Actually viltrumites don't get rage boosts as stated by conquest mark is half human so he has adrenalin unlike normal viltrumites making him stronger when angry

Vegeta surpassed King Vegeta as a child. That feat alone would be enough for the saiyans, let alone the fact that Omni-Man, Mark, the laser that weakened the planet and that other guy were needed to destroy a planet, saiyans can just destroy them easily.

Vegeta would mostly stomp if we use Vegeta stating he surpassed King Vegeta as a child who has a feat calculated at dwarf star level.

Nappa flicked his finger and erased an entire city casually while standing in it. If invincible at this point in the show can’t punch with the force of destroying a city minimum 😂he’s not hurting Nappa let alone Vegeta. Also way weaker characters blew up the moon so yea, Invincible will get clapped in one hit

Low class saiyans would be top tier viltrumites if they were disguised as some.

vegeta's power level is 18,000, and around 10,000 is what is needed to destroy a planet completely. Nappa's power level is somewhere between 4000 and 8000. If we aren't talking about end of series invisible, then he gets squashed by nappa like nappa did to the weak z fighters. But if end of series invisible is used, then invincible wins against nappa mid-high diff and then vegeta finishes him off low diff.

Short answer: no, Invincible gets walked like a dog.

King Vegeta destroyed multiple planets with just raising his hand. Planets in dragon ball are 155 times bigger than the solar system, and Vegeta surpassed his father as a baby, making Vegeta multi solar system level as a baby.

Even Goku and Piccolo at the end of OG Dragon Ball can destroy the moon hundreds of times over. King Piccolo even stated ne could destroy the earth and kami finger flicked goku who defeated that same guy. Then by the end of dragon ball not even kami and all the z fighters would stand a chance against a heavily injured piccolo

King Vegeta's triple Planet busting feat is more so dwarf to small star level than large Planet. The distance between planets is of millions of kilometers and the feat happens in a few seconds. It's One of the crazies Planet busting feats in Dragon Ball. And it's extremely casually done.

you didnt mention that Saiyans have rage boost as well. Not only could he adapt to the situation and get stronger while fighting vegeta can also get rage boosts as well.

Invincible gets dog walked. Vegeta and Nappa are able to casually blow up planets with a simple ki blast and I don't think a single Invincible character can even destroy a moon.

Oozaru Nappa would wipe the floor with Mark. Mark being very fast though if he somehow found out could maybe cut their tails

Yeah i agree Nappa would get his ass beat and Vegeta would win, like not only is Vegeta like blatantly way stronger than Marc but also way more skilled (swap hands with Goku who post training with king kai is stated to have thousand of years worth of training and be the greatest martial artist in the universe on a mental and physical level) so like outside of speed this man's going to get bullied

There is no way in hell Mark will do shit to Nappa

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Mark ain't even getting to nappa. The saibaman are jumping his ass

Mark vs raditz should be fair

This is one of the calmest intros from this guy I have seen so far

Saiyans are just built different, way before ssj, they we're already faster than the speed of light, and strong enough to destroy a planet

Crisp editing this video was so satisfying to watch

Good job on hammering hone the facts dude!

