Could the Lib Dems Come Second?

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25 күн бұрын

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In this video, we’ll have a look at this - whether the Lib Dems could overtake the Tories and what this would ultimately mean for British democracy.
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@Srindal4657 24 күн бұрын

It would be fascinating what the country would look like if it was divided between labour and lib dems

@jamescole1314 24 күн бұрын

A lot better than it does right now! Or when labour were having to govern against Tory attacks in the new labour years

@reheyesd8666 24 күн бұрын

Just look at the mess you made after using the toilet. That's any government.

@isaacpayne-silk3996 24 күн бұрын

P😅0ooo😅o😅@@jamescole1314

@Mastersharkmapping 24 күн бұрын

Utopia, just need starmer out of labour and replaced by an actual left/cent. left politician

@togerboy5396 24 күн бұрын

With the entire nation turning increasingly left wing many centrist conservative voters will likely move towards voting for Lib Dem’s. In this case many Lib Dem MP’s would vote slightly in favour of old Tory policies to please their new Tory members. It would basically become Tories 2.0 if I’m correct.

@kaylenscurrah5435 24 күн бұрын

‘Tories are set to win -5 seats’ but wait here’s how even worse things can get for the Tories

@ValiantValium 24 күн бұрын

"Tories are set to lose so hard, that 20 new seats in the House of Commons will be created and randomly distributed"

@larkwinth_real 24 күн бұрын

Haha disproportional representation 💀

@Natalietransfem 24 күн бұрын

Tories set to not exist but it could be even worse for them

@Bimmeroo090-cl5cz 24 күн бұрын

ECONOMY'S turning...strong growth, inflation and interest rates plummeting...great election prospects for Rishi!

@Decrepit_biker 24 күн бұрын

@@Bimmeroo090-cl5czget a grip. THE Tories need to go, and go NOW..... ABSOLUTE CESSPIT OF A GOVERNMENT

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 24 күн бұрын

2:39 I've seen one-party states with worse results than Labour in that graph, how did the Tories mess up this badly?

@XxHaythamKenwayxX 24 күн бұрын

Where to even begin. Everything in the country is broken, that's basically the way to sum it up. Years of austerity meant long-term side effects would be inevitable, Brexit has been a disaster as we took the worst version of it, effectively sanctioning ourselves from the biggest trading market in the world - and since Boris Johnson in 2019 we've had the worst of the Tory party in terms of sleaze and corruption and just outright disgrace. It's come to the point that whenever a headline in the news says 'A Member of Parliament has been found doing XYZ', everyone automatically assumes it's a Tory because 9/10 it usually is.

@joshuacampbell1625 24 күн бұрын

@@XxHaythamKenwayxXyeah there is a great amount of disillusionment right now in the UK, its part of the reason why smaller parties are doing well in the poll, like reform uk, even though reform is basically just the ultra-tory party.

@aceman0000099 24 күн бұрын

50% of the dislike for tories is purely from the fact they've been in power so long it's not possible to blame anyone else for all the problems in the country

@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031 24 күн бұрын

Imagine a situation like the collapse of Soviet Union. Now imagine this with pandemics while the leader of the government is making parties and his substitute is a sociopathic lettuce. This is the situation of the UK after Brexit.

@juuiko 24 күн бұрын

They've just been in power through so many crises, people who don't pay much attention to governance are disillusioned with the party as a whole. Labour are running without a platform and still winning, a clear sign that politics are broken and we're in for a rough next term...

@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023 24 күн бұрын

3:00 Regardless of your political opinion, this shows why the first-past-the-post system is stupid. Getting half the amount of votes but more than three times as many seats is ridiculous and simply unfair.

@hansgruber3064 24 күн бұрын

It’s such of out of date system, it just not fit for purpose in the modern world.

@beanward_xd527 24 күн бұрын

The fourth most popular party getting the second most seats while the third gets none is mental im surprised there isn't a bigger movement to change our electoral system

@cathulionetharn5139 24 күн бұрын

@@hansgruber3064 it is, but it has benefits, it avoids unlikeable corrupt politicians that scrape by on 20% of the vote from uninformed people getting into government by being chosen by a party that gets sub 20% everywhere Problem is, current day politicians getting majority vote are no better

@joesoy9185 24 күн бұрын

@@cathulionetharn5139 plus the fact that a small party could be a majority provider and demand more cabinet posts than their number of MPs warrant. Moreover, coalitions often result in weak government.

@lif6737 24 күн бұрын

I'm glad more and more people are realizing FPtP is an archaic system that has to go. We've iterated on our democracies before, and I believe getting rid of FPtP is the next step

@marsharbour5906 24 күн бұрын

“Lib Dems can win here” and it’s just a map of Great Britain

@alanfrost4661 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@lloydonyeka9316 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

In 2019 this was the case! There were 100 seats where they came within 400 votes of the Tories, they only lost these seats because Labour's claims to ve the main challenger based on the Lib dems historically bad 2015 results.

@wildfire9280 24 күн бұрын

⁠@@quintuscrinis8032 That requires going against the concept of multiparty democracy. Huh. I guess Britain isn’t that different after all.

