
In short, everything by VDGG and Hammil are a concept. They just didn't do "I love you, baby" stuff. lol.
@DavidLazarus
@DavidLazarus 3 жыл бұрын
@@apollomemories7399 - Ha! Yet, Peter Hammill does have long songs. Albeit not your typical ones.
@promierdafernandez81
@promierdafernandez81 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, can you recognize some of the figures in the Pawn Hearts album cover art? I only recognize (I think) Tsar Nicholas II
@flyer5347
@flyer5347 Жыл бұрын
@David Lazarus could you recommend some? I'm a big fan of strange/ intricate love songs
@Korlinath
@Korlinath 3 жыл бұрын
As a Floyd fan since Meddle, and a Yes fan since Fragile, I was recommended the album Pawn Hearts by a guy at a record store in 1976. I'll never regret buying it. One of my favorite albums. Thanks Doug for the episode!
@wendellwiggins3776
@wendellwiggins3776 3 жыл бұрын
VDGG were one of the most ORIGINAL of the PROG innovators with their dark mysterious voids of sonic self reflections. I think the ending needed to sustain the ascension of this Keeper (physically or etherically) I think the dot dot dot was intentional
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
And in comparison to Godbluff or H to He, Pawn Hearts is a very experimental album.
@axolotl8694
@axolotl8694 3 жыл бұрын
As one of the aging prog-heads who requested this song, a heartfelt thank-you! I'm well aware that this material can turn off many if not most listeners, so it was refreshing to see you engaging with a completely open mind and digging right in, and your reactions were priceless. "weird e minor"... nice. stepwise motion up and down representing the waves... I actually hadn't thought of that. And glad you dug the whole-step creep-up in the final section... it's one of my favorite techniques and I've used it in my own pieces. I don't think there's any pre-recorded, i.e. nature, sound in this track... it's all the musicians, mostly extended techniques from Jackson on multiple saxophones, sometimes played two at a time à la Roland Kirk, and much studio work with filters and overdubs. As an aside, I'm encouraged to see so many high-quality comments on this video! there is an audience for this stuff, niche though it may be. thanks for connecting more of us. now we need to produce more weird unpopular out-there shit like this. ;-)
@andrejz8954
@andrejz8954 3 жыл бұрын
great comment, m8!
@DavidLazarus
@DavidLazarus 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I won't deny that Peter Hammill/VDGG is an acquired taste and some (many) don't acquire it. I love their music though and Peter's dynamic vocals. Ironically, it's those dynamic vocals that seem to turn some people off.
@joook1972
@joook1972 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen Dave playing THREE saxes at a time!
@saskiakroonsberg
@saskiakroonsberg 3 жыл бұрын
@@joook1972 me too! I feel so fortunate I have been able to see them play live.
@BetamaxFlippy
@BetamaxFlippy 3 жыл бұрын
Feel free to listen to the full album's original master on my channel
@boozefueledreviews6928
@boozefueledreviews6928 3 жыл бұрын
I clicked this... and immediately thought to myself, "Who the actual FU*K is reacting to VDGG!??!!?!?" Man, this channel is sick!!!!!!!
@gyro3454
@gyro3454 3 жыл бұрын
You should check out the reaction channel “JustJP” he has done a lot of reactions to prog bands like Vdgg and many others.
@RolandTumble23
@RolandTumble23 2 жыл бұрын
Doug is one of my tip-top tier reactors, in large pat because of his openness to off-the-beaten-path pieces.
@tomt5745
@tomt5745 2 жыл бұрын
Or sane.. :)
@leoscone4036
@leoscone4036 3 жыл бұрын
I concur with the voices below. "Childlike Faith in Childhood's End". I saw Hammill perform solo once. The experience was like willingly giving oneself over to a vampire. He drew every bit of energy we were willing to give, but the gift of our "blood" was well worth the performance he gave. One of the most difficult yet rewarding of prog rock bands.
@gudulezzz
@gudulezzz 3 жыл бұрын
Another of my top 5 prog classic. Yes, Peter Hammil is the only singer. His voice is incredible. David Jackson on sax is a pure genious. You should see him playing two saxos simultaneously. Hugh Banton on keyboards creates a fascinating ambiance. Guy Evans on drums, is more than a drummer. He's a true musician. No double pedal here ;-) and he sounds great. Did you notice there's no bassist ? With Genesis, King Crimson (so sorry you can't react to their music), Yes and EL&P, VDGG made the musical background of my youth. I'm 62 now and still listening to these great creators.
@jorgesimoes5706
@jorgesimoes5706 3 жыл бұрын
Doug, if you decide to react to King Crimson, have a look at their eighties ressurection - at least, you'll be looking at something different. Thanks.
@2fs
@2fs 3 жыл бұрын
It's an awkward compromise but...he could still respond to King Crimson, even without reusing the music...since there are official Crim "videos" on KZfaq now. He could just show the timecode, without the music being audible (to us)...and we could, in turn, merely go to the video and sync the timecodes and listen on our own. Voila...
@yassinbenchaouche1320
@yassinbenchaouche1320 3 жыл бұрын
Mon album préféré d"e VDG est " still life" , j'adore ce group je les découvert vers les années 77 78 ..