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I think it's crazy to think that Mark is around the 8 to 9 thousand range. He certainly has a lot of speed feats; that's not something to argue against. But in terms of durability and strength, I doubt he'd even be comparable to Raditz. Yeah, I know, people are going to yell that I'm wanking. But hear me out first. Roshi blew up the moon. If you watch the anime, this moon-busting feat was almost instantaneously done and is relativistic to light speed. In fact, it could be argued as potentially nearly equal with how fast the light hit the characters since light IRL takes around 1.2 seconds to reach Earth from the moon. I believe the key difference as to why people bring up Piccolo and his moon-busting is because it vaporized the moon rather than Roshi, who blew it into tiny chunks. Vaporizing something is obviously far superior to just turning it into smaller pieces, each of which burned in the atmosphere really fast though since there was no light show/meteor shower. Piccolo also did it as a simple uncharged ki blast, whereas Master Roshi did it at full power, exhausting himself. So there's good rationale to use Piccolo. But I think Roshi's feat is already pretty damn close and can easily be scaled to a planetary feat with at least relativistic light speed. Roshi had a power level of 180, and he was self-admittedly weaker than every Z fighter during the last tournament of OG DB. He was also still weaker than King Piccolo, whom Tien was confident he could one-shot with his tri-beam. And both were weaker than Kami, who could defeat the Goku who killed King Piccolo, with nothing but a flick of his finger. Yet despite this massive jump in power for Tien and this powerhouse Kami, everyone agreed with Piccolo that all of them attacking together were unable to win, despite him being exhausted and beaten bloody by Goku. The only one who stood a chance was Goku, a crippled man at this point. This just goes to show you the major power gaps that have already come up. We don't actually know the true gap in power between Goku having 910 during this tournament and Roshi with his 180. The reason we don't know is because Dragon Ball power levels used to scale wacky and be massively more powerful with even smaller increases. An example is that of the start of the series Kid Goku with a power level of 10 throwing cars, tanking bullets, and having bladed weapons shatter against him mostly unharmed...far stronger than an average human who has a power level of 5. And don't even begin to speak of the differences between 5 and 180; clearly, the farmer is millions of times, probably more, weaker than the moon-busting feat. He's not anywhere close to 1/16th of that. But DBZ makes power scaling more linear. But, even then, we don't exactly know when this happens. As it seems a little strange that around 4 years of training only makes Goku go from 910 to 924. Anyway, now that that's out of the way, let's just assume the lowest for Raditz. There's plenty of material to grab from which places him above 1200. But let's do it anyway. So he's, being incredibly generous to Invincible here, he's 7 times stronger than moon-busting Roshi. Characters in Dragon Ball physically scale to their Ki blasts. It's pretty common for characters to both physically dodge them and physically tank, catch, and even throw/punch them away like when Goku punched one of Frieza's into a nearby planet causing it to combust. These feats almost always happen when people are relative to one another. It actually barely happens when people are being supremely dominated, such as with Perfect Cell vs Vegeta. Raditz would be able to easily catch an attack that's 5 times stronger than Roshi blowing up the moon. (Likely far more) (hell, if we take the sacred water Goku at its word, it's implied the Goku who killed King Piccolo is at least 10 times stronger than he was during his fight with Tien. And Tien, Goku, and Roshi were all basically equal before drinking.) He could catch it when it's going at him full force, easily crush it in his arms, or throw it, or even just tank/dodge. Physically this would place him far beyond the best feats of the Invincible comic. Ramming through a planet. And that was done by 3 Viltrumites together, mind you. So no, I don't believe I'm wanking Raditz. DBZ just has stupidly high scaling compared to a lot of shows, and original Dragon Ball just ain't given the respect it deserves from a scaling standpoint. And yeah. Whatever, people can say im a dragon ball tard. But that's not an argument. Dragon ball gets absolutely crapped on ny numerous media which weirdly enough even includes WARHAMMER 40K. YEA, that was a shock to me too. I just like to be consistent with my scaling regardless of who it's on. And if you think I'm arguing because I like raditz more than invincible? No. Raditz and Nappa are boring ass characters, invincible is far superior as a character to both of them combined. But the fight, to me, is like throwing guts from berserk against fat buu. Obviously guts is a better written character. But at the same time. It's obvious he cant do anything.

This is why I can’t take power scaling seriously. Everyone and their mom is lightspeed! I hear that word thrown around every time speed comes into question. It’s ridiculous.

Goated video bro

Here is something that I think shouldn't be considered a feat, the King Vegeta feat ( in my opinion ) was to show how the Saiyans conquer and destroy planets. I doubt that King Vegeta actually blows up nearby planets, and like I said is to represent how the Saiyans take over and destroy worlds

the saiyans stomp and its not close earth in db is clac to be 1/3 the size of the sun and the destructive power for this was clac to be multi solor system- multi galaxy level because of namek explosion destroyed the galaxy not just that the moon level feat done by roshi is dawf star level of ap and garlic jr can make superspaces that are 5D take that if you want and vegeta stated that a saiyan can do the same thing buu did when buu was controlled by Bibidi

I guess a different scenario would be: "Can Vegeta and Nappa defeat the Vultrimite Empire?"

