Won-young was the perfect choice for the center. Please grow up everyone, y'all really need to stop blaming her now.

i don't think iz*one sakura was confident enough to be as good a center as wonyoung for the korean comebacks (since she was less fluent in the language and less comfortable in her dancing) but she did suit the japanese comebacks very well

Xiaoting is literally one of the only members with a future , she is far from underrated. Same with Bahiyyih, both aren’t the best vocalist. It’s so stupid how people whine about them not getting enough lines like THANK GOD THE ACTUAL VOCALIST GET LINES

I'm an ARMY and I love the opinion you had on BTS! No one's experience or hardship should be invalidated! No one is suppose to tell others I had it tougher than you so you're own experience isn't valid. We should learn not to invalidate other peoples experiences and hardships just because we think we or someone we know had it harder. Everyone's experiences/hardships are valid, THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION. So many people had it tough and it's not a good thing to tell them they didn't because you feel your faves had it tougher! Your faves experience and the other groups experience are BOTH VALID. BTS story to fame is indeed an inspiration to others to work hard, be dedicated and keep on moving, We thank them for consistent efforts and the many doors they opened. I also loved your 2nd opinoin because why debut a group when you know you don't have enough budget to sustain them and keep them pushing? It just doesn't make sense!!!

Opinion 4 was so true like just recently ateez were on the zack sang show & they tweeted the part were ateez were asked our them being the most popular 4th gen kpop group to come from outside of big 4 companies. Ateez were talking about their initial struggling days since kq was an unknown company back then but the quotes to that tweet were filled with army's beings bitter about ateez saying that & some were like "ateez is obsessed with having an underdog story". Like bro wtf??? Many armys just behave like no one else is allowed to have an underdog story. I'm both an army & an atiny so this really pissed me off. Like you toxic people are the reason why us sane armys get a bad name.

Sakura was really popular before stepping into pd48 and was really famous but that doesn't mean she was the best contestant in sp she sings good and dances good but for being center you need that charm , perfect face movements as you are a center and there is a reason why pd48 producers made wonyoung center she has that charm that she showed during izone and now in ive just because Sakura was an idol before doesn't mean she was perfect center for izone btw your video's are always amazing

no 4 is REAL. this is literally happened one or two weeks ago (I don't remember) in X. like one dive is literally only praising wonyoung for all her hard works since the PD48 until now without mentioning any idols or groups, that dive is not even mentioning other ive's members, just wonyoung. and out of nowhere armies suddenly attacking that dive and wonyoung, trying so hard to discredit wonyoung hard works, they even spreading fake infos about wonyoung, like she used to be a model or saying that her father is a rich business man. like wtf 💀mind your own business please? no one even mention bts so why tf are you armies jump into dives business and say some BS. FYI, every idols have their own story and struggle, even idols from the big 3 also has their own struggle. it doesn't matter who has more struggle or not, IT'S STILL A STRUGGLE. idols when they still a trainee is already counted as their struggle. I'm sorry but there lots of groups that have more struggle than bts, which is all those nugu groups. lots of nugu groups had to deal with their company harrassing them, s3xual harrasment, physical attack, creepy staffs and CEO, their CEO sell them to some big investors, and many more. YES bts had so much struggle, but that doesn't mean other groups or idols struggle is fake.

Honestly the only person who could have made a perfect center if not Wonyoung is defo Eunbi. Till this day, I still don’t get what the Sakura party was really going on about tbvh (P.s this is not hate to Sakura herself, I clearly said “party”)

I feel like people on Twitter when they found out, that's Sakura God, second, instead of won young People got so mad at her because they wanted Sakura to be first instead of won young.

I agree with opinion 2 because people were so mad at zb1 for doing more better than kep1er and the truth is the general public is more interested in zb1 than kep1er so it makes sense for them to get the most expensive things like I know how it may be unfair for kep1er to get low budget items but zb1 is more known so that's jut the truth sadly

