Well, we all knew it was coming sooner or later, and the time has finally come. MauLer and I take on The Final Frontier, and ask ourselves the question - what does God need with a starship?
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@Starwarslegorob4 ай бұрын
“What does God need with a starship”?
@justskip45954 ай бұрын
Beer?
@troopcaptain4 ай бұрын
Why not?
@johnaugustin54474 ай бұрын
"You don't ask The Almighty for his ID!"
@mb20004 ай бұрын
To carry his wisdom beyond the Great Barrier apparently.
@christophertaylor91004 ай бұрын
Its a great line and it almost, almost made the movie worthwhile But honestly I have no memory of what happens in the movie after this line, though. Like I thought it ended there with 'god' being blown up.
@UberBman4 ай бұрын
“- Kirk: Damn it Spock! God damn it! - Spock: Captain, what have I done? - Kirk: What you've done is betray every man on this ship! - Spock: Worse I've betrayed you. I do not expect you to forgive me. - Kirk: Forgive you? I oughta knock you on your goddamned ass! - Spock: If you think it would help.” -Bones: Do you want me to hold him Jim?" LOL. That exchange between the three of them was gold.
@MajorVanBloodnok4 ай бұрын
They pretty much perfected the character interplay in this. Before giving them more of an arc than most of the show. Genius
@danij50554 ай бұрын
Kirk: "You stay outta this" I absolutely love the dialogue between the three in this movie.
@SuperDonaldduck774 ай бұрын
Favourite line must be Kirks: "I need my Pain."
@tkopp109764 ай бұрын
I swear that line makes up for everything else, and let's be honest, a previously and afterwards never mentioned "energy barrier" and an unknown, powerful entity, is just any ST episode of the week. Kirk witnesses how Bones is changed by going through the purge and knows he will not be the same person afterwards. That's why he rejects the "healing". But at the same time, Spocks brother isn't totally off his rocker. He is focused and determined, not a crazy villain. I think this movie gets more hate than it deserves for what it accomplishes.
@la_scrittice_vita4 ай бұрын
Yes, a good friend was suffering terrible chronic pain after a stroke and he would quote that one line from a bad movie for comfort, to give his awful situation context. I can forgive the film anything because of it.
@aurorauplinks4 ай бұрын
@@la_scrittice_vitafrom the darkest corners of life sometimes we find the most surprising reminders of why life matters. (this film is being compared to a dark corner of life in this scenario :D ) I am very sorry for your friend, but glad he found something good in life in not just that but in the rest of it as well that brought him comfort and purpose
@Beuwen_The_Dragon4 ай бұрын
It is goofy, full of plot holes and cheese, but there are some great character moments, and I still absolutely love it. ^.-.^
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
The stuff in Yosemite is honestly really good, it just belongs in a different movie. Outside of maybe the Romulan lady, who is so irrelevant that as a turbo Trekkie I have never even bothered to learn her name, the cast for this were all quite talented actors. Too bad they were given such an awful script.
@winkles23144 ай бұрын
I love that Mauler’s expectations are now lowered for the banger that is Star Trek VI
@aurorauplinks4 ай бұрын
the best sci fi political film that isnt star wars or starship troopers.
@PanzerblitzRnR4 ай бұрын
I find it odd how the concept of the Enterprise crew encountering "God" is antithetical to Star Trek when it was a semi-regular occurrence on TOS.
@kibagami744 ай бұрын
Yeah, Drinker hasn't really gotten into the original series, I suspect it's too dated/low budget for him. I could probably think of a half dozen or more episodes where some form of God is encountered or debated. Even the Roman episode where Uhura mentions "not the Sun up in the sky but the Son of God", an overt reference to Christ.
@morganseppy51804 ай бұрын
Right, I grew up with Trek on at 3p when i got home from school. It was theatrical and often questioned gods and charlatans.
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
They met Apollo once. (Who Mourns for Adonais?) They went to a planet that was in the midst of a literal Christian uprising. (Bread and Circuses) And they treated it as an absolute good. There was a Space Jesus, from an alien planet, a second actual Christian messiah, in Star Trek, prior to this movie.
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
And much like how the first movie pretty mush lifts the plot of the episode _The Changeling,_ this one is very much a rehash of the episode _The Way to Eden._
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
In the Animated series they met Satan before and made friends with him. In the children's cartoon.
@packman76314 ай бұрын
Kirk: "You mean he's your 'brother' brother? Spock: Kirk: "You made that up." Spock: "I did not." Kurtzman: "And here's his step-sister!" Spock: "You made that up." Kurtzman: "Yeah, I did."