I genuinely hate how invincible fans keep trying to scale viltrimites to faster than light. I get there travel speed is that, but there is absolutely no feat in the show that shows there combat speed is even close to that. If we are saying viltrimite combat speed is FTL, you are saying angstrom levy, immortal, mauler twins, and battle beast are all FTL. This is extremely bad when you watch the season one episode with battle beast. Since average humans were fighting him without getting speed blitz. So everyone shouting that viltrimite battle speed is FTL. Is saying that black Samson and duplikate are also FTL, since they were able to fight battle beast without getting speed blitzed. Also the kaiju was implied to have been able to beat Omni-man whenever he was amped by the government. We are really going to be saying with a straight face that the kaju’s attacks were FTL?

4:20 Don't forget that characters can raise their power level significantly by concentrating all their energy into a singular point (Raditz statement) where essentially someone with the power level to not be able to destroy something such as a moon could potentially be able to do so by concentrating enough energy into a blast that exceeds the threshold required to do so. At the same time based on the distance a blast that wouldn't have much effect on a planet can destroy it if it's further away as shown numerous times in the series with villains going further into the atmosphere away from the planet so that their blasts can destroy it.

This is probably the only video where power level are taken into consideration and are treated as a fact

Tylearned is like always right… I like debating people but with this guy I just can’t.

Who is setting up my boy for failure! He’s maybe getting through Nappa

Invincible would make it to Nappa in strength and durability. I personally don't think Lonk's Takes is a reliable source for Invincible if you are unfamiliar with the comic. He should be as strong, WAY faster as he is MFTL, Small Planet Level, better stamina, and can survive in space. He also outclasses in lifting strength. I don't think he defeats Vegeta in power, but I actually think he surpasses Vegeta in every other factor. I see a lot of people in the comments making ignorant claims about Invincible, but they really don't know their stuff about Invincible like they do for Dragon Ball which shows more bias than actual knowledge on the character. With wonky ABC scaling, Mark could also surpass Vegeta because of other characters like Supreme and Solar Man if we took King Vegeta's filler feat. This isn't a stomp like people are saying. Nobody around Raditz' level is getting Mark's attention

Very interesting video.

I'd say power lvls are only nonlinear until they reach a couple thousand, as from the beginning of Z to the end of the Freeza Saga where it is consistently shown that u need to be a certain percentage stronger than ur opponent to perform certain feats. Important to mention though that in og DB they can't be linear seeing as a normal farmer has 5, while Goku who can beat up huge monsters and tank gun shots has only 10 and even Master Roshi reaches barely 140 when he blows up the moon. So there is only a difference of little over a 100 between a normal guy and a moon buste. Imagine if it stayed like that and what a guy with only a couple thousand could have done following the early system. Btw. could be a cool vid to approximate the capabilities of Z power lvls going by db scaling.

I feel like the thing that makes dragon ball and invincible interesting from a scaling pov is how crazy the speed values in invincible and the durability in dragon ball are, it's basically unstoppable force vs indestructible object.

Unfortunately, Mark is probably getting washed by Nappa alone. While yes he’s absolutely so much faster than either Vegeta or Nappa, in terms of AP and defence, he’s incredibly and woefully inadequate, to the point that him punching Nappa would result in Mark likely shattering the bones in his arm. Through Roshi being able to blow up the moon in early DB, even though he only had a PL of 180, it shows that even very weak characters in Dragon Ball far surpass pretty much everyone in Invincible simply because of the difference in scaling. End of series Mark might be capable of going up against Nappa, but then he’s getting rinsed by Vegeta with no real difficulty asides from him being so much faster, which really only prolongs the fight and not much else.

Nappa: Hey Vegeta! Look. *Title Screen to Invincible starts to play.*

Nice!

I can't believe Harold collaborated with puberty Chooper.

Damn this video is peak

Crazy the levels The Saiyans are at now compared to when Raditz first turned up.

I love this matchup purely from Mark and Vegeta having the same color scheme. Just flows really well.