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile Жыл бұрын
Well, fancy that, a drummer who is even a musician. What?!??
@benthompson9349
@benthompson9349 11 ай бұрын
Hugh Banton played bass guitar on record, not all the time but it pops up now and then. There is actually some bass guitar on this song, drop tuned to a very low A.
@kkondakov
@kkondakov 3 жыл бұрын
I am sure that many people agree with me here that the next VdGG needs to be "Sleepwalkers" from "Godbluff" (1975) - another insane Epic that will blow Doug Helvering out of water
@TheAnalyst79
@TheAnalyst79 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely second that
@einarassipavicius1991
@einarassipavicius1991 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I used to say that Plague is my favourite VdGG piece. But Godbluff is my favourite album and with time I start to realize maybe The Sleepwalkers is my favourite VdGG song. That piece is monstrous. If Doug reacted to this, would be fantastic!
@gudulezzz
@gudulezzz 3 жыл бұрын
+1000 :-D It will be a funny moment to see Doug's face reacting to this.
@iansmith8783
@iansmith8783 3 жыл бұрын
godbluff is amazing. "the undercover man" would also be good.
@Eleventhearlofmars
@Eleventhearlofmars 3 жыл бұрын
I love the album still life and particularly the song my room (waiting for wonderland) .
@Davejkn
@Davejkn 3 жыл бұрын
SHM is simple harmonic motion in physics, although it's probably also a pun on HMS - His/Her Majesty's Ship in the british navy. Peter Hammill studied Liberal Studies in Science at university, so there are a few science references in his songs
@kevmdud
@kevmdud 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! And for non-physicists, SHM generates sinusoidal (wave-like) motion over time, this ties in nicely with Doug's description of the wave-like nature of the music in this section :)
@soggytom
@soggytom 3 жыл бұрын
'A few' references? Now there's an understatement! ;-)
@vadimzaytsev2660
@vadimzaytsev2660 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's simple harmonic motion because they used to take acid, plug music into an oscilloscope and watch the sine waves, according to VdGG: The Book (hence also, I assume, the part titled Land's End (Sineline)). A cheeky in-joke. :D
@cykkm
@cykkm 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, indeed! Other section titles also contain puns (which I find confusing or even weirdly childish, and apparently unrelated to lyrics), so I suspected this one was too. This one at least makes perfect sense!
@alspacrat
@alspacrat 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't hear much guitar." That was VdGG in the early 70s. I think they threw a lot of people off guard with that no-guitar approach.
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
There's a touch of guitar on the song in on part, supplied by Robert Fripp himself.
@jakelm4256
@jakelm4256 3 жыл бұрын
I get literal chills over Hammill’s vocals in the middle section even after hearing this for the 500th time
@JohnLRice
@JohnLRice 3 жыл бұрын
Note the subtle spelling of the final lyrics, it is intentional, not a typo: ALL THINGS ARE A PART ALL THINGS ARE APART ALL THINGS ARE A PART Meaning IMHO: All things are a part of the whole All things are separated from each other All things are a part of the whole
@ganazby
@ganazby 3 жыл бұрын
Non duality, in other words. Perhaps.
@jorgelopezgalvez
@jorgelopezgalvez 3 жыл бұрын
It’s been maybe ten years since last time I listened to this one. Clearly a masterpiece, even if it requires a lot from the listener. Funnily enough, I’m so used to Porcupine Tree’s Voyage 34 that I sometimes forget the VDGG sample coming from the second section of A Plague..
@PaulMDove2
@PaulMDove2 3 жыл бұрын
I love the way Peter plays with words. There's the apart/a part but also "Lighthouses might house the key" which taken with the many references to physics (and the puns) in Peter's lyrics (Pioneers over C being an example of both) I've always thought this could be a reference to the relationship between light and causality, but maybe I'm reading too much into it.
@iansmith8783
@iansmith8783 3 жыл бұрын
@@ganazby to me, it's the paradox of non-duality. you get to non-duality and a host of other dualities spring up, like awareness/lack of awareness of non-duality, the existence of non-existence, etc. etc. the guy has gotten to a point where he realizes there is a limit to what can be understood and ultimately he's just going to have to bite the bullet and embrace the mystery.
@ozricaurora6943
@ozricaurora6943 3 жыл бұрын
Scorched earth is probably my favourite VDGG song. It's 9 minutes and it's pulverising from start to finish pretty much. How they're able to pack so much music and changes into a 9 minute space is amazing
@andreacosta74
@andreacosta74 3 жыл бұрын
The most underrated rock band in the history
@juankgonzalez6230
@juankgonzalez6230 3 жыл бұрын
It's quite interesting that you mention Musique Concrète because Hammill straight up did some Musique Concrète on his own (the name should set your expectations: "Gog - Magog (In Bromine Chambers)"; a piece whose later half I consider to be the sounds of Hell itself)
@gelsol
@gelsol 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Hammill/VDGG have an insane discography. They have a lot of mind-blowers.
@biraoliverio
@biraoliverio 3 жыл бұрын
All vocals are done by Peter Hammill, he us a very gifted singer.
@grubkiller1212
@grubkiller1212 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think, should we advice him something else or is it enough?