@Chadsolderbrotherbrad11114 ай бұрын
Get a life nerds 😊
@SansoHumar4 ай бұрын
Nerds Never Ever Really Disrespected Son
@Deridus4 ай бұрын
@@Chadsolderbrotherbrad1111 Nerd inherited the world 20 yeaes ago, son. Case and point 2/22 dudes playing MW2 getting TPK's by teenagers... in 2010.
@peterdrieen68524 ай бұрын
Good one!
@fredherbert27394 ай бұрын
The thing is it isn't "God", it's just another powerful being. In TOS they encountered Apollo from ancient Greece, and other seemingly omnipotent beings. It's just not well done or well explored here.
@aurorauplinks4 ай бұрын
Despite everything about this movie, as everyone always says. It has the one good lesson in it that is worth the whole thing existing. Who are we if we lose the experiences and the pain that those experiences caused, that define us, and lead us to becoming better people, making better choices, trying to actually help other people, and make the world a better place?
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
The trauma of watching Star Trek V has definitely helped shape who I am as a person. I don't know if I'm a better person because of it, but I am who I am in some part because of it.
@mikeok84784 ай бұрын
You should Add Galexy Quest to the list.
@hailcthulhu4194 ай бұрын
It's funny that this one went so far off the rails, but they completely stuck the landing with Undiscovered Country. It's actually impressive to see that kind of recovery.
@peterdrieen68524 ай бұрын
Exactly. Today any Studio would ban a franchise to their streaming hell after burning that much money.
@markamorosi31134 ай бұрын
I have to say the Jerry Goldsmith score is amazing!
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
It's actually pretty consistent that Spock doesn't talk about his personal life or family. Kirk didn't know about Spock's arranged marriage until Spock went through pon'far, which he also learned about in that moment. He didn't know Spock's father was the Vulcan ambassador until the Enterprise had to transport the Vulcan ambassador. Spock's parents are standing right in front of Kirk and Kirk doesn't know they're Spock's parents. Spock is very closed off about his personal life.
@AdamErwin-uk7uj4 ай бұрын
First ST film i watched, with my grandfather. And its one of the few that has an assigned mission, crew on the Enterprise, in uniform, with their stuff, exploring the unknown, doing the stuff they would regularly do in the series (no time travel, no mutiny, no cadets, no pajamas). Really enjoyed the Observation Lounge. But i understand why it didnt do well.
@UberBman4 ай бұрын
It has its flaws. Many from behind the scenes with production issues. But, it did feel like a big budget version of a TOS episode. The banter between the three leads was the most on point it ever had been. Yeah I liked the observation Lounge too. It felt that version of the Enterprise Ten Forward.
@FreshPez4 ай бұрын
This is why I like Star Trek 6 so much. The ONLY movie where the ship is working and fully crewed. It made the most sense.
@tatersquad20004 ай бұрын
There are some great moments in this film. I think the hate is disproportionate.
@Beuwen_The_Dragon4 ай бұрын
Agreed ^.-.^
@iantaylor23314 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree. I said the same above. I think it’s better than Into Darkness for example and Insurrection.
@Promance23004 ай бұрын
It really is. It's one of those "the internet told me to hate it" things
@morganseppy51804 ай бұрын
You must remember the context. This was the worst Star Trek movie _when it came out._ (or the 1st movie). That's where the collective opinion was formed.
@laurarules36424 ай бұрын
I bought it on VHS back in the day and no internet back then and I really enjoyed the film. I just don't get the hate its like a feature length TOS episode
@FlorianD304 ай бұрын
Drinker, "It's a spaceship, it's not like it can land." J.J Abrams, "MY Enterprise can not only land, it can dive, is WAY bigger and has the biggest brewery inside you've ever seen!"
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
Well I mean a constitution class can at least fly in atmosphere. And an intrepid class, though not invented yet, being slightly bigger than a constitution actually can land on the surface.
@HoLeeFuk3174 ай бұрын
Did anyone think the entity was actually supposed to be God in film? I never thought that. I felt it was just some powerful being we had not seen before similar to the Q. It was imprisoned long ago by his species or some other powerful race and then manipulated spocks brother through telepathy in order to escape. The story definitely isn't great but i never thought it was actually supposed to be about God.
@user-oh7cj3no5y4 ай бұрын
That's what it turns into yes. But the idea before meeting him was he maybe God. Star Trek had the race that were worshipped by God by the Greeks, so it does play with the idea of a sufficiently advanced society being indistinguishable from magic. Like Babylon 5s Vernon's appearing in BC Earth would be the basis for angels.