If you reason that Invincible's attack potency and general level is about base Saiyan Saga Goku, *_he will not be able to hurt Vegeta in the slightest._* In Dragon Ball, in fights with full killing intent, we see that Vegeta slaughters Dodoria with as little as a 10% advantage over him. He's doing 10% more damage to someone with 10% less defences, 10% faster too. It comes down to a murder. If Vegeta is over TWICE AS POWERFUL, Mark won't be able to scratch him. Hell by that point, the Splatter Effect would take place, and if Mark flew too fast and hit too hard, he would break his fucking arms on Vegeta.

This is massive wank to Invincible. Nappa alone would lay waste to every Viltrumite and its not even close

Imo have read all of invincible friction plays a big part in the speed of the characters. We see mark get tired flying to Africa while a relative mark can fly to the moon in a flash. Due to the lack of friction they are able to move alot faster

No matter what, Mark will give it his all to protect the Earth. Also even though I strongly believe that Vegeta would definitely kill Mark. In a battle of hand to hand combat, even though Vegeta would definitely adapt since he was and is capable of fighting against Goku who’s a martial arts master. Mark could also adapt in hand to hand combat as well, since he was capable of adapting to Thula and Vidor alongside his father Nolan in the recent Invincible episode, all of who had thousands of years of combat experience.

Quick awnser no, full awnser no.

W Lonk 😊

Final battle Mark against Thragg when he was tanking the sun upclose might be able to put up a decent fight against Nappa. But the sheer level of destruction the can release is a bit unfair against viltrumites lol. Especially with Vegeta singlehandedly threatening planet destruction, meanwhile it took 3 strong viltrumites (including Mark) working together to do the same.

Mark's rage boost is just adrenaline, he's the only Viltrumite that has this 'ability'

Honestly I think there's a chance for Nappa to survive long enough for Vegeta to take over, a lot of people forget that Vegeta had no issue taking over he didn't kill Nappa until Nappa was paralyzed, now I'd say it's debatable if Vegeta killed him because he was paralyzed or if it was because he got paralyzed because he didn't listen to Vegeta.

I'd put Invincible's power level (as of Season 1 of the animated series cuz IDK) at around 250

I think we also need to realize that in the beginning of Invincible (show, as the comics didn't show this to my knowledge) - Omni Man was capable of holding up a rock that was basically as big as the rock Frieza threw at Goku. Goku couldn't catch it, Namek Goku mind you. Omni Man just casually held it.

If early invincible had atom Eve for support and atom Eve was able to do what she can at the end of the series at the start for some reason when he dies maybe the couple times he gets revived by Eve then yeah easy invincible dub but if he’s by himself no atom Eve he’s dead

Second day of asking for the roof piece squad versus mahoraga

Earth is considered a small planet in DBZ btw.

I ain’t finished but why these two dudes casually taking like saiyans don’t get rage boost too? I keep hearing oh mark might rage this n that

it's also that in the Dragon Ball universe, if they hit someone much stronger than them, it just stops there, like a thud, not damage to the attacker (till the attacked attacks back I guess) in the Invincible universe, if they hit something stronger than them they generally explode or atleast break their limb. like when someone would punch omni-man with all his power, but it doesn't even slightly faze him, then the attackers hand would break. so I feel that if Mark would attack Vegeta he would probably just break him arm on impact concidering that Vegeta at the Saiyan Saga can easily destroy a planet with 2 fingers, he's stronger than King Vegeta who can destroy 3 planets with a flick of his wrist. let alone if Vegeta actually did get pushed back by Mark and Vegeta would use the artificial moon and become Ozaru, Mark would likely try to fly into him at full force and likely just splatter on Vegeta, if Vegeta wouldn't just swap him straight to the ground.

Another thing you can add is that in invincible with a character that is weaker than another they will physically destroy themselves fighting them. This is shown in many sections such as with red rush and omni man or when omni man literally boocked against an entire alien race as they splattered their bodies against him. And with dragon ball strength is directly comparable to durability this means they can tank whatever they can dish out. Meaning realistically mark would just break his body down on Vegeta as he would keep throwing punches that ultimately would amount to nothing as Vegeta would just amp up with ki to show how truly weak mark is or he just throws a power ball and just squishes mark between his fingers.

