@@MONKEY-vi7hx that’s unfortunate to hear. I never had to do anything with my old 880’s. Same with this 2100, I’ve just been shooting them how they came out of the box with the addition of the matching scopes.

Cool! Just got back from 4th festivities a couple of hours ago. Took a little nap and... Tada! New video. 👍 Good shooting BTW. I like both guns in their old original metal forms. As MONKEY-vi7hx stated, the barrel in the 880 can be stabilized, actually in both guns. I don't know what hardware stores that you have in AK but we have Home Depot here and I use those 1 1/2 nylon spacers that you find in the hardware drawers. Use masking tape to snug the spacer up inside the barrel shroud, closest to the receiver. The old tapered barrel Crosman 766 actually had a barrel stabilizer in it but it was removed when Crosman moved toward the uniform barrel shroud. I've done a trigger jobs in both. You can get the 2100 exceptionally smooth. I think I've mentioned things I've done to both guns on your other videos. What I don't like in both guns is... No rubber buttpad. 😂 Iol I have the same pet peeve and I find it hilarious. I don't like the fact that both guns have been dumbed down to mostly plastic. 😢 It hurts my soul. Lol

@@jackpotparty58 Ha! This was one of the most time consuming videos I’d ever filmed. It took me 5 times to finally get it done as I couldn’t get both guns to shoot well at the same time. It was super weird and got to be frustrating. Neither gun stayed consistent. Probably just the nature of guns at this price point. I’d read somewhere else about what a guy did to improve his Chinese 880. I could see spending that time and effort on an older metal 880 but not on the current one. I have my doubts whether the plastic pump handle will even last on the new 880. The only plastic parts I’m aware of in the 2100 is the piston assembly. I’ve read that guys will order the Legacy 1000 piston and swap it out basically making a new, current version of an 80’s style vintage pumper. I suspect if both these guns were out on a shelf so a guy could pick both up and handle them, the 880 would be put back down and the majority of people would walk out of the store with a 2100.

I like both guns, but I think Daisy has the edge. Easier to load, pump, and shoot with a better trigger. Barrel Mod is easy and will make your 880 perform like a 901. Just wrap some elect. tape around barrel where the receiver holds it.😋

@@robbinparker4382 I’ve been reading about people doing mods like this but is that for the new thing for the Chinese 880? I don’t remember reading about guys doing it to old style 880’s but I could have missed it.

@@precisionrodentcontrol I’m right there with you on that! I’d buy one of each caliber if they’d go back and make’m like they used to. Shooting these side by side really highlighted how chinsy the current 880 feels.

Once in great while 822's and 922's can be found on ebay ,the bad part is most what a lot of money for them . I found a 822 and restored it and switched out the plastic pump handle . The newer internals and the parts are so cheap and easy to work on .

@@scotthanson4200 I’m always impressed with the simplicity, performance and ease of service and disassembly of the 880 design. But the new gun pales in comparison to the older models in terms of feel, appearance, sense of quality and pumping feel. I don’t see why Daisy is charging a similar price for the Chinese 880 as Crosman does for the 2100 classic? The new 880 should be around $20 less than the 2100 as they’ve cheapened the feel of the gun so much over the originals. I’m now curious to see if an older 880 can be retrofitted with the parts out of the current 880? For the price of replacement exhaust valves for the older 880’s, I’d rather use the new one as a source of parts but I’m pretty sure it isn’t a direct swap. I recall watching a video where it talked about using one of the other less expensive Daisy pneumatics as a source of parts. If it weren’t for both my existing 880’s not presently working I’d never have purchased the new one. I’m glad I get money from KZfaq videos to spend on new airguns because otherwise I’d feel I’d gotten ripped off paying $60 for the current 880. I guess it’s hard to get excited about a gun when the older models felt higher quality. I’m stoked about the 2100 and even though I know they cheaper out and used plastic parts for the piston, I can upgrade those parts if and when they fail. The rest of the gun will hold together as well as my 80’s vintage Crosman & Daisy pumpers.

