Dark Souls 3 Lore | Royal Blood: The Twin Princes, Oceiros and Ocelotte

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SmoughTown

SmoughTown

7 жыл бұрын

The incredible Alex Roe has kindly agreed to let me use his beautiful music in my videos.
Check his stuff out: / roetaka
This episode of my Lore series we continue where I left off last time but looking at the Royal Family of Lothric.
Where is Ocellotte? Why did Oceiros go mad? What is the the curse of the Princes?
These questions and more will be explored in some depth.
In particular I take a good look at the Twin Princes and the nature of their Curse.
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Alex's tracks:
(06:46) All for One: Abyss Watchers Remix
(18:00) The Curse that Binds Us: Twin Princes Remix
(27:47) Chosen Cinder

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@autismisuncontrollable4925
@autismisuncontrollable4925 7 жыл бұрын
You can hear Ocelotte during the fight, I think that when Gwynevere realised that oceiros was going mad she placed an illusion/curse on him that made him think that the child is in his arms and then she fled with the child. It's pure speculation, but why can we hear Ocelotte if he doesn't exist?
@mrtoxicwasteland
@mrtoxicwasteland 4 жыл бұрын
It's because he does exist. Priscilla was the result of a real dragon and God procreating which preserved her intelligence. Oceiros was not a real dragon and the lords of their age weren't real gods, resulting in the stillbirth of ocelots mind preventing him from becoming "real" or in other words, preventing him from showing himself in the physical form. The unnatural status of his parents results in a botched conception where the child's Gene's are impure and prevents him from having any sort of intelligence, hence the infantile nature of the child. It was unable to mature into a weapon against the gods despite all attempts by geniuses to create such a being. As we know, the chosen undead murdered the only pure dragon human offspring when we killed Priscilla. Seaths goal, based of the video "a plot against the gods", was to take revenge against the gods for their deceit. He was wrong in his choice to usurp the dragons by destroying their scales. Leaving him only with resentment and revenge which lead to the creation of a weapon against life. Ocelot was a creation with a similar purpose however he was braindead due to impure Gene's and never fulfilled his purpose before the ashen one antagonized ocieros and his father crushed him out of desperation anger and fear for his life.
@BrawlyDaStar
@BrawlyDaStar 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrtoxicwasteland the baby was still crying tho
@monroerobbins7551
@monroerobbins7551 Жыл бұрын
I also find it so fascinating that the twins are actually sympathetic to us. They say we can rest, and while Lorain defends his brother, the two just seem apathetic to the fire linking, and would rather die than do so. They put their money where their mouths are, and I respect that.
@DominusNoks
@DominusNoks 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video! But I believe there's more to Ocelotte. Oceiros does seem to be holding something. Although there has been some file mining that resulted in finding out that there is a model of presumably a baby in his hand, that's not what I'm talking about, since it's cut content. I'd like to point out to the transition to his second phase. Before going rampant, he slams whatever he holds in his hand into the ground, resulting in a splash of some purple goo and a fitting sound effect. Furthermore, there are baby cries heard during the first phase which are silenced after that. I've seen a lot of english-speaking youtubers reffering to that scene as also being cut and no one seems to analyze that, so maybe it was cut in many countries. However, I was playing a russian version of the game which is basicaly the english one with russian subtitles, but the scene was there during my playthrough, which is wierd. Am I just "lucky" to happen to be a witness to baby murder? xD It's strange that despite that Oceiros still asks "Ocelotte, where are you hiding?". I wonder if that's a mistranslation from japanese. Maybe that should sound like "Ocelotte, are you hiding?", suggesting that the dragon baby can turn invisible, just like Priscilla could.
@QuestionableObject
@QuestionableObject 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds right to me, I've noticed quite a few times the animation of throwing something to the ground in the phase transition, he's definitely holding something, it's just invisible and there's the constant crying which stops when he squashes it.
@onearmedwolf6512
@onearmedwolf6512 7 жыл бұрын
I thought ocelot was invisible similar to how Priscilla could be invisible. You can hear Ocelot crying during the boss fight. Also you can see the boss slam something on the ground during the fight.
@HaryWoodz
@HaryWoodz 10 ай бұрын
You can also hear a baby crying in the background during the fight
@epiccthulu
@epiccthulu 5 ай бұрын
but the child is crying during the entire fight, including the second phase where the child js supposed to be dead. This is why I believe the king was tricked.