@tiglishnobody8750 24 күн бұрын

Map of great Britain is entire of UK minus Ireland

@somethingfunny6867 24 күн бұрын

torys are aiming for zero seats

@JupiterThunder 24 күн бұрын

It's the most they can reasonably expect after their 15 years of 'achievements'

@Bulbs_Productions 24 күн бұрын

*best case scenario

@johnburrows3385 24 күн бұрын

Here's hoping they can achieve their objective 😂

@theotherandrew5540 24 күн бұрын

If only!

@Worldmisery 24 күн бұрын

No. The Tories will find a way to survive. They are undemocratic authoritarian oligarchs. I hate my country

@tsarnicholasii8725 24 күн бұрын

It would be absolutely amazing if the libdems could comeback after basically a century of being 3rd or 4th

@jakel8627 24 күн бұрын

I didn't realise it was 2081 already

@bigships 24 күн бұрын

I hope so

@griffinbastion 24 күн бұрын

@@jakel8627 liberal party which evolved into libdems was the main opposition party 100 years ago and further back

@nuzayerov 24 күн бұрын

@@jakel8627 the current LibDem Party is merger of the former Liberal Party with other parties. The Liberals were the opposition around a 100 years ago and before. More context: The Liberals themselves are the successor of the Whigs, which was the first ruling party of the UK, the party of Sir Robert Walpole and many other prime ministers of that time.

@iGamezRo 24 күн бұрын

The last Liberal PM was David Lloyd George, who was PM during WW1. After WW1, the PM has been either from the Tories or from Labour. The historical Liberal Party merged with the Social Democratic Party (a Labour splinter) in the 1980s to form the LibDems. A few Liberals chose not to join the new LibDems and there still exists a very fringe Liberal Party, but it lacked support as no central figure chose to back them. All of them joined the LibDems.

@electric_whelk1653 24 күн бұрын

people saying that a "spell in opposition" would be maybe good for the Tories but I think a spell in the third party backbenches would be good for everyone

@richardjames3022 24 күн бұрын

It would be great if the LibDems did come second

@EngineerRunner 24 күн бұрын

it really wouldn't, they proved that they only cared about power when they entered the Coalition government and dropped all promises except ones that would be beneficial to them

@Srindal4657 24 күн бұрын

@@EngineerRunner Please. This is politics we're talking about. Who isn't interested in power?

@EngineerRunner 24 күн бұрын

@@Srindal4657 fair, but they could've at least implemented _some_ of their policies, or even left the Tories to struggle in a minority government, but instead they proved that they don't care about the voters.

@Srindal4657 24 күн бұрын

@@EngineerRunner lib dems is divided between a left and right wing of their party. It's very difficult to get things done when the party doesn't agree.

@charlierichards5865 24 күн бұрын

@@EngineerRunnerThere is such thing as change; moreover, what may become the Lib Dem manifesto looks better and more sensible than either of the other two parties. You must bear in mind that within British democracy we are ultimately choosing the LEAST harmful as opposed to the “best”. Much is also dependent on local constituencies however and I wouldn’t advice ever wasting a vote

@aidanbyrne8267 24 күн бұрын

I would love to have a labour parliament with lib dem opposition

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

Need to prevent all these hard-roght defectors that Starmer seems to be welcoming in at bay though, so a coalition between th3 two would be even better

@lukeallison3713 24 күн бұрын

That would kill the lib dems as they would have to lean towards the centre right wing of the party. If labour move to clearly blairite third way politics, then it leaves an opportunity for the 'sdp wing' that Kennedy was part of to outflank labour on the left. That's when the lib dems found success

@xmissyangelzx 11 күн бұрын

@@quintuscrinis8032 this is exactly best case scenario, a lib dem, labour coalition. Lib dems have solid policies and we have actually benefited from some in the past/present e.g income tax allowance of £12,500 , for anyone not hitting near 6 figures (basically most people in the UK). Labour now is just not great, what is even their policies lol.

@Whitehalo732 24 күн бұрын

Vote Lib Dem to force Labour to institute electoral reform for proportional representation.

@joshquinn4964 24 күн бұрын

Yes! The fact that West Germany called the FPTP system 'authoritiarian when they were debating electoral reform in the 1960s tells you all you need to know.

@SPQSpartacus 24 күн бұрын

No. Vote the strongest candidate to defeat the Tories. Be it Libdem, be it Labour. But first, defeat the Tories. Then, when in power, demand Proportional representation.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

@SPQSpartacus that sort of messaging is precisely why we had Conservative victories in 2017 and 2019!! 2019 saw the Lib Dems come a close 2nd to the Tories in about 100 seats! And just as importantly, if Labour win a landslide this time they will shelve electoral reform just as they did back in 1997/2001!

@Bimmeroo090-cl5cz 24 күн бұрын

No keep voting Tory for a sound, thriving economy...don't risk your job and home in Starmer's casino.

@joshquinn4964 24 күн бұрын

@@Bimmeroo090-cl5cz come back to me when you find that thriving economy... I can't see it anywhere.

@joefarrow1599 24 күн бұрын

I support talking more about the Lib Dems and giving reform UK less airtime

@jamescole1314 24 күн бұрын

💯

@clmclmn21 24 күн бұрын

All parties deserve airtime regardless of whether or not you agree with them. I don’t like the Green Party but they have every right to make their voices heard and tell everyone about their manifesto. Reform should also have that right.

