This hits home for me as I was just recently laid off from a place I was at for over 5 years. I gave a lot to my former employee and it was a kick in the stomach for them to call me up out of the blue and tell me "Your services are no longer needed". I'm now on anti-depressants while I look for a new position.

@@nickwinn I hope you will find the better role and better workplace where you enjoy the most. Believe in god and god has best plan. We may not realize at this moment but sooner or later it make sense.

HR never existed until woman joined the work force, let that sink in….cry babies

@nickwinn hang in there. Go outside and get some sun…oddly enough it was a simple thing to do but fresh air and vitamin D from the sun heals your soul my friend. You got this!!

​@@Niko132 angry at women much?

I agree & disagree. Family should come first, but finances are a family matter. Success comes to those who do more than's required.

That’s very true, but I worked somewhere that it was seen as rude to leave at 5 on the dot, like you couldn’t wait to rush to leave with

@@lazur1 You sound like the ultimate responsibility/accountability wage slave baby boomer! Why should doing more than what’s required like giving up your nights or weekends come at a price of keeping your job? Because it’s the united states of murrica? The land of white boomers who believe one should bust ass to work to survive? You are stuck in the past. Wake the hell up. Work enslavement is coming to an end brother.

Amen to that.

Right. Stay and miss my bus.

But like- its TRAUMA . Oppression . Violence , even . The managers and statistics don't matter -- we young are capable of judging our performance ourselves , O K ? Such trauma . Did she survive ? Does anyone know ? Has the national news been informed , or just the Internet ...? This is horrendous we are witnessing misogyny , patriarchy and we need to take to the STREETS . WHOS WITH ME .

I agree. Any time I got laid off, it sucked in the short term, but always led to something better in the long term.

from Cloudflare? please share your experience

Best thing that could have also happened is leaving the usa. Let all of the white people, baby boomers and their followers work around the clock and simp to corporatism. 😂

It usually is.

😂

well they knew the daft twat was going to go posting online seeking all the 'you go girls' 'yasss queen so brave' she could handle. So clearly HR knew THIS would be the forum for that.

Incredible!!! 😅😅😅

I think the proper forum would be "in court" probably,

There is no "forum". This was not a targeted layoff, she was not the only person let go. They laid off a bunch of people. The HR people do not know anything about the individuals or why they got tagged to be laid off. They are just delivering the bad news. Layoffs are never emotionally easy. When my company had layoffs they got swapped the HR people between Division A and Division B, so that there was no emotional connection between the new bearer and the news recipient.

What do you do now? I need ideas 😩

Thank you for your comment and sharing your experience.

Smart guy.

@@Sassayyyyynow he’s firing people

That sounds like victim blaming to me. A company has the choice not to act like a cunt.

Not all work areas

Yeah, especially in the US where there's no respect for employees. Glad I live in a country with job security and where workers are respected and treated in a dignified manner.

@@chronic2023 Right. And how much do people working her job make in other countries?🤣

@@JasonEdokpa More than they make in the US with better incentives and more productive work environment.

I feel bad for her. Hopefully she will find a better job soon.

Her manager may have been in the dark about her being on the layoff list. I’m guessing that HR just needed to make up some reason which is why they didn’t provide her any reason.

Her manager was probably laid off too

Yeah she's really articulate. I don't think I could stand up for myself like that. Surely she will get a better job with such abilities and they don't know who they're losing

2 weeks off for Christmas? apparently she should've been working her butt off during that time

​@@Wellston-ec7qv😂

@@Wellston-ec7qvI imagine you’re not on a commission sales job over the holidays…

It wasn’t a performance issue - she wasn’t a right fit. She made that clear in this video with comments like “Bullshit”. She’s unprofessional and her colleagues probably thought she was difficult. Move on

If some of her peers that she onboarded with closed deals during this period, there’s no excuse. This is sales. She closed nothing.

I don't understand why they wouldn't just say it's a seasonal job/contract and pay literally just a dollar more an hour or something. At least people would know what they're getting into and prepare for a new job in accordance with when their contract ends.

