Comparing the B&T APC to the GHM (What are the differences?)

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The Texas Gun Vault

The Texas Gun Vault

Жыл бұрын

This is a video I made to help answer a question I get a lot. Which is better and/or which do I recommend? The B&T APC or GHM? Well, there are many differences and the biggest often cited is the price. So is the quality any different? Do they shoot the same? Are the ergonomics different? Well, these are my thoughts and I do my best to answer all those questions.
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@christofrini
@christofrini 2 ай бұрын
Great review. One thing that I don’t think you touched on is that the GHM9 seems to have been built from the ground up with the aftermarket in mind. The APC9 doesn’t allow you to swap handguards or barrels, the GHM9 does (whether they’re actually in stock anywhere is a separate issue). Plus, the fact that the GHM9’s buffer is on the bolt means that the stock assembly / receiver endcap is so much easier to manufacture, allowing for third party support. If you don’t feel like shelling out $600 for a stock, you could always buy a third party 1913 adapter and throw your preferred 1913 stock or brace on it and come out MUCH cheaper than you could ever get an APC9. As I see it, the only practical differences between the APC9 and GHM9 are that the GHM9’s charging handle reciprocates, its receiver is slightly longer, and the optic rail sits about 1/2” lower. I wholeheartedly agree with you that the APC9 might be a touch better, but in no way is it $800 better - you put it well in saying that the APC9 is only really worth it if you want to be able to say you own the flagship model.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 2 ай бұрын
I agree 100%! You make some great points.
@rollingdonut
@rollingdonut Жыл бұрын
What I learned from this video is that I should definitely buy both guns…
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
That's a good choice
@continuinglife99
@continuinglife99 Жыл бұрын
you must be rich man
@ryanmnorstadt3264
@ryanmnorstadt3264 Жыл бұрын
I went with the GHM45 and love it. Zero complaints.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Great choice! Congratulations!
@karinmcmillan7398
@karinmcmillan7398 Жыл бұрын
GHM 45 is a gem. Got mine 6 months ago with telescoping brace and Obsidian can, Holosun 507c ACSS Vulcan on mount. It is so choice :)
@kompletevisionentertainmen371
@kompletevisionentertainmen371 Жыл бұрын
I had my eye on one but the cost of the magazines YEEESH
@973newarkavelli9
@973newarkavelli9 8 ай бұрын
Im trying to look for one lol
@CrazyhorseBuschMaster
@CrazyhorseBuschMaster 7 ай бұрын
Does the GHM45 take apc 45 mags?
@dietervmorgan
@dietervmorgan 8 ай бұрын
Was focused on the APC this changed my mind. Subscribed!
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 8 ай бұрын
I am glad I could help. Both are great guns though.
@19mm58
@19mm58 Жыл бұрын
Nice review. Thanks Jason
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@dentonaguam2742
@dentonaguam2742 Жыл бұрын
Great info … picking up a ghm soon ! Thx !
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I am jealous!
@sumeshkuriakose
@sumeshkuriakose Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason, I have an GHM Gen-2 with Glock lower, love the aspect of changing to an aftermarket pistol grip..Rainier got a pre-covid time deal for 1200ish .. Thanks Thanks
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome! The Gen. 2s are awesome
@aStranger_
@aStranger_ 8 ай бұрын
One looks like a mini thompson the other a mini ump. Love it.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 8 ай бұрын
They both have great looks no doubt.
@pranc236
@pranc236 3 ай бұрын
Same feeling i got from both of them op!
@alphakevinmullermilch9135
@alphakevinmullermilch9135 6 ай бұрын
Great Video, i bought the SPC 9 and i love it
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 6 ай бұрын
Good choice! It is a great gun!
@randallchuck6376
@randallchuck6376 Ай бұрын
Your videos are the most practical and informative on KZfaq. Thank you for your effort. You helped me make SP5K and MPXK purchases. Now I keep moving toward B&T for the 45-caliber choice.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for you very kind words!
@Topnotch_jigs_
@Topnotch_jigs_ Ай бұрын
Think I gotta sell my ass though really really expensive but I’m sure it’s really worth it
@chrisvonahnen3578
@chrisvonahnen3578 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive presentation 👍
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@carwizard3672
@carwizard3672 11 ай бұрын
Great video! Subscribed
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 11 ай бұрын
I am honored you enjoyed it.