@@airgunsofalaska that newer 880 you were shooting is shooting those pellets' really good at 700fps with 7.87 grain pellet that is really good. my 880 is from 1975 and l have had several from 70's they are the golden 880's. l don't own a crony but l can tell up to 700 fps like your newer one. l may buy a newer one from wal-mart these newer ones seem to have really good fps on them. for some reason l like these newer ones that are out now. these 880's are really easy to rebuild most problems l have experienced is not oiled enough or it may need the 2 main 0-ring's or the buffer is worn will have play. l have not had issues with the exhaust valve on these. these 880's have a well thought out design a unique design that work's well.

@@scotthanson4200The performance of the new 880 is good. Not having wiggle in the stock was nice as well. I suspect an old style metal pump handle would fit right on, parts gun 880’s are often available on eBay. Now that I have this new one it might give me more impetus to repair my two older 880’s so I can compare them properly. I’ve read about guys swapping Winchester 1977 piston assemblies into their 880’s, I suspect we’ve probably chatted about that in the comments before. At the end of the day I still wouldn’t be happy with the end result inside the current 880 configuration. That’s just me, too much of a traditionalist for the old ones. And then there’d be the guys older than me lamenting about the junk 70’s and 80’s Daisy and Crosman pumpers when they switched from wood to plastic stocks and forearms. 🤣

I think the 2100 was equal to a 760 on steroids until recent changes and losing the FPS by 200.. So the equal in the Daisy line Is now the 880. It would have been the Winchester 1977xs or the coming in Fall 2024, new Gamo Vapor 10x using a single shot tray.NowxI guess the equal is the Crosman Legacy 1000?

@@gmanneod8085 the 880 and 2100 I would be testing with are both made back in the 90's and are a lot closer in specs than todays guns.

@@gmanneod8085 l am on the waiting list for the gamo vapor 10x l am really excited for this one from gamo looks like they took there ideas from the famous daisy 880 design but they made it it with more power and a 10 shot clip. and a special stock material very strong. but l am hoping it's a good one. if it is this will be the new air gun that will be a big seller.

@@WalnutandSteel It was interesting to shoot them side by side. I very much prefer my older 880’s over the current version. I’d never have purchased a new 880 if my old ones hadn’t quit working. I still can’t get over what exhaust valves are going for on the metal receiver 880’s. I very much like the metal receiver style 880’s.

Check out ronno6 on the forums. He sells a kit on ebay that converts your old 880 to take cheaper new style seal kit. Even includes installation tool.🤔

@@greg4161 Thanks, great idea for a video! It was fortunate that I’d already had a new style 880 already on order. Unfortunately it just confirmed my preconception that it wouldn’t be as good as my earlier, metal receiver models. I guess that said, if someone wasn’t aware of how much better the earlier models were, perhaps they’d be much more impressed with it? Perhaps they’d view the plastic construction as a bonus making the gun lighter and more resistant to atheistic wear and tear? The pumping effort is very low and the gun Chinese 880 can show impressive accuracy at times. Still, when it’s all said and done, unless a guy is really in love with the looks of the 880 or wants an easier pumping effort (also meaning more pumps for the same given power level) I guess they’d pick it over the 2100? Still, I suppose Crosman has the lighter weight covered with the Legacy 1000? Hopefully I don’t alienate any viewers with my less than stellar review of a classic like the 880. But, I can’t (and won’t) act enthusiastic about a gun that doesn’t impress me. That’s the good thing about buying all my own guns. I’m free to say whatever I want about them good or bad. The fluff not facts guy doesn’t have that liberty.

@@airgunsofalaska I'm sure to the open, rational minded observer you certainly didn't alienate anybody. I myself value objective, non-biased reviews, telling it just as you see it!

@@greg4161 thank you! That’s good to hear. I can be pretty opinionated about airguns at times and was trying hard to dial it back. Then again I also detest watching informercial type airgun reviews and have unsubscribed from a number of channels I used to have on my subscription list after getting guns they recommended and finding out they were just above hot garbage. 😆

@@pappy017 Good to hear you enjoyed the video. 😄

@@joedokes8641 Thank you! I’ll have to see if I can teach myself that pumping technique for the 880 so it is second nature. I don’t like how Daisy farmed out their spare parts to a select group of private air-gunsmiths. There is one company who’s all over eBay and Amazon that charges way too much for parts. I’ve ordered from him before not knowing I was getting ripped off. I now go out of my way to avoid giving him any business.