I so agree with Nr. 2. Kpop is a business at the end of the day, and it’s smart to invest the most in your biggest money makers. I’d like to extend this point to the whole ‘boy groups get treated better than girl groups’ mentality a lot of gg stans have. The truth is, boy groups are the biggest money makers in kpop. Even now in this generation where it seems like girl groups are the main topic of conversation, boy groups are still quietly the most profitable ones. They’ve always sold more albums, sold more singles, had bigger tours and so on. The only category where girl groups tend to do better is with the general public in Korea, but still, boy groups are far more profitable overall. That’s why for example, companies usually debut their girl groups with a single, or a single album, don’t have the same huge budget for MVs and so on. It’s not as safe & profitable of a business venture as boy groups are. I hate how narrow minded some gg stans can be about this. It’s not all ‘misogyny’, it’s just business. I also agree with Nr. 3. Of course small companies don’t have the budget to create the best & the most content out there for their groups, but what they truly lack is creativity. That is why they almost never make it. Working with actually talented people ( which there is PLENTY of everywhere ) who are creative is the most important thing because first of all, they have good taste ( very important ) and they know how to be resourceful. They know how to make stuff out of nothing. Working with the right people is, IMO, even more important than having a huge budget.

Number 4 was spot on. I wrote a comment about how proud I was of Seventeen and the fact that they endured so many hardships, and an Army appeared and said "BTS too, in fact BTS are the definition of struggle." Like what?

Whenever a group 's struggle story is in light you'll see 75% of kpop stans will shade BTS and its so disgusting ( happened with 50-50) so naturally armys have to be defensive .

The main reason why I've seen army always saying this is because people love to discredit their achievements and k-pop community has somewhat become pretty anti-bts and always want to discredit their impact on making kpop popular(which is indeed huge)

Also one more thing to opinion 4: as far as I saw every single idol has it hard. Hear me out...first the trainee days are literally inhuman, the stress of being kicked out on a montly basis + at least 6 hours of training a day on top of school (because let's be real, most of the trainees still attend school) + some travel 2-3 hours a day if they are not living in the dormitory. And this is in a time in their life when they don't receive any money, and let's be real, the company only provides for them the bare minimum in terms of living conditions. I literally cannot imagine the stress and hardships this gives to 12-13 years old kids. Especially the ones who leave their home and have to learn a brand new language on top of everything too. And on the top of this, I do think being an idol is hard work, and not as glamorous as it seems at first glance. They usually go on 2-4 hours of sleep, get maybe a few weeks of break in a year, and for the first few years (if they are not extremly lucky) they don't even receive a dime (groups from smaller companies usually even have a second job on the side to support themselves). I do think every idol suffers, even those having "big company priviledge", maybe some suffer less, but I could never imagine to become an idol.

I can't understand why army's have such a beef with rest of k-pop industry 🤡 Then I wanna ask army's how did the other groups became popular? Ofc coz they struggled for it Without Struggle how can you even become popular

Being center isn’t just being pretty I’ll always remember what the PD48 mentors once said they said that being a center isn’t just being pretty you need to attract the audiences attention be a good singer and a good dancer while Wonyoung fits in all of this Kkura wasn’t a very good dancer in IZ*ONE nor was she a very good singer,now in Le Sserafim she definitely improved in her dancing skills but her vocals needs to improve,Wonyoung was the perfect choice for center as her sp was on point her vocals were decent and her dancing was very good even being the 6th best dancer in IZ*ONE on top of that she was also quite a good rapper Kkura was also a good rapper and she shows those skills in LE SSERAFIM’S Japanese songs

O. M. G. THE SECOND ONE IS SO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEE … Like ik this isn’t exactly the same thing but like ofc wonyoung is going to get more attention from the company than the other members. No I’m not saying they should be making wonyoung look like a soloist, but of course, she’s their most popular member.( not discrediting IVE ot6 ) so yeah.

Xiaoting placed 2nd in Galileo Distribution so idk what they're on about

Seriously! I Hate How Army's think only BTS Struggled Lemme tell you! There are many more groups in k-pop ! Just bcz BTS is most popular that doesn't means they're the only one who struggled There are literally other groups in k-pop who are more talented than BTS & who also struggled a lot

4. omg I agree - they were hating on skz bc they wrote songs around their hardships etc, it's so stupid like why are we gatekeeping hardship? why can only bts have hardship? Like why are we comparing hardship in the first place?!?!

So excited for this video!