Vegeta would end him in a second.

What about Mark 1000 years in the time chamber vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta 1 year in the time chamber.

Realistically Nappa is more like Thragg level. Invincible has no chance.

Think mark think 🗣🔥how tf you gonna beat nappa the goat 🗣

People give the speed of invincible characters way too much credit, there’s a reason why you don’t see them casually going full speed at opponents since it would at best kill both them

My own take I think it would be really in😢. Mark would make a huge difference in raw power. Now if piccolo figured this out they might pull something close off at the very least get rid of Nappa lol

this is just the anime events in the invincible verse , if this were to actually happen raditz would be with the 2 saiyans cuz he doesn't have a brother to look for ( in this what if)

I think it would be like in Saiyan saga but instead of having a kaio ken or spirit bomb. It is going to be a bloodbath of endurance, invincible ain’t going down until he is beaten bloodied and bruised.

Of note, viltrumites seem much more vulnerable to damage, with even weaker heroes like the Immortal able to harm Omni-Man to a small degree. Whereas saiyans instinctively use ki to "harden" their bodies against damage from weaker beings.

Invincible has a crazy speed advantage, but vegeta or nappa could just explosive wave and win

If we go with movie canon for king vegeta he was at a power level of 10k because that was bardocks power and it was said he matched king vegeta in power now.

I guess the thing is Mark is one guy, but even Goku couldn't have done it without help, so it makes sense Mark couldn't do it.

Love the fmab theme

Vegeta lucky Mark didn’t have Dinosaurus backing him up

Short answer: no Long answer: hell no, never.

Bro Omni man is a saiyan saga base victim

How is this a discussion? Nappa evaporated a city and wiped the earth military just to pass the time.

Mark could absolutely suicidekill Vegeta, at least imo. Speed amplifying strength from impact and all that, take the combat into space, and just not dying long enough to put them both into the Sun. Since stronger characters than Saiyan arc vegeta have trouble with lava.

Please do/use end of series Invincible next time

Lmao mark gets blitzed by Nappa. The saiyans have much superior combat speed

This video should be 3 seconds long and contain just the word “no”

I really don't care for how y'all determine strength for Dragonball characters. Like, we know for a fact that they're planet busters but that's by using ki based attacks. There's a big difference between energy projection and physical strength. I mean, i think it's pretty obvious that a special attack is special for a reason. If we're to believe that their energy blasts are no more powerful than their punches and kicks then what's the point of the energy blasts? You could make the argument that they also tank the blasts so their durability scales but we know based on early fights that tanking energy attacks and tanking physical attacks are done in two completely different ways. See Tien vs Yamcha. Now i fully believe that, if Vegeta wanted to, he could just shoot Mark with an galik gun and call it a day. No doubt there. At most, maybe two but i can't really swallow Vegeta really doing much on the physical side of things. Vegeta would get moped if he tried to box. The physicality just isn't there. I also don't particularly like the speed here. You already gave Mark the speed advantage so i can't really argue this too much but scaling Vegeta's speed up from kid Goku is just a bit weird. Like, yeah, it happened. Goku moved faster than light but, we're gonna act like Goku didn't go through a soft retcon between the Saiyan saga and then? Goku was breaking comic panels and sending rabbits to make candy on the moon (where they can breathe?). Toriyama drastically changed the tone of the character by the time of the Saiyan Saga and definitely grounded Goku a bit more. At least grounded him by DC standards. It also just doesn't make sense that Goku is light speed or faster at the time because he takes a year to cross snakeway. Sure, Goku moved faster than light in a combat scenario and we can say combat speed=\=travel speed but that's not really a good defense because it would take a little over 3 seconds to cross the entirety of snake way. I'd understand a long sustained use of speed being an issue cause I'm not trying to sprint a marathon either but I'm pretty sure that an adult Goku could handle a 3 second, max effort sprint and surely even more so by the time he runs it back after his training. Really, Vegeta's only win con is a solid energy attack but if Mark is absolutely bullying through overwhelming speed and physical strength, i don't see Vegeta surviving.