@biraoliverio
@biraoliverio 3 жыл бұрын
@@grubkiller1212 I think we can suggest other songs, like Man Erg, The Undercover Man, Refugees, and Killers.
@grubkiller1212
@grubkiller1212 3 жыл бұрын
@@biraoliverio Great idea! But what about other bands ? I would like to see Doug react to whole Thick as a brick
@biraoliverio
@biraoliverio 3 жыл бұрын
@@grubkiller1212 This ia a great suggestion, let’s work for it.
@anthonymorris6490
@anthonymorris6490 3 жыл бұрын
The arrow is a great track to show his singing range
@jackal59
@jackal59 3 жыл бұрын
The section around 11:47 sounds like Messiaen, which makes sense since Banton is a classically-trained organist. He's released at least one album of Bach. In fact, a lot of the "bass" is him pedaling.
@anthonymorris6490
@anthonymorris6490 3 жыл бұрын
He played bass guitar in the studio just so there was the bottom end in the track however when they played live Banton was an octopus feet on pedals, fingers at organ he was and still is incredible to watch play live
@Generatorhead
@Generatorhead 3 жыл бұрын
Hammill has stated in numerous interviews that he is a massive fan of Messiaen, so that makes perfect sense.
@peterichards3261
@peterichards3261 3 жыл бұрын
I love Peter Hammill's perspective on this aspect of being a sort of guardian but what if you get it wrong? Modern equivalent would be air traffic controllers. By the way Doug keep going with VDGG, the Godbluff and Still Life albums are awesome
@Rowenband
@Rowenband 3 жыл бұрын
My two favorite albums too.
@PaulMDove2
@PaulMDove2 3 жыл бұрын
Peter has air traffic controllers covered too with his solo piece Flight. Which has now been adopted into VDGG's repertoire with them performing it live on what may have been their last tour, I think in 2018.
@jonrumfitt1913
@jonrumfitt1913 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaulMDove2 Flight (pref. studio solo version) would definitely be a good one to react to Doug. Love the channel by the way.
@TheAnalyst79
@TheAnalyst79 3 жыл бұрын
You are not going to get this recommendation from many others, but another 20+ minute epic you should try is Mumps by Hatfield and the North. You will not be disappointed.
@allangmiller
@allangmiller 3 жыл бұрын
Good call.
@poststructuralisthero9290
@poststructuralisthero9290 3 жыл бұрын
I'm hearing more and more people call for Canterbury bands lately. It's going to happen.
@odrioper
@odrioper 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Marvelous piece.
@FiddlerNick
@FiddlerNick 3 жыл бұрын
Yep it'll blow your brain
@micaelmelomachado
@micaelmelomachado 3 жыл бұрын
Doug, since you're escalating on the scale of "prog wierdness" (Pink Floyd to Yes to Genesis to ELP to King Crimson to VDGG), the next natural step would be Gentle Giant! Perhaps "Knots", maybe?
@yes_head
@yes_head 3 жыл бұрын
And then on to Magma. I'd like to see how he deals with Klingon opera.
@grahamhowes6904
@grahamhowes6904 3 жыл бұрын
Yes please Gentle Giant but do source the performance from their live album PLAYING THE FOOL Octopus for instance
@ananas8031
@ananas8031 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see him react to Trout Mask Replica. The final stage of weirdness
@stubking1397
@stubking1397 3 жыл бұрын
On Reflection. Doug writes choral music. I would love to get his reaction to this Gentle Giant gem
@biraoliverio
@biraoliverio 3 жыл бұрын
@@yes_head Mekanïk Kömmandöh
@GunnarCreutz
@GunnarCreutz 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a fantastic reaction video to the greatest progressive rock epic there is! Peter Hammill's lyrics and his voice is absolutely fantastic! Hugh Banton's monster organ (with its entrails hanging out) makes the most fantastic sounds. David Jackson is a fantastic saxophone-player known for often playing two saxes at the same time. There is also Robert Fripp (of King Crimson) playing electric guitar on this album. All in all quite an odd instrumentation! There is probably just one progressive rock band with a more unortodox instrumentation and that is the Belgian band Univers Zéro (half a rock band, half a chamber ensemble). Their instrumental piece "Dense" from the album Ceux du Dehors (1981) is well worth listening to! On Peter Hammill's solo album In Camera (1974) there is actually a musique concrète piece called "Magog (In Bromine Chambers)". Hammill has made circa 40 studio solo albums, while VdGG has made 13 studio albums.
@tomt5745
@tomt5745 2 жыл бұрын
Hammill is a force of nature
@docdeens4030
@docdeens4030 9 ай бұрын
One of the most brilliant pieces of music ever created, IMO. Always fun to watch somebody take it in for the first time
@robfractal6820
@robfractal6820 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyable watching the Classical Composer be totally engaged in this unique VDGG music that still sounds as weird and wonderful as when I heard it 50 years ago. Great fun!
@edelcorrallira
@edelcorrallira 3 жыл бұрын
This was incredible... I had never heard this song !!! I had heard other songs by them but not even that could prepare me. I absolutely cant be happier, this is just unbelievable!
