Just wanted to ask if the crisis team being able to shoot then move twice was correct as I thought it was only applicable on battle tactics?

Had a look there at the FAQ it can't be used twice after the CP cost modifier it goes and states the same thing for repeat strat usages

So basically GW wants people to stop playing with Crisis suits.

@@liamstewart3060 Ah good point, sorry I forgot about that part of it! I'll add that to the pinned correction and have deleted my last comment to avoid confusing people. Thanks for the heads up!

the strike teams weapons are the same, no changes.

You can still Legends rules him into a carnivore squad, so...

Bruh even 99% casual players still play on tournament rules nobody uses legends stuff

i just bought an aun shi at a flee market...ughhhhhh

@@MrShukaku1991 that's assuming the data sheet doesn't change to prevent him from doing that.

for sure, i liked him... would've needed a bit more lore as a diplomat, though and he did get a bit of a bad rep in the shovah books. That being said, they should just let him die. man is already far beyond normal age for a tau anyway. either that or make o'vesa's juvenat treatments more common

I remember my local gw manager telling me that lictors and genestealers were gonna get battleline in vanguard so you could bring 6 sets of each to build an army around lmao

Or how sub faction rules like chapter tactics wouldn’t go away? My iron hands sure are happy to have 1 gravis unit with a feel no pain. Just playing iron hand templars for the moment.

You know, I think that was supposed to be something that came over from AOS, but I also hear that is also a problem in AOS. So battleline/troops exist to make sure you are playing Chaff. Because without it, you basically have no reason to. However in AOS, there are too many ways to give good units that are not chaff Battleline. So I think we are seeing that they are trying to be more selective on who gets what with these 40k Detachments

Battle line just doesn’t really matter as much to most armies realistically

​@@notknightbeanI love losing battleline on all my phobos units and then having nothing in Vg Spearhead bring em back up

Yeah, the good old times when there were Iridium Battlesuit and others....

I miss the fusion blades

Everyone seems to have lost something. One could be forgiven for thinking this game is worse now. What have we gained in return? Balance? Faster games? I don't understand it.

Balance/ Faster Games is debatable - is it actually any more streamlined or have all the customisation options to make your army just been gutted out?

​@@urOSSIMthe latter

Me too. And the special rules for each type of crisis suit will change how you play crisis suits, which will be very interesting. Miss shield generators on all crisis suits, though.

i just want points fo weapons. not this powerlevel hidden with points BS

you were never forced to

Too bad it comes at the cost of not being able to construct 2/3 legal units out of 1 box of crisis suits...

I like this new system@@dicedoom7162

Potential good news - they're rumoured to have a kill team competing with swooping hawks.

@@clemo85 Kill team provides! Once, of course, gw remember we exist and release kill teams for preorder….

​@@clemo85Awesome. Now they just need to make kill teams for the 10 other auxiliary races and Tau might be a faction worth collecting

​@@teejay1646 they are already worth collecting but they would be the best army if they actually met the multiple race coalition that was promised when they became Tau empire

I misread that as “all of” and was so fucking confused on how someone can have such a hate boner for kroots for a sec 😂 personally I wouldn’t but i get u- shouldn’t be too long maybe latr 10th or a soon kill team release

I'm guessing he had the preview early, had this video ready to go, and the leak meant he got permission to drop this early. HUGE KUDOS though for all his insights and analysis!

He slept like two months ago

Bad news, Farsight is still garbage

it's to make up for the unit he goes with losing half its size and the extra wounds from shield drones.

What the

@@Pajamas.Tepanek And piranhas have higher toughness than broadsides.

What's with Krootox rifles always being weirdly strong? In DoW they hit harder than a Leman Russ' Cannon.

The kroot actually canonically have better warp engines than the imperium does, they're a pretty technologically advanced race. They choose to appear the way they do because its part of their traditional culture.

The kroot have comically better weapons on their sniper leader than the captain in phobos armor. I would kill for such a datasheet.

Because that's a dataslate rule, so it's theoreticaly only for matched play - more relevant, it's clearly a patch job and something they want to have the option of changing in the future.