@@grasshopperweb If workers are under the illusion that if they work hard, they'll have a permanent job, these companies get much more productive and hard working employees. If they told them "it's over in 2 months regardless of how well you perform", the employees would respond accordingly (not caring/ being less productive). So it's essentially a mind trick: promise a prize to motivate them, without there ever being a prize.

That's absolutely false - Cloudstrike does not hire for "Christmas help," that's just a dumb statement. It's not seasonal work. She was fired purely based on the fact that SHE DIDN'T SELL ANYTHING. As a salesperson you're expected to, ya know, sell stuff - she admitted that she didn't close a single deal.

@@kwest317 Fake News. I see the Corporate propoganda is strong in this one. I bet you're the type of person to actual enjoy the Walmart morning prep-talks and clapping...🤣

Just a week after Easter now.. I heard Amazon has already laid off hundreds of employees in cloud technology .. Damn you were right !!

“Top performers” don’t get laid off “4 times”, they usually lay you off when you suck at your job. I know that because I got laid off twice and they were right, I made mistakes, I learned from them and I improved. No company is under any obligation to finance your dreams.

@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Luckily I’ve only been laid off once in my 20 years of corporate experience, like I explained in my original post. The layoff was due to an acquisition, they gave me a fantastic severance with continuation of benefits and had nothing to do with performance. I found a new job in two weeks and was a great push to my career. Yes, top performers can be laid off and it happens all the time. It’s called politics. Regardless if you’re a top performer, if you don’t “fit in”, you’re in danger.

@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Top earners are usually in the first rounds of layoffs. I'm a Millennial and I've been laid off spontaneously 4 times. In 3 of the cases, the company went out of business after firing me for no reason, because they couldn't cope with my and other Pareto Principle people who left after me.

​@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 if you had any reading comprehension you'd know they said they avoided the first three but we're in a company and saw three layoffs before they got laid off. Lmao if you can't even understand the context you should probably sit down and shut up.

I think she's saying she avoided the cut for 3 rounds of layoffs but the 4 round included her. By the sounds of it, it was probably unavoidable departmental cuts. ​@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261

Lest you forget that a company spends a boatload of money hiring someone... training for 2-4 weeks and then in this case 90 day ramp. How do you know she was just watching KZfaq videos or had another job milking her time with this employer. Boo who. Time to wake up

the way they talk is pretentious and phoney

What do you expect some HR person to say there? These folks don't know anything about you. For an actual poor performing person that's been working in a company for a while it's different: they get a PiP and HR is involved and everything. However, in this scenario when it's large rounds of layoffs it's basically just "those are the folks that we cut" and then they're going into those calls, telling them the procedure, possible severance and formalities, done, next. They're not even remotely involved into making the call to terminate x people, neither choose who those people are.

In Massachusetts, you most certainly can get fired. My sister was fired from her job in 2023. When she went to collect unemployment the employer disputed it and she lost. She didn't get a dime from unemployment and she would have lost a discrimination lawsuit.

@@KayKay0314 the above example was from 20 years ago.

@@KayKay0314 I'm sorry to hear of your sister's predicament. If she was either fired or laid off in Massachusetts, she IS entitled to unemployment benefits. If the company is denying benefits their position is that she quit. If she did not quit I'd insist she speak with an employment attorney.

You have inside information to make the statement that they can no longer pay their employees and that she performed well? She literally admits to closing no sales deals.

I don’t agree w her cutting him off saying “I’m gonna stop you right there” This was not good. Perhaps she should not have gotten fired , but that behavior says a lot for future employers who watch this video of her being disrespectful

She answered her own question. She is working a sales commission job. That means if you do close deals you don't keep your job long. She's being paid to sell and hasn't sold anything in 3 or 4 months.

🤣🤣🤣🤣how do you know they have operated the company inefficiently? They are laying her off because she DID NOT MEET company EXPECTATIONS. See, job expectations are posted with the job description, and if you DO NOT MEET them, your butt is canned...most everybody has been fired, so this woke spoiled "well, like" chick needs to move on, suck it up, and get another job...but with these little children these days they want their "safe space" to whine first

I have no idea why so many people are praising this girl - what she did here was not a good idea. I guarantee you that this will dent her future employability….she should not have filmed this interaction. I 100% would not employ her if I was in the position to hire people.