@sheldonwheaton881
@sheldonwheaton881 3 жыл бұрын
Scherazade by Renaissance?
@dougmphilly
@dougmphilly 3 жыл бұрын
next please
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that by Rimski-Korsakov? ;-)
@markjacobsen8335
@markjacobsen8335 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikioko Renaissance did an amazing piece call "Song Of Scheherazade" that is about 24 minutes long. Much different than the Rimsky-Korsakov piece.
@malekmo64
@malekmo64 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikioko no only a reoccurring motif that alludes to Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezade, not a complete copy of but inspired by, their title is Song Of Scheherezade.
@ianashleigh
@ianashleigh 3 жыл бұрын
Ashes Are Burning for a shorter track
@CanigoCatala
@CanigoCatala 3 жыл бұрын
VdGG were unique, one reason was Peter Hammill, the other the choose of instrumentation and the ability of going from pastoral to pre-punk-like aggressive tones
@nothingmuchado
@nothingmuchado 3 жыл бұрын
This was a deep cut in 1971, haven't listened to it in ages. Great to see a reaction. Hammill's work with Robert Fripp on his "Exposure" album is well worth a listen!
@jackal59
@jackal59 3 жыл бұрын
"Disengage" was the very first thing I heard Hammill sing. Scared the shit out of me.
@primateinterfacetechnologi6220
@primateinterfacetechnologi6220 2 жыл бұрын
Robert Fripp... Now there's a whole issue... I say that as a fan and student of King Crimson from the beginning... and Fripps' endless discussions on issues, and stuff, and things around... Plus he is probably the basis for half of my playing style. him and Carlos and Gilmore... But lately "System of a down" is what I... hear. they just seem to be... or reflect my... experiences of late. and for some time really, for better or worse. Show me better rock vocals anywhere and I will show you... something that I am confident I will not have to find... like a unicorn or a 25 lb largemouth bass. rock vocals that are just as good exist, certainly they do- But none better. Peace be upon you, sir.
@batteryacid1464
@batteryacid1464 3 жыл бұрын
Please react to Peter Hammill - A Louse is not a Home. Love the videos! ❤️❤️❤️
@pinkyfloydyfan1
@pinkyfloydyfan1 Жыл бұрын
AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!!!!! Peter Hammill's voices and lyrics, the Jackson's saxes, the keyboards of Banton, all that with the pure subtle drums of Evans... all in a perfect mood! Like Miles already said: it must have been made in heaven! And the stereo mix of 2021 is even better!... Thanks VDGG for this MASTERPIECE!!!
@noncompulsoryl
@noncompulsoryl 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this takes me back! So happy that people are still discovering this today, like I did ages ago. Fantastic group of musicians.
@Laurasiana
@Laurasiana 3 жыл бұрын
Alright! So with Van der Graaf and King Crimson, you’ve started on the path of the Music that Bites Back! From here, it’s on to RIO (Rock In Opposition). Bands like Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Sammla Mammas Manna, and Etron Fou Leloublan await you.
@gregpapakostas7243
@gregpapakostas7243 3 жыл бұрын
Vdgg is just astonishing. So much power . For me my favorite is Sleepwalkers. The greatest lyricist in prog by miles. Such unique set up for a band of that era. Peter's solo records are amazing as well which everyone played in too. Something like 13 or 14 records total in like 7 or 8 years together between vdgg and solo
@jazzandrocknroll3235
@jazzandrocknroll3235 3 жыл бұрын
I’m very glad you got to experience this haunting eldritch masterpiece Doug, I highly recommend you check out more of Van der Graaf Generator’s music, especially the track “Childlike Faith in Childhood’s End” as recommended by others. I would also LOVE to see you react and dissect jazz rock band Soft Machine’s Slightly All The Time”, it’s a very musically interesting jazz piece with lots of great saxophone work and master class musicianship.
@RodM.Peters
@RodM.Peters 3 жыл бұрын
It's Peter Hamill's singing all along, and the fact you ask is a testament to the guy's incredible voice range and emotional richness: he goes from the heavenly falsetto to the rough-edged, even jagged and desperate voice tone just like it's a cakewalk.
@thosava
@thosava 3 жыл бұрын
A fun fact since you also react to a lot of Iron Maiden. Bruce Dickinson has stated Peter Hamill among his biggest influences as a vocalist. You can definitely hear some similarities in their projection of powerful, distorted and theatrical vocals.
@Dmdmello
@Dmdmello 3 жыл бұрын
"Lost" is another great VDGG song
@Pjaypt
@Pjaypt 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is! A fantastic romantic song! And once more Hugh Banton giving that watery sound...
@josedealbuquerquejr.941
@josedealbuquerquejr.941 3 жыл бұрын
Nic Potter favorite VDGG song
@lemming9984
@lemming9984 3 жыл бұрын
Lost is equal to Plague for me. I just can't decide which I like the best!
@NicolaMenel
@NicolaMenel 2 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@paulramon3353
@paulramon3353 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Doug I would add the relevance here of Hammill's training by the Jesuits, Catholicism's ideological special forces unit as he later called them. There's more than a touch of contemporary Christian existentialism here, especially if the lyrics are read allegorically. The closing line, playing on the ambiguity of 'a-part', is very likely an allusion to Yeats' The Second Coming (things fall apart etc). VDGG seem the supreme example of Edward Macan's argument that the secularization of Church training is an overlooked influence on English prog. Many proggers had public school choirboy backgrounds and Hugh Banton went on to develop a successful line in electronic church organs.