@@airgunsofalaska Daisy doesn't "farm out" parts. Anyone can order parts directly from Daisy then sell them on for high profit. Just buy directly from Daisy!

@@robbinparker4382 that’s not the case, at least for me. This past winter I called to order o-rings, piston assembly and an exhaust valve for my old style, metal receiver 880’s. The girl asked me if it had a metal receiver, yes I said. Then she told me they don’t sell those parts and to contact one of the gun smiths off their list. She emailed me the list. One of the vendors is JL Missouri and that company charges a lot of money for the parts.

@@airgunsofalaska there is a difference between current and out of production. That's why I suggested you contact ronno6. His retro-fit kits install in your older model, converting it to take modern seal set.

@@trevorjameson3213 Interesting! I didn’t realize Daisy made a part like that. I wonder if that was the issue with both guns as they had a tendency to regularly throw flyers. I feel like I waste a bunch of JSB pellets on the two guns trying to get them to shoot consistently for the side by side comparison. Until the very end with the 880 I really thought the 5th take was going to be the charm. 🤣

@@airgunsofalaska I don't know if that's the issue you were having, but I'm kind of thinking it is. Especially since mine shoots more consistently with that part installed. Now with the 2100 I don't know what to do. I've had mine apart a couple of times and it's even sloppier internally than the 880. I'm sure there's a way to shim that barrel too though.

@@BravoBassin Thanks for the kind words. 😄 For all their hype I don’t care for the Williams sight either due to its pain in the ass means of adjustment. The loading port on my 2100 is a hassle. It was particularly annoying when shooting wadcutters, they just didn’t want to set down in that little channel properly. I’ve been on a bit of a tear lately with new videos and testing new guns so I don’t remember the specifics of my testing with the 362 anniversary model. I really like that gun and will be showing it again. I think you’d made the comment on one of my videos that you liked that I go back a feature guns I’d shown before. I didn’t realize how seldom (or if ever) the big KZfaq airgun channels do that. I’ve come to the realization they are just wanna be influencers that care more about getting free guns for views than reviewing the guns in a truthful manner. It’ll be neat to see your video on the 362. 👍

@@airgunsofalaska yahow you have ot adjust that williams peep sight is one of my big gripes as well because it is a pain in the butt to get adjusted for sure. And I also agree with yo about the big youtube airgun channels as they are doing exactly that just being influencers and not really giving you the full truth about the guns and products they review because if they did like you said then they would not get those free air rifles sent to them to test and make videos with. I personally have called out there B.S. to some of them on there channels and have had some in depth convesations with Rick Usler over on his airggun web channel. I think Rick is a pretty decent guy but he is still beholden to the people that sponsor him and send him stuff. He did tell me what he does when he gets a bad gun he will ust send it back and not do a review on it and he will tell the company why and what the proplems are. But he also said if he does that to much then they will quit sending him stuff. I am like yo I just ry and give my honest opinion about an air rifle and talk about the pros and cons and also let people know if there are any issues with the gun. I allso think it is very inportant to do follow up videos as well with the air rifles so people can see how well it is holding up over time which is something I try and do all the time even years after owning an air rifle. Most of the big youtube airgun channels do a one and done video and then move on. anyway thanks for the reply back and keep up the great videos.