Well said 👏 So glad I got laid off and have no desire to return to corporate America. I refuse to sell my soul in order to have granite countertops drive an audi and wear Lululemon ish! I refuse to aid companies in screwing over people for profit. Our society is warped and sick! I'm the happiest I've ever been, namaste.

You're right that a lot of people need to prioritize family more and work less. But in this woman's case in particular... ? She's a saleswoman who never made a single sale in all her months of work. I should hope we can agree that that's a pretty good reason to let her go, particularly when the company is on hard times and needs to downsize anyway? Better her than someone who actually contributed to the company, right?

@@mjohnson1741 Good for you, really. I’ve been to the states enough times thinking it was peaches n’ cream but it’s nothing but a giant corporate slave camp with flashy lights and makeup. Don’t cave into the vicious cycle again. Move to europe if you can.

That's life! The company you work for is NOT your family and they can and WILL drop you at the first sign of trouble but unfortunately you NEED $ to survive. Also something like 85% of the world HATE their job so either you get yourself educated, STOP MAKING excuses, work hard and make $ to take care of your family. Otherwise point fingers, blame others, take no RESPONSIBILITY for YOUR decisions and cry on a Tik Tok for likes and attention.

@@OptimalOwl I understand what you are saying, but coming from someone with years of sales background, I can tell you 1st hand that it takes longer than 3 or 4 months to realize a person’s potential. This woman works in cloud cybersecurity and I can tell you first hand that this type of sales is mainly relationship building. 3-4 months is premature to assess long term performance.

Can u give some story and feedback pls? I want to here inner sides.

Damn right, she should regard this as a learning experience, move on and improve her work. Yet she’s here complaining that momma’s speshul girl got fired… 😄

That’s besides the point. Being treated like trash for a company you busted our ass off for will affect people differently, and to some people their self worth will be diminished to nothing. Some people could bounce back within days, others could be years, if at all.

@@Justin-uc8sc People who get fired are not usually the type to “bust their asses off” working, they’re the more the type to “keep calm and wait to get paid”.

@@Justin-uc8sc Disagree. All of things you mentioned applied my situation. My self-worth was diminished, I had given everything to that company and they laid me off during COVID. It was a good lesson and I struggled trying to find a new job. But I trusted the process and the value of my skillset and bounced back. The only way to guarantee you won’t bounce back in these situations is if you don’t try, so respectfully, i’m not sure you would be a good person to give advice to people going through a layoff.

I'm pretty sure it had EVERYTHING to do with your performance. I don't know why ppl think that companies CARE about your feelings, your kindness to other coworkers or in this case your skills at "organizing your meetings"! The company is NOT your family and you are a number to them, if you are NOT generating some kind of value then OUT THE DOOR you go and bring in the next person to do it. You are 100% replaceable and you can sit there and say it had "nothing to do with performance" but if you were killing it and generating them revenue/value they would've kept you. Unless you're going the extra mile or you have a skill not many others have on your team they'll keep you around but again if you are not generating any kind of value/revenue you'll be dropped and that's life. I think the problem in North America is we have too many lazy ppl who go to work and take it easy all the time. They're on sites they shouldn't be, they take long breaks, talk too much and don't get enough work done. I see far too many ppl (even where i work now) do maybe 3-5 tasks a week where I try to get 20 tasks done and I think that speaks for itself. I'm far more efficient with my time, I'm getting things done while they are taking it easy and kicking it back. I'm not promised tomorrow but at least I know I'm doing a lot more work than others and I hope that's enough to make it to the next day.

@@DamienMalakay nothing but behaviorist bullshit you spout.

​@@DamienMalakay ya that's complete bull shit I've never been laid off but I've seen countless times where top sales people are laid off and they are directly contributing to profit margins so this whole bull shit speal you just went on is null and void because companies could care less about your contributions it's solely based on political factors and who executives like the most. It's all a popularity contest and if the company over hired they will lay you off whether you're contributing to profits or not.