@Adam-tu1qx
@Adam-tu1qx 4 ай бұрын
Ocelot has a model in cut content. So he was once meant to not be invisible.
@9Cans
@9Cans Ай бұрын
Man that makes it much more disturbingly awesome
@mitchl6896
@mitchl6896 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work, mate. One little tidbit that I'd like to add onto everything is that Oceiros' "wings" are feathered, quite unique for a "dragon." This reinforces that he acquired this element of his physiology from the work that the sages/scholars did on Gertrude, who seemed to have feathered wings (evidenced by her cell).
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
hmm excellent point Mitch! cheers for watching.
@videopostrrr
@videopostrrr 7 жыл бұрын
What about the King of Storms? That thing has feathers as well (although more badass looking than Oceiros' lets cosplay a dragon feather wings)
@mitchl6896
@mitchl6896 7 жыл бұрын
videopostrrr Pretty sure that's a Drake/Stormdrake.
@TheAshenHollow
@TheAshenHollow 7 жыл бұрын
Great job, buddy! =)
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching pal. Great to have you here
@tol9090
@tol9090 7 жыл бұрын
Your lord videos are the best because you always go deeper. You are not afraid of telling us non consensual theories. Very nice
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@YuriaNoire
@YuriaNoire 7 жыл бұрын
or ocelotte is similar to priscilla and can turn invisible, he just can't control it yet, since he's still a baby ;o
@Kely-xs8kq
@Kely-xs8kq 7 жыл бұрын
There are sound files and a texture that was in the files for the baby but they cut it because it's all kinds of messed up so Oceiros was originally supposed to be holding Ocelotte and eventually kills it during the fight
@YuriaNoire
@YuriaNoire 7 жыл бұрын
well yea thats how it was supposed to be, but with what i said you could explain why you cant see ocelotte
@OrphanMartian
@OrphanMartian 7 жыл бұрын
Or Ocelotte is Lothric's birthname, and Oceiros is just crazy.
@onearmedwolf6512
@onearmedwolf6512 7 жыл бұрын
Sorrow thats my thought as well, especially since the baby is heard crying during the boss fight
@hailfastcorexxx
@hailfastcorexxx 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I came across your channel, this was so excellent to listen to. Thank you.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for watching!
@Noobie2k7
@Noobie2k7 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love a lore video around Blades of the Darkmoon, including Sirris of the sunless realm and Yorshka, perhaps how they relate to Rosarias fingers and the Aldritch faithfull.
@celryn6999
@celryn6999 7 жыл бұрын
Yea it's SmoughTown! Your analysis of DS lore is very thoughtful keep it up!
@WhiskeyTango76s
@WhiskeyTango76s 7 жыл бұрын
Idk how the hell I missed this one.. Your channel is basically the one that got me into Dark Souls even more
@Murphio25
@Murphio25 6 жыл бұрын
For some reason, the song that plays reminds me of grand holy royalty similar to that of Gwyn. If the Queen is in fact, Gwynevere, then I guess it's reasonable to assume these are the last of Gwyn's Bloodline, or at least his Royal bloodline. The song to me, indicates how low they have fallen. Before them, they've always wanted to link the flame, but their minds were poisoned by the likes of Aldia, Kaathe, or someone who carries a similar role in avoiding linking the flame once again. The grand, and powerful, have fallen to some of the weakest forms they've ever assumed, and became a tragic opposition to the very nature their line has enforced. It's almost Shakespearean.
@bacchusendo9032
@bacchusendo9032 7 жыл бұрын
Aldia as the scholar who taught Lothric to doubt the linking of first flame is interesting theory. I still kinda prefer the theory that it was pontiff sulyvhan as we see his statue in that one courtyard with the winged knight pacing around and he keeps sending his goons(vordt, dancer, and other exiled irithyll knights) after us the farther and farther we progress in the game. Its almost as if Sulyvhan doesn't want us to defeat all these lords of cinder who are not upholding their duties by linking the flame and ultimately link the first flame ourselves. Plus, I would figure it canon that Aldia dies permanently after dark souls 2 when we get to kill him as the final boss.