@Dustin732
@Dustin732 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@pranc236
@pranc236 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, was really wondering about the differences. Still leaning apc but im also still researching. I only ended up looking at b&t because of the longer barrel but quality is keeping my attention.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 3 ай бұрын
I am glad I was able to help you out a little.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel Жыл бұрын
Very cool ones
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Yes they are
@user-xy9ix8jm1k
@user-xy9ix8jm1k 5 ай бұрын
Fascinated by both of these and the SP5 - carbines own my interest. I know a lot about manufacturing and you make great points about the different complexities, machining, etc. My guess on the price difference is "MIL-Spec" versus Consumer spec. Just like the SP5 running on the exact same production lines as the MP5, my guess is the APC9 runs on the same lines to the same spec as the SCW9. That would easily account for $1k up charge - your additional payment is buying the Mil-spec.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 5 ай бұрын
You are probably right. But also remember that many civilian things are better than the mil-spec stuff.
@lawrenceivyjr.300
@lawrenceivyjr.300 Ай бұрын
Great video, I own both the APC9 Pro Glock model and GHM9 Glock model as well. When I was doing my research into B&T I thought that I had read that the difference between the two is that the APC9 is full-auto rated and the GHM9 is not. The APC9 was designed to run full-auto, that’s why it was adopted by the U.S. military. This may be why they are priced differently.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын
It could be. I think I have seen FA GHM9s though.
@chupacabrapr
@chupacabrapr Жыл бұрын
nice thanks1
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Welcome 😊
@danc.3899
@danc.3899 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the great review. I actually like the aesthetics of the GHM better. The extra height of the APC makes it look a bit blocky/bulkier. All beautiful though.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын
Thank you so much and I am glad you enjoyed the video.
@ericb.4358
@ericb.4358 6 ай бұрын
Hmmmm... GHM. I'll look into that model.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 6 ай бұрын
I think you will like it.
@81mrsmitty
@81mrsmitty 4 ай бұрын
I bought a spc9. Like it so much I am considering a ghm9 or apc9. Though I might just go for a second spc9
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 4 ай бұрын
All are good choices.
@RollingArtDesigns
@RollingArtDesigns Жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to go with the GHM9 with the Glock Mag Lower as my go to Truck Gun to compliment my Glock 19 CCW Sidearm!
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
That is a great choice!
@Richard_Cranium_Daily
@Richard_Cranium_Daily 5 ай бұрын
Hey Jason, I like your content and subscribed. I recently purchased a GHM9 Gen 2 with the 6.9” barrel. I think the 6.9” has a better look than the 4”, not to mention better accuracy and grip and attachment room. I bought the telescoping brace with Gearhead Works Tailhook (yikes $600). As I understand the Gen 2 takes AR-15 replacement grips. Is that true?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 5 ай бұрын
Yes it is true and thank you for your kind words. I am glad you enjoy my channel.
@andrewsteele7663
@andrewsteele7663 Жыл бұрын
Good morning, Jaason, you do have some groovy gear. If I ever get to Texas, I hope you let me look at a couple, just joking. Cheers
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I would love to have you visit and we could go to the range
@andrewsteele7663
@andrewsteele7663 Жыл бұрын
@@thetexasgunvault we would need a ute load of ammo, Cheers
@CA.0verview
@CA.0verview Жыл бұрын
Dose the APC .223 pro have a softer recoil than the gen 1 ? The way you describe the APC vs the ghm?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I don't think it is supposed to but it does. Both use the same buffer system
@slkfjariao
@slkfjariao Жыл бұрын
Ghm9c is where its at... I think the price gets to 2300+ one day
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
It probably will. But I think they are trying to keep the price down
@davedave2941
@davedave2941 7 ай бұрын
GHM has a better line of upgrade options say you want a SD conversion kit the GHM is way easy - the APC you have to purchase a completer APC9/10/45 as a SD weapon. Other than that from design standpoint they share a 80% parts commonality and this is a interesting point as most departments / agencies/ militaries had specified in requirements requests (should B&T be awarded a substantial contract) those requirements are met.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 7 ай бұрын
Very good points and good information. Thank you.
@kmb96
@kmb96 Жыл бұрын
Do you think it would be best to get a ghm 45 and then an apc9 SD? I want to get the SD sometime in the next year or so but I found a ghm45 for about 1300 and I don’t have a .45 yet and it seems like a good deal
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I think that is a good plan. The B&T 45s are good
@kmb96
@kmb96 Жыл бұрын
@@thetexasgunvault the only thing that’s weird is that the mags for the ghm45 are 100 buck apiece even though the regular 9mm mags are I think 35-50 bucks
@Wachpwnski
@Wachpwnski 3 ай бұрын
The problem is they sell the APC9 to the government, so they can't drop the price for civilian markets. They are the same quality, different implementation that they wouldn't use for a MIL bid.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 3 ай бұрын
I didn't think about that. Great observation!
@ryanguldbrandsen7672
@ryanguldbrandsen7672 2 ай бұрын
I've seen the apc9 pro selling for 1624 recently. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@Embarrassed4U
@Embarrassed4U Жыл бұрын
My GHM9 has been a jam-o-matic.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry to hear that. Is it is generation 1? Are you using hollowpoints? Have you contacted B&T?