@soggytom
@soggytom 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on. I feel Hammill was forever trying to quench and resolve depression and a bit of mania through his lyrics, often quite blatantly ('In The End', "House With No Door"). And the attempts to resolve conflicts with Christianity come through loud and clear as well ("The Lie"). Regardless, ALL the music is stunning and moving. VdGG is the one band (and Hammill solos) I can never get enough of.
@jackal59
@jackal59 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment. I've always thought that "Man-Erg" is one of the most direct songs of theirs I've heard and that it is essentially a humanist hymn.
@edoianna
@edoianna 2 жыл бұрын
After more than 40 years this record remains the Absolute to me, the summit, the lighthouse, the guide
@mfgobbi
@mfgobbi 3 жыл бұрын
Hammill is the greatest lyricist ever.
@davidatkinson-lifematters4826
@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 3 жыл бұрын
Damn right.
@a.s.vanhoose1545
@a.s.vanhoose1545 3 жыл бұрын
Check out his 'Empress's Clothes'
@NickBR57
@NickBR57 3 жыл бұрын
Well, maybe, maybe not. But right up there for sure.
@Swordshreader
@Swordshreader 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!!!
@mikesch0815
@mikesch0815 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes and once again: yes! VdGG is still active, next year I'm at the concert at the Mousonturm at Frankfurt. Two years ago I heard Peter at Breitenberg Festival - wonderfull!
@simply_psi
@simply_psi 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent that you are doing some Van der Graaf Generator, they were so innovative and Peter Hammill, is a talented song writer and extraordinary lyricist with a very unique vocal style
@RiccardoDeStefano
@RiccardoDeStefano 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Hammill, best singer AND lyricist ever
@willyvlyminck201
@willyvlyminck201 3 жыл бұрын
I won‘t disagree 😊
@magusperde365
@magusperde365 3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see other hammil fanataics on youtube but at the same time it's such a small group I feel like I probably interacted with all of you on facebook
@RiccardoDeStefano
@RiccardoDeStefano 3 жыл бұрын
@@magusperde365 i'm italian and in Italy there Is a small (but not so small) cult following Hammill and VdGG. The band went #1 in 1971 with "pawn hearts" and since then they're still beloved by prog aficionados
@magusperde365
@magusperde365 3 жыл бұрын
@@RiccardoDeStefano oh shit yeah I almost forgot about Italy and how many there are here sorry
@Eleventhearlofmars
@Eleventhearlofmars 3 жыл бұрын
@@RiccardoDeStefano Italian folk have great taste in music because they embraced quite a few progressive bands from England back in the 70s, notably Genesis and VDGG.
@firstdegreehurrdurr
@firstdegreehurrdurr 3 жыл бұрын
All of VDGG 70's output is among the very, very best of progressive rock, and this song in particular is one of many masterpieces from those albums.
@anthonymorris6490
@anthonymorris6490 3 жыл бұрын
Hey the vocalist was Peter Hammill all the way through, he was and still is an amazingly distinctive and versatile singer
@magusperde365
@magusperde365 3 жыл бұрын
Some may argue that he lost his voice today. But I think he still has that intensity. Just less versatile and more raw.
@anthonymorris6490
@anthonymorris6490 3 жыл бұрын
@@magusperde365 some may yes, I will confess I was rather astounded how his voice has changed when "Do Not Disturb" came out, however he has that chameleon ability to change with his age even some of the old songs are different but not in a bad way for me
@brucegelman5582
@brucegelman5582 3 жыл бұрын
The end sounds like angelic redemption rising into the heavens
@NakiLogos
@NakiLogos 3 жыл бұрын
This is not kindergarten music like Dream Theater, this is real deal!
@nicolasjungblut7874
@nicolasjungblut7874 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that's a little bit exaggerated....
@JorgeDibildox
@JorgeDibildox Жыл бұрын
🙄
@OxideManganese
@OxideManganese 6 ай бұрын
is in
@ExcellentChalsTransit
@ExcellentChalsTransit 6 ай бұрын
Dream Theater's definitely not "kindergarten music"
@OxideManganese
@OxideManganese 6 ай бұрын
@@ExcellentChalsTransit Songs about aliens and invisible monsters don't look serious compared to this
@didierchapelot5671
@didierchapelot5671 3 жыл бұрын
This is just the greatest progressive band of all times. And one the best band in history. Happy there's some reaction video for Peter Hammill's work. The vocals are all from Peter Hammill. He liked to change his voice according to the lyrics, like in a play. I would love you react to more from this wonderful band. There's no guitar in VDGG but in this track Robert Fripp (from King Crimson) plays some.
@thewal1ofsleep
@thewal1ofsleep 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most unique and incredible bands of all time. Their music transcends genre. Legends.