@@303offroad that makes ZERO sense!! if I am a VP/Director and you're making me look good by making the company $ why the fuck would I fire you? unless you are causing issues left and right i'm gonna wanna keep you around. I think you are a salesperson and you are trying to justify it. I'm no salesperson but in the end you and some ppl take this way too personal, it's a business and they need to make $ and if they're not making money then start cutting ppl! if you started there 3-4 months ago you should probably know that you need to deliver something, we all get paid to do something (whatever that may be)

@@303offroad You clearly don't know anything about sales - if you're selling no company is going to fire you. Damien is absolutely correct. You become expendable when it becomes clear you're no longer meeting SALES expectations.

Amazon does this too. I know someone who used to work there and the bottom performing 20% would be eliminated every year.

What's there to feel sorry about? She's a saleswoman who by her own unprompted confession made ==0 sales. She's so entitled that she cuts off the people firing her multiple times, making demands and accusations, blaming others for how she feels about her failures - as though she could boss and bully her way out of being fired. She says that her manager never directly reprimanded her. The only way I can see that being true despite her being literally a 100% deadweight loss for the company is if her manager found her completely unmanageable. If she was the same way with him that she was on this call, and he never found it in him (whether because of his own weakness as a person, or due to fear of backlash from HR, or for whatever other reason) to set her straight.

@@OptimalOwlOkay random Troll Bot created 10 years ago who only has like 11 followers (who are probably troll bots grown on a farm like you) Let me explain something to you : She doesn't owe people firing Jack shit. Jobs are only useful when they empower you. If they don't do that they are useless. And a job that is firing you is at the top of useless list. She has every right to cut them off and call them out on her BS. She's also not blaming anyone. She mentioned that her performance is better than anyone else. And that her own bosses have praised her for it. So she's asking why two random people she doesn't even know, are making decisions over the bosses she works with. Because she has EVERY right to those answers. Because she's a human being and not a number on a piece of paper. If they can't cut the BS and give her a straight answer, that says volumes about them not her. She defends herself very well. And clearly Troll Bot, that company hired someone to send sock puppet accounts like you to try and spin the narrative against her. It doesn't work.

@@OptimalOwl exactly right.

@@Cuban20 > "She has every right to cut them off and call them out on her BS." Lovely Freudian slip. > "She doesn't owe people firing Jack shit." Not saying she does. I'm saying that it speaks volumes about her character that she thinks she can boss her way out of a firing, and that being bossy and entitled at these two mooks who have nothing to do with anything will make her look good. > "If they can't cut the BS and give her a straight answer, that says volumes about them not her." I think it speaks volumes about the culture at the company. They don't feel comfortable talking straight even to a deadweight loser on her way out who never once successfully did her job in months of trying. I think this is how these HR-PR-obssessed tech companies can end up with payrolls full of useless people. > "And clearly Troll Bot, that company hired someone to send sock puppet accounts like you to try and spin the narrative against her. It doesn't work." I had never heard of the ontological gaslight before. Here, let me try it: You're a Greenlander native who posts on the Internet in-between clubbing seals and being crossdressed and CBT'd by his 175 boyfriends. That's why you're whiteknighting for this occupationally challenged White lady. You wish you could have someone like her just once instead of being passed around the tribe. But it's much too late, because Uqthumuluq already stomped your simp bits to mush when you were 13.

IF you're bad at your job, its management's fault? You can tell by her attitude she's a real treat to work with.

40 out of over 1500 people ... Only worked there for ~3 months ... I fail to see the oppression or fault with anything here besides the sheer entitlement , the compulsion to post private matters on the Internet publicly and pretend as if one is being oppressed somehow . . The job didn't fit with her skills , oh well , NEXT . We've all been there - but apparently Gen Z and Millenials feel as if they are ' the first to EVERRrr '

@@dreamivey3405 i disagree completely. she was standing up for herself.

@@sonquatsch8585it’s not standing up for yourself to say “bullshit” to an authoritative figure who is firing you based on poor performance… she just put the nail in the coffin for future employers there by posting it too & thinking the mob would gift her the job back.

@@JoshO423 People aren't hired back after they are fired! She stood up for herself and more importantly, it helped future employees, she should be proud of herself!