@digithaze2430
@digithaze2430 7 жыл бұрын
jaime rodarte There is a hole in that theory though, Sulyvahn is forlorn. Yes those bird things, the forlorn come from ariandel and they wish to bring fire there so why would the Pontiff want to deny that fire
@TheHarrisontemple
@TheHarrisontemple 7 жыл бұрын
Digit Silverlight sulyvahn was born in the painted world he didn't become forlorn and end up there he was born there and left for he had not known loss does not sound forlorn to me.
@AqueleGamer
@AqueleGamer 7 жыл бұрын
jaime rodarte Note that you dom't recieve any reward at all for defeating Aldia, not even souls. He might have been defeated, but I don't think he actually died.
@The_Orange_Tree
@The_Orange_Tree 7 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about Prince Lothric. Good timing!
@LordOishi
@LordOishi 4 ай бұрын
Man i thought id watched all of STs videos how did i miss this one! Could tell the talent for doing good lore already present here ST os the leading Soulsborne CC imo. Looking forward to this one
@GurenPlasma
@GurenPlasma 7 жыл бұрын
I was just about to sleep. Y U TORTURE ME!?
@NAYANCAP
@NAYANCAP 7 жыл бұрын
Yus ;)
@XYZsolution
@XYZsolution 7 жыл бұрын
I hope we learn more about Gwynevere and the royal family of Lothric in one of these two dlcs.
@takingiteasy17
@takingiteasy17 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. The Twin Princes are some of my favorite characters on DS3.
@verminnalee6121
@verminnalee6121 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing work again👍
@monroerobbins7551
@monroerobbins7551 Жыл бұрын
I Gotta admit, Oceiros is probably the boss that scares me the most. The fact that you can hear baby cries during the fight, the fact that he is still believing that the baby is there, and… the idea that Oceiros, in his madness, believes that he is crushing Ocelot in his rage… it’s genuinely disturbing.
@cyprussphil2299
@cyprussphil2299 7 жыл бұрын
wow, beautiful video, fantastic lore view, I'm so glad people like yourself these vids, cos I can never link the story like this, so I NEED these lore vids to properly link the fires for me :-D hahaaaa n yours r always so well done, with exquisite detail, luv it n thanks :-D
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Really glad you enjoyed it. I love sharing my thoughts with you all :)
@kadinwisniewski6928
@kadinwisniewski6928 9 ай бұрын
Duuuude. Aldia being Lothric's private tutor that encouraged him to avoid his "destiny" to link the fire is a crazy twist
@elysium6916
@elysium6916 4 жыл бұрын
@SmoughTown i know I'm late but, you forgot to mention that during the oceiros fight you hear a baby crying multiple times during the fight, in fact right in the beginning when you first hit oceiros. He looks for and tries to talk to ocelot, but we see no ocelot? But we hear a baby. and Priscilla can make herself invisible o:
@teddyhh9947
@teddyhh9947 7 жыл бұрын
Lorian could also have chosen to take his part of his brothers curse to become an immortal undead as immortality is part of the curse indicated by Lothrics line: "Oh, dear Brother Im on my way. My brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince. Rise, if you would... For that is our curse." When you kill Lorian first time.
@jakemawhinney6222
@jakemawhinney6222 7 жыл бұрын
Jesus, you're videos are fucking amazing. Up there with the best. You really deserve so many more subs.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Haha thank you so much!
@jakemawhinney6222
@jakemawhinney6222 7 жыл бұрын
***** NP :D
@andresrygnestad7043
@andresrygnestad7043 7 жыл бұрын
Lol, i saw the video title but not the unloader. welcome back dude. missed u.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks pal!