This Codex was probably sent to print before 10e launched considering that’s a post-launch Dataslate rule change. …and if that makes you think “ok, if that’s the case why aren’t the rules entirely digital to make things simpler? Why mess around with printed books shipping with outdated rules?” The answer being…yes.

because it is a temporary rule, if in the future they no longer consider it a problem they will remove that restriction from the balance dataslate and that type of ability will work as written

Yes I think I will run way more stealths with this codex than crisis, I bet they're cheap enough to do them instead of crisis

You t5 vehicle have Deep strike.... Hit fast and hit hard and you can win puretide student!!

​@@jaimevilacastro4614 yea thank God the move shoot move strat is cheaper. We're gonna need it. Sunforge having the shield generator is helpful against vehicle have armies like Guard too

At least you wouldnt have to worry about that keywording for Crisis suits, since you cant double up on drones you can easily just take the gun drone and be okay. Hopefully the wording is different or they just immediately FAQ it

Most units will have a gun drone, so you’re mostly fine tbh.

from people who managed to get the box early, the wording is the same. I personally believe mont'ka will be errata'd to swap assault and lethal hits around. it makes a lot more sense that way.

@@Reqqles That actually makes a lot of sense. I could see that happening. I also could see the logic of pushing you to take more gun drones if you're in Mont'Ka because it's supposed to be a hyper-aggro fighting style. And the lethal hits buff allows you to proc more wound saves the more guns you're firing.

@@pstuart17 while I can see the logic of GW cramming gun drones down our throats, it would leave some units out like the riptide and ghostkeel. two units who would massively benefit from having assault on their guns

Nope, it's Greater Good. The Ethereals say so

Agreed, they're going to be a LOT squishier now, and will require the Retaliation Cadre to be viable as anything but mildly annoying glass cannons.

@@SarajevoKyoto For me the stealths looking now even more interesting than before, will use them more than crisis I guess

@@SarajevoKyotoThe sunforge will be fine (and probably popular) in all detachments. Even with the retaliation cadre starscythe and fireknifes will be very squishy, especially as they have to get very close to the the retaliation cadre buffs.

To be fair, they are also quite a bit cheaper now in points. About 20-30%, depending on the unit. And their special rules makes them more potent in that specialized role for the points invested. In addition, you can field up to a total of 9 units of Crisis Teams now. This makes your opponent spread their attention and lessen the impact of having a single, expensive unit get focused down.

Gw is marketing to the competitive crowd. They did not use the versatility of crisis suits. It was always the same thing.

Yep. I wish GW would stop pandering to them. Like, they're probably less than 5% of all 40k players; yet it seems every change in the game is dictated by their whims.

@@Pemmont107 I think a good solution would be to have a 4th dataslate "Crisis Team", no special rule but 2 weapons, 1 supp sys and 1 extra weapon/supp sys. No more than 2 of one weapon. remove cib and afp options as not in kit. 165 pts. Would allow those who have models glued to transition easier and we sacrifice the rule buff to hobby how we want to hobby.

Every army this edition is being gutted creatively to make room for simplicity.

@@user-sz8lp2tj5xseems to me the easier option there would be improve the sub-optimal options, not remove the favored one. Particularly for a faction that wasn’t even at a 50% win rate.

If your plan of building an army was linked to this factor then maybe it's better that it convinced you otherwise. Army should be collected because you love it, not because a wargear is strong

​@@Raku69Mpeople want their favorite faction to be strong shocker

@@Raku69Mimagine playing space marines without space marines.

But Tau still should be relatively strong. Crisis suits will just play different role on the board based on the detachement. I like the factor that whole playstyle will not cricle around taking as much crisis as possible. Last time I checked it was Tau empire not Crisis suits empire

Wah wah wah

They also took our drones, don't forget that. Those cheeky little flying discs giving out a 4+ invuln with a 4+ FNP save. I miss the days of single drones just shrugging off everything and the frustration from my opponent as I giggle like a schoolboy.

My Commander Sai'Ta'Ma will need to wait until the next edition for his time to shine with his Onagar Gauntlet.