In Jauary 2023, Shift4 laid me off, and my entire team, and no one bothered to send any of us a meeting link, email, or phone call. We all found out when our slack accounts were blocked one morning. My boss refused to return my phone calls and is still there.

Good for her for what? She constantly interrupted HR and was defensive the whole time. No wonder why she is being let go....Her attitude sux. They even said it is a performance issue and she even admitted that she has not closed out any sales. Her hearing that it was her fault was not a valid reason. She than turned it around and blamed it on the company and made up that it was due to the company over hiring. That is a classic manipulation tactic. The HR seemed extremely professional but she kept interrupting them. Companies do not even need a reason to let you go but at least for hers they said it was a performance issue and called her up to discuss it. Some companies just send you an email.

I'm curious, exactly how do you know they didn't let her go because of HER performance???

You are so full of $H!+

Oh another clueless clown. They decided to let her go end off

@@joemahma1237 One because if they had that reason they would use it and to the comment posted above, they’re speaking in general or in other cases, you’re taking it literal for this situation for some reason

been there the best part of 6 months and not made a single sale. that is why she is fired. nothing more nothing less. they cut the worst 40 employees from 1500 sales nothing to do with stock or investors.

Also, not being capable of performing the core function of your job even once in six months is a pretty reliable way to find yourself looking for a new position.

Thank you for your comment.

The 3rd party is just the hit crew. They are deliberately not given all the information on the employee. Their job is to handle the emotional response.

I didnt realize they had 3rd parties to do the firing, that sounds like an awesome job, how does one apply for a 3rd party HR that does lay offs?

She says herself she hasn’t closed any contracts

@@jordanmckinney6200 yes but that’s not the point I think. The issue is if the company is deceptive and operating unethically or even illegally.

You’ll have to explain the deceptive/unethical/illegal part. They said she was being let go for performance. She admits she has not fulfilled her job roles (closing contracts). She says her work is satisfactory, obviously her superiors don’t think so. Business is a meritocracy. You want to keep your job? Make yourself the better employee. Businesses don’t fire/lay off their better employees

A regular Jordan Belfort 💯

Probably put more effort in choosing her outfit for the day than she did doing her job for the last 4 months. She's definitely making the case for AI robots.

Is that bad ?

I’m sales there’s a 3 month ramp up period where you build your clientele. So it’s not that crazy for her to have not closed any deals yet. Plus her 4 month is during the holiday season which in a SaaS environment is slow.

@@amerkulovic3270 she seems like a huge, entitled Ckunt so yea lmao

@bobbybobberton6373 have you worked in tech sales before? You have to learn the product, sales process, and build your book of business. She was doing a ton of work on the back end, but that can take months to come to fruition.

If it’s a good product it sells itself.

@bobbybobberton6373 That’s not how it works. If that were the case companies would not have sales teams. Period.

EXACTLY !!!! Well said.

But why would they care?

They’re job is just to let them know you’re done. Are they supposed to baby you and sugar coat it?

Then start your own business. There are all sorts of excuses not to, but those excuses never stopped anyone who currently owns one. Get on the level, or keep making poor choices and blaming someone else for your failures. The choice is 100% yours. But nobody should be expected to feel sorry for you if you don't.

​@@BokorugroRRwhy lie then, just say we don't have the money for your position

Thank you for your comment. Agree but when HR told her that based on performance, she asked for clear and a valid reason with metrics.

Because she just started to work there and also the holidays???? Also others were laid off too

@@normalgirlcvco Did you hear where she mentions she had at least one opportunity to close something and she didn't? That's telling.

@@JSolar590 Still, a good workplace would be very clear about expectations (you need to close X by X or you will be at risk of termination), and she should have had a warning if it was due to performance. She likely hit the nail on the head about how they made a mistake and hired too many people. It's cruel to say that it's due to performance when you never outlined metrics for performance in the first place and never previously called them up on it. You're not very smart if you are making an assumption based on her not closing something, especially when you don't have a full picture of how the company works.

She didn't close her sales.

@@okigi-wo5zm And?

so why let her go ? @@okigi-wo5zm

​@@okigi-wo5zm and 4 months is not "your life". There were other ppl closing after four months and they stay. "Working hard" in sales is not a metric.

This is 100% true.