Exactly BTS is not the only group to struggle so many groups in their debut struggle as well even the ones from The Big Three just because you from that company doesn't mean you're guaranteed success you have to work hard to get to the top. And there was a lot of groups people people thought wouldn't make it everybody struggles

sakura wasn't that good of a performer in izone.. nor vocalist so i also don't get why ppl thought she would've been a better center. but NOW she's amazing and im glad she's improved so so much

No hate to Sakura, but I never got the hype around her. The girl is a bad vocalist, a decent dancer (now; back in pd48 she couldn't even execute simple choreos). Yeah, she's pretty but in the Kpop industry who isn't? Okay, she was very popular when she auditioned for pd48 due to her long career in Japan (and my guess is that this is the one and only reason she got through the audition) but idols in Japan are not like idols in S. Korea. Idols in Korea are held to a very high standard and back in Izone Wonyoung did a great job as a center. She may be not the best vocalist out there, but damn, her facial expressions, the way she carries herself and the charisma she radiates is all center material.

The thing about is true army they behave like bts it the only group that when throught hardship recently they attack skz cause they won the VMA saying it and attend awards that why got it oh they're trying so hard to be like bts. JYP post congratulation after all the hardship you when through army saying they were disrespecting bts . They even attack ateez cause a post said ateez us one biggest group outside of the big 4 army then said they were disrespecting bts how I dont know. Bts is not the only group that struggle every idol struggle everyone deserve frame

1.I agree I won't lie but majority of her popularity was originally because she was name after a anime character 😂 2.I. agree 💯 3.Facts 4.Armies feel like they are superior yet still they were a key reason to why momoland an original nugu group was destroyed they are hypocrites 5.Idk who she is 6.Yessss💯 Hyuna Sabotaged her on Edawns career on her own I could only imagine what they had in store for Hyuna (She owes Edawn a huge apology since his career was hurt the most he didn't even have a quarter the fanbase as her)

Army get so much pissed at any fandom and recently ateez had a interview and they were talking about the problems they faced and some army took that very personally. Like for me ATEEZ BTS both had a very hard journey due to company backgrounds. Ateez was so good that when they debuted people was surprised to know they were just rookies. Also army having the problem being sulky when any idol is getting support from other fans and inserting "what about bts" is so freaking annoying. As a army myself I feel so irritated. And shaming multistans and calling them names. I am so glad to be a multistan and some of these needs to touch some grass

Opinion 4 is one of the many reasons toxic “armys” make the whole fandom look bad

Xiaoting is actually a great singer look up Xiaoting let's get it started and you'll see why. She isn't the main vocalist so obviously she isn't going to get as many lines at them. The problem is, is that she gets 500 seconds compared to Chaehyun getting 908.1 which is all of their songs combined. The worst one who has it though is Bahiyyih with 451.3 seconds and she sounds amazing as well. Singing is subjective so you can decide how you like someone's voice but there is no denying that talent is going to waste. Also there are groups with a lot of members and amazing line distribution so not really an excuse.

More on the 6th opinion i said what both Hyuna and Dawn did for revealing their relationship was selfish because it stunted pentagon’s success and now since they broke up months ago Hyuna is still established while not people don’t care about Dawn anymore.

Bro how come did you manage to spill so much facts on the 4th opinion ! You spilled facts I love you & guess what you got a new subscriber

I would agree with the second opinion, but wouldn't the company need to make comebacks for the non-money making groups for them to actually get popular or some fans? So wouldn't neglecting be a bad thing?

YOURE VIDEOS SEEMS LIKE HIGH QUALITY AND I AGREE WITH LITERALLY EVERYTHING ❤

There are still people who think TXT didn't struggle at all and were completely privileged during their trainees days, and with the recent stuff they said plus stuff theyve said in the past we know that obviously not true. First of all, TXT were all trainees before BTS got super big. They even trained at the old building too. Soobin was put on super strict diets, Kai and Taehyun both got electrocuted in one of the practice rooms, and Taehyun almost died from that. I don't know much about Yeonjun or Beomgyu's time there but I don't believe it was easy at all. Beomgyu was pretty muchimmediately put on the debut team when he joined which probably put a ton of pressure on his shoulders and Yeonjun being the legendary trainee most likey felt tons of pressure because he was constantly in first place for every category so he probably felt like he had to hard twice as much. Don't forget about the power imbalances between the trainees

ARMY really need to get over the sob-story, it's been years, they're millionaires. they're over it so the fandom should be too.