Oh I hear ya I just got my codex today and saw the rules and became enraged at what they did with crisis suits. And you know they only did it to force people to buy more models. Invalidating the majority of peoples already built and painted crisis suits. they should at the very lease allowed them to be in units of 1 to mix and match but no now you need 3 of the same model with the same loadout

Nah don’t worry. The detachments are a better system. Unless you don’t fit into the pigeonholes that GW has artificially made. But then honestly, that’s on you.

I'm among the first to say 'to each their own' and such, defending subjective preferences, but no battlesuits in a Tau army is just wrong - it's like Orks with no dakka

They've clearly invested a huge amount of money into the kroot range and are trying desperately to get their money back when they realised that only about half of the Tau player base actually like them. Even fewer will be willing to pay the absurd prices they're demanding. So their solution is to destroy the rest of the range with bad rules so we're forced to play kroot or not bother with the faction. 10th edition is a joke man

@@MGShadow1989You’ve never heard of an Oops all Tanks army?

@@JumpyLemming22 - maybe with Imp Guard or even Space Marines, certainly not with Tau.

I think it is worded wrong, wouldn't its intention be for the entire army to have assault weapons in rounds 1,2,3 and lethal hits if it is guided?

If only the rules writer would remember to throw in "In addition,..." to the start of that final clause. That would solve the issue of ambiguous wording."

@@RavenAdventwings or just use bullet points or a proper list, like "During Rounds 1-3, you gain: a) b) and c) " etc

@@leovaegExactly!

Squighogs ignore modifiers to move/advance/charge, so they completely ignore that rule...

yes.

I guess we can be happy it is not the same artwork as LAST edition? GW loves to recycle cover artwork, it is annoying either way.

​@@darnokx9277 this artwork is fire though so I'll take it.

They did the same thing with the 'nids. One of my friends got a *really* good deal on the 9th edition codex when the 10th ed 'dex dropped.

@@PlasticAddict301 You are not wrong!

6, 7, 5, 5, 3, now 4

Wasn't the 3 for Dark angels though? They can also use regular marine ones so technically* get more than 3

6, 7, 5, 5, 3*, and T'au get 4. *actually 10, since it's just a supplement that stacks with the codex. Imagine Farsight Enclaves getting three detachments plus being able to use the four in the main codex.

on its on rn the montka detachment doesnt work, as a unit without assault cant be selected to shoot in the first place to then gain assault... theres no telling what gw intend when they cant be bothered to write proper rules. i doubt itll be fixed :[

@@Snaek1 nothing to fix imo - it's just a vaguely ambiguous wording that Auspex slightly misread, is all. It's fairly clear what it's intended to mean I think

Yes but with the ability to put them back in strategic reserves in Kauyon. They can use there infiltrators as if it's deep strike. You can also just deep strike them by just putting them in strategic reserve. Yes I know not the most ideal, but it can still be done, and since they're 60-120 points it isn't taking up much on your 25% strategic reserve limit.

@@PhillipOnTakosYou can never deepstrike the stealth suits. You can put them into strategic reserve put they have to be deployed near the edge of the board. Still an excellent unit and one that I'll be using.

@@rathstar the infiltrators ability cam be used in strategic reserve they clarified that in the latest balance update

@@PhillipOnTakos Only if it happens as part of a redeployment during the deployment step(before the first turn). For example if you use the Solid Image Projection Unit-enhancement(Kauyon) and immediately position them somewhere else on the board, you can deploy them using the Infiltration rule, because it is still the deployment step(this is what was clarified in the balance update). If they come in from strategic reserves(Wall of Mirrors Stratagem, Kauyon), they have to deploy as if they are reservers, with the rules that cover that(cant deploy in opponents deployment zone on turn 2 etc.). And since they do not have Deep Strike on their datasheet(neither does Shadow Sun or Ghostkeel), they have to deploy from a board edge. All that said, they do not need Deep Strike. Stealth Suits are already really good for what they do and for their cost. If adding Deep Strike would mean a 10-20 points increase(as it is a strong ability), I would rather be without.

And DA can use Codex detachments as well, meaning they technically have 9.

You can use the strategem on a unit with that enhancement because it allows you to use a strat again even if it's already been used. You still have to pay the CP for it though.