@Und3rtow420
@Und3rtow420 7 жыл бұрын
you gotta love this unloader, he's a great unloader tho he unloads content like no unloader before him
@arisniro3167
@arisniro3167 7 жыл бұрын
A very nice video. Great job! Your video though, has made me wonder if the curse was caused by the Angels. I mean, Lothric was born feeble and unfit to fulfill his duty, maybe because of what was done to Gertrude to ensure Lothric would be the perfect Lord of Cinder. Angered, the angels cursed the young prince, leading him to be weak and unwell. This obviously upset the royal family, and Lothric's incompetence eventually led to the family's demise It's just an assumption, but a nice one to have. Thanks for the video~
@videopostrrr
@videopostrrr 7 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna throw out my theory- Ocelotte is Yorshka. Yorshka is a dragon hybrid. She is androgynous looking as heck. (id say she looks more like a guy than Gwyndolin tbh) She has the long creepy limbs of the Lothric kids. She was given a name and raised by Gwyndolin so we know she doesn't know her parents. There is a reversal ring in the tomb of the darkmoon as a pick up item. The reversal ring's power is to make people act as though they have swapped genders. Would it be too crazy to say that Gwynevere ran away from her insane husband and had the child left with Gwyndolin, who raised him in the same way that Gwyndolin was rasied? -and this is a repeat of the 'trope' that the youngest divine son is raised as a girl from DS1. (just for clarity i do not believe that all areas in DS3 are happening at the same time. I believe baby ocelotte could be in the Oceiros fight invisible like, we know crystal/dragon hybrid creatures can turn, and then can be an adult in Anor Londo, because Anor Londo time is years ahead of the High wall's time.)
@questionablerolemode
@questionablerolemode 7 жыл бұрын
I posited this as well. I thought I was alone. This makes me feel better, haha.
@videopostrrr
@videopostrrr 7 жыл бұрын
Heh, happy to help, i mean why else would FROM give us the Reversal ring, unless they wanted to draw attention to the fact hat characters genders can be reversed in DS world???? -and for me if I'm guessing at a gender flipped character my number 1 guess is Yorshka! (aside from Gwyndolin, but clearly we dont need the ring prop to know that)
@questionablerolemode
@questionablerolemode 7 жыл бұрын
You could pad the theory of it being Ocelotte really is in the room, by Yorshka saying you're strangely familiar. Again, stretch maybe, but I really think the Yorshka/Ocelotte theory has merit. Also, I believe her scales are more in line with Oceiros than Priscilla.
@OrphanMartian
@OrphanMartian 7 жыл бұрын
I think Prince Lothric is Ocelotte, just like King Lothric is Oceiros. He made a child of dragons who was destined to link the fire permanently, but he was born sickly and frail, with pale skin and clawed hands.
@stefvanroey8191
@stefvanroey8191 3 жыл бұрын
Great theories here! Definitly added to my headcanon. According to lokey (i think) gwyndolin is referred to as male in the japanese version, so he turned himself into a male succesor with the ring and then used it to hide ocelotte?
@DcLoki12
@DcLoki12 7 жыл бұрын
may have been said before but... the younger prince seems to basically be a horcrux for the older prince. he probably split his soul to save his brother from the curse but took it into him so became weaker. That's why they are so bonded but also why the older prince can be revived over and over but once the younger prince dies the older one does without needing to be killed?
@orngcreator6115
@orngcreator6115 7 жыл бұрын
Lothric is probably linked with the Angels. His attacks leave the same feather and light effects as divine pillars of light and same with the man grub sorcerers. (Btw Rosaria is probably Gertrude. Don't tell me "but Gertrude's dead" because these games put just about every item on a corpse to pick up). So maybe the Angels or even Gertrude/ Rosaria herself put some sort of curse on him. Though I prefer the idea that the Angels did and not Gertrude. Possibly due to them wanting... I dunno something? I REALLY hope we get more info on the Angels in the second DLC. Also fun fact, Lothric's prayer garb seems to be the same that Aldrich/ Gwyndolin is wearing,
@Revan2574
@Revan2574 5 жыл бұрын
@SmoughTown I have a theory about Ocelotte that you didn't think of. It says that the Queen left after Ocelotte's birth but it never said that she left alone. Given what Oceiros did to the Twin Princes would it really surprise anyone that the Queen didn't want to leave her youngest child in the care of Oceiros.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like this explanation more than Ocelotte is invisible - thanks for bringing this one to my attention.
@Revan2574
@Revan2574 5 жыл бұрын
I think the whole 'invisible Ocellotte came about because before it was cut the Consumed King battle had him cradling a baby, assumed to be Ocelotte, and the developer only removed the visual of the baby in his hands. To me though if it is cut than it is not canon and unless the developers say other wise we will not know if Ocelotte is invisible or if the Consumed King just thinks Ocelotte is still with him.