nugu group stans have such a superiority complex

With the Nugu one, i completely agree. I used to stan Good Day before they disbanded, after making one song. But then redsquare came out, and I was like 'Oh! Some of the members are back, maybe they could make it big one day?" Also disbanded. Then, we got Irris (I saw the Wanna Know mv in the background :D) and I was thinking "This is it, they left C9 and finally they'll get an actual career" but now we've had no comeback for 2 years and I have cried many times over these girls. :(

i think the problem with companies and favouring their money makers to me is just the wasted potential. look awjsn and ive, for example. both groups are from the same company, had hype from predebut and had popular members from an extremely popular produce group. the difference is that starship gave up on promoting wjsn because they didn't get instant success, and they decided to promote ive at all costs. even the members' birthday events have completely different budgets, it's absolutely insane. ive members get lavish cakes, a whole roo, decorated with ballons and stuffed animals, a whole crew behind the camera, whereas wjsn members got some tacky strings falling off the walls and a simple cake with barely any decorations. i don't think it bothered the girls too much, but it's such a visual representation of the way they're treated. i think it's a missed opportunity, given the difference between the attention they give the groups. it's normal and smart when it's groups like mamamo and purple kiss. both get good promotions and budget from the company, but obviously they invest more in mamamo, given how popular they are. but when there's a huge gap in treatment like astro and weki meki (the worst offender imo, the way weki meki literally gets payed dust is disgusting), or ive and wjsn, i have a problem with it. even after the hype wjsn gor from winning queendom, and now from one of the members also making it into the group in queendom puzzle, starship decided to waste the hype. because last sequence was one of their most underfunded promotions and it was the comeback they should have invested the most on, given the attention the group was getting. situations like those are the ones that annoy me the most, because they could have a super popular group like ive and also have a more mid tear popular group that still brings in constant funds, given the dedicated fanbase. instead, they choose to have a hyper popular group and one that's struggling and nearly constantly in the dungeon and whose fans hate the company. it makes no sense to me.

I joined Kpop in 2014, with B.A.P n BTS being my main ults I later got into SVT during Mansae Era and just as i started to grow tired of kpop I "discovered" Ateez and Dreamcatcher in 2021 All of these group's similarity? They were from small companies and they were in the brink of bankrupcy and legit the groups that i ult as their main bread earner or successful group (aside from B.A.P cuz TS is trash) I saw how B.A.P/BTS/SVT struggled through their low budget eras and how they grew successful and gained more fans And i also saw how all my ult groups gained their popularity and helped their companies escaped bankrupcy and them being able to use/wear legit luxury items instead of knock offs in MVs n real life So no, i truy believe the "rags to riches" story does not only belong to BTS becuz i can safely say i saw SVT n Ateez do the same

I stand beside you with these opinions

As a long time AKB48/HKT48 fan, I find it ridiculous the way people insist so badly on her being the center. In the 10 years she spent as a member, she never once won Senbatsu, and she got to be center ONLY ONCE

Totally agree with the statement that companies which know that they can't cut it probably shouldn't give aspiring idols false hope. The market is beyond oversaturated and the top 5-6 companies have upped the ante on MV production/promotion/artist selection and training to dizzying degrees. It doesn't turn out well 99% of the time, especially if they have zero interest in anything but attaining money (not that there's anything wrong with a business wanting to turn a profit per se, but, frankly, it's kind of like being a teacher, unless you really want to do it because you feel like you like the job or want to make a change or be particularly competent at it because you care about the profession, there's no reason to do it, because the money's just not gonna be there). I guess there might be artists whom wanna try being an idol desperately, but, get beaten out when auditioning for larger companies, but, listening to some of the artists whom went through it, it's like 70% regret to 30% arduous, but, hey, worthwhile experience in their view. Or as was the case with Daisy 100% regret. Then again, MLD was shady af, but, then, that's not an isolated case. It brings me no satisfaction to say it at all, but, again, unless the goal is just kind of living out the wish to be in the entertainment industry, while knowing you might not even ever get paid a cent for it, it's best to pick another career path.

whats the group shown on opinion 3?