​@Tankshock55 I think the rules commentary says any time you use a stratagem more than once then it has to be battle tactic regardless if it's free or not

@@inqreview that applies to rites of battle 0CP strats

@@Tankshock55 it applies to any rule that allows you to use a stratagem more than once if it doesn't specify the stratagem. It's on the first page of the January balance dataslate

​@@Tankshock55Word for word from the balance dataslate: STRATAGEMS THAT CAN BE USED MORE THAN ONCE PER PHASE/TURN Rules that allow you to use a Stratagem even if another unit has been targeted by that Stratagem this phase or turn, but that do not specify the name of the Stratagem, can only be used to use Battle Tactic Stratagems.

The army as a whole kind of lacks infantry support that isn't Fireblade and devilfish for a couple of editions now. Loads of infantry could be really fun!

Super infantry heavy= kroot detachment You can also use montka without problem with infantry and take great advantage of assault weapons and lethal hits

Correct, that’s why the Kroot got two detachment rules

Partially correct. The Kroot themselves cant use the army rule(which is why the detachment offers two rules for them: Damage and survivability), but the Tau elements in the army still benefit(the elements that helps with punching holes in big stuff, which then triggers the damage buffs for the Kroot). A single unit of Pathfinders can guide 2 other units, making them very efficient if you only bring a few Tau units, and their special weapons and drones also give them options that can help the Kroot out. For things that help punch hole in stuff, we have Piranhas, Hammerheads and Skyrays for fast, cheap and heavy hitting. Broadsides hit decently hard as well, but are not fast, though you could use 3 units of 1 to help screen your deployment zone while the Kroot rush forward.

gw? fixing something obviously broken?

It doesn't look like it. So bring gun drones on everything you can (which was happening anyway since Marker Drones are still useless), but Hammerheads, Riptides, Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges are locked out.

@@ChickenSims Marker Drones are not useless. But only a few units would actually take them. That would be lone commanders(dropping alone, acting as spotters and objective stealers with decent damage) and Stealth Suits(they do not have Markerlights as standard). You will still put Gun Drones on most things(including the lone Commander and Stealth Suits, because being able to advance and do actions is very good for these roles).

Good

Breachers in fish + Skyrays + 1-2 small fusion crisis units w/commanders looks like a pretty solid list. Kroot for screening and infiltration game.

​@@chrisj9628 rampagers have potential as trade pieces, they're too fragile to be brawlers but between the mortal wound spam and the D2 attacks they're pretty dangerous.

you're a brave person to say all this out loud. Glad you did. I agree. As a Tau veteren who's played them since the very 1st day they came out in 2001, I can honestly say we've weathered worse. There are many new opportunities for powerful units in the new book, for those who wish to seek them. Flamers and Burst finally have a purpose again. Double fusion gun is back to being the king of reliable anti tank firepower. Loads of classic combos coming back to the fore. I'm looking forward to seeing the old 'deathrain' loadout with dual missile pods again. The Fire Knife suits can swap their plasmas for a 2nd Missile pod each. Missile pods are still 30 inches. Commanders can still take 4 of 'em. The entire unit gets lethal hits for 4 turns if you take the enhancement. There are lots of ways to get full re-rolls to hit in while in the Mont'ka detachment, plus the Focused Fire stratagem lets them get to ap 2 while ignoring cover if guided. Do that while screening out the backfield and flying away from anything that does get close. Whe've basically re-created the Broadside Missile pod bunker but with way more manueverability.

DoW made me love Kroots a lot. I wish I had the models now, but cannot justufy getting them at the moment. I'm thinking about proxying a big Lizardmen Dino from AoS into a Greater Knarloc or perhaps 3D printing one (if I can find a way to do that).

Just their detachment

Yeah, they feel gutted.

I glued my proxies with gun heads and arms thinking "I can change which gun represents which as I need to, but they've always had 3. This will be fine." So sorry y'all, it's clearly my fault

One of my most hated things, ripping apart models and refitting according to new rules/editions. Til I said I fuck it and refuse to do it anymore

Late to answer, but yes. The Rapid Ingress Stratagem(the thing you use Homing Beacon for) simply allows you to deploy your unit as reinforcement(with what ever rules they have for that, like Deep Strike) at the end of your opponent's movement phase, rather than at the end of your own(meaning they will be fully activated in your own turn, able to move etc.). So you can only deploy in the middle of the board, if the unit has Deep Strike.