Any other recommended licenses?

omg lololol i can only thumb this up once but i would give it so many more if i could

Nice. Quite the meta comment. Jennifer Anniston, Ron Livingston, and the Bobs would be proud.

@@randomtees one of my fav movies ever

OMG, nice.

You do want to express yourself... right??

If that's the case, this should have been communicated with her. She should not have been told that she was "doing a great job" if she in fact was not. You can tell that she is genuinely surprised and confused as to why she is being let go, and that's because up until she was fired, she was told she was doing great. She is not a "joke" for standing up for herself and calling this company out in its BS. The fact is, she is being fired this way so the company ends up pocketing the money they would've otherwise had to pay her for services and/or unemployment. It is not a performance reason at all, and you can tell based on her genuine reaction and the HR peoples' responses. This company failed her and so many other people; they have every reason to be upset.

@@cascade1997 But she absolutely did notice that she wasn't selling anything. She spontaneously confessed to it in the process of making her excuses and accusations, so clearly she knew about it and knew it was a problem. But also, like... If you, as a saleswoman, need someone else to tell you what a saleswoman does, and that it's a problem if she doesn't do it, then doesn't that make you obviously incompetent?

Can we be friends? I love your outlook. I'd really love to have you as a friend.

But why would they know? They're HR drones. They're just there to let her know that she's unemployed. Though TBH, if I were them, I'd be tempted to seize on the part where she admitted she never made a single sale. "I don't actually know, but that sounds to me personally like a really good reason to fire you, so that would be my guess." I would not make a good HR drone.

She doesn't seem competent

Brittany has a lot to learn. In the conversation she had them by the balls but then she got side-tracked and mentioned her not closing deals. That was stupid. Brittany was performing normally-not exceptionally. If she could get them to admit that the reasons are other than poor performance; she could have negotiated a lucrative severance pay. She went in ready to fight. She should've gone in, ready to negotiate. Brittany is young and this will happen again. Hopefully she won't record herself, next time

@@roddo1955 excellent observation. the only thing i would say is that how many deals could be closed in a month during holidays and what had been just after ramping. any contracts judge would have seen thru that....but i get your point fully. i disagree about recording. since management was unwilling or unable to give feedback, i think recording this for the masses to see was a very creative and quite effective way to get that feedback, even tho it would be from people who have nothing to do with it since everyone has been thru it. pseudo-ethically it might be a bad idea, but morally it was top self.

I'll grant that they're no shining examples of the Apollonian spirit, but at least they did their job, right? They actually fired the woman they were ordered to fire. That's got to be worth more than a saleswoman who never sells anything.

Ja, she offers nothing to the company. She claims she has “good meetings”, but couldn’t be good in this one.

Exactly

Businesses exist to make money. That's nothing new.

Getting fired/laid off IS traumatic

@@finnanagans5055getting yelled at on a street by a hobo IS traumatic

I agreed with your first half. Hard disagree that firing someone like this at a company such as Cloudflare is typical or acceptable. No prior warnings in reviews. No manager there. No substantive reasons given for the firing.

No prior warning? She knew enough to record it..

@@GoldTau-qc4242 Regarding talking to lawyers, while opinions can run the entire spectrum here, the employers actions have not placed the company in a legal liability situation. While what happened to her is sad, she has no legal recourse here.

@@scottttym they put the meeting on her calendar that day. She'd heard from other coworkers who got similar of what to expect the true meaning of this meeting to be. Hit record. Duh

Why are you enabling this kind of work culture as if it’s ok? “Work is not your friend or family”. No kidding. So why should the new generation bend over backwards and slave around the clock for an environment that couldn’t even see you remotely as a friend? Can you blame this generation?

Stupid analogy.

I hope whoever marries her likes to argue as much as she does.

@@osman01003why? Seems pretty spot on.

Cause a car sale can happen in an afternoon. Who knows what the sale cycle is. It could be 6 months, and she has only been on the job for 1 month.

@@LancerR890 I mean, so do other sales. The moment of agreeing to the sale is nearly instantaneous but a care salesman can spend a few weeks working with a potential buyer before they decide to buy. So, the analogy is appropriate. Also, she was there for 4 months not 1.

