He annealed it wrong, you have to wait for the metal to cool down. This makes it actually soft and playable. What he did was quenching in water, which in essence just makes the metal harder.

@@marbrose4804 just realized my mistake. oops

@@foreveryoung7582 you should try making a spoon ring

@@masterkeexd9532 that's actually one of my next projects!

Dude I can literally make you an origami ring out of a dollar bill! PSA: DON'T BURN MONEY! Hahaha! Seriously though you can make a ring with paper money!

Wow right on! I appreciate the kind words :) Enjoy getting into coin rings! It is an extremely addictive hobby for sure.

I made that video a while back. It is called Forged coin ring making for beginners

I think you just want free shit. Naw lol son.

Yeah the press is pretty cheap if you get one at harbor freight. The dies are the expensive stuff. I have most of the stuff including dies and the press was easily the cheapest.

You don't need the ring sizer tools a drift pin and torch to keep the coin soft just be gentle with the hammer. Get the rubber mallet from harbor freight

Railroad iron, hammer, drill and rattail file. You're welcome 😊

Lol. Making these things without the 'proper' tools, IS very labor intensive. My first ones took 3 1/2 hours of pounding with a mallet to fold over and increase size and using a doming block in my vise to reduce sizes.

@@johnharden5720 I don't have a clue what you said😂. Don't think I could do it right even with the proper tools

Don’t give this man a gold metal he will just turn it into a ring bahahahaha 😆

He would have to make the medal himself, I think!

Dang! I'd like to run into one of those!

Kidding?

Was your girlfriend impressed?

@@nihlhinz488yea, it's her favorite restaurant

@@killingtime669 No, it's called Timmy's Wok, look it up. I just don't understand how you put in a metal quarter and a plastic ring comes out... I'm working on it...

Look elsewhere

Well, you're half right. The way you describe it is how it works for steel. For silver, as well as for copper, the annealing process works just as well whether you cool it slowly or quickly. The way annealing works is that the cristalline structure of the atoms is "relaxed" through the heat, and dislocated atoms (which otherwise lead to hardness) align themselves into the structure. In the case of steel and other ferrous metals, the structure (or "phase") they take on at high temperature is a different one than they have at room temperature. A slow cooling process allows it to transition from one to the other (thus having a nice, aligned and soft structure), while a quick quench "freezes" the "wrong" cristalline structure in place, leading to tension in the metal and thus hardness. I presume that silver takes on the same structure anywhere below it's melting point, so rapidly cooling down just keeps the softer, realigned structure in place. Though that last part is an educated guess, as an engineer I can talk a lot about steel, but didn't learn much about precious metals.

@@rockyblacksmith Not doing any research and shooting from the hip I feel then if the quench does nothing other than cool it down then wouldn't it be better to allow it to slowly cool and start working it while it still has some heat because I feel whatever potential for distortion you would encounter would easily be compensated for with a softer mallet/strikes which could potentially reduce the overall distortion compared to working it cold but if nothing else allow for greater precision with the material while requiring less energy and preventing fatigue from causing certain mistakes.

@@ronmcqueen4284 Working the metal while it's hot would require less force, true. But that is offset by the fact that handling a hot piece of metal is far more cumbersome than handling it at room temperature. And having worked with silver since writing my previous comment, I can tell you it's pretty soft as is, so there is no real need for working it hot.

You are working with steel

Put finished ring on the mandrel and tap the ring towards the larger end, stretching it. Use a wooden mallet. Turn ring 180 often.

Still has a tendency to spin when drilling

Jonathan Campbell quicker with a small hammer lol

can you make a video of this?!?!

Jonathan Campbell you are correct sir. Everyone is using these CoinRing tools to make rings these days. NOBODY is using a spoon and a month to make CoinRings these days. Sure, I’ve tried it. Realized after 2 hours and not much progress, I need to buy some tools

Kormatoes I have used a chasing hammer to make it go faster, but it is difficult to keep it round and even.

Robert Butcher There are advantages to using the spoon method: 1) It is an incredibly annoying and passive aggressive way of driving a roommate crazy 2) It is the only way to get the words from both sides of the coin to appear on the inside of the ring. 3) Other than drilling out the middle, it requires no tools except a spoon. 4) It is a labor of love just from the sheer amount of time spent tapping the coin and shaping it. 5) The smooth outside can be engraved and the inner portion between the words of the coin can be engraved. Of course the disadvantages would be 1) It is incredibly annoying to tap the coin for months 2) It isn’t feasible to make a ring this way for profit.

Or you could just make it out of something that doesn't put you at risk of committing a federal crime for destruction of federal property. Filming the destruction of US money and posting a video of committing a felony is just stupid.

@@davidulmer9774 lol. Sad, but true. But, he's just offsetting inflation cause by Biden's massive $1.9T paper money print. It's only a quarter, but every little bit counts. lol

@@robertzeurunkl8401 True. It is still, but seriously I was just joking around.

@@davidulmer9774 Yeah, I totally understand. ;-)

Looks like someone cut a 2 inch EMT coupler in half lol.

@@robertkywildcats9266 It's 1-1/2". It is marked on the coupling.

Wow ! I'm so impressed with your limitless knowledge ! You have proven how superior your intellect is to everyone else !