@crashman1344
@crashman1344 7 жыл бұрын
After the Ringed City, would you consider doing lore about Demons' Souls? I love your one video on it. Maybe you can do it as a retrospective, showing how the ideas and themes of each area or character influenced the later games.
@calliewickham7551
@calliewickham7551 7 жыл бұрын
You can hear the baby
@burnout3890
@burnout3890 7 жыл бұрын
Fairly late input on my part, but I believe Ocelotte was indeed held by the Consumed King during the fight. It isn't too far-fetched to assume he would possess the same power of invisibility that Pricilla did, who was also a dragon hybrid. The most telling evidence in my opinion is the slight expulsion of blue-tinged energy when Oceiros slams the invisible child into the ground before entering his second stage. The same effect isn't seen when his hands impact the ground normally, so it appeared especially significant.
@marystone860
@marystone860 4 ай бұрын
I've been binge-watching your DS3 videos. I just beat it yesterday, but, I found myself wondering:' Who is this guy?" Or:' How this person is so f-ed up looking?' Because of these videos, I understand SO much more now! Like, Pontiff Sulivan is a WAY more of a sick f%#@, than I realized! Or, this character's story is FAR more tragic than I ever knew! My jaw dropped more than once through out this video series! And I also know now that I missed A LOT more stuff in my first playthrough than I thought! Looks like I have much mopping up to do before I start Journey 2! Like, i'll probably finish the rest of the Ashes of Ariendell DLC, then the Ringed City. (and quite a bit of other things in between!) MAN! These were SO good! I know more on what to do now, and, a greater understanding of who the actual FRICK' these characters are! Thank You! 🥰OH, and Pontiff Sulivan seems like Gideon Offnir from Elden RIng, if he was a bigger d%#@, lol!
@praiseit6848
@praiseit6848 5 жыл бұрын
Ocelotte isn't dead! you can even hear him scream when you fight Oceiros he is just invisible, like Prishilla is
@paoyang8785
@paoyang8785 7 жыл бұрын
Hey SmoughTown, you know i love your videos! I made a dex build for a ninja character So, i was interested in that part the most. I wish there was more info on the ninja gear... but, clasic darksouls i guess. So, you think the princes hired foreign assasins to kill the consumned king? You could be right, because the royal family already has these "hunters" doing their dirty work already. But, i would like to think that they are independent, and came from far away from an eastern land in an attempt to end the consumned king because his obsession and study of dragons is threatening to them. =)
@iWillWakeYouUp
@iWillWakeYouUp 7 жыл бұрын
"edified" means more than simply instructed, taught, educated. It means to be in complete awe at the revelation of something (knowledge, in this case) to the point of where your very being is shook to the very core.
@ButcherGod
@ButcherGod 7 жыл бұрын
Great video man, been on a bit of a binge this afternoon with some of your lore vids, but I just wanna ask something... Why is it you think Prince Lothrics wet-nurse killed herself when the player progresses for enough, but not that she was attacked by someone else trying to get the Lord cinders? I mean even by what you say about Lothrics remark to the player as he enters, that someones clearly been there before us. Not some huge gripe or anything, just kinda found it odd you'd think she'd just try to kill herself, in clearly a bloody and inefficient way, and that she wasn't attacked (If i remember correctly, her chair is in splintered pieces all over the floor along with her blood) and were kinda following right behind that person.
@ghines38133
@ghines38133 7 жыл бұрын
shit I've been watching your vids for six months and forgot to sub :((( I'm so sorry! I love your content, mate, and I'm sorry that I hadn't yet supported the channel. you're awesome and mate, can you link me to your lothric sliders?
@crumblesack6307
@crumblesack6307 7 жыл бұрын
the statues outside of lothric and the first scholar are both pontiff sullyvan he is the reason lothric doesnt want to link the flame
@enryuxzero
@enryuxzero 7 жыл бұрын
Damn it im working on my video about Lothric and Astora and nobody can get a hold of you well fuck was going to see if you were willing to discuss some stuff on discord with me and jake seeing as you have coverd some overlap with my thoughts but i guess i will have to do so without you, hope everything is going well for you and i will be mentioning you at the end because this video was a fantastic refresher in some of the key notes i need
@FDhellfire
@FDhellfire 7 жыл бұрын
maybe ocelot will be a part of some future dlc as born as a pure and powerful dragon or some even greater being. i believe the reason gwynavere left is because she did not want to see her own spawn become one of her fathers ancient enemy.