@Blink_____4 ай бұрын
my take, as a kid, was that Sybok somehow manifested this thing into existence and it was trapped there, plotting and scheming to finally get out. "A vision you created. An eternity I have been imprisoned in this place"
@Promance23004 ай бұрын
I like the take from the movie The Fourth Kind. "Not God, but powerful enough to pretend to be" something to that effect.
@jimjam510754 ай бұрын
There was a TNG novel ("Q-Strike") that partially deals with "God" in this being an exiled Q called "The One".
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
There's an episode of TNG that most people forget about, which seems to feature another alien entity similar to this one that isn't so hostile and malevolent. The implication is that there is this race of powerful floating glowing head creatures at the center of the galaxy that just imprisoned this one bad guy because he violated their moral code or whatever. The rest of them are probably pretty chill, and minding their own business at the center of the galaxy doing giant floating glowing head things. Star Trek in general is pretty weird when it comes to the cosmos. The Federation, and its neighbors, exist in a pretty small part of one arm of the Milky Way. There seems to be pretty normal regions of space in the Delta and Gamma Quadrants as well. But venture outside of those areas and very quickly there be dragons. Go out to the edge of the galaxy and your ESPers are gonna get godlike powers and go crazy. Get near the center of the galaxy and you'll encounter ancient godlike beings. Stray into unexplored regions and you're likely to encounter a Nagilum.
@gsedlack4 ай бұрын
Published today For 92-year-old actor William Shatner, it takes minimal reflection of his illustrious Hollywood career to pinpoint his biggest regret. Speaking candidly about his 1989 film, "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier," Shatner implies that the project was doomed from the start. He reprised his role as Adm. James T. Kirk in the film, which he originally played in the TV series. "I wish that I’d had the backing and the courage to do the things I felt I needed to do. My concept was, "'Star Trek' goes in search of God," and management said, ‘Well, who’s God? We’ll alienate the nonbeliever, so, no, we can’t do God,’" he explained to The Hollywood Reporter. "And then somebody said, ‘What about an alien who thinks they’re God?’ Then it was a series of my inabilities to deal with the management and the budget," he said of the subsequent steps to making the film, in which he served as director. "I failed. In my mind, I failed horribly." "When I’m asked, ‘What do you regret the most?,’ I regret not being equipped emotionally to deal with a large motion picture. So in the absence of my power, the power vacuum filled with people that didn’t make the decisions I would’ve made," he lamented. When it was released, the "Star Trek" film was criticized for its lack of execution and being an overall disappointment. Shatner noted that he takes all the blame, even if people question his budget or the support he had in hindsight. "It is on me," he reiterated, giving an example of mismanaging his $30 million budget. "[In the final scene] I wanted granite [rock creatures] to explode out of the mountain. The special effects guy said, ‘I can build you a suit that’s on fire and smoke comes out.’ I said, ‘Great, how much will that cost?’ They said, ‘$250,000 a suit.’ ‘Can you make 10 suits?’ He said, ‘Yeah.’" "That’s $2.5 million. You’ve got a $30 million budget. You sure you want to spend [it on that]?" he remembers thinking. "Those are the practical decisions," he said. Shatner's plan famously didn't materialize due to mechanical issues toward the end of filming.
@sdfried48774 ай бұрын
Captain Kirk, no longer Admiral. I love when an article fucks up in the first paragraph. However, Shatner’s recollection of the studio not wanting to commit to God for fear of offending non-believers is ironic , considering that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, released the same year, confirmed the reality of Jesus Christ as Lord, and that film was directed by the very Jewish Steven Spielberg.
@samuelshafik27784 ай бұрын
Not to mention that Deforest Kelly made the suggestion to thie exact plot of this film on the Tom Snyder show years earlier.
@MrWhipple422 ай бұрын
Good for him for realizing his failings. But he still doesn't realize that his original, unexecuted idea was also crap.
@sdfried48772 ай бұрын
@@MrWhipple42 The movie fails both in terms of concept and execution. Even the question “What is God?” is only as good as the answer you come up with. Ultimately, we got an imposter and I’m okay with that. It’s one of the few parts of the story that works.
@MrWhipple422 ай бұрын
@@sdfried4877 The Star Trek TOS series did more than a few turns at "the imposter god." All of them were better than how ST5 dealt with it. We never even find out what the being at the center of the universe was, and then we get Kirk's on-the-nose remark about the human heart, which has no setup and therefore no payoff.
@MrNpc814 ай бұрын
I unironically love this film
@morganseppy51804 ай бұрын
I loved it as a kid when it came out. It feels a lot like the original series, just like the 1st movie (although on 'ludes or something).
@chrislyne3774 ай бұрын
Me too!
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
You're all objectively wrong.