@joefarrow1599 24 күн бұрын

@@clmclmn21 all parties do not deserve airtime, the Monster Raving Loony Party never gets any airtime and they shouldn't. Reform UK merit more airtime than MRLP, but the amount of attention that they are currently getting is clearly over inflated

@ILikedGooglePlus 24 күн бұрын

@@clmclmn21Reform gets disproportionate airtime compared to their actual support. Same as Trump in the Republican primaries in 2015, same as UKIP in the 2010s

@robertnotingher7972 24 күн бұрын

@@clmclmn21 he didn't say they dot deserve their voice heard. Just said that reform get a disproportionately large amount of airtime whereas lib dems get too little

@ganrimmonim 24 күн бұрын

I'm a card-carrying LibDem who in my seat am going to vote Labour, only way remotely possible to oust my Tory MP. I'd find it remarkable to find myself a member of The Opposition party.

@anthonyyawtwumasimensah197 24 күн бұрын

Labour sucks just as much as the Conservatives but I get the logic behind this move.

@bigships 24 күн бұрын

As another card carrying lib-dem, I’ll be very happy if we become the opposition party

@venmis137 24 күн бұрын

@@bigships As a Labour Member, I agree. An opposition pushing for liberalism and pro-europeanism as opposed to one pushing for fascism and isolationism (because the tories will lurch even farther to the right after the election) would be beautiful.

@williammountfield8508 24 күн бұрын

Please don’t, the party is cash starved as it is and if members are voting for other parties we will lose our deposits in many seats which will hurt. Having people vote lib dem even when we don’t stand a good chance of winning also helps highlight how rubbish fptp is.

@anthonyyawtwumasimensah197 24 күн бұрын

@@venmis137 the only notable party on the "right" in the UK is the Reform Party. Labour are far left and Conservatives are centre left.

@pedrofr1434 24 күн бұрын

LibDems on the first day at work as the official opposition: "The Whigs agree with the government to return to the EU" Everyone else: " The Whigs? I thought you guys reformed?" LibDems: "yes, that's what we wanted you to think"

@LuxVertas 24 күн бұрын

Folks, come the next election: VOTE! Don't just take these predictions and opinion polls as how things will be!

@hansgruber3064 24 күн бұрын

The Tories want people to be in the mindset of “I’m not voting, it doesn’t matter”

@user-sd3ik9rt6d 24 күн бұрын

Reform and Conservative fighting amongst themselves will lose them seats and send them into oblivion, good.

@garethbuckeridge6910 24 күн бұрын

At best it is only approx. 30% of the overall vote, so irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things.

@dkoda840 24 күн бұрын

I don’t buy reform stealing that many votes from the conservatives, yes it’s possible but I find polls regarding this situation usually overplays just how willing people are to switch parties.

@kingdomofbird8174 24 күн бұрын

@@garethbuckeridge6910actually, Reform + Conservatives combined are single digits behind Labour, of course, you can't convince Reform that Tories are anything but Labour-lite, or to convince some lifelong Tories that Reform isn't some radical lunatics

@RickRossYuhM8 24 күн бұрын

@@kingdomofbird8174yeah i’ll he voting reform as labour isn’t going to be different to tories

@ballisticalrift 24 күн бұрын

⁠⁠@@RickRossYuhM8Voting for an even further right wing party’s definitely gonna make things better !! I don’t like labor, but they’re infinitely better than the Tories and Reform

@dirtyden1 24 күн бұрын

I don't think it will happen, but it would be hilarious if it did.

@psych0536 24 күн бұрын

The thing about the MRP polls is that while on the surface it looks like the Tories are in a secure second, when you look below the surface and at the figures in each seat, it becomes plain that most of the seats categorised as Tory are not secure. Their share of the vote is low, and in many of the seats they are only just barely ahead. Furthermore, MRP does not factor in tactical voting at all, and a level of Labour/LD tactical voting even at a fraction of what we have seen in local and by-elections would be enough to halve the Tory totals in the MRP polls. In a high tactical voting scenario where Reform UK vote holds up it is a very credible and plausible scenario that the Lib Dems win more Westminster seats than the Tories. I wouldn't bet on it happening, but I wouldn't bet on it _not_ happening, either. I feel like its probably about a 1 in 3 chance

@DebatingWombat 24 күн бұрын

I guess the tactical voting might swing both ways, i.e. some “holding their nose” and vote Tory to avoid a narrow LibDem or Labour win. The biggest factors are probably: 1) Whether Labour and the LibDems agree not to run actively against each other, or at least do some kind of bargain to avoid splitting the vote and thus increase Tory losses. 2) The extent to which Reform UK voters are so fired up that they’re willing to “waste their votes”, in which case the party may act as a serious Tory spoiler. 3) The degree to which Keir Starmer’s “lurch to the right” alienates the Labour left to the extent that they either vote, say, Green (thus increasing the chance of “wasted votes”) or simply choose not to vote at all. If those reporting in opinion polls that they’ll vote Reform UK instead choose to vote tactically, you can almost certainly add all, or at least a large proportion, of that vote to the Tory tally. However, if they’re angry enough with the Tories, most of their votes will probably end up being “wasted”.