@elevate07
@elevate07 7 жыл бұрын
One thing about the dragons. It actually is possible for dragons to be born or give birth. The Dragon Greatsword states "This sword, one of the rare dragon weapons, came from the tail of the stone dragon of Ash Lake, descendant of the ancient dragons." Descendant. Meaning it's of the dragon line.
@dragonninja3655
@dragonninja3655 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the princess souls were combined so they could link the fire. Maybe they were too weak alone, but together they could do it.
@denvermoon5270
@denvermoon5270 6 жыл бұрын
With this I believe that Lorians ability to raise his bother from death is connected to occolot. The baby would be youngest. The curse?
@aaronwinrock8164
@aaronwinrock8164 4 жыл бұрын
15:15 I don't think dragons were infertile, the gaping dragon is said to be a descendant of the ancient dragons. Also Pricilla and Yorshka exist, aswell as the dragon bois in Irithyll dungeon. Personally i like to think that after the queen of Lothric gave birth she made an illusion or had an illusion of her child made to distract the king while she took her real baby and fled to her true home Anor Londo were she entrusted the baby to Gwyndolin to raise ((Yorshka)) while she fucked off to prepare for the next cycle. I dont really blame her I get the feeling she isnt really a fighter, plus if she dies who will have god babys or preserve the linking of the fire?
@err0r0b0
@err0r0b0 6 жыл бұрын
Champion Gundyr is said to wear armor resembling a former king. I personally think that king was Oceiros, before his transformation.
@takezokimura2571
@takezokimura2571 7 жыл бұрын
Lothric´s curse may have a parcial "bonding" property that links souls. Why would they add this into Lothric? To make him stronger. Since it is an incomplete or imperfect bonding the beings are left crippled or weakened. This could be why Lothric´s and Lorian´s soul are heavilly connected but not perfectly linked.
@mattyboy3576
@mattyboy3576 6 жыл бұрын
i have two theories behind ocellote #1 Oceiris killed him at the begginning of the second phase which do to cut content makes sense but like i said its cut so it may not be true #2 The queen of lothric took him while she was leaving she grabbed her newborn child and took him with her to wherever she went
@ShardofWant
@ShardofWant 2 жыл бұрын
Ocelots model exists in game but he smashes him in the fight and killing children in games is illegal but Priscilla could turn invisible so dragon hybrids could turn invisible
@circleturtles
@circleturtles 5 жыл бұрын
I know this video is ancient, but I have to say that ocelot is almost certainly being held by oceiros. 3 things make this very evident, you can hear ocelot during the fight, the version of oceiros that existed in the beta actually has a baby in his hand, and as for the fact that you can't see ocelot, he is a "child of dragons" and can most likely turn invisible just like Priscilla.
@Barracuda007
@Barracuda007 7 жыл бұрын
Wait?...... You find the Drakeblood set in the room behind Oceiros??
@phystaphoony8676
@phystaphoony8676 7 жыл бұрын
Anyone here watch Game of Thrones? The voice actor for Prince Lothric sounds so much like Joffrey to me!
@saint_sam
@saint_sam 7 жыл бұрын
"Oh dear, another dogged prostitute..." *fires crossbow*
@Xkhaosxzeus
@Xkhaosxzeus 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Aldia was the first scholar ! Lol
@mitchryan257
@mitchryan257 Жыл бұрын
Did Yuria not try to convince Lothric to become the Lord of Hollows? If we don’t want to link the First Flame, why are we still forced to kill the Princes rather than ally with them?
@brettc6132
@brettc6132 3 жыл бұрын
If ocellote is dead then what are the child’s cries that can be heard during and after the oceiros fight? Is this just a part of the consumer Kong’s madness, and not a diagetic sound at all? Doesn’t the fact that dragon spawn have lifesteal and invisibility lend credence to the idea that ocellote is alive and invisible? Curious to hear some thoughts on this, as I thought this was the obvious takeaway, and I’ve never heard the theory that ocellote is nothing but a figment of the consumed king’s deranged mind.
@verminnalee6121
@verminnalee6121 7 жыл бұрын
😢Still makes me sad
@JCRascal14
@JCRascal14 3 жыл бұрын
Priscilla could turn invisible. You can hear ocelot crying in the fight with dragon boi. Perhaps baby is invisible?