@proghead122
@proghead122 Жыл бұрын
Doug's breakdown was a revelation and made me re evaluate my opinions . I always found this track a challenging listen at the time even though I was a VDG fan. Finally 50 years later I recently played it again and was instantly blown away. The whole album is a masterpiece and I now think that it's possibly the best Prog album I've ever heard. Better late than never and I guess that some things are meant to happen in the right moment.
@bdrowe63
@bdrowe63 3 жыл бұрын
Doug...you should do a workthrough of Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick"...
@leonardoleo6304
@leonardoleo6304 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you should😃....stick with the Studio version. You dont regret
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
How does it feel to be thick as a brick?
@webz3589
@webz3589 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikioko i really don't mind
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
@@webz3589 So you sit this one out?
@alexsander2112
@alexsander2112 3 жыл бұрын
Also, for Friday sections, as you love doing prog suites, I'd love to see a full Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (or even "A Passion Play")
@domi01234
@domi01234 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug, Congratulations, you "survived" VDGG's A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers :-) Yes, it's Peter Hammill doing all the voices. Their instrumental work is mainly centered on Banton's keyboards (highly customized for the period) and Jackson's saxophones (highly customized too, electrified, and yes he can play two at the same time live) plus the incredible drums from Evans. You said "fascinating" several times and "unique piece" and you're right: VDGG never tried to go commercial. Peter Hammill plays electric guitar but mostly on his solo albums (with the support of the VDGG members...) VDGG + Peter Hammill discography is gigantic. Even a punk singer like Sex Pistols' Johnny Rotten considers Peter Hammill the God Father of pre-punk. As a supporting sample you can browse the Nadir's Big Chance album (1975) there: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLGfg5RqvK7HdnU.html. Try also "Open your eyes". Beyond the pre-punk aspect, one song beats all the others in this album: "The Institute of Mental Health". All the pre-punk God Father thing is kind of BS IMHO, you can find plenty of burgeoning proto-punk work everywhere. First example to come to mind: Detroit-based MC5 - Kick out the jams (1969) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9x6erSQ1c_beWQ.html Lyrical content: yes, all Peter Hammill lyrics are pretty heavy. You won't find Girl meets Boy and will live happily after in his songs. After his divorce, Peter Hammill wrote one of the most sad song one can listen to: "(On Tuesday She Used To Do) Yoga" from the album "Over" where the electric guitar lacerates like a scythe: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsyibNGV0L3coHU.html The theme of survival and rebirth is very present in Peter Hammill's work. See for instance "Lost And Found" from the same album: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bM6Iq9x709yamHk.html You can find similar "we don't give a s..t about commercial" bands. Take for example the Kraut Rock period in Germany during the 60s. For obvious reasons Germany is and stays apart of the cultural and musical affairs of the world, also the British Invasion is in full swing. The frustated younger German musicians thus had to explore "new" music and do their own things between themselves. The most famous being Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. But it's only the tip of the iceberg. Try the list below to find works that are also unique and different: Can / Halleluwah from the Tago-Mago album (1971): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fdZmorOqttS8ZmQ.html Neu! / Hallogallo (1971): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNSUo8xp2bS-qYU.html Neu! / Negativland (1971): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nM6ZgdeS09ytnZs.html You can look for Amon Düül on KZfaq and dig into the results. Sounds like Jefferson Airplane or Greatfull Dead but through a "let's make it much weirder" filter. Here is a band that really really did not give a s..t: Faust. Example: It's a Rainy Day (Sunshine Girl) 1972: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbioqbSeubreZX0.html A song where the economy of lyrics is astonishing :-) Even more for the beat! Virgin Records signed them not really knowing what they were doing, ROFL. Ten years later, Kraut Rock has become "Euro Rock" and still lived on. Example: Die Krupps - Wahre arbeit, wahrer lohn (1981): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ep9ofc5235zHm5s.html (unfortunately they later ended up going commercial) It beats Suicide IMHO. They are all different, but most importantly, their music is timeles. Interestingly it's always artists who have something to say who write the songs that will last (they are even catchy sometimes). For example: Dubioza kolektiv "Himna generacije", kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJuoqMSmqb3cias.html. Your channel is very interesting. Thank you for bringing the musician expertise to the things we listen too. I'm very appreciative and we are learning things. Keep on the good work! TYVM. Warmest regards, Dominique
@bastiangustavsen3168
@bastiangustavsen3168 3 жыл бұрын
Saw them live in 2011, Never heard about them beforehand, had to pick between them and The Stranglers. I am so glad I made the choice to watch their show. Incredible musicians! Peter Hammill is a wonderful person to watch! Totally electrifying!
@jeannettesimpson9778
@jeannettesimpson9778 3 жыл бұрын
Never got to see them live - and I saw many bands in the 70s - so this is my biggest regret. (Never saw The Stanglers live either, which is another regret.)
@bastiangustavsen3168
@bastiangustavsen3168 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeannettesimpson9778 bet you got to see so many wonderful acts in the 70s! Lots of music from that era that I wish I could have seen, but I was born in the 90s
@lemming9984
@lemming9984 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah! I went to see VdGG on that tour and saw a Stranglers poster for a gig the same night. Manchester?
@bastiangustavsen3168
@bastiangustavsen3168 3 жыл бұрын
@@lemming9984 indeed!
