People proved not everyone is aweful afterall. The aweful ones make the world worst, violence only creates more aweful people.

@@jesse2535 Yeah, what sucks is the very few people that are genuinely awful cause so much damage that it creates a really bad heuristic in everyone's minds. Humans are capable of beautiful acts of kindness, and most of us are genuinely good people.

Except the following summer, people did exactly what this movie showed after that George Floyd incident.

this movie, more specifically, Hildur Guðnadóttir’s music, saved me.

eat the rich

I love the joker he my top villain l fell şad for him and his bucksotry too keep going ❤ iş amzing

I love that part about the Joker too. But while there are no true backstories, there are false ones. As great as this movie is, simply the age difference between Joker and Bruce make this one impossible.

​@@timokampwerth1996The age difference doesn't rule out the possibility of this story being true. Arthur is mid 30s ish and Bruce was 10-12 so there's not that much of an age difference.

@@passionsquietrage I don't remember if Arthur's age was ever explicidly stated but Joaquin Phoenix was 45 when the movie came out and he was made to look his age, if not older. When i watch the movie and i see Arthur, I done see a 30-something, I see a man beaten down by time. If Arthur is actually supposed to be in his mid-30's, then Phoenix was hillariously miscast. to a Quite frankly riddiculous degree. But even if that's true, there's still around a 25 year difference between the two. so when Bruce becomes Batman in his mid to late 20's, Joker would be well into his 50's.

@@timokampwerth1996 That's still not a huge age difference and I don't see how that's a problem.

@@passionsquietrage You don't see an issue with Joker being anywhere between 55 if he's in his mid 30's and 65 if he's in his mid 40's when Batman becomes active? There's still some time that goes by between Bruce becoming Batman and them first meeting. So, realistically, we're talking about an age of anywhere between 60-70. There's never been much doubt for me that Joker is somewhat older than Batman but not a Senior Citizen.

She's obviously talking about the overall mythos. She knows this Joker is in the 80s. She also knows the Joker is a character far larger than any iteration of himself.

Beat me to it

She might be aware of the DC multiverse.

​@@pseudonymousbeing987she was ask8mg when he got the scars

@@pseudonymousbeing987nobody knows the real truth about this movie… some people think that this movie isn’t the Joker from Batman, others say it is. I know that the “Joker” name was used for marketing purposes, but if it actually isn’t the Joker from Batman… it’s easy for them to think that it is

She commented on that when he was practicing putting the gun under his chin, obviously he was originally planning on killing himself. Then latter on before the show she said he was going to blow Murray's brains out, she was right.

Let me share some insight on men back in the 60s/70s. They would never send a signed photograph with a comment about a woman’s attractiveness back in the day if they were NOT intimate with a woman or chasing that woman to be intimate 🙃😃

@ColetteCherry I'm sorry but how exactly would you know that? What's more plausible is that she made up a whole scenario that her and Thomas Wayne had an affair and had Aurther simply because he gave her an autograph and a compliment on her smile. It's possible that she became obsessed with him after that and proceeded to make claims about the two of them, which is what multiple characters claimed.

@@ColetteCherry yes, because you have so much experience with men in the 60s and 70s

@@ColetteCherry you might be correct but still Arthur was adopted so even if his mother was intimate with TW, Arthur isn't bro to Batman

​@@ColetteCherry That's the most pretentious response you could've given

@darkdg4106 i knew it the "that's Life" and Spoiler for Joker 2 ( do you know that there is a song in joker 2 called " that's life" )

You do see that the one thing Arthur has a gift for, is crime. He's a natural with a handgun, he's good at sneaking into places and at exploiting chaos to his ends.

they're not. Arthurs mother was insane and lied about having relations with a large figure and told him he was his father his whole life.

@chadfalardeau5396 it might be my best movie of the year ( am so excited about it by today its 150 days left )

Hi! the movie does not say that at all in my opinion. Actually him finding the photo proves THOMAS could be the father ! It leaves it open! Or else it’s a complete waste of screen time to show The joker finding the sweet photo of his mother signed from TW. Obviously they were intimate together… he wrote to her.,.

@@ColetteCherry I see this Photo more as the point of Origin. Her delusion either ran so deep that she faked the note, though not likely, or this was what started her obsession. His mom was mentally ill. That, the movie leaves no doubt about. Same with Arthur's adoption. She adpoted Arthur and convinced herself that he was Thomas' son. The only question that remains is whether or not the affair was real.

@@ColetteCherry To Put it simply, Arthur's mother worked at TW's house, when she got a boyfriend, they adopted Arthur which is proved to be there adopted son because of the "they made me sign some papers" dialogue, and later she declared TW as his father because she was obsessive and schizophrenic.