Soft is slaying again 💅🏾

sakura is popular back then, that makes sense that many ppl wants her to be the center. but if i am going to compare it with kep1er, chaehyun is also popular because of her MY SEA performance that many voted for her. but when they debuted, they saw xiaoting's performance and stage presence (?) better than chaehyun. and they started saying that xiaoting should be the center. and when xiaoting is being treated as the center in group performances, chaehyun stans started to make noise. that makes sense, because if someone is satisfies already with what they are seeing, they're silent. but if they're not, they'll make a petition or even get to the point where they send protest vans in front of their favs company. sighs. edit: sakura's dance improved and she's more confident now y'all #stanlesserafim

Wony have it factor no sakura. The real reason ,wonyoung get center cause she is better singer than sakura even wonyoung improved so much in live stage .Sakura get not real improvement causes hybe suck vocal trainning but tho she get overshadowed by other members

If a group does make more in the company and there are other groups in it, its not really fair to have one group doing all of this and that and have more comebacks, theres other groups too and they have fans also. How hard is it to give everyone else the same chances, cause at that point if your focusing all of your money onto one group, you might aswell not even have made those other groups.

Can someone please tell me where that sakura photo in the thumbnail is from

mostly i agree!

Opinion 4 is so true

opinion 3: this might seem mean or rude but nugu groups right now are nugu for a reason. 1. lack of content 2. bad music 3. bad performances 4. uninteresting members/group. and I'm tired of other people trying to shove a nugu group in my face.

I made an opinions video yesterday and i also mentioned how sakura wasnt really center material and wonyoung was more charismatic😊

Bruh i saw it at 6 seconds-

The way u feel with xiaoting fans i feel with hiyyah fans

You're right about xiaoting.

sakura was good as a center but your point stands about how annoying it was to make her out to be a much better better center than wonyoung and that was honestly just jealousy. you're SO RIGHT about how companies should stop debuting new groups if they're not able to sustain them like some of these companies will debut their groups with a 10$ budget and pray for a miracle like that's just not gonna happen you need to put effort you don't have to have a crazy budget and produce the most expensive MVs but you need to at least have a decent budget and and play your cards right and use your resources carefully and make sure the quality is decent, it's so sad to see some of the most talented idols' potential be wasted because these companies will just hope for instant success without putting much effort it's honestly puzzling.

You using zb1 as an example to validate your argument on your second opinion, just makes your entire argument fall flat imo. There is a blatantly clear a difference in the amount of effort that Wakeone put into Kep1er’s debut, and the effort that they put in zb1’s debut. Your argument about how companies are simply just choosing to promote the group that is more “marketable” also falls flat, because there’s no way a company can expect a group to peak the public’s interest or become marketable if the company puts in little to no effort in said group. That’s not how it works. Now, if it was a situation where the company put in a lot of effort into a group in the beginning, and that group just ended up not being profitable then sure, your argument would somewhat makes sense, but that isn’t the case with a Kep1er and Zb1. While girls, planet wasn’t as popular as boys planet, the interest and potential of Kep1er was there, Wakeone just squandered it.

Omg the armies is so trueee.

The armys one is so true tbh.And its also the fact that they hate on other idols or try to cancel them while they dont even pay attention to the things BTS did.I feel like not just armys,but most of the kpop fandom is forgetting that every BTS member,but Jungkook,said the n word.Like sure my favs did some stuff too but at least i dont defend them??Armys are one of the most problematic fandoms and its fr rare to see a nice army

1. agree, agree, agree 2. ofc! 3. YES 4. yes.... 5. i don't know 6. yes....

who is the group at 2:20

It is not about who is the better centre but who came first was supposed to be the center, according to rules. You like it because your favourite was the center. But can you imagine spending time voting and turns out this whole time this thing was rigged?

3:55 frfr they be annoying

2:17 i agree, this is what starship is doing to ive. they give cravity more attention eventough ive are their moneymakers

I don’t agree with number six. If a rule is unfair and strips you of a right every adult should have, what’s so wrong with breaking it?

Ok but can I know what is nugu group?