@MrNpc813 ай бұрын
@@fakecubed yeah ok Sybok, was that message given to you by God?
@SheldonAdama174 ай бұрын
“I know this bar like the back of my hand!” (BONK) “Nah it’ll be fine!”
@jonathanyaloussa4 ай бұрын
File this under "words that preceded unfortunate events."
@R.J.Godzilla814 ай бұрын
It’s funny how you have the loose of trilogy of 2, 3, & 4 that’s book ended by movies where characters are in search of their creators. You have Vyger in Motion Picture who’s on a quest to find and talk to its creator, and now we have Final Frontier where the Enterprise and its crew who go looking for their creator.
@Amoschp5244 ай бұрын
God should have been Roddenberry in the end, HeShe should do this movie.
@generalscheisskopf74354 ай бұрын
Still a masterpiece compared to the JJ Abrams abominations, which I still can't believe Leonard Nimoy was a part of.
@jdranetz4 ай бұрын
"Sybok is my brother." "You just made that up".
@rooks17244 ай бұрын
It has some great quotable lines and, imo, one of the best soundtracks of any Trek movie - both "The Mountain" and "A Busy Man" are gorgeous pieces of music.
@Scorpio20744 ай бұрын
Still pales in comparison to Wrath of Khan. I had that soundtrack on loop back then.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
There are some great scores in Star Trek. This one I never think about even a little.
@johnatkin82804 ай бұрын
I would love for the studio to go back and give this a "Special Edition" or an actual "Director's Cut" for streaming and physical media. One of the biggest issues is the bad VFX, which could easily be fixed today. Replace the starship VFX and the "god planet", and would help improve the look of the film a great deal. I doubt they would spend the money to incorporate the rock monsters, but at the very least they could redo the VFX that made it in the film.
@sdfried48774 ай бұрын
RELEASE THE SHATNER CUT!
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be weird if Spock had another sibling he never mentioned?
@All2Meme4 ай бұрын
Nobody learned their lesson here, did they?
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
@@All2MemeIt is like: Ben Affleck "I'm gonna do a movie where I have a relationship with a lesbian." Kevin Smith "we did that movie, it's called Chasing Amy." Ben: "But it is JLo this time!" Only in this case, they put a chick in it, and made her lame and gay.
@JMUDoc4 ай бұрын
I realized a few years ago that this was the first film I ever watched at the pictures. Was taken with a friend and his dad when I was around four years old, and I was left with an incredibly strong memory that I couldn't place: a giant face, floating in a glowing blue cloud. When I watched it (it turned out) again, it was a case of "core memory unlocked".
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
I had an experience like that with a line from Armageddon a few years back.
@strambino14 ай бұрын
There were so many great character interactions in Star Trek V. The whole Yosemite part tells so much about Kirk Spock and McCoy. The end was just slapped together though.
@OceanbornAngel4 ай бұрын
I love how Shatner pulled the "Spock has a secret sibling." long before Kurtzman did. Oh, and would it not have been great if "God" turned out to have actually been Charlie X from the Classic 60's show? If my fellow Trek fans remember he was quite angry with Kirk for sending him back. I just thought, I'd have made Sybok a creation of Charlie X and he implanted false memories of him being Spock's brother, created to lure them to his Time Out spot and free him. Of course the Enterprise would be the only ship because that's the only ship Charlie encountered of significance to him.
@UberBman4 ай бұрын
Wow, that story would have been amazing. The only thing that hypothetically could have derailed such a plot is the powers at be at the time may have not wanted to dredge up another character from the original series ah la Khan.
@theinnerlight80164 ай бұрын
Great idea. Don't let Kurtzman read it though... He's gonna f that up easily. 😂
@OceanbornAngel4 ай бұрын
@UberBman But a resourceful writer could have made mention of that as pertaining to Kirk's past and his decisions catching up to him. Plus, mentioning what happened in Wrath of Khan would have been a good callback and connective strands to the previous movies. In watching the Classic series, Kirk left a lot of loose ends in several loose ends. Would be only natural to have tied them up. I'm half tempted, given putting myself in a more stable living situation with less stress, to write out a fanfiction based on my idea.
@OceanbornAngel4 ай бұрын
P.S. Can it be said that Kirk's life is a continual Kobayashi Maru test? He may have cheated by reprogramming the simulation, but everything in his life has had elements of the test show through.
@paulharrison81524 ай бұрын
What if God had been Tralaine?
@73rmin8r4 ай бұрын
Still better than Nemesis. And every single Star Trek thing made after 2005.
@Deridus4 ай бұрын
Nemesis would have been a great 2 parter, but honestly, never should have been made.
@PetersonZF2 ай бұрын
Yep. Also better than Generations.
