It would depend a lot of the grinder you'll use at home, so a blind test won't say too much, a Silvia paired with a Niche is not the same as the Elizabeth paired with some low cost girnder etc.

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@@user-if6ox3po4p The implication was that the same grinder would be used for both machines, obviously.

They are essentially the exact same machine with a pre infusion and a pressure gauge.

You can get good (micro-)foam out of the Anna (at least up to ~ 200 ml of milk/steaming process) it‘s just harder and takes longer. You‘ll get good and better foam from both elizabeth and pro if you‘re doing it right! The anna has pretty normal steam pressure for a single circle machine. You‘ll never get really high and stable steam pressure out of a single circle machine. The boiler is just to small for that (~250 ml). So any dual boiler machine will always perform better when it comes to that. But keep in mind that you can as I said get good foam out of the Anna. Most of the time it‘s lack of skill not bad equipment. Just watch some videos about milk steaming and practice it a lot.

While still being small, it IS larger on the Pro (X) than on the classical Silvia

For me it's 20 minutes. No less. There are only a few machines that are ready faster (e.g. Sage/Breville Dual Boiler - 10 minutes)...

No one use them

I use it, its a great advantage over my silvia

@@marcojimenez2725 I use them all the time. I have one button set for medium/light roasts and my other button is dialed for the darker roasts that my girlfriend enjoys. I'm still stopping the shot on my own but the amount/duration of preinfusion differs with each shot button.

Lelit no way. Silvia Pro (X) is such a reliable workhorse. Once dialed in and heated up, just pull great shots after shots. It‘s that easy. Best machine I had in the last 25 years (despite being one of the cheapest)

Lelit do include a lot of great features but they do look like they've got a load of parts and put them in as they went along, compared to the silvia which looks a little more pla ned, look inside ECM or Profitec and the difference is very pronounced. Lelit do have videos on how to fix almost everything is that so you don't have to send it back? Do like Lelit though.

@Jon Woo thanks Jon!

@Jon Woo I disagree. Depending on the beans/roast it can be make a big difference. Of course, if you just drink dark to medium roasts it won‘t make a big difference. However, having the ability of 20 s blooming phase, actually opens the possibilities of pulling longer shot types like Raos Allongé or pour over (Spro) style shots.

@Jon Woo I don‘t get your point. Just say you don‘t enjoy light roasted espresso and everything is fine. But making such a general statement just does not make any sense …

@Jon Woo Just say you don‘t like it instead of making such general and primitive statements.

@@ukonthego What had Jon written? Unfortunately, the comment is gone and I fluctuate between the two machines😵‍💫

I'm in the same boat. Have a silvia bottomless handle and want to get the elizabeth in the future

@@Hilly092 I ended up buying Silvia Pro and it is an amazing machine!

@Michael EstrinOne how are you liking the Silvia pro? Do you mind not having the preinfusion, and programmable buttons? Also, how is the water filtering process? Do you just put that water softener pack in the tank and that’s pretty much it?

@@ukonthego : I am absolutely loving it and yes, I am actually very happy without having programmable anything or preinfusion. I installed the PID on my previous "regular" Silvia, but the convenience of dual-boiler and build-in PID that is in its proper position (not at the bottom near portafilter) is fantastic. If I want I can simulate preinfusion just by turning it on, then off and then on again, but I did not have to do any of that. Temp stability is fantastic and the weight of the machine is such that I lock portafilter in place without holding the machine with my free hand. Loving it. There is one downside - loud pump, but it is for several seconds from time to time.

@@michaelestrinone2111 I remember that there are sound proofing kits and material that one can use to quiet the machine/pump, if it really bothers you. It bothers me but I'm too lazy to put it in.

Sign that they do not saved on materials, and less rattle.

Silvia doesn't have steel boilers but copper.

Both Silvia Pro and V6 have a 300ml brass boiler for brewing, the Silvia Pro has a 1l stainless steel boiler for steam and hot water.

No, Elizabeth has stainless steel for steam, and brass for coffee.

@@1st-lineequipment does it make a difference inn espresso with different boiler materials

@@cameronknowles6267 think stainless steel is much durable

I would personally go for the dual boiler over heat exchanger.

@@1983Jacko I felt the same way, but then I read that the Lelit Mara X has two PID sensors, which give the machine capability to switch between steam and shot priority. With the E61 head I was thinking that this makes for a very interesting alternative to the double boiler. Have you tried both machines or are you only going on the typical benefits of a double boiler machine?

@@peterbuckwalter2123 same thoughts here

Ironically I ended up buying a Lelit Bianca. Very happy!

@@peterbuckwalter2123 I can imagine :-) great choice! I have gone from a budget of around 600 USD to mow around US$1300. At some point I have to draw the line and know where my limit goes :-)