Yeah they blindly looked at meaningless data and didnt even talk with her manager. Mindless idiots

Making her sign statements that her performance is unacceptable could well be interpreted by an employment tribunal as harassment unless she'd been specifically warned of that possibility. In particular if she was signing things under duress and other colleagues there's a possible case for discrimination.

The company is not obligated to help her meet her goals other than provide normal resources, but that said, I agree with you they never communicated anything to her and blind-sided her.

they over hire and cut the bottom performers, its the best way to get top workers if your company can afford it. no need to train or waste their time on the bottom level.

@@peterkin1010 The employment tribunal is a UK concept that we don't have in the United States. Except in cases of discrimination based on protective status (disability, age, race, gender, etc.) the employer is free to fire at will. Discrimination is not that easy to prove in the US either unless you have direct hard evidence that your protected status was the reason for your firing. Signing under duress also is not a legal concept in the US unless someone is directly holding a gun to your head.

It sucks to seee People who r not sincere who sleep with coworkers aren't scolded my managers

@@Harsha-D311 lol. Been there too. They pocketed a 200 pound tip which was left for the staff of whom only 7 had turned up for a room of 200. This was the 80s too. 200 quid weren't to be sniffed at. We'd never have found out but the client was myvdads friend and boss and he asked my sister if she liked the tip when he came round to visit.

There is no crying in baseball.

You don't know how the company works though. It could be normal to not make frequent sales if it's a very high value contract. Regardless, she clearly wasn't given any clear metrics or warnings about her performance... if you are truly terrible, your manager would very likely say something.

Well said. I think the way she handled this and the fact that she posted it publicly is going to make it harder for her to find future employment.

@@DrKnowsMore Honestly, I was sad that we can’t post it on public. Where’s the freedom of speech but that’s the fact.

@@amyzeng4709freedom of speech absolutely exists when speaking out against the government. 1st amendment does not apply to private corporations though and you should always consider the consequences of what you say.

​@@amyzeng4709 dumb take no offense. Freedom of speech and actions can only get you fired. If there was freedom for all that companies and employees wouldn't represent themselves with the usual etiquette we expect from them

It's pretty obvious Cloudflare is going through restructuring, giving the economy and all. Don't think this will stop at 40 lay-offs. This is a repeat of 2008 all over again.

Exactly, she took her "grade-inflated" reviews as gospel even though she admits to zero closed deals. Her supervisor likely placated her because she is combative and has the very attitude that she displayed here.

@@ContrarianExpatriate perfectly said.

Her peers were fired too?

@@ContrarianExpatriate Well that's bad management. If someone is performing badly, you tell them and give them a chance to improve. You don't blindside them.

@@surfsup4019 Great question.

> didn't see her for who she really is I mean they saw her results, right? 0 sales in four months. Complete deadweight loss to the company. They can't keep her on just to look pretty.

​@@OptimalOwlagreed but I bet you OF will... She'll do great there I think

@@stankbox Nah. OF likes to publicize their highest-earning oars, but if you just divide the total payout by the number of oars, then it comes out to something like $1'500 per oar per year. That's less than you'd make working one shift per week at the federal minimum wage.

@@OptimalOwl agreed but show has a following now. Show would be popular I think. I would bet that she's a decent F

Every remote sales company over hires and keeps the good ones after a certain period, and being paid for months of no results she should be sending them a thank you letter. this isn’t a secret corporate magic😂 FYI she was also outed on being the bottom 4% of the company.

@@Kdot2x If that was the case, they shouldn't have had an issue telling her that...?

​@@LilLamb-headquartersthey offered to get back to her with the performance specifics. Of course, she answered it herself by admitting she hasn't closed a single account in her 4mo of employment... and yes, you can close deals during your ramp period, in fact you're expected to if you intend to keep your job after your ramp is over.

What should they care about? Good product? Good service? That IS the bottom line.

So why not say that we are letting your go because of low sales.

this. unfortunately thats how the corporate world works. he probaby had dozens of such calls that day.

She didn't close sales. Her employer isn't a charity.

watch the video again@@okigi-wo5zm

i would NEVER get into sales.