@reynino5634
@reynino5634 7 жыл бұрын
Video is great and logically you connect reasonable arguments to make for a case. However please hear me out on one part that I disagree: the consumed King. He was the consumed King because as you said, he wanted to desperately create the perfect heir no matter the method. It was desperate because many had been trying and failed. I mean GOOD, strong, powerful heirs tried and failed. This would lead to the unkindled, but that's another topic. The point is his baby, ocillote, WAS there. Probably one of his only successful creations. In the fight, you can HEAR the baby crying. It probably can turn invisible or something. This is why the consumed King calls out "where are you" and tries to comfort him by saying "what are you afraid of, you were born of dragons you have nothing to fear" - implying that ocillote is immortal. Either way, his wife is consumed by Aldrich. That bastard ate so many gods. Anyway good video
@xZellxKyoux
@xZellxKyoux 7 жыл бұрын
Well that was depressing
@facundotorres175
@facundotorres175 7 жыл бұрын
may the curse be related to the twin humanities from DS1?
@FootprintsForTwoTravel
@FootprintsForTwoTravel 7 жыл бұрын
The lady pilgrim in the Ringed City maybe the wet nurse no?
@parlyricklarsen5048
@parlyricklarsen5048 7 жыл бұрын
I would call it strong (and undfounded) speculation to assume that the queen of Lothric is Gwynevere, since the description of the Sun Princess ring in DS1 clearly states that she left and married Flann, she did however have a lot of heavenly children, many of which drops miracles implying that they to were able to achieve the same titles, and perhaps only titulars, as Gwynevere, simply because of their powerful bloddline and a 'handing down' of knowledge and teachings within the family. Thats IF you belive any of the speculation regarding Gwyneveres heavenly children anyways, which i do 😉 (Rosaria. Dancer. Gertrude..?) Anyways, great video ! Loved it ! 😃
@parlyricklarsen5048
@parlyricklarsen5048 7 жыл бұрын
With that being said, i know that DS3 is suppose to be taking place in a type of 'parallel dimension' or 'recurring cycle' with small changes etc, but dammit, nobody remembers poor Flame God Flann anymore 😄
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your insights and for watching ad always! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@parlyricklarsen5048
@parlyricklarsen5048 7 жыл бұрын
+SmoughTown No, thank you :) The cut content for the Oceiros fight is what gives me the creeps the most about this entire series. The dying sounds of a halfbreed dragon baby being smashed several times. Supposedly Oceiros goes rampantly mad mid-fight after smashing Ocelotte to the ground (liquid coming out btw) and franticly trying to locate him again afterwards. But i don't like cut content, tjey try a lot of stuff out and they could have cut it for any number of reasons, lore-related or otherwise.
@XYZsolution
@XYZsolution 7 жыл бұрын
B, It's not unfounded speculation. There is a lot of evidence that Gwynevere is the Queen of Lothric.
@parlyricklarsen5048
@parlyricklarsen5048 7 жыл бұрын
+XYZsolution There is absolutely NO evidence. There are hints, sure, bit to take these things as evident is ignorant my friend :) I might be wrong, but there is still NO evidence that the Queen is Gwynevere. There is, however, evidence that she married Flann. It's stated WITHOUT A DOUBT that she left and married Flame God Flann. Nowhere is shr mentioned to be the Queen of Lothric. I repeat, no-where WHATSOEVER. So yeah, no evidence. At all. Sure, the queen of Lothric has a lot im common with Gwynevere, sure, and it IS possible that Gwynevere is the queen, but to call it evident is false. It's evident that she married Flann, NOT Oceiros. That being said, i repeat myself; She CAN be the Queen, as this game is set in a parallel dimension og different cycle with small changes from the dimensiom or cycle in DS1, but it's SPECULATION, not fact og evident. Good day sir :)
@gottesurteil3201
@gottesurteil3201 6 жыл бұрын
Is anyone else creeped out that everyone's favorite waifu (disincluding dark sun trap) did the wild thing with a crusty old dragon-man?
@MidnightatMidian
@MidnightatMidian 5 жыл бұрын
Well the statue is not from prince Lothric, it is more the ''Old King'', which was Sully, which was the original final boss of the game. It's clearly the profaned sword.