@MrSpasticdancer 24 күн бұрын

if the tories couldnt even manage to be opposition, that would be hilarious

@Mitjitsu 24 күн бұрын

As bad as Tony Blair was, he was right about one thing. Never underestimate the Conservatives; never overestimate the Lib Dems.

@thaneofwhiterun3562 8 күн бұрын

Hey, he was first to vanquish them. Might as well heed his advice.

@Dardobul 24 күн бұрын

Imagine claiming you have a mandate to lead based on the last parliament when you've lost more than 300 elected officials per year on average since then

@CRINOTH 24 күн бұрын

I'm a Lib Dem member and I'd love it if we came second. But I don't think I'd want us to be the official opposition with as few as 44 seats. We wouldn't be able to properly fulfill the duties of an official opposition. We wouldn't even be able to shadow the government ministers without doubling up (or tripling up). We'd look like shambles. Worth remembering that 44 seats would be fewer than we got when we were in third place in '97, '01, '05, and '10. Also it's fewer than the SNP got in third place in '15 and '19. So I have mixed feelings. I want second place, but we'd really need to be beating our previous highwater mark of 62 seats in 2005 to look anything like a proper opposition.

@distinctdipole 24 күн бұрын

What's wrong with forming a coalition opposition? For example Lib Dems and Greens with a few like-minded independents.

@CRINOTH 24 күн бұрын

@@distinctdipole Nothing wrong with that. But the Greens would only add between 1 and 4 seats to the total. I don't see where independents are likely to be elected, tbh.

@MrOats-bs1ry 24 күн бұрын

@@CRINOTH SNP+Plaid perhaps?

@distinctdipole 24 күн бұрын

@@CRINOTH True it would be very dependent on the actual outcome of the election when we finally get it, but I thought it was an interesting idea that would also highlight the need for (hopefully) progressives on both sides of the house further excluding the looney right. Would also be good to see collaborative politics taking over from the mess that is the current adversarial playground politics we have now.

@CRINOTH 24 күн бұрын

@@MrOats-bs1ry With the Lib Dems? Or as the main opposition grouping on their own? I personally wouldn't be in favour of working with either of the Nat parties.

@Martiansfromthemoon 24 күн бұрын

Hoping and praying for a big come back from Lib Dem. Their policies are so much more mature than Labour and Tory policies

@Adam-wg2rf 24 күн бұрын

What are they offering? They never said in the video

@buzz1ebee 24 күн бұрын

They are probably lying again like in 2010. They'll say anything for a sniff at power, then do the opposite when they get in.

@LOLE_Editz 24 күн бұрын

I'd just like to see the tories and Lib dems switch.

@williammountfield8508 24 күн бұрын

@@Adam-wg2rfthe right to see a gp within a week, named gp‘s for over 70s and those with long term conditions, fixing social care, giving the sewage companies a kicking, a milliard pounds a year to help farmers transition to sustainable farming practices, 8,000 new detectives, reverse Rwanda, reverse the tax breaks on the big banks and fossil fuel giants, etc… Historically speaking our manifestos have been independently assessed as being the only consistently costed and budgeted manifestos from any of the main parties.

@treeaboo 24 күн бұрын

Unlike Starmer's Labour they actually care about my human rights as a trans person (they aren't actively throwing me under the bus for the culture war like Labour) so that's a big plus for me personally. Their candidate in my constituency is an actual local and a genuinely good person, and the only plausible opposition to one of the nastiest Tory MPs. Not to mention them having more ambitious policies than Labour, they actually seem to believe in something unlike Starmer.

@YonaSoundcloud 24 күн бұрын

Proportional representation please

@cgt3704 24 күн бұрын

Libdems: *happy noises*

@bbd121 24 күн бұрын

Indeed! :D

@williammountfield8508 24 күн бұрын

Hear hear!

@ABI-qw2bj 24 күн бұрын

People should be talking more about the Lib Dems than about Reform. The Lib Dems are the only third party that may have a real impact on the seat share, while Reform is going to struggle to get more than a couple of seats despite their high vote share. Heck, Reform has won fewer council seats than George Galloway's party in the recent local elections. It's just how the first-past-the-post system works.

@mattevans4377 24 күн бұрын

Speaking of Galloway, that party has a lot of core voters that are dominant in some areas. I think the mainstream parties are in for a shock from Galloway, and they might actually open their eyes to the consequences of their actions.....

@dontcomply3976 24 күн бұрын

Terrorists do seem to live in the same areas

@fremes3918 24 күн бұрын

Reform didn’t win many seats because they put next to no one forward, they have a higher vote share than the Lib Dem’s but are spread out, I agree that FPTP is stupid, but a two party system while flaws does have benefits compared to SV or proportional like Holland, Italy or Germany all three of which have seen very right wing party’s rise up as it is easy to do so with proportional.

@mattevans4377 24 күн бұрын

@@fremes3918 If right wing parties gain traction, that's not a problem with the voting system. It just means left wing parties are sh*t

@jean-lucpicard5510 24 күн бұрын

@@dontcomply3976Calling Galloway a terrorist, hilarious.

@jakel8627 24 күн бұрын

🔶️LIB DEM🔶️ 🔶️LIB DEM🔶️ 🔶️LIB DEM🔶️

@spaghettiisyummy.3623 24 күн бұрын

Love them?