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
But did you know kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q6pdm6yFqd7Lm5c.html exists
@fredoniabulsara9414
@fredoniabulsara9414 3 жыл бұрын
Didnt know these guys before! Absolutely gonna add them to my smoking playlist! Feels like Maiden and King Crimson had a kid. Thanks to the people suggesting this masterpiece and thanks to you bringing it to us! Edit: The Spy by The Doors would be definetly worth your time!
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 3 жыл бұрын
If you liked this, try "A Louse is Not A Home" by Peter Hammill (and definitely his most acclaimed song). It's one of the best solo songs by the singer of VdGG. It has all the past members of VdGG. Also maybe could do "The Sleepwalkers" by VdGG
@TheAnalyst79
@TheAnalyst79 3 жыл бұрын
Those would be my top two next PH/VdGG suggestions as well
@einarassipavicius1991
@einarassipavicius1991 3 жыл бұрын
Two excellent suggestions. I second that!
@frankwestad5084
@frankwestad5084 2 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion, "Louse" is an epic piece of music
@atlasking6110
@atlasking6110 3 жыл бұрын
All things are a part. All things are apart. Doug, there's a live video recording of the whole piece that's just amazing. They have the whole studio filled with hundreds of candles, very atmospheric. You can find it on KZfaq with an annoying watermark. I have it on the GODBLUFF DVD where it is a bonus track.
@bongobong3302
@bongobong3302 3 жыл бұрын
I believe it's the second time they ever played the whole piece. They never planned to play it live but French TV said they had to..
@raybysouth3523
@raybysouth3523 3 жыл бұрын
This live piece was done in 2 parts. Saw them do it in London at the Barbican as a 3 piece good but lack Jackson.
@briannicholls2893
@briannicholls2893 3 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough in my university days in the early 70s to see many of the top prog bands live, but VDGG at the Cambridge Corn Exchange (the Godbluff tour) remains one of the most extraordinary gigs ever. They had an almost punk like attitude in that they were simply determined to play in their own way regardless of whether the audience liked them or not. Hammill's vocal power was unequalled by any other singer I have seen before or since, and the musicianship was superb. Above all, their use of dynamics gave them a power that even heavy metal bands could not match - and that was without a bass player and with minimal guitar. Still one of my top 5 gigs of all time.
@mvjonsson
@mvjonsson 3 жыл бұрын
Doug, if you want to further hear the close connection between modern classical music and prog, I would suggest listening to the Belgian progband Univers Zero and especially their album Ceux du Dehors (1981) with tracks such as Dense, Bonjour Chez Vous and Combat. They played a dark, medieval, atmospheric music inspired by composers such as Bela Bartok, Stravinskij, Iannis Xenakis and Huybrechts. Also the French Zeuhl progband Magma, led by Christian Vander, is worth a listen.
@jamescpotter
@jamescpotter 3 жыл бұрын
That is Peter Hammill singing as his voice was capable of multiple textures! Peter was an underrated vocalist because of his eccentric (yet incredibly successful) approach. Once upon a time Van Der Graaf toured with Genesis per the Charisma label both bands recorded on.
@chuckybastard
@chuckybastard 3 жыл бұрын
Excited for this one! To answer your question @ 7:41 , the only vocalist is Peter Hamill, I feel like his unique voice contributes a lot to the Van der Graaf sound. I also want to thank you for these videos!! I’ve enjoyed these works of art (they obviously are) for many years but, thanks to your analysis, I’ve come to appreciate them in a different way! Please keep it up with the Prog epics, I dunno if this might be your cup of tea, but it may be worth a shot to give Italian Progressive Rock a go… Ill Balletto di Bronzo has a fantastic concept album called YS, might be a long piece but just an analysis of the first two “Incontros” is worth an analysis video. All the best from Mexico!!
@geraividet
@geraividet Жыл бұрын
There is a live version of this song. If I'm not mistaken it was recorded in Belgium. It's truly impressive seeing the four of them playing this live.
@peteharper2687
@peteharper2687 3 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of vocals come from Peter Hammill, I've always loved his voice, he looks like a very ordinary gent, but can sound like an angel or completely deranged and all points in between.
@fischergreen4134
@fischergreen4134 3 жыл бұрын
My all time favourite Prog track. It’s been part of my musical life for over 40 years and I never tire of it.
@Pjaypt
@Pjaypt 3 жыл бұрын
So many good suggestions! I'll throw two to the mix: Gates Of Delirium (Yes, from the album Relayer), and Song of Scheherazade from the album Song of Scheherazade and Other Stories, by Renaissance - if you can, do the live version on Live at Carnegie Hall. Attention: it's a whole side! If you decide to listen to other Renaissance songs, I suggest Ashes Are Burning or A Song for All Seasons or... any other from their 70s output. I hope this comment gets many likes, to convince you to lend a ear (well, both ears 🙂) to this fantastic and unfortunately overlooked prog band, Renaissance. Cheers to all!
@RafaelMarques0210
@RafaelMarques0210 3 жыл бұрын
Song of Scheherazade on this live version is perfect!!
@tombajoras
@tombajoras 3 жыл бұрын
Gates of Delirium. Heck, yeah.