@thelvadum3593
@thelvadum3593 7 жыл бұрын
Ocelotte could have been born as Yorshka...she looks pretty close to Oceiros and Gwynevere could have given Ocelotte to Gwyndolin and Gwyndolin raised him as a girl like he was....
@Yeetso
@Yeetso 5 жыл бұрын
Good job on the twin princes lore, but youre dead wrong about ocelotte. I solved the mystery.
@OuterRimPride
@OuterRimPride 7 жыл бұрын
Battlefield 1 trailer is so amazing. Wow.
@epiccthulu
@epiccthulu 5 ай бұрын
I do think Ocelot is actually Yorshka, but more importantly I think the king was tricked. Like he was given what he thought was his child that just whined all the time. There was a texture of a fake looking baby in the game
@TheSUGA1202
@TheSUGA1202 7 жыл бұрын
Could Ocelotte be in the painted world of Ariandel just like Priscilla?
@gargoula4814
@gargoula4814 7 жыл бұрын
i would say, could Ocelotte be the painter girl in Ariandel which has the same similarities with Priscilla (cat eyes, scales on the skin)
@TheSUGA1202
@TheSUGA1202 7 жыл бұрын
Gargoula nope he is dead is confirmed with the removed audio
@dragonninja3655
@dragonninja3655 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree about the baby. Ocellotte was definitely real. You could hear him in the first phase of the fight crying, then as the boss goes into the second phase he smashes whatever was in his hand onto the ground and it becomes purple goo. There is no more crying after that. The baby was just invisible and the boss accidentally crushes him in his anger as he fights you.
@BrawlyDaStar
@BrawlyDaStar 3 жыл бұрын
Im thinking its precilla child
@zaclovesschool2273
@zaclovesschool2273 11 ай бұрын
i think ocelot is like mergo
@panthera2
@panthera2 7 жыл бұрын
+SmoughTown will you do a face revel when you reach you goal of subs
@Archontasil
@Archontasil 7 жыл бұрын
it's interesting to see those bulging things on oceiros's back seemed to be seen on a lot of dead demon's corpses on izalith. and seeing how lorian has encountered a demon prince, suggesting a war between lothric and demons those bulging seemed to resembles a real life fungi called cordyceps, a fungi that overrides ants nervous system and make the ants acts like a zombie in order to make sure the fungi spreads its seed. maybe oceiros was driven mad after being "seeded" by this demon fungi?
@johnnyloc2740
@johnnyloc2740 7 жыл бұрын
so sad
@BrawlyDaStar
@BrawlyDaStar 3 жыл бұрын
If ocelot was dead why did we here him crying... Completely contridicts he is dead
@panthera2
@panthera2 7 жыл бұрын
no one ever talk about the old/new gods WHY??
@panthera2
@panthera2 7 жыл бұрын
anyone exceeded for the new DLC 😧 😛 i don't have dark souls 1,3 but got dark souls 2 for 360 not fair for some peoples who don't have a money tree ,.. i shoulded not complain this years ending fast and will have blackfridays ,cirbermonday ,
@pabloraulpereyra4948
@pabloraulpereyra4948 4 жыл бұрын
Macri gato
@praiseit6848
@praiseit6848 5 жыл бұрын
Pontiff Sulyvahn was the schollar! there is even a statue of him in front of the castle at the beginning of the game you can see him kneeing there with his UGS dude please, i can't watch on if you keep beeing wrong
@w.h.matlock8219
@w.h.matlock8219 5 жыл бұрын
If you can't extract value around potential inconsistencies that's a reflection of you, not the speaker.
@larrywolf2509
@larrywolf2509 7 жыл бұрын
Please.... Please dude. For the love of Mike. Stop saying "feel free to disagree." It's one of the most pointless phrases and it's irritating to hear. No one ever took away our option to disagree. The very fact that they're your opinions means we're free to not hold them as our own. Good video all the same, just... stop that.
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 7 жыл бұрын
haha noted.
@larrywolf2509
@larrywolf2509 7 жыл бұрын
***** Your videos are great though!
@ijakerz93
@ijakerz93 7 жыл бұрын
SmoughTown feel free to disagree tho
@kyleimrie698
@kyleimrie698 7 жыл бұрын
first!!!1!1!!
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