Since those are forge world we will still be able to use their index versions I believe. They will not be going to legends if that's what you are worried about. That's my hope at least cause I want to run some yvara with the retaliation cadre.

No. The Markerlight keyword is simply an extra buff for when a unit spots a target. If the Observer has the Markerlight keyword(either built in or from a Marker Drone), the Guided unit partner ignores cover when shooting at the spotted enemy. The Pathfinder's ability to be an Observer for a second target is due to their special rule, not their equipment(Markerlights). For instance, the Strike Team and Breacher Team(and several other units) also have the Markerlight keyword from the start(meaning they can be decent Observers for other units if needed), but they do not get to spot 2 targets.

It does not have a stand alone model. You built one from the crisis suit box and since they limit them to just three suits it was almost guaranteed to go.

It’s still a shame it had to go tho

Well the Coldstar Commander buffs the movement to 12", so that is not really a problem. I have no problem with them removing the basic Crisis Commander, as it was not a standalone model. So for the sake of "cleaning up", it made sense. I still dont get why they keep the fortifications around though. Unless they plan to overhaul them in a major way for every faction, those datasheets are a waste of space. I would also love to see a rules update for certain units(like Firesight Teams) and a new basic character that can join Pathfinders and/or Stealth Teams.

Hahahahaha

It was my first thought too that that would be great but it doesn't work. The enhancement's full text has a "while this model is leading a unit" clause that locks out the firesight marksman

The answer, outside of one unofficial tournament, has always been "no daisy chaining". After getting a lot of people doing horrible things to the English language in an attempt to cheat, GW made an official statement forbidding daisy chaining in one of the Designer Notes accompanying the Balance Dataslate.

Thank you!

Tetras are "forge world" those units don't appear in the codex. Like the Manta or T'aunar supremacy suit. You can still play Tetras they have not taken them away. They're just not listed in the codex like any other forge world unit.

@@PhillipOnTakos Ah thanks

Breachers dont have Deep strike, They need to cross the battlefield in the transport and that it does not die in the first turns, starscyte gives you an anti-infantry alternative and its flamethrowers can be used in combat

I said honestly twice, you might as well just shoot me now

Kauyon its stealth focused detachment with enhancement to redeploy, sheanigans to back to reserves and trap objetive markers... You only need grab the right units who already have stealth, lone operative, infiltration in their data sheets

@@jaimevilacastro4614 ah right, fair enough

It's kinda feels like an "wild" edition, I mean.. Beastsnaggers, Kroot, new Tyranids, maybe the Astra will get some.. Catachan releases :D

Or in realy small matches you could save the points for another warlord and take him if you planned to take a hammerhead anyways.

He also had a better BS(3+ on his maingun). Paying 10 points extra for an extra BS on your mainweapon(usually a Railgun) was worth it in and of itself. But then you could also give Lethal hits to a secondary Hammerhead(armed with an Ion Cannon most likely) and benefit from that. He was definitely worth it, if you intended to take 2 tanks, and was also a potential option if you just wanted 1.

Terrible fixes for bad changes should not be praised. Hell, even OPR the game that sells itself as super simple 40k uses wargear costs. They had multiple ways of balancing CIBs they had used previously. But they decided to do none of those, and make one of the few model kits as flexible as the leman russ into 3 sheets with preset, barely changeable load outs. At least one of which you can't build out of the box. Furthermore, we are one of the most expensive armies to collect, specifically because battle suits are crazy expensive. Literally even GSC are cheaper per point. Nuking their usefulness and slashing the points along with it would put us at admech levels of financial cost.

@@mikek6298 I do not like wargear costs, so you are barking to the wrong tree, my friend.

@@JackDespero That's only one of the tons of options they had. They could have limited it to characters only, or one per suit, or one per unit, or actually balanced the gun, or literally anything besides the laziest and least fun option available to them

No, the kroot shaper have infiltration to be able to join the farslatlker

@@jaimevilacastro4614 That or as a solo character.