@DaUsualSuspact
@DaUsualSuspact 3 жыл бұрын
I'll piggyback on this and would suggest Mother Russia, also from Live at Carnegie Hall. Also some classics like Can You Understand and Can You Hear Me.
@jorgelopezgalvez
@jorgelopezgalvez 3 жыл бұрын
I’d recommend Trip to the Fair which is still my favorite Renaissance piece.
@xcforce9067
@xcforce9067 3 жыл бұрын
How about some Italian prog? Zarathustra by Museo Rosenbach is a great prog epic.
@CaligulavVv
@CaligulavVv 3 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's Zarathustra?
@doomfable3378
@doomfable3378 3 жыл бұрын
Italian prog has a sound all their own
@xcforce9067
@xcforce9067 3 жыл бұрын
@@CaligulavVv Pretty much.
@braun1964
@braun1964 3 жыл бұрын
Darwin! - BMS ;-)
@Lightmane
@Lightmane 3 жыл бұрын
Here's another one I think you might enjoy; U.K.'s debut album, featuring their opening number, a 3-part 13 minute Suite called 'In the Dead of Night'. Part 2 is called 'By the Light of Day' and part 3 is 'Presto Vivace and Reprise'. 'Nevermore' is the other track I think you'd enjoy and from their second album, 'Carrying No Cross'. A 12+ minute Prog masterpiece.
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to have to check that one out.
@Lightmane
@Lightmane 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hartlor_Tayley Great. Let me know what you think 😀
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lightmane will do.
@manuelbarros4898
@manuelbarros4898 3 жыл бұрын
Tremendous album. Allan Holdsworth is just amazing and the band is so tight.
@Lightmane
@Lightmane 3 жыл бұрын
@@manuelbarros4898 Easily makes my top 10 Prog Rock albums. Might make top 5. Too bad not many people have heard it.
@aeglyndagon4070
@aeglyndagon4070 3 жыл бұрын
Finally van der graaf generator :) i hope you listen other songs of this group. Great work!
@IntheCourtoftheCrimsonKing
@IntheCourtoftheCrimsonKing Жыл бұрын
Yes. Peter Hammill was singing all the vocal parts on this. I was blessed to see him live in Quebec City in the 80s and what a range of expressivity he had.
@TheBuglemouthBass
@TheBuglemouthBass 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting tidbit about David Jaxon. The foghorns you hear are him playing not one but TWO saxophones at the same time, harmonized. He did this quit a bit in his time with the band.
@philosophysenpai659
@philosophysenpai659 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome, maestro, to the uniqueness that is VDGG. Unique in their selection and combination of instruments and that awesome skinny poetic and composing genious of Peter Hammill. Yes, he is the only one that sings. Next time please do try the (least experimental) but majestic musical jewels: "Man Erg" and "My Room"...
@markjacobsen8335
@markjacobsen8335 3 жыл бұрын
My Room is sublime.
@mcasualjacques
@mcasualjacques 2 жыл бұрын
when the drummer is named Guy, you know it's gonna be good, that's a law of the Universe
@iansmith8783
@iansmith8783 3 жыл бұрын
legendary. genesis, vdgg, and gentle giant are the holy trinity.
@drob281159
@drob281159 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of things. Peter Hammill said in an interview that VDGG's aim from the start was to create a "glorious racket" (oh I love this one!). And classically trained organist Hugh Banton gives a lesson on working Hammond and Farfisa organs to their respective limits.
@bobfitzpatrick8952
@bobfitzpatrick8952 3 жыл бұрын
I never heard these guys until about two years ago, even though I've been a fan of Yes and ELP for decades. Very talented. I also really like "Refugees" as well.
@thosava
@thosava 3 жыл бұрын
There's tons of more "listenable" VDGG songs (i.e. not this crazy in terms of dissonance and such). You should try Scorched Earth, The Undercover Man, Man-Erg, Childlike Faith in Childhood End or La Rossa.
@carolinecrouch9123
@carolinecrouch9123 Жыл бұрын
It is just Peter singing. I was fascinated by this album and was lucky enough to see Peter Hammil doing a small live show in Liverpool back in the early 70s
@Tsongkapa1
@Tsongkapa1 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, and I always understood "Lighthouse Keeper" to be a metaphor for himself and the band as the keepers and us, the acid-soaked audience, as the navigators. Peter is pretty frank about the drugs in interviews.
@RalphBellairs
@RalphBellairs 3 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favourite bands. Saw them live 3 times and also a Peter Hammill solo gig in the 1970s. The memory of them opening with "Lemmings" at the Free Trade Hall, Manchester in 1972 still gives me chills to this day!
@Bryman1970
@Bryman1970 2 жыл бұрын
I have heard very little of VDGG. This song almost made me insane just listening to it. Wow. What an epic. I love when emotion is expressed so well in a song. This definitely hit the nail on the head, Thanks again, Doug.
@64sirnose
@64sirnose 3 жыл бұрын
ya Doug ya ya Thank You for the break down...... Hammill ...is amazing I saw him in SF acapella so great. hope you can do more Van Der Graaf or Peter Hammill...Keep up the great work!!!!!
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