@treeaboo 24 күн бұрын

@@spaghettiisyummy.3623 Well I think they love them if they're chanting their name, so it translated the meaning accurately

@Arksimon2k 24 күн бұрын

Unfortunately it doesn't seem likely to happen until the UK gets some sort of propertional representation. I've always been a lib dem voter and we've generally been too spread out to win a first past the post contest. I'm in a labour winning seat and polling suggests the lib dem candidate is nowhere near. But with proportional vote I could still get my vote in and just put labour as my second choice.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

There are a lot of people like you. I remember talking to so many like you in St Albans back in 2017!!

@ix7666 24 күн бұрын

I’m not voting Tories or Labour, it’s time another party had a chance so I’ve voting green. It’s silly we are meant to feel like it’s just two parties to pick from.

@adeforeman86 23 күн бұрын

The chances of the Lib Dems finishing second are about the same as Jo Swinsons chances of becoming Prime Minister at the last election.

@TomJohnson67 24 күн бұрын

I don't understand the Tory strategy, it's as if they are going for a 0 seats any% speedrun.

@ErinStephanie-mf2qk 24 күн бұрын

The centre right space has already been vacated by the Tories. And Labour are moving to filling it. The Lib Dem’s are better off to take the centre left space, Labour are increasingly vacating.

@7ookee 24 күн бұрын

I'd vote libdem if they did that. What I mostly want is PR.

@dontcomply3976 24 күн бұрын

Labour? Centre-right What planet are you on?

@jackthehacker05 24 күн бұрын

@@dontcomply3976agreed, we ought to just say right for now

@7ookee 24 күн бұрын

@@dontcomply3976 that's how Labour are attracting voters who would vote Tory otherwise. Centre right is always pliable.

@williammountfield8508 24 күн бұрын

We are Centre left and always have been.

@kevinohiggins3868 24 күн бұрын

from Liberal and Conservatie being the main parties in the 1800's, to Labour and Conservative, to Labour and Liberal.

@Worldmisery 24 күн бұрын

What's the point of Labour? It's bourgeois socialism. It reforms nothing, it serves the financial oligarchy by prescribing pankillers to the proletariat, but they can snatch the milk away whenever they want.

@captainshakesbeard2453 24 күн бұрын

They promised to do things, we voted for those things. The tories ignored what we voted for and ousted the people who wouldn't

@7ookee 24 күн бұрын

Fptp is a stupid system to base a democracy on. In our democracy 59% of our electorate consistently have no say in government. This is an elective dictatorship more divided on class than political ideology.

@gdwlaw5549 24 күн бұрын

I will never forgive the right wing fanatics. Simply ruined my life in the EU. I can’t apply for jobs that involve EU travel, my children abandoned their Erasmus studies and more importantly I can’t vote anywhere ! So please vote out the Conservatives

@Bulbs_Productions 24 күн бұрын

I’m British but I also think leaving the EU was retarded

@danielwebb8402 24 күн бұрын

You can apply for jobs. Just foreign countries can choose to say no. You can apply for a job in USA, Australia, Panama, Pakistan, Peru....

@ineedmoreflavour1955 24 күн бұрын

This is so hyperbolic - don’t be so dramatic, Jesus. This is honestly a big reason why Remain lost. Europhiles are nuts.

@paulbo9033 24 күн бұрын

@@danielwebb8402You must be a Brexiter. I can tell because from this comment it's clear that you're a bell end.

@captainbuggernut9565 24 күн бұрын

If you don't like democracy, move somewhere else.

@jasonshallcross2741 24 күн бұрын

Another strong possibility is a major scandal, which for the Tories seems to be a weekly event. However, the scandals rarely seem to have as much impact on voting as you'd imagine.

@MrJonezy541 24 күн бұрын

It's because they're so frequent, people have come to expect scandals from the Tories. Anyone who still supports them are fine with it.

@treeaboo 24 күн бұрын

To a certain degree they've lost most of the people who would be turned away by scandals thanks to the previous scandals, all that's left are the diehard Tory voters and those on the fence about switching to Reform. Hence new scandals seem to have relatively little impact on their current voting numbers, merely solidifying the opposition to them from those who have already turned away.

@kimwit1307 23 күн бұрын

If I were Labour I'd mostly be concerned with the tories 'poisoning the well' as it were to force Labour to introduce unpopular measures to keep the goverrnment finances afloat.

@BenDBeast 23 күн бұрын

It's unlikely but would be such a large step in the right direction for the country.

@seanpcoon 24 күн бұрын

Has there ever been a political party in history that saw such an insane drop off in popularity like this before?

@samhayward4216 24 күн бұрын

Yes, see the collapse of the governing Conservatives in Canada 1992. In the UK, 1918 saw the collapse of the Liberals, and 1931 saw the collapse of Labour, although both these cases were caused by party splitting rather than extreme unpopularity.

@barbthegreat586 24 күн бұрын

And from such majority, too. TBH, I'm surprised there haven't been major riots so far, so thieving and crap they are.