@MrMikellsof884 ай бұрын
Trekker: A serious, more committed fan of the franchise. Trekkie: Not the above.
@Promance23004 ай бұрын
Remember, if you count Picard Season 3 as canon, Kirk is not in fact dead.
@bronstet4 ай бұрын
Really fun watchalong. ❤ When I was in college, I treated all of my siblings to STV:TFF as a treat on opening night. We waited an hour in line and talked to other happy excited fans to pass the wait. The excitement was truly palpable. As we waited in line, the 5 pm showing audience came out and I excitedly asked a guy exiting how it was. He looked at me with a pause and then finally in our ever so polite Canadian way managed to utter, "Eh, it was okay." It clearly wasn't. 😮 His disappointment was so palpable that the crowd literally went silent. I knew right then and there I was going to regret bringing my little brothers and sisters along. I failed to learn my lesson and when I graduated and got my first job, I treated them all to Star Trek: Generations. Gee, I wonder why none of them to this day give a rat's ass about Star Trek. 😂
@iantaylor23314 ай бұрын
This movie is a guilty pleasure for me. I think it’s a bit underrated. Not perfect though. I personally give it a 7/10. Can understand of course why some people don’t like it (cheap visual effects, disappointing ending). Big pluses for me are the relationships between the big three (the pain scene in particular is fantastic and among the best in the series). Jerry Goldsmith’s score (particularly A Busy Man).
@cympimpin204 ай бұрын
I'm so glad Undiscovered Country is next. Mauler is really gonna love the high note the TOS crew goes out on.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
They might record it this weekend, apparently. If the latest Open Bar is to be believed.
@paulicke34833 ай бұрын
I like star trek 5 because it's got the original cast,it reminds me of the original TV series,the chemistry of the characters,love the music from the late great Jerry goldsmith 🖖
@hairywelder51884 ай бұрын
David Warner had an interesting career
@mb20004 ай бұрын
Yeh, he was a Klingon, showed Picard four lights, commanded HMS Renown, and then went down with the Titanic!
@jjHunsecker4 ай бұрын
He was in The Omen (1976). His character lost his head... so to speak 😏😉
@hairywelder51884 ай бұрын
Time After Time Tron Time Bandits
@werdna90064 ай бұрын
He should be remembered as a grand British icon. The man's professional life is incredible with all he done. Had the great pleasure of meeting him and talking with him at a convention years ago. Very aproachable and a real pleasure. RIP Mr. Warner.
@112Famine4 ай бұрын
There is a good two part episode of Dr Who, they are called "The Impossible Planet" & "The Satan Pit", where Doc & Rose meets Satan. Was the 10th Doctor, David Tennant, June 2006.
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
There's an episode of Star Trek The Animates Series where they go to the center of the galaxy and meet Satan, and then they make friends with him, and Kirk battles a 16th century puritan in a wizard duel using magic spells, and I wish I was making any of this up.
@ADayintheLifeoftheTw4 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for you guys to do this one. It single handedly made me love old Trek.
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
The cognitive dissonance of that makes me either sorry for you, or respect you greatly.
@jimjam510754 ай бұрын
I kind of agree. I liked Trek before this film, and it was a bad film especially when you stack it up against the other five. But it's likeable enough and smart people with good intentions made it...unlike today. It was just a classic example of smart people making too many very bad decisions.
@ADayintheLifeoftheTw4 ай бұрын
Spock: "Are we having fun?" 🤨
@bigmkilo67634 ай бұрын
I must be crazy, but i love this movie.
@Deridus4 ай бұрын
You're not alone. It's one of my favorites.
@Promance23004 ай бұрын
Nah, the internet just enjoys dunking on it. It's good
@andrewmclachlan4242Ай бұрын
You are Not alone!😉🖖
@Promance23004 ай бұрын
It's the type of bad film you love though. Some very quotable moments, especially the conversation about needing one's pain.
@spenser99084 ай бұрын
Jerry Goldsmith makes this movie for me.
@j.r.cruzaguirre27344 ай бұрын
Best line from the film is, “bourbon and beans, an explosive combination.”
@thelaughingrouge4 ай бұрын
The movie overall isn't great, but it does have some of the best lines in Star Trek. Kirks"I've always known I'll die alone." Is such a great scene.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
It's a good scene, but a really weird line unsupported by anything else anywhere in the Star Trek canon. It seems to only exist so that Spock can tell him he wasn't alone at the end of the film, in a pretty terrible scene.
@jasonbowser57543 ай бұрын
I gotta say….I love this movie. For me, I loved TOS because of the big 3. Sure, some were solid and some were crap but the big 3 always kept me engaged and they were front and center in this movie.