@@BravoBassinThat’s good to know about Rick Usler, I actually unsubscribed from him after my Seneca Dragonfly experience as one of his videos hyping it up helped persuade me to buy the inaccurate piece of garbage. That’s really interesting that he’ll get cut off if he sends too many turd guns back. That doesn’t surprise me at all and just shows how so many airgun reviews are complete bullshit. A few weeks ago I was reading posts in a forum from another huge KZfaq airgun channel creator bragging about how big his channel is. Guys were writing and saying he immediately puts the guns up for sale after reviewing them and then the creator starts pissing and moaning about how hard it is to make any money off a airgun focused KZfaq channel and that he should have started making cat videos. He actually said he’s making it his full time job reviewing airguns on KZfaq. 🤦‍♂️ I always find the behind the scenes, industry stuff kind of interesting. But, this experience with me creating my own channel has given me a very critical eye towards many of the reviews out there. Like you I’m just trying to share what I’ve learned and experienced. Thing is, I know I’d be beholden to any company to create positive reviews if they provided me with free product. That just turns a fun hobby into a very low paying job, shilling junk for companies who don’t give a 💩 about you. The whole influencer marketing concept makes me puke 🤮. It’s very prevalent in the powersports industry which is what my original channel focuses on. I was looking into upgrading the Williams peep sight on my 367 for one that had thumb screw adjusters. I may do that sometime in the future.

@@airgunsofalaska Man you and I think a like for sure. Most of the big youtube airgun channels are just paid salesman for what ever companies they are pushing products for even RIck is stuck in that group when it comes to having to do what his sponsors want. I refuse to do that myself as I am going to tell the truth no matter what do not care about sponsors because i am not going to have someone tell me what I can and can't say. I used to have some fishing sposors and was even on the Vibe kayak pro staff team at one time. But the day I got a phone call from the vibe rep telling me to take something down on my personal facebook post was the day I told all the sponsors I had to kiss my ass! lol! That was several years ago when I had first started my channel and was fishing tournaments for a couple years. I mean who would not want to get sent free stuff we all would but if it means compromising my honor and integrity and promoting shitty products to people well that is a big no thanks for me. As I refuse to do that. There was one guy I started watching a couple years ago and he used to just do honest reviews when he was paying for all is stuff now his channel has blown up and he has a bunch of sponosrs and he is doing what all the other big channels due and push crap stuff and tries to say it is a good gun and all that crap. I actually called him out on it when he reviewed that new Umarex complete and told him how much his channel and his honesty had changed since he started getting sponsors. I make youtube videos because I enjoy doing it and if my video helps somebody out well that is my goal as I am not making videos to sell anybody anything. I just enjoy filming the things I like and like to do I am not trying to be youtube famous lol! And I do not care to be either. But since I am so brutally honest about the things I review I am pretty sure no sponsors will be knocking on my door or trying to contact me to review there stuff lol!

@@BravoBassin It’s a shame when guys sell out. I’m not sure what they are thinking? KZfaq’s going to make them rich and famous? 🤣 I don’t understand why someone would want to have to make videos that on some company’s timeline that are nothing more than infomercials? I’m glad you are willing to call shills out in their comment sections. That allure of getting free products in exchange for reviews seems like a great deal. But unfortunately I can see how it’s changed some KZfaq channels that I really enjoyed watching. Now they just shill a bunch of cheap, garbage Chinese gun related products with Amazon affiliate tie ins. It’s quite annoying, sad and laughable all at the same time.

@@NukeCult666 In all fairness to the Chinese 880 in my video, both guns had tendencies to throw pellets at random times. I really thought I had it nailed on this take as the 880 was shooting perfect until the end. Still, overall the 880 feels really cheap compared to the 2100. It shouldn’t be in the same price range as the 2100. Daisy should be passing the savings of Chinese manufacturing on to their customers with a much lower price for the 880.

@@PapaTAdventures It was an interesting comparison to do. I was initially going to do it with one of my older 880’s but this worked out better as both guns are current production. I still can’t get over the fact that the Chinese 880 is only $4 less than the Crosman 2100 classic. For as chinsy as the 880 feels it should be $20 less.

@airgunsofalaska I've got an early Chinese made 880. I am curious to see if 2100 will stay America based on rumors I have heard from OTSA about future of NY plant.

@@PapaTAdventures I’ll have to check up on his videos. I was reading about how they moved production over to China with the Daisy plant, I fear the same thing will happen with Crosman. I guess if it comes to that I’ll enjoy my current Crosman guns and just start buying from other companies as I won’t willingly support moving USA manufacturing over to China.

@@airgunsofalaska Maybe before Bideiflation 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@myloveisajoke That’s a crazy long distance!