@@turbulentmind2044 Even that is suspect, as Thomas Wayne is rich, powerful, and a bit shady. If 16 year old Thomas had an affair with the babysitter/housekeeper in 1950, abortions would be difficult to obtain, and his parents would not allow a child from a torrid affair to get in the way of young Thomas taking over Wayne industries. The parents would do everything in their power to hide it, and to avoid paying the mom to be quiet. This would include forcing Arthur's mom hospitalization into mental hospitals where electroshock therapy, daily beatings, and lobotomies were quite in fashion and common at the time. Arthur's mom could have been quite normal and just wanted to stay with Thomas Wayne, and been committed against her will and then fried and drugged. As for the adoption papers, they clearly state that the child was unknown, and labeling young Arthur as an orphan while falsifying paperwork so that his own mom could not claim to be his real mother and by extension have a claim that Thomas Wayne impregnated her would be simplicity itself. There was no such thing as genetic testing for parental proof back then, and would not be available to poor, crazed, mental patient anyway. As for the abuse, his mom was clearly a junkie for a long time, addicted to drugs either intentionally by the hospital under Wayne's parent's orders, or just because the mental hospitals did not care if you were an addict when they got rid of you. So long as your medicated self was no longer a threat. Whatever happens after you leave is society's problem, until you come back. And the mom's records indicate that she came back several times, and that she abused Arthur in her drugged out frenzies. Likely because she saw him as the source of all of her problems. I can tell you are not very old. Young people have no idea what a person's name meant back then. A child out of wedlock would be a huge scandal, and a child out of wedlock with the maid would do terrible things to Thomas Wayne's career before it even got started.

@@ColetteCherry I think you're on to something there Colette, the joker kills his mother based on a lie that she and her boyfriend were abusive to him, which he has absolutely no memory of, and then he finds that photo which shows she and Wayne obviously had feelings for each other. The Joker and Batman could very likely be half brothers, what a plot twist.

Yes your ritht here

Joker was right. Think about it, only people who made others suffer throughout their life's and got away with it finally became the victim for once.

Sociopaths DO have emotions and care about people. You’re getting confused with Psychopaths. The problem Sociopath’s have is that they have TOO much emotion.

Even psychopaths have some spectrum of emotions varying from nothing in extreem cases to some to normal amount of emotions. The illness is so complex.​@@thomaskilroy4573

He has all the classic symptoms of disorganized schizophrenia.

Yeah but he is psychopath by the end of the of the movie.

@@JohnPaul-rs5dr I don't think thats how it works.

Arthur has sociopathic tendencies that are fully realised by the end of the film, he killed those three guys on the subway, chasing down the last one, without any regrets. He killed the guy in his apartment but let the little guy go, again no remorse.

​@@4Kandlezyes they so mean to him tho

​@@JohnPaul-rs5drYou are born a psychopath, you can't turn into one, only a sociopath.

The photo is proof. Why would they show us that photo that Thomas Wayne wrote to the mom “you are so beautiful”… you think they just wanted to throw that in there just cause??🫠🫠🙌🏻

​@@ColetteCherryThe photo is only seen from Arthur's point of view, which has already been established as unreliable. All it shows is that Arthur himself considers the matter proven. He might be right, he might be wrong and he might be imagining it wholly or in part. We have no way to know for sure.

All it shows it that Thomas and Penny had been acquainted. He was a celebrity, and she was obsessed with him. It's possible he was being gracious with her. It's also possible he was a total scumbag and took advantage of her and used her and threw her away. That still doesn't prove she had his baby.

​@@ColetteCherry I have never heard about photo's being used as paternity tests unless there is an extreme like-ness between parent and child. You're kinda reaching with that one.

@@benkelly2024 even though Aruthur's pov is unreliable, I have a feeling that the mother wasn't lying. He' only imagines things with people who don't truly see him or know he exists. His mother accepted him for who he was, so there was no need to imagine another reality since she was always kind to him, and he trusted her. That only changed after he got the records. A lot of politicians get into trouble with having women on the side. Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger...who found out or rather we found out he had a child with someone other than his wife that used to work for him many years later. I think they tarnished her image and made her out to be crazy because who would have really believed her? It's also just a fun play on Bruce's father as well because we automatically think he was this stand up guy, but that might not have been the case.

Angelina Jolie, Brie Larson, Natalie Portman...

That's not Batman's sole MO. He does protect Gotham because he can and it's the right thing to do, but to compare them it's apple and oranges. Him and the Joker. Feeling sorry for this Joker yeah can't help but feel it

"Someone made fun of me" in no way justifies murdering a person, please seek therapy

And the thing is: He planned killing himself during the show, but Murray being an asshole AGAIN made him chance his mind.