@b.buster.4 ай бұрын
Gary has to be a guest on today, maybe even AZ if he's not gaming. Under a thousand to go for Gary reaching 1 million !!! LET'S GO!!!!!
@AROtotheN4 ай бұрын
Gary and AZ can get stuffed.
@PrivateCitizen844 ай бұрын
The best thing about ST noob Mauler he will end the movie run on a banger after the worst ST movie.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
I'd really enjoy a Star Trek retrospective with Gary and Drinker and MauLer-who's-been-forced-to-watch-all-of-TOS/TNG/DS9. Is Az even a Trekkie? I've only really heard him talk about Dr. Who and comic book stuff.
@PrivateCitizen843 ай бұрын
@@fakecubed Az is a strong TNG guy (show not films). He's mentioned if more than once. The most he's chatted about it was in a stream with RnB who's an Uber fan.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
@@PrivateCitizen84 Fair enough then.
@zinnspinne85194 ай бұрын
The cat woman sound is actually just a direct sample of the opening cry from James Brown's 'I Got You (I feel good) - I shit you not.
@MrSnaztastic4 ай бұрын
I knew it! WaaaoW!
@SpartyCubsFan4 ай бұрын
Insane that you’ll watch this and not the director’s cut of Star Trek TMP. That version decidedly tightened up the pacing in addition to upgraded sound and special effects. It’s my third favorite movie in the franchise now
@Churnabog4 ай бұрын
mauler needs to feel your pain, share it with him.
@user-oh7cj3no5y4 ай бұрын
Isn't that the basis of EFAP? 😂
@erictate93574 ай бұрын
I’ve loved Star Trek since I was a kid, which I got from my Dad, so thanks to you and Mauler for doing this… It’s probably my favorite thing out of all the great things y’all do…
@Hawkeye264 ай бұрын
There's my argument, where's my "The Shatner Cut"???
@TL-cc8kc4 ай бұрын
Tree is still there in the first shot, where the camera circles Kirk and moves into a wide shot.
@captainjadi89244 ай бұрын
Absolutely precious how the drinker impersonates the American televangelist 😂❤️
@tyshekka4 ай бұрын
When I first saw the movie, I thought Kirk meant he would die alone because somebody prophesied it. But recently I realized he meant that he would die alone because he has no one to come home to.
@UndyingNephalim4 ай бұрын
1:37:50 They actually cheekily address that in the TNG episode "The Nth Degree." In fact it's kind of implied the giant ghost head aliens in that episode are the same beings as the fake god in this movie.
@jrsanders12124 ай бұрын
The best part about this video is that implies you guys will do Undiscovered Country relatively soon.
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
Before TNG: Trekkie - the people who memorized Yeoman Rand's Cabin #, and the Combination to Kirk's safe. Trekker - the people who went deeper Trekkist - the people who didn't worry about the trivia, and focused on the themes and philosophies After TNG: Trekkie - fans of TOS Trekker - fans of TNG I'm sure there is now a variation between fans of TOS/TAS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and the novels based on them fans of JJ Trek movies fans of Kurtzman trek (DIS, SNW, LD, PRO, PIC)
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
I would hope William Shatner would remember that Kirk had a brother. He fucking played him.
@DoctorDave54 ай бұрын
Hey, I just watched this again yesterday! It’s not the best but there are a number of great character moments to enjoy.
@kurtb84744 ай бұрын
Let me help with distinguishing Trekkies from Trekkers: ''Trekkies'' act they believe the Star Trek universe is real. They walk, talk and act out Star Trek. I've seen some who walk around in public wearing Star Trek costumes (aside from the conventions). They even go to work that way. I met one guy years ago who legally changed his name to James T. Kirk. They spend thousands of dollars on anything Star Trek. And anything even remotely labeled "Star Trek" is fine with them. ''Trekkers'' see Star Trek as a brilliant form of entertainment. Star Trek let's us engage in the suspension of disbelief for an hour or two at a time. It's an established vehicle to tell good sci-fi stories with. We might wear a t-shirt with a Star Trek logo and even cosplay for a convention, but we live in the real world. Some of us like to produce our own type of fan art from drawings to paintings and to fan films. We are fans of Star Trek, but we're picky about it. I've been a Trekker since 1970 and I've always identified as one. And I suppose there's nothing wrong with being either. It's up to everyone individually to identify as one or the other or something else.
@robertcovino48894 ай бұрын
This movie is often said to be the second worst of the six films but I really enjoy it. The exchanges between the crew are some of the funniest in my opinion but as long as I’m entertained I don’t complain much 🤷🏻♂️
@sdfried48774 ай бұрын
Second worst? Who said that?