See I'm torn. ... ... ... I noticed the exact same thing. Wether it's by accident or design, GW have basically made it very easy for new players to start off playing with marines, learn the general ropes of 40k, then make an easy transition into playing Tau because now it's spelled out for them which units do what. "you see the Sunforge unit is very similar to Eradicators". "If you liked Eradicators then you'll love the sunforged.", etc. Phrased that way, I'd say it's a positive. But I see what you mean... It is a bit galling when you realise Battlesuits aren't as unique as you once thought. The only other thing I'll say is... maybe the reason GW made Eradicators, Aggrssors, Inceptors into seperate units in the 1st place is because it's just inherently better to have specialist units in your army than the generalist builds we used to make with ye olde tactical marine squad? There's a reason that Eldar have always done very well in every edition of the game. Every single 1 of their squads is highly specialised to do one thing really really well. That's just kinda their thing, 'cos of the Aspect Warriors. GW figured out that generalist squads often waste their firepower on the wrong target types, or split fire into 2 different units and only do chip damage to each, whereas a specialised unit will just kill their intended target out-right, no ifs, no buts. I've been playing Tau since they were 1st released in the year 2001 (yes I am that old :)P ), and over the last 20 years I've seen literally every Tau player start off thinking that infinite build variety is cool... until they take the wrong loadout to an actual game and get stomped and tabled. Every Tau player inevitably gravitates toward the same builds and loadouts. The ones that GW are using for the new Crisis Units. Old Tau players like me have basically been doing playtesting for GW for over 20 years now. We basically determined that these loadouts are the best ones to run, and frankly I'm glad that new players are finally being given a steer toward those units. They don't have to suffer the pain of making the wrong choice just because it looked cool, but actually doesn't play so well on the board.

The Star scythe is double the movement, double OC, higher strength on ranged weapons, has an easier to use/plan AP buff, more wounds, gets to fall back and still shoot, and has deepstrike. But yeah. Same thing basically. Lol there's plenty to complain about but rather than focus on that you made up a false equivalent. Wild. You're even complaining about points that don't exist yet - lol gotta make sure you tick every box on the "10th edition meltdown" checklist.

@@In_Purple_Clad i can understand that, although 9th edition prototype systems were just great for giving more variety of weapons. The only time I’ve ever ran an airbursting fragmention projector!

@@TheH0ffit also has worse BS. Worse Character Support, cant be taken in a 6 man Squad, has no meelee combat. has no twinlinked or blast has no S8 -2AP 2D Twinlinked Melee weapons, cant be supported by 2 Characters and have bigger bases with less toughness while being Vehicles instead of Infantry. But hey glad for you, you seem to like those changes 👍 On top of that; noone said they are the same - I said its a side grade, its comparable and if you dont see that then... Im sorry for you! 🙏 Ah also, voicing my opinion on an open platform is not having a meltdown, Shas'vre Shortsight. o7

Aggressors have less firepower. They either get 1 ranged weapon profile per model(flamer), or 2(gun+fraglauncher) while the Starscythes get 2 flamers and overall more shots and strength from their Burst Cannons(and you get to mix and match those weapons, if you want, rather than having to be an either/or choice). Sure, the Aggressor stuff is twin-linked and is definitely better in melee, but Tau still has roughly double the amount of attacks when it comes to flamers, and their burst cannons have higher strength(and can be utilized in different ways, depending on the detachment). Then there is the difference in mobility(including Deep Strike), durability(5 wounds with a shield drone, rather than 3) and OC, making them much better for getting to where they are needed and scoring. Not bad for just 20 pts extra. Very similar case for the Eradicator comparison. Only 1 ranged weapon per Eradicator(rather than 2) and less mobility(and no Deep Strike), but better melee and range on their weaponry. And Eradicators do not get a 4+ Invulnerable save, so they are far less durable. So to complete the "same job", you need a full squad of 6, meaning 190 pts(Sunforge is 160 pts). Inceptors are the closes comparison, since they can actually Deep Strike and have similar mobility. They do not, however, have a long range option(missile pods), so they will always be a mid/close range pick(their special rule also encourages this). With how easy it is for Tau to get sustained hits and lethal on select units(based on Detachment), I think the difference in price is ok.