Yeah, no. Mark is getting turned into a bloody fireworks display along with the Guardians of the Globe. If it was JUST Raditz, maybe. He's immune to bullets, way stronger than Roshi (who blew up the Moon) but could probably be taken down with enough fighters. But with Vegeta on the table? He could blow up the planet himself, something that took three Viltrimites to do after a planet was destabilized. Plus let's not forget Ozaru Vegeta, who'd be ten times stronger if he REALLY thought he'd be pressured by the Earthlings which he can do with or without Earth's moon present.

Big question so many people seem to be glossing over, invincible don't have Ki, DB does, its not just fists, vegeta can fire beams that blow a planet without effort from his fingers, Invincible wont be tanking that. There's also Ki blades Vegeta if he wanted to could basically turn his hand into a light sabre.

This isn't even fair, completely different universes that contextually treat their absolute power completely differently.

The Vegeta vs Diodora fight doesn't really apply to this situation cause he was much stronger at that point than he was when he first came to earth. Remember Saiyan's get a significant power boost after recovering from serious injury and he was pretty fucked up at the end of that first battle. Mark still wouldn't stand a chance against him, but I figured I'd point that out.

First month after getting his powers? No. Not even Nappa. King Invincible at the apex of his power? Yes. No problem 👌

A group of saibamen could be as threatening as rognarrs to average viltrumites.

1:40 into the video and you’ve already shown that they lose to nappa lol

if only viltrumites could use energy blast like attacks

I would just wanna see rexplode get yamcha'd by a saibaman

Short answer is no. Long answer is : As always with cross-settings fights, it depends on the assumptions we make, but if we keep them fair, Mark is cooked. It does depend a bit on the period though. Spoiler alert, but Mark tanks the destruction of a planet, and then (double spoilers alert) he tanks fighting inside a freaking sun. While Nappa and Vegeta when they land on Earth, can't. So after a certain point Mark has more toughness than the saiyans. The destructive power of the Saiyans is off the charts however, being able to raze entire cities with the flick of a finger and fully able to raze or even destroy planets at full power. So, a young-ish Mark (season 1 & 2 of the series, that kind of period) is completely out of his depth, and while Mark at the end of the comics could potentially tank Vegeta and Nappa, it would probably end with the earth being razed. Also, while Viltrumites are fast, the Saiyans are completely bonkers when it comes to speed and ranged attacks. They can't fight in space to Mark could theoritically kite them, but it doesn't really help when you're trying to protect a planet. So yeah, if the Saiyans had shown up instead of Conquest, the Earth was toast. Depending on the rules we're using, Eve potentially has a better shot with her (spoilers) matter-warping powers. If we're using Invincible rules, if Eve temporarily overcomes her distaste for affecting living matter, she can just disassemble the saiyans on a molecular level. If we're using Dragon Ball rules and equating Eve's power to Shenron's wish-granting abilities, then she can't affect someone way stronger than herself and can't do jack to the Saiyans.

How do you think a Saiyan conquering party would handle planet viltrumite? Like say Bardock and his crew would fair?

Not even close unfortunately

Remember that it depends by how they use their ki because even a normal laser beam was able to almost kill ssj blue goku when goku was distracted and mark being way faster than nappa can absolutely speedblitz him and destroy him. Without using the ki the saiyans are weak compared to the viltrumites so if they can't use it properly against mark they can't even win, even goku got it when he was training to prepare himself for cell, if you are insanely powerful it doesn't mean that you can defeat your opponents if you are not fast enough to fight them and in this case the viltrumites are WAY faster than the saiyans normally and if I'm correct in the video it's about an adult mark... Invincible would destroy both of them in this case, if the saiyans wasn't all about the ki for their power level they would have easily destroyed mark in an istant but that's their weak point against characters fast as the viltrumites

So i remember someone doing a video like this for namek saga Ssj Goku. With the terrifying speed and endurance feats viltrumites have, i geneuinely believe they wouldve washed at the very least, Saiyan Saga Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta. Not that the first 2 ever came back but viltrums could definitely give a run for their money. Plus just the ability to hold your breath for such insane amount of time that they can just traverse space for long periods of time is insane.