@newtpondskipper4 ай бұрын
I'll comment on pain that for myself it has been a strict teacher and has shaped me as a man. Half of my strength of character and empathy of others is from the pain and struggles I've been through. I've seen what individuals are like who have never struggled or felt pain or loss and I thank God that I am not like those shadow people.😊
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
Some of my pain has been useful, but I'd get rid of 90% of it in a heartbeat if I could.
@JohnKollar4 ай бұрын
Hiya guys - they had a wonderful book called the Kobayashi Maru where they show what happens to multiple characters when they were faced with the scenario - Scotty, Sulu and Chekov if memory serves, and it was very good. They also had they go to IRL version as well - (a "super entity" - puts them there) - but the character development was very interesting in the book and shows how they approach the situations. When you talked about an alternative cut where they dealt with all the pain of the characters it made me thing of this.
@nathanddrews4 ай бұрын
I like this movie more than any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry. I appreciate the intent behind it, to return to the classic TOS dilemmas regarding the nature of man/God, wrestling with the core of being. Just a shame they couldn't nail that theme down better. That said, Undiscovered County is my absolutely favorite of all the films.
@dappledarling25644 ай бұрын
"trekkie is derogatory. Trekker is not." A trekkie has lost touch with reality might show up to a town meeting dressed as a Klingon.
@captaincrunch4164 ай бұрын
This council has no honor!! I will build a shed in my backyard for the glory of the Klingon empire!!!
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the die alone line is about the complete trust Kirk has for Spock and McCoy specifically.
@Edax_RoyeauxАй бұрын
Also he did die alone in Generations originally, shot in the back and forgotten about, but that didn't test well so they had Kirk die under a bridge instead.
@Fardawg4 ай бұрын
The difference between Trekkie and Trekker is based on who is defining it. You can find people insisting real fans are Trekkies and others saying real fans are Trekkers, and the same goes for what to call causal vs committed fans and "serious & thoughtful" fans vs those who will consume any Trek related merch. In my opinion, Trekker was basically a pretentious term used by those who wanted to distance themselves from being called Trekkies because of the stigma.
@UnitedAgainstNPCs4 ай бұрын
Bones saying Kirk about Spock - “god I liked him better before he died”
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
Shut up Bones! You were killed by a giant toy knight made out of grass!
@Ravenscroft824 ай бұрын
One of life's simple pleasures is watching you two erudite gentleman viewing cinema together. Could easily do this every day. Star Trek 5 had glimpses of greatness but so much of it was rushed, including the ideas. I never bought Scotty and Uhura, either. This was the only one I didn't see in theater, oddly enough. Will you be reviewing the following films? I'd be interested but totally understand if you didn't.
@73rmin8r4 ай бұрын
A photon torpedo is significantly more powerful than a nuke. Kirk and Co. run 50 ft and duck into a ditch and survivie a photon torpedo strike called directly down on their position. Didn't even need a refrigerator.
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
Not as bad as in Voyager when they detonate a volley of six of them right outside the window everybody's standing next to.
@bittergenxmutant29444 ай бұрын
Kinda stupid but like it. Love Jerry Goldsmith´s score.
@SavingStarTrek4 ай бұрын
Of all the movies theyve made WHY does this one have no Dorector Cut? they did it for every other movie and theres admissions this movies effects were messed up. William Shatner deserves a final say. the man is Epic
@able34bravo374 ай бұрын
I could see Sean Connery playing Sybok, especially at the age he would've been when this was made. I definitely wouldn't take him as Sybok over him in Last Crusade, of course. Not in a million years. But I think he would've been pretty great in this role as well.
@tdegrddeehjgd4 ай бұрын
What does God need with a starship?
@montalban56734 ай бұрын
This film answered the question of how many ears does Captain Kirk have? A left ear, a right ear and a Final Front Ear!
@herekblood4 ай бұрын
Faith requires consent or at least acceptance of powerlessness in the face of something more powerful than you. This story makes more sense from a philosophical point of view than a simple action movie framework.
@BenjaminRose374 ай бұрын
Here's my problem with Nimbus III: Why is there no security for the ambassadors? The UN has security. Embassies have security. As a crew chief in the USAF I have personally launched a fully armed F-15 to protect the President when he was attending the G8 summit. There is no way this planet, especially Paradise City, would be left unprotected.
@mykin39454 ай бұрын
From what I heard, the Klingon shooting the Satellite scene was actually Shatner taking a dig at The Motion Picture. Something about making a statement about how his movie was better than that slow motion movie. Jokes on him, I guess. Though Star Trek 5 still remains a guilty pleasure for me, given that it was one of the three movies that I own (4 and 6 were the other two, if you're curious) growing up. Can't wait for you two to watch Star Trek 6!