Here's the thing with the old Crisis Suits ... ... ... as sombody who's played Tau from literally the 1st day they were released in 2001, the idea of infinite variety and unlimited loadout combos on your suits 'sounds' cool... until you play an actual game with them and realise you made the wrong loadout choice and are getting tabled by your opponant. I've seen that happen way too many times over the last 20 years. And over time all Tau players eventually gravitate toward the same few select builds that actually work - the ones that just so happen to be the ones GW are using for their new Crisis Suit units. Sidenote - there's a reason GW are using names like 'sunforge' 'fireknife' and 'starscythe' for the new Crisis Suit units. There's a reason you'll see veteran Tau players like myself using terms like 'the deathrain loadout' and 'the Helios build'. Those names are iconic and much loved within the Tau community, because WE came up with those names! We, the Tau community of old. Go to the forums of the early 2000's, and you'll see the original Tau players testing lists and theory crafting and reporting on wins and losses and coming up with these exact same loadouts. They've stood the test of time and remained viable throughout each edition, so we gave them cool names. Names that GW have officially cannonised now. I'm reading loads of comments from new players who are relieved GW have finally done this with the Crisis Suits. The old suits were way to intimidating for them, the choice paralysis was overwhealming, and the app made selecting the wargear for each suit a tedious nightmare. Overall I'm very glad GW finally did this. I've been asking them to do exactly this kind of change for over a decade now (yes I am that old 😝)

​@@In_Purple_CladI've not seen a single person claim that crisis suits are overwhelming. I've only ever seen the opposite, especially in 10th. People love crisis suits for their flexible utility, not their best gear. And if that's your opinion, then do you think we should also get rid of every single leman russ except the demolisher and punisher, and we should take away their ability to choose sponsons and top guns? Frankly I don't care about 20 year old theory crafting or what the common gear has ever been. I wanted literally any customization, especially in this edition. I can customize my units more in OPR now. Do you understand how comically upsetting that is? The paired down simple version of the game is less paired down and simple than these crisis units

@@mikek6298 Seems OPR will have quite the influx of players. That and people going back to 9th edition 4Ok - the heyday of variety and customisation. Genuinely nothing wrong with that. I've got friends who swear by 5th & 6th edition. For them that's when 40k peaked, and they're genuinely uninterested in all the new-fangled changes brought about by 8th. I happily play with them on special occasions. It's a blast. :) Same reason I play Horus Heresy with 'em as well. It's basically 7th edition 'done right'. There's no stigma in sticking with the edition that's right for you. Honestly I encourage it. What I will say is; the people who like the 'build-a-bear' Crisis suits tend to be a specific type of person. The kind who 'has' to create something that feels unique and personalised and special to them... even if in reality they're mading the exact same choice as everyone else. I think that's the heart and crux of the matter. Gundam games and Armoured Core games and 'build-a-bear' Crisis suits appeal to that specific type of player... and from what I've seen over 20+ years, they drive away the other types of player who get intimidated by choice overload. Or just wanna run something that 'looks' cool and sounds good in their head, but then accidentally get burned because they made the wrong choice. Customisation also doesn't mean anything to the 3rd type of player either- the ones who just want to skip to the end and use the best loadouts, 'cos they care more about winning games/ being on an even footing with their opponants. Basically I'm describing the 'Johnny', 'Timmy' and 'Spike' personality types made famous by Magic the Gathering players. Tau Crisis suits were always made with 'johnny' type players in mind, but their sheer level of customisation could be confusing/ uninteresting to 'Timmy' and 'Spike' type players. That's the best way I can describe what's happening now. GW are 'trying' to widen the appeal and make Suits interesting to all 3 player types. But I'll understand if they've removed too much of the customisation aspect. I understand that 'feeling' like you made a choice is still increadibly important. To Everyone, but especially to 'Johnny' type players, which to me it sounds like you are. [edited for spelling and grammar]