@Embarrassed4U
@Embarrassed4U Жыл бұрын
@The Texas Gun Vault Reloaded second generation, sent it in, and they "fixed" it, and yes, but it jams on flat nose subsonic rounds and jammed on some underpowered ammo which is to he expected. The main jam problem was actually fixed by putting a scorpion lower on it.
@Digitally007
@Digitally007 9 ай бұрын
@@Embarrassed4U yooo you can put a scorpion lower on it ?? That’s cool Any mods needed other than just getting the lower
@raym9189
@raym9189 Ай бұрын
My GHM has buzz sawed though ammo and never jammed once, the quality is outstanding
@totovolpe
@totovolpe 5 ай бұрын
Could you show us how to change the extractor in the Apc or ghm (they are the same) please non tell tu showel a pin in a hole because it is not the wah
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 5 ай бұрын
I get asked that, but I have to get another extractor to do it.
@rangered2010
@rangered2010 10 ай бұрын
Where is the best place ( on the web) to buy these?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 10 ай бұрын
I would just search around. Plenty of places have them and you can shop for the best price.
@973newarkavelli9
@973newarkavelli9 8 ай бұрын
Does the GHM 45 shoot hollows?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 8 ай бұрын
The latest generation does.
@expat1902
@expat1902 10 ай бұрын
Prefer my ghm45. Would still take a real HK SP5K over an APC.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 10 ай бұрын
Yes. I love B&T but nothing beats a roller locking gun.
@jlford30
@jlford30 9 ай бұрын
APC9 vs. SPC9?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 9 ай бұрын
That is a tough one. Both are awesome. I think it boils down to which one you think looks better.
@evanshall
@evanshall Жыл бұрын
APC costs more for accurate Operator cosplay
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Lol.. very true
@mentugo
@mentugo Жыл бұрын
The APC is made to be carried by Police and other authorities. It's more rugged, the steel is hardened differently and it is designed for full auto. It feels less flimsy than the GHM9. But yeah, if you don't want to spend the money the GHM9 is a valid alternative.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
What steel? The upper receiver is extruded aluminum. All of the steel that goes into the bolts is the same regardless of the weapons platform. I do agree that the APC is more rugged and stronger in its design, but I believe the materials are the same.
@angryGTS
@angryGTS Жыл бұрын
Nothing about the GHM9 is flimsy. It is just as solid as the APC.
@beck4218
@beck4218 Жыл бұрын
lolwut? The barrel steels are identical. They are aluminum and polymer save for the stock assemblies and bolt/carrier and charging handle.
@beck4218
@beck4218 Жыл бұрын
My APC223 buffer died at less than 2K rounds. Replacement buffer for less than 3K rounds.
@angryGTS
@angryGTS Жыл бұрын
@beck that's what a warranty is for. Situations when parts die before they are supposed to
@ChickenSoupMusic
@ChickenSoupMusic Жыл бұрын
GHM9 for 1250$ after some looking. It’s more modular than the APC and you aren’t paying for the military R and D. With the extra money I’m decking it out.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
It is a great platform
@angryGTS
@angryGTS Жыл бұрын
There are less stock options for the GHM though if you plan on making it an SBR (which you should)
@ATLWood13
@ATLWood13 Жыл бұрын
@angryGTS the retractable stock is the ONLY way to go and it works just fine with the ghm9😎
@jameslonano5659
@jameslonano5659 Жыл бұрын
I don't like you dude (lol). Your video hypnotized me pushing me over the edge into something that I've been avoiding for a few years. I bought an APC 9 pro yesterday.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
Lol! Congratulations!
@pinkeye00
@pinkeye00 Жыл бұрын
MCX vs. CMMG?
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
MCX without hesitation
@SkrubDEZ
@SkrubDEZ Жыл бұрын
I don't feel like you did all your research before you did this video.
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
How so?
@jerryc3828
@jerryc3828 Жыл бұрын
@@thetexasgunvault Opinions are like (fill in the blank) I enjoyed yr video. Good comparison between the 2 weapons. Learned a lot.
@kylelittle2782
@kylelittle2782 6 ай бұрын
@kylelittle2782 0 seconds ago I trust your opinion so I have a comparison I’m in the market for a sub gun I’m looking at either a B&T ghm in either 9 or 45 vs the sig mpx k…. What are your thought and opinions on the 2 would love both but can only afford … I’m looking at value per dollar and parts and or upgrades and I’m looking for dependability Thank Kyle
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault 5 ай бұрын
The Sig will have lighter recoil due to the rotating bolt. But the APC is the best of all the guns.
@theBROKEbroker
@theBROKEbroker Жыл бұрын
Anybody know any good gun smiths in the San Antonio area
@thetexasgunvault
@thetexasgunvault Жыл бұрын
I do not but I hope one of my viewers can recommend someone.
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