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
Well we've already had a crack at Kirk and his insecurities and failures and regrets. The show dealt with that quite a few times, Shore Leave, City on the Edge of Forever, The Conscience of the King, The Enemy Within, Obsession, etc. I don't think we need that scene here.
@KokoBoomba2 ай бұрын
There's a big difference between watching a bad movie like "Rebel Moon" and thinking "This is so bad and I hate it" and watching this and thinking "This is so bad but I still love it because I love these characters and enjoy watching them work together." There's a lovable, nostalgic cheapness here that I can appreciate, especially when compared to today's films made for... modern audiences.
@tyshekka4 ай бұрын
Looking for God and acknowledging the varied religions of the galaxies is one of the things I like.
@JMUDoc4 ай бұрын
I'll be honest: this is the one I've been waiting for since you did the first one😁😁
@user-df4xm2vf9d4 ай бұрын
Crazy timing! Shatner just today said this film is the biggest regret of his career.
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
Cats don't like water. So if you throw a cat into a pool (haha, pool, get it?), the cat instantly dies. That's the sum total of thought that went into this entire production, summed up in one shot.
@VonDredd-E4 ай бұрын
This movie is much easier to listen to than to watch.
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
This planet is in the Triangle between the three powers. There are several starbases and patrol ships right there. Why did they need the Academy Commandant? And if he was somehow more versed on the current situation on the border than the starship captains that were a few hours away, why not put him on ANY other ship? The Ship's Log, Turbolift, Transporters all don't work - but they trust the Inertial Dampeners not to turn them into a paste?
@fakecubed3 ай бұрын
STO put Nimbus III far away from the Klingon Empire, but arguably near the border between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire. It's a little weird. I think they based it off of some non-canon map some guy published many years ago to try and fit Star Trek into what we know of our actual galaxy.
@myleskelly29504 ай бұрын
Guys that is him climbing but on a lower rock of course lol
@CoonassJedi684 ай бұрын
The one cool thing about Sybok in this was an off camera piece of trivia….Laurence Luckinbill is Lucille Ball’s son in law (married to Lucie Arnaz), and Lucy was the studio head who actually gave Trek a chance back in the 60’s.
@TheBerylknight4 ай бұрын
This film wasn't as good as the others. But it was still an enjoyable movie. The actor who played Sybok did an incredible job, because that was not an easy role to play.
@lynngreen79784 ай бұрын
The Romulan ambassador was cast because some producer demanded it.
@Oetam85664 ай бұрын
Drinker and Mauler audio commentaries are my only joy in life.
@willamahrens5384 ай бұрын
If made into more of a comedy, imagine Kirk's climb of El Capitan. You show a lot of closeups of the grueling climb like on the original. The camera pulls back and Kirk is only like 6 feet off the ground.
@christophercollard32844 ай бұрын
I was hoping this was going to be Drinker and Mauler watching the movie and commenting on it as silouhettes like MST3K.
@ggrarl3 ай бұрын
"You know, guys, it just dawned on me, how weird this movie is, you know? Kinda goofy."
@insignificantgnat93344 ай бұрын
They really did Scotty dirty in this one when you compare his job performance in the movie with how he got a derelict starship combat capable with nonexistent resources in Doomsday Machine.
@user-zw5yx8pw6u4 ай бұрын
I remember having very deep philosophical discussions after this movie I also remember that the dead poets society either came out around this time or before this, and it had an influence on the discussions that took place after this movie in the parking lot and on the ride back to the ship and even in the berthing 22:32 space.
@christophergillette71674 ай бұрын
The “marshmellon” line felt so unlike Spock that my tiny self just assumed that must be an alternate pronunciation from a different English-speaking country. (I was a very trusting little nerd)
@vskane4 ай бұрын
There’s a guy out there on the high seas who put the Blu-ray up there for a laugh. Then one weekend it gets a ton of hits and he’s no idea why. Thanks, my dude. I doubt I’ll be keeping this one.
@funkymoine8214 ай бұрын
G.Roddenberry is on the record replying ot a fan : "It's Trekkies , i should know i invented it".
@bad-people65104 ай бұрын
The Enterprise has crossed the great barrier a number of times and it's always been difficult and damaging to the ship. Apparently the inner part is the soft spot or something.
@angus_shillingbrook4 ай бұрын
This film was remade in 2021 as Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. It has the exact same plot.
@ggrarl3 ай бұрын
I'd still watch Star Trek 5 before I'd ever watch Shang-Chi or Prometheus.