@@natesmith5393 I’ve not noticed my 2100 holding air after full power shots but I don’t tend to shoot it at full power level. Pumping 12 times is a drag. Sounds like they brought production of the 2100 back to the USA as that’s what my box said. I do like the guns from the 70’s and 80’s. They just feel better built overall.

Definitely could be! I’m neither enamored with nor excited that I bought a current 880 model. I’m disappointed in the direction they went with it.

I have the same concerns. If they close the factory and move Crosman production over to China I will no longer support the brand by buying their guns. I used to wear Xtra-tuff rubber boots until they closed the factory, moved all the machinery to China and restarted production there. The Chinese boots were total garbage. I switched over to Grunden boots after that which were made in the USA. They were a far better, more comfortable boot that were way easier to take off and on. I don’t know what to expect with the buy out of Crosman… I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

@@airgunsofalaska I have bad news for you, the newer 2100s are already made in China, think it happened this year. Was yours made in 2023? Hopefully they keep assembling the 362s here...

@@MilledSteel Dang, that’s unfortunate to hear. I just checked my 2100 and it’s dated June 2022. I got it for Christmas this past year so it must’ve been sitting around for quite a while in an Amazon warehouse.

@@jamescorless8283 Yeah, it’s hard to get excited about a soulless, plastic, Chinese made Daisy 880, at least for me. I quite like my Crosman 2100 however.

@@yoitired It was pretty eye opening to compare and shoot them side by side. I’m not impressed with the current, Chinese 880.

@@airgunsofalaska The 880 was a lot better deal at $35 a couple years ago, but it's tough to justify with the 760 still under $40 I like the heavier barrel on the 760 a lot.

@@yoitired $35 was definitely a better deal! I’ve not looked at a current pumpmaster 760 but I’d think the barrel could be swapped out for a rifled version? Still, I’m imagining the rest of the gun feels cheap.

@@airgunsofalaska Yeah the 760 stock and receiver feel cheap😄 The barrel is nice though it was the most accurate gun with bbs I've ever used, giving it a rifled barrel could be worthwhile since it's so incredibly light. The plastic pump handle on my Drifter fell apart pretty immediately, but with the 760 on its last leg anyway I took its pump handle for the Drifter and it feels a lot more solid than the original, just had to shorten it a bit.

@@yoitired I dislike the new pump handles that come on the Drifter and 13xx guns. I swapped out for the older style so I didn’t use the original one very long. I shot a ton of BB’s through my ‘81 760 as a kid. The rifling is still visible in its barrel.

@@garywinner1702 I had another viewer comment they moved production to China. I checked the date on my 2100 that I featured in the video and it is dated June ‘22. I just got it for Christmas in December’23. I’m bummed and disappointed to see they moved production to China. That’s really unfortunate. 🙁

@@peteralexben Well said. This current Chinese 880 is overpriced for what you are getting. This is even more evident seeing as how the 2100 is priced the same. Daisy is living on name and reputation alone with the current 880. Now that they own Crosman and Gamo in turns owns Daisy and I think it’s all owned by some larger private equity company or something along those lines I now wonder if it’ll be a race to the bottom for these two storied American brands? The Daisy 1101S impressed the heck out of me for its performance and accuracy. The 880 feels like a junker Marksman quality level gun in comparison and they only differed by about $20 in price. The Crosman 2100 compares more favorably. In any case it’s fun to compare different guns and by purchasing them myself I have the freedom to be critical of the product or manufacturer.

@@airgunsofalaska Amen brother 👍. I find myself watching more of your videos than the ( FACTS NOT FLUFF GUY).

@@joedokes8641 Thanks! I just try to show everything as truthfully as I can good or bad. The more I read and correspond with other airgunners the less I believe the sponsored “influencer” channels who get free guns from the manufacturers. I’ve got another new gun in my video queue that I’m holding off showing. The all fluff no facts guy gave it a glowing review. So far it’s not lived up to that and I’m grateful I’m not the only channel who’s had issues. I’m not yet pissed 😤, but if things don’t start turning around with it I’m going to give it a scathing review. I’m getting really sick and tired of bullshit “influencer” KZfaq reviews.