I totally agree! So the drill makes sense because that's a lot cheaper than some expensive press. But i guess according to this dude everyone has some expensive drill bit, some expensive random sizer and dyes laying around that sizer thing that gradually gets bigger as you go down the shaft i dont have one nore would i even be able to guess where to find one

You guys are kidding.... You're expecting to do this with no tools? Pray for an increase in minimum wage.... You're both obviously going to need it. My nephew makes these. He's in Middle School. He works at small jobs and generally buys his tools without asking anyone for anything.....

@@nothankyou5524, ha ha ha go flaunt your riches elsewhere. As for no tools no idiot i have basic tool wrenches, sockets, screw drives, punches, and some power tools as well as for your son im sure he has alot more to spend on tools then a divorced father of two. With two children that he has to pay child support on. You know being that hes a child who lives with mommy and daddy and eats their food, no rent, no real expenses?! Yeah thought so shut your mouth and consider not everyone has the cookie cutter life like you my kids lived in some of the wrost neighborhoods you can think of maybe you might have heard of some of them Ferguson mo. The "warzone" nm. We went to bed hearing gun shots and sirens your little bastard probably lived in a mansions in Hollywood or that really nice castle in the middle of the woods. Moral being yes I am poor yes I may not have an extensive tool collection like how you probably do. But I don't sit there and criticized anyone who was not brought up my way and try to make other people feel bad for being poor.

costs a couple bucks.

Cast........they make steel ones as well. DD

You don't need a ring sizer you can use a drift pin. And the unibit he uses can be picked up anywhere. Harbor freight puts them on sale every couple of months

you can make a coin ring with just a coin and spoon. I have made one before. google it.

Check with the shop teacher at your local high school, they might lend a hand with some of it.

Right on I'm glad you are getting value out of the videos!

With metal it's usually called malleable.

Right on! I started out selling mine for $15 each so you're doing great.

Steel, yes. Non ferrous metals, no :)

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint Annealing is done to relieve the hardness of cold working. Just as it is being done in ferrous metals, by subjecting the alloys to heat at a specific temperature and then allowing it to cool slowly to room temperature. the slow cooling allows full precipitation of the constituents and produces a refined microstructure. You are tempering the metal when quenching.

Only in this video.

I was taught 55 years ago that to anneal copper washers you had to heat it to cherry red and let it cool naturally. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?

@@colincrooky Nope

With some metals if you quench too soon after heating the metal will get brittle and sometimes crack 🤷

@@RedRedux Annealing is the reverse of hardening. No quenching! Slow cooling.

It's a bar clamp, they're like $8-$12 or less. You could use vice grips or pliers or your foot. Use your imagination for tool selection and not snarky questions.

After re-reading, I realized you may be joking, if so, well done!

LMAO

HA!!!

@@prescottmajette5290 I thought you really were mad about me asking.

I think that only applies if you intend to pass it along as currency after alteration.

@@elli003 defacing or destroying u.s. currency is illegal

@@gregsmith141 Congratulations Greg Smith, you got the double entendre'.

@@elli003 ok smart ass defacing is to cut a piece off and its still useable destroying is to make it unusable no double entendre

@@gregsmith141 what he's doing isn't illegal

G'day Adam, It depends on the metal that's being treated. Steels are hardened by heating up to red and then quenching, but on copper, and it's alloys (Brass etc), it has the opposite effect making it very soft. It's how you treat copper and brass sheet for making hammered hollow ware. Cheers :)

38 dollars for the die, and 38 dollars for the anvil.. Thats the only 2 jason products he used.. so 76 dollars.. i be you spent more than that on dinners last month. its only expensive because you cant see how this benefits you more than eating out or going to the bar. Once you have these 2 you can do rings and sell them which then they become FREE tools.

@@N0body247 Since 76 dollars isn't much for you, would you mind sending me the tools on your expense. Thank you so much.

@@PeterWraaeMarino Or you can figure out a way to adjust your spending and save enough to make that purchase. you dont have an income problem you have a budget problem. You have a computer.. im sure it cost more than 76 dollars, phone... same thing.. The only difference is.. this makes you money. They others just make life easy. 76 isnt much.. when you realize you have other stuff that costs more. Maybe sell the computer and buy the tools. Prob solved. you either want to make money.. or make excuses.. you cant do both.

Then what?

But this isn't how it's done lol

@@stephanieo6252 looks like 1 way. I'll have to check out a different way.

And doesn't know how to anneal metal. He quenched it in water which is how you lock the hardness to anneal it you have to cool it slowly.

He doesn't use any specialty tools, just shit you have in your dad's garage. Not really sure why you're made as it's pretty much impossible to do any kind of craftsmanship like this without tools.

@@haven1048 I don't think many people have the resizing die.

Expensive vs specialized....umm; okay class, whoever finds the difference 1st gets a smiley face sticker...go!

@@DanKoning777 yeah... But since he used a specialized, AND (his words) expensive die at the end of the video to size the goddamn thing... You... can go fuck your hat. 👍

Soft material on the mallet head (rawhide) for the initial shaping. Lubricant and a specialty shaped die for the reducing. During the step with the anvil in the tube, most of the force was on the top/bottom so the sides stay clean.