Sales is only the worst for people that don't put in the work to learn sales. Rockstar sales people can out earn virtually any other role when partnered with a good company.

@@JasonSpasoff never. the statistics are shit. sure the exception verifies the rule, and u gotta look the part too. pretty people obviously do well in sales, and even then they still aren't safe.

She made no sales in 4 months, useless...

She recorded herself being terminated. There is no company that would want to touch her.

​@@jsnbkr66 So the company has something to hide.

@@jsnbkr66 How is she never to be employed again? Being terminated is not a big deal. How do you think other people find another job?

@@JDintheDMV, do you NOT get the fact that she recorded the meeting WITHOUT disclosing it to the other parties (which, in many states is illegal) and then POSTED it to a very public forum? It's "gone viral" and thereby she is now VERY visible. No manager or company will want this headache on their hands. There are other options available; for every job she applies to there will be many other candidates who don't bring this baggage. She has put her resume on the "Do not touch with a ten foot pole" pile.

Apparently someone thought they needed them three months prior. That person made a bad decision, and should be fired.

The real failure is whoever was hiring reading her resume and not realizing that it translated into "I didn't make a single sale in 7 months at Snowflake, so they transferred me to existing accounts, and after 4 months of that I couldn't upsell existing customers on anything so I got the boot" and they hired her at Cloudflare. We can only guess at what Snowflake was thinking hiring former HR with a nontechnical degree as a salesperson for a technical product to begin with. She must be great at interviewing

Ramp up takes a long time. It can take people 6-9 to begin actively closing deals, especially in the Enterprise segment. Are you in Sales? Do you have any clue how this works or are you deciding to just blame the victim here because she's attractive?

@@cormacobroin you're making a lot of assumptions there partner. yes have sales experience. no assumptions made because her linkedin is public. she shouldnt have been hired in the first place. bad fit all the way around.

​@ab8817 some assumptions sure, have you worked in Enterprise Sales in Tech? It's a very different beast to many types of Sales

@@cormacobrointf are you on?

But she said her manager never complained on her so what was the problem she got fired ? and they couldnt even say why she got fired...

You typing this up on your iPhone? You ever go to Starbucks? Order from Amazon? Aight…

Weird they didnt say upfront to her your performance or sales didnt meet our demands isnt that strange ?

Thank you for your comment.

But her manager according to her didnt complain on anything so whats up with that ?

Get a grip. If you do not perform in a job, a relationship or in school. You lose. What lesson in life did you miss?

Imagine working in sales and not understanding that you are expected to actually sell.

​@@dr.bendover-mdsell immediately?

At least there is a freedom of speech. I cannot imagine to do this in the place where I live.

@@serapfiso4229 country?

I do think the manager should have been in on the call to give their perspective. With that being said, I'm taking everything she says with a grain of salt. She knows she's being recorded, so I can't take anything she says as genuine. It's like people who record themselves giving to the homeless, do we really think they genuinely are that kind all the time when they clearly are working to get views? The fact she says all her meetings have been going great means frankly nothing to me.

@@Trewq79 I agree.

All states except Montana are at will employment states, unless modified by contract. It’s outside the US that employment cannot be terminated except for cause or due to extenuating business circumstances.

Thank you for your comment with your thoughts, thank you for the clarification it will help other many employees here.

she is not passionate about right VS wrong. She is passionate about her own self and avoiding anything that is deemed as her fault. She admitted she has not closed out on a deal since she started 4 months ago. Last time I checked you are supposed to work for your money and not waste company time doing nothing. She is just entitled and blames anything that goes wrong in her life on other people. Every company does through ups and downs and people get hired and fired. It is called life. Don't get too attached to your company but you should be passionate about the actual work you are doing so you can take that passion and experience to your future company.

@adam7349 I can agree with alot of the things you have said. Thank you for your input, it helps me expand my thought processing. I appreciate you and your feedback :)

They fired 2.6% of their sales staff that quarter. That's lower than average sales churn. They can afford people fine, just not people who are producing zero output. Their stock is up 20% for the quarter. Their revenue is up 32% YoY, profit up 45% YoY. It's pretty much certain they have already hired her replacement and then some.