Well you gotta understand army aren't the one inserting themselves into this convo rather kpop stan do. For example with 5050 literally the ceo said they wanted to be the next "bts" and blablabla like it's so easy ofc it'll piss us. Through cupid era you'll never see a day without a hit tweet dhading 875 through this group don't vlame army when the big bullies are the kpop stan

1.Neither deserved the center but at least Sakura got it fairly Produce was rigged af everyone knew 2.bruh true now tell this shit to YG Blackpink deserves better 4.Army acting overdramatic bts debuted in 2013 and were already quite successfull in 2015 and in 2016 they were really popular compared to Brave girls who only got famous years after debut

For Opinion No. 2, I Couldn't Forgive MLD Entertainment for 2️⃣ Different Actions Related to Both Momoland and a 🇰🇷-Based, All-Filipino and Trilingual Global 👦-Band named Hori7on (Pronounced as "Horizon"). On 1️⃣ Hand, the Management Company was Conceiving the Younger, All-Filipino 👦-Band When It was Abandoning the Older K-Pop 👧 Group to the Path of Disbandment at the Same ⏰. On the Other Hand, MLD Entertainment Made Hori7on's Pre-Debut Activities & Debut Promotions Within the Present Era Even More Glamourous Within the Past. For Opinion No. 3, the Best-Known Example of a Much-Lesser Known K-Pop Group for Me is Beauty Box. Not Only It has Been Unsucessful and Mostly Unknown Throughout its Active Era, But It Also Went Through Group Member Line-Up Changes. (With Both Respective Members of 🇹🇭🇻🇳 Left the K-Pop 👧 Group Itself for Different Reasons and Being Replaced by a New 🇰🇷 Member and an 🇮🇩 Member.) As for Opinion No. 4, Hardcore K-Pop Fans Around the 🌐 Should Spend Most of their Own Free ⏰ Taking Interest in Other Asian Pop 🎵🎶 Genres. The Respective, Rags-to-Riches Stories from Both the Late Mdm. Anita Mui & the Late Miss Coco Lee are Not Jokes to Them.

its kinda funny how kpop stans went from dogpiling on bts and jumping on them and now it's minimizing their story and saying "but everyone has it hard!!" no shit! we're well aware, why do y'all lump in and pretend armys are a monolith. you cant talk about the minimization of people's struggles while also doing it with bts'. whenever someone brings it up now, you'll have some kpop stan up ur ass complaining abt how TX@($*()EF was from a small company and disbanded and had it harder. like im sorry, i truly am, but ofc armys are gonna talk abt THEIR fav group and their story. they SHOULD however be more open minded.

I have been watching your videos fora while now and although sometimes I agree with you you seem to be so centered around IVE and Wonyoung so yeah it's so biased clearly

Izone wasn’t as iconic as y’all claim they are/were 💀 I liked some of their songs, but if they were still a group, they would’ve flopped. A lot of them sounded a like, it was so much better that they disbanded and went into different paths. I agree with you on the Cube and Hyu&Dawn, thing. People put too much blame on companies 🤦‍♀️

I disagree with 5:20 Ihaven'tseen any xiaoting stans saying it its mostly bahiyyih stans saying it

I feel like Sakura could’ve improved just as much as Wonyoung did if she was center but y’know what things happen for a reason, I don’t think Wonyoung would’ve had half the charisma she has now if she wasn’t center and Sakura is still well off center or not

ARMYs don’t say no one can struggle, but kpopies never acknowledge the hate they went through from the start. BTS started with nothing, and now every group has the opportunity to get nominated in the western shows thanks to BTS. That’s why we all say BTS paved the way.

Frankly, dear, no one cares if you are tired of something, BTS managed to turn a ruined company into an empire, that is the truth and that cannot be achieved by sitting all day in front of the television, if the group or its fandom bothers you, I suggest you that you pass by no matter how many want, they will continue as a group until they decide and that is a reality that you cannot change

okay maybe you chewed a little bit 🙄🙄

Y'all are so pressed about everything armies do when kpoppies try their best to downplay every single BTS achievement. That is the only thing kpoppies are united in doing And as for ur " inserting BTS into everything" opinion every kpop fandom does it A creator made a post of TXT and Stays went all "have u heard of straykids" "Straykids are better" A Once made a post of Twice and Blinks went all "Blackpink ended" An army made a post of BTS captioned "My funniest boy group" and carats went all "Pov: u havent met seventeen" throughout her comment section (these are only the few i can remember) But everyone ignores that and focus on Armies Armies cant even praise BTS vocals (not comparing) without Exols camping in the comment section with "strain kings" or "Exo does it better" and suddenly we are the problem....lol

As an army i am not interested in other groups nor i get into conversation regarding other groups