@cyber_rachel7427 24 күн бұрын

The NSDAP in Germany became quite unpopular rather quickly after 1945

@DebatingWombat 24 күн бұрын

Yes, look at the continental European countries whose formerly important Social Democratic parties were reduced to the fringe. It even has a name: Pasokification Its named after the once mighty Greek PASOK, which went from getting around 40% of the vote in the 1980s, ‘90s and 2000s to around 10% in the 2010s and ‘20s. PASOK lost 30 points (or 3/4) of its vote in a single election (2012) and hasn’t really recovered since.

@DebatingWombat 24 күн бұрын

The French Socialist Party has basically followed the Greek pattern, as has the Dutch Labour Party (although the latest general election at least gave them something of a comeback). The Czech Social Democrats even failed to cross the 5% electoral threshold in the latest general election.

@vicarious7858 24 күн бұрын

Lib Dems as opposition would be brilliant. Considering they are more left leaning than the main two, it would be a good balance. While also helping to bring in PR and drug reform.

@Worldmisery 24 күн бұрын

The Liberal Democratic reform is going to achieve nothing. You are never getting mixed member proportional representation (like the system in Germany) because the House of Lords does not care about your beliefs.

@jean-lucpicard5510 24 күн бұрын

The same people who helped Osbornes austerity measures? Do me a favour.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

@jean-lucpicard5510 the cuts that were made in 2010 were much closer to the Lib Dem manifesto than the Tories or Labour (who were very similar to each other) were promising. Having the Lib Dems in a coalition also saw things like the income tax threshold raised from Labour's £6,000 to £12,500 a year among many other progressive policies Labour were against or had spent years refusing to consider in office!!

@vishmaster09 15 күн бұрын

In 2080 i will be telling my grandkids that there was once a political party called the conservatives

@pastyman001 24 күн бұрын

This would be a fascinating dynamic. LibDems would attack mostly from more radical position on environment and energy constitutional issues, Europe, migration etc. I was under Tories forever, suddenly over 3 years, I have 3 LibDem councillors in my ward, a LibDem led Cherwell DC and a LibDem led Oxfordshire Country Council, with most other councils in the county LibDem led, two by Labour and none by Tories any more. Greens are in coalition.

@Robert_H. 24 күн бұрын

I would like to emphasize again that the Tories only need 21% of the vote to get an absolute majority in Parliament. Due to the winner-takes-it-all principle, it is enough to have more votes than the other parties in 50.1% of constituencies to win the election. And neither of the two major parties wants to change this.

@Jourifouler 24 күн бұрын

As a lib dem member it would he interesting to see if they ended up as the second largest party if they would still support the proportional representation.

@oliverleonard7730 24 күн бұрын

Unless Conference voted to scrap the policy it will remain policy, the Lib Dems aren't like Labour or the Tories, the Lib Dems use one person, one vote so if the party votes to keep STV as their policy it will remain whether they win a majority or remain 3rd.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

I wouldn't want to be a leader at conference arguing to drop PR of any form. Even Tim Farron couldn't swing that sort of vote.

@SuperJibulus 24 күн бұрын

People are clearly sick of a two-party system and I don’t blame them. I don’t feel like either party (labour or conservatives) represents me, I don’t know who to vote for that I’d feel comfortable with. All of them are so comfortable in their political oligopoly that they all just blend into one grey mess.

@tulliusexmisc2191 23 күн бұрын

You should have looked at the poll resuls in the video. In both, over 2/3 of people favoured one of the two main parties.

@totalutternutter 24 күн бұрын

With so many MP's defecting left and right the distinctions between each party is getting more and more blurred, each party is culturally enriching the others.

@plgspooky 24 күн бұрын

If tactical voting took place enmasse then that could vastly decrease the amount of tory mps

@crhu319 24 күн бұрын

That requires swaps among supporters.

@timolino567 24 күн бұрын

Loving the thumbnail

@LOLE_Editz 24 күн бұрын

If this happens, I'd expect parliament to be taking a turn left.

@thethreerailwayengines825 24 күн бұрын

Since coalition governments can be a thing, can there be a coalition opposition? For example, if some combination of Lib Dems + SNP + Green was greater than the number of Tory seats, could the Lib Dems/SNP/Green form a coalition opposition?

@Wall6ly 21 күн бұрын

8:49 Great video as always. You’ve got a small editing mistake at ~8:50, where a line is repeated.

@olived9560 Күн бұрын

oo great video, thank you!

@Snazzysneferu 24 күн бұрын

That would just be the icing on the cake

@MazzaEliLi7406 22 күн бұрын

Thank you.

@py8554 24 күн бұрын

I surely hope so, but all these decades of frustration and disappointment teach me not to be optimistic but be cautious about this kind of paradigm shift talk.

@iris.holmes 24 күн бұрын

So this video was not about the Lib Dems, but again on the Tories...

@tylerkochman1007 4 күн бұрын

Okay, today’s Electoral Calculus projection (June 1) has them only 7 seats behind Tories. Even more likely now.

@TheSuperPsychoKiller 24 күн бұрын

Green Party and Lib Dems should get together and make a baby called Green Liberal Democrats (GLD) with a green liberty bird facing to the left for left wing.

@TheRambunctious 24 күн бұрын

The problem is the Lib Dem’s are even more right wing than starmers labour

@lordhenrywotton95 24 күн бұрын

I think it’s more likely they might make some sort of pact. Like not to stand against one another in seats where they are 1st or 2nd placed party.

@zack3851 24 күн бұрын

😂 won't it just be the Albania flag with different colour palettes

@rafaeljames331 10 күн бұрын

@@lordhenrywotton95 I think the Lib Dems already do that. In the two seats where the Greens threaten(or are already above) Labour, the Lib Dems did not stand at the last election and I would not be surprised if the LDs did not stand candidates in those places again this election.

@huwgrossmith9555 24 күн бұрын

Given the council results and the fact that a lot of the seats list did not go to Labour it's a probability. That said Labour may have to enter a coalition to govern.

@danielbanbury378 24 күн бұрын

I dont expect for the Tories to be pushed to 3rd Party status this Election. But the potential is there in the following election for them to drop

@dr.victorvs 24 күн бұрын

HOPEFULLY.

@oliverleonard7730 24 күн бұрын

I think considering a Labour win is now a forgone conclusion it is easily possible, a lot of people don't want a 200 seat majority for Labour so if they think the Liberal Democrats could advance to 2nd place in terms of seat numbers we could see a huge shift in votes from both main parties to the Liberal Democrats. I still personally don't trust Labour or Starmer and knowing that the Conservatives are out anyway I might just go for the Liberal Democrats as at this point we have nothing to lose by voting for them since Labour have won anyway.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

Sounds like a very sensible position to take.

@Unhinged_Salmon 24 күн бұрын

I wish

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

One way to make it happen!

@domliv77 21 күн бұрын

That would be a disaster for Britain for any party to have virtually complete control like that. I sincerely hope it doesn't materialise !

@lexico69 24 күн бұрын

Are these seats all in England. I suspect that the SnP may still take a large number of seats in Scotland where the voting trends are different

@notinuse3872 24 күн бұрын

The SNP is collapsing in polling in Scotland

@jamescole1314 24 күн бұрын

Currently the SNP will be 2nd in Scotland with between 15 and 25 seats according to most Scottish polling. It depends whether John Swinney can turn around the SNPs declining support. But as he's appointed the Tartan Tory Kate Forbes as his deputy it might prove more challenging than SNP supporters would hope

@lexico69 24 күн бұрын

@@jamescole1314 that won’t happen at the election. The pro Indy is still sitting between 45-52%. When it comes to election time that may be the deciding factor for Westminster seats. Giving the fact that the pro Union vote will be split between Labour, Lib Dem and con that is why so many seats go to the SNP.

@lexico69 24 күн бұрын

@@notinuse3872 SNP may be out of favour but the Pro Indy support isn’t. And for the last decade that is what Scotland has voted on.

@aceman0000099 24 күн бұрын

The Highlands might return to their classic lib dem vote

@maia_key 23 күн бұрын

As an aussie with an interest in psephology, it confuses me so much that the UK still uses first-past-the-post and not preferential voting

@riccardo-964 24 күн бұрын

It would be GRAND!

@alanyearsley9731 23 күн бұрын

There's a very important fourth factor that you didn't mention: an unusually large number of voters voting tactically.

@michaelgreen1515 24 күн бұрын

People often forget that in the Westminster System HM's Official opposition is a significant as who are MH Government in shaping the which laws pass and how, and which ammendments get put onto bills and which don't.

@ThomasBoyd-gx9wr 24 күн бұрын

Awesome thanks. Yes Liberal Democrats could be second in mores seats to conservative party uk general election. Tories have 300 British MP's England. That 1931 uk general election Labour party it be like National government in 1931.

@gavinsmith9564 24 күн бұрын

Lib Dems need to shout about their Pro EU policy, there is nearly a super majority for Rejoining in the country, offer a proper choice from the pro Brexit Conservatives and Labour parties.

@jamiedodger1235 24 күн бұрын

Rejoining right now woukd be counterproductive, as we would have very little negotiating power and would likely make our situation even worse. We need to stay out of the EU for at least 10 years before considering rejoining

@sean.butterworth 23 күн бұрын

Before Brexit, Britain had favoured nation status in the EU, including not being part of the Eurozone. Rejoining won’t bring with it those same concessions. More likely, Britain’s status will be akin to that of Spain or Portugal. I reckon rejoining is inevitable, but Europe will not make it easy next time round

@ivankolinic5679 6 күн бұрын

Honestly i love how in every graph the greens get a second seat, as someone who likes the greens, its impressive

@phill2065 24 күн бұрын

I’m not interested in politics, I vote Liberal Democrat

@lugano1999 23 күн бұрын

You failed to take into account what is going to be a major factor in the GE: tactical voting, That is something that can absoluely decimate them.

@JallenMeodia 22 күн бұрын

He has said we will have a GE "at some point in the latter half of the year". You know, some point, not like it's important.

@user-dt9cd8yr1l 24 күн бұрын

Hey your end clip seems to be glitching

@TouringTony 24 күн бұрын

As a LD I believe we're happy that most people don't know this as it's more likely to happen

@FoxyUkeFox 20 күн бұрын

"Things can still get worse for the Tories" is a truly poetic phrase with no equal.

@mericet39 23 күн бұрын

It's a shame Maggie isn't still around to see this

@catmonarchist8920 17 күн бұрын

She said Blair was her greatest achievement and Starmer is to his right so she'd be thrilled

@Chris-rp9df 24 күн бұрын

No mention of tactical voting

@mappingshaman5280 24 күн бұрын

It's time for south africa. Labour will be the ANC, Starmer will be zuma, Galloway's party will be the EFF.

@patrickwitek 24 күн бұрын

I have no idea how Farage manages to finesse the British public every time, then leave when he's f'ed everything up without taking any responsibility and yet people still view him as someone worth listening to.

@Worldmisery 24 күн бұрын

Because Nigel Farage is just like the British public, nationalistic, arrogant and stupid. I'm actually expecting him to knock out the Tories and make Reform the 2 largest party... if our election ever happens and our dictators stop delaying our elections because they're neo-feudalist oligarchs.

@joshuachapman247 24 күн бұрын

Thanks for talking about the lib dems, I have not heard anyone cover them.

@Lando-kx6so 24 күн бұрын

0:54 * insert Usher "watch this" meme here *

@liampriestman4090 23 күн бұрын

Hilarious that the tories try to blame rishi sunak for the poor performance like they didn't just have 4 failed prime ministers in a row

@syleshwhycantileavethisbla802 24 күн бұрын

This would be the absolute best case scenario for this country. 5 whole years without the Tories even as the opposition party. Things might actually improve!

@theotherandrew5540 24 күн бұрын

Don’t underestimate the LibDems. With Starmer offering nothing more than Tory-lite and his blunder over the Gaza massacre, the LibDems are the best alternative to the Tories, the truly Nasti party.

@quintuscrinis8032 24 күн бұрын

Look how many seats they came a close 2nd in last time round.

@tt-ew7rx 24 күн бұрын

"Whenever he attempts to appear down to earth he seems to struggle a little" - understatement of the year? The real threat would be if tactical voting becomes a widespread practice and that will certainly raise the LD numbers.

@lucforand8527 24 күн бұрын

It doesn't matter who the conservative leader is; the people are fed up with them!!!

@blackroseangel123 20 күн бұрын

Having the Tories completely out of politics and not even in opposition would be such an amazing turn for Britain. We could advance so quickly without them holding us back

@Ivy64_ 24 күн бұрын

on polling day my local Lib dem MP went around my entire village to remind people to vote. This came after a hand written letter address to my house a couple weeks prior. pretty cool. My local tory candidate had a red flyer sent out with the tory logo buried at the bottom on the back of it. take a guess who's more popular here

@user-bs7cq8kw8j 24 күн бұрын

I dont think so, I think the Big questions is if Lib Dems + SNP is larger than conservatives

@MrOats-bs1ry 24 күн бұрын

I don't think SNP will do well... maybe a couple of seats but I don't think their gonna have a stranglehold over Scotland

@user-bs7cq8kw8j 24 күн бұрын

@@MrOats-bs1ry yes, but if they lose half their seats they still have 20

@gordonmackenzie4512 24 күн бұрын

@@MrOats-bs1ryIpsos Mori has SNP 48, Labour 7, Libdems 2, Tory 0, Reform 0. That’s polling done in Scotland only and not modelled on swings in England.

@20quid 23 күн бұрын

It's almost impossible just because of how FPTP works, but it would be amazing if it did happen.

@ericajohnson3504 24 күн бұрын

I think, perhaps wrongly, that if people vote tactically to get the Tories out, then the Lib Dems may well be second in terms of seats and become the Official Opposition. Whether this is a good thing or not we would have to wait and see.

@dianeirvine7624 24 күн бұрын

After 4 years of labour - I guarantee you’ll vote for anyone .

@jsdcool3401 24 күн бұрын

It always confuses me that "reform" is a far right part. Like that seems like the opposite of what the right wants to do

@brookechang4942 23 күн бұрын

If the American right is any indication, responding to being perceived as a "divided party" by booting their leader will be exactly what happens.

@MichaelTavares 24 күн бұрын

Maybe we’ll see the Tories get behind electoral reform, proportional representation!

@britishninja 24 күн бұрын

Live in surrey, despite being a labour supporter labour has no presence or chance here atm Lib-dems will likely win here but i wonder how much of that victory, and other libdem heavy areas are simply being backed up by tactical labour votes and not because they actually like the libdems.

@Worldmisery 24 күн бұрын

Fuck the elections. This country is not a democracy.

@EnordAreven 24 күн бұрын

we need to talk more about The Greens.

@joerowland9128 24 күн бұрын

They already have The Greens are the worst out if the big parties Even Conservatives are better Greens don't even talk about how to deal with the UK rising crime rate Or talks about how to deal with immigration crisis which is causes houses to become unaffordable for the youth And they net zero policies will make the cost of living crisis even worse The greens will not get more then 2 constituency in the general election which is good news for our country

@comparethequeercat 24 күн бұрын

No, we don't. They'll never have any serious role in government because they're further left than labour, and the country is not, and never will be

@swausgebouwen143 24 күн бұрын

Yeah: we need to talk about how their platform is just the lib Dems policies with "wanting to leave NATO, enact a one child policy, and ban the sale of meat" tacked on. No comprehensive plans.

@oliverleonard7730 24 күн бұрын

2 seats Brighton Pavilion and Bristol Central.

@Infinitystar225 24 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, I don't see them gaining a large number of seats when they're only at 2 right now.