He branded them after the war after seeing their massive power and because these armors are made in the abyss and betray a smidgen of life ( I think it means that they have some kind of sentience).

Correct. After the war, his gaze turned from his enemies, to his allies. He feared the dark and the power that humanity harboured. As such, he branded humanity with the Curse to harness and control the power of the Dark Soul.

​​@@theonewhoismany8072The armor probably helped in the fight, being forged in he abyss, it could gain consciousness. Probably like Guts berserker armor. Where it was alive, or had some presence in it, that wouldn't let the user lose a fight, unless the body was completely destroyed, inside and out. I doubt it was like that, but we are talking about a series that isnt shy about it's reference material. I think the seal of fire, actively seals that entity, just enough to know something was there, but while the seal is there, its just really good armor.

Yes huh they were!

Agreed, as I interpreted the lore, Gwyn branded them with the sign as a sign of faux gratitude while actually doing it to seal away their power. Gwyn was known to gift his allies various things post-war.

Yeah - 'The Father of The Abyss' thing needs to be revisited but he clearly isn't the father of all Abyss just of the one that spawned Oolacile, I would certainly consider a revisit video on the Abyss, Manus and the Darkwraiths. Thanks for the support!

@@SmoughTown I think someone said the Japanese text describes him as a "Father" as in a clerical sense. Like a priest or preacher of the Abyss.

aromardu Yeah, and that word could also be translated as Guardian.

no Oolacile tortured Manus video about it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iraSq5qaxtvLpok.html

Nah, I agree with this. Notice the Fauna around his place of burial. It's just humanity sprites. Twisted, in how they deal damage, even tho they just want to be loved. The corruption that happens to the Oolacile residents, was because they were corrupt themselves. They uncovered a corpse, ripped the only thing that kept him sane, and in the grave, out of his hands, and experimented on him. I think Manus just turned them into what he wanted them to be, or as he saw them. Humanities are destructive lovers. Destructive in how they deal damage on contact, but it's not like they mean to.

Huh, not sure if I agree but its an intresting perspective that I hadn't considered. Thanks!

I completely agree with you, furthermore, with the old symbolism, the right hand is deemed as the ''giving'' hand, and the left hand is traditionally accepted as the ''taking'' hand. I think a little different about the interpretation of it, taking the crown implied much more than the servitude of pygmies, ( or humans) it implies beeing somehow beeing stripped of their lord title, in exchange for the power of endurance and natural vegetative power. Filianore is very symbolic too, and that ties with it, Gwin thought his youngest daughter was not that powerful as his other children, Nameless king,(strenght), Gwyndolin, (sorceries) and Gwynewere, (sunlight), so he gave her to the pygmies, but something went wrong with it, Filianore was meant to keep the dark soul or a dragon inside the Egg, but a mad pygmy somehow managed to take it without breakin the egg entirely and wakin up Filianore, and then proceed to spread it around the world while the legacies of the gods was slowly fading.

And the mad king and Shira's spear implying the real meaning of the clohranthy ring, maybe Gwyn gifted them immortality, or the dark soul give that to them, so at a certain point seeing the numbers of immortal pygmies growing more and more, gwyn branded them with the dark sign, which is the not ''dark'' but in reality, the ''fire'' sign, which don't allow an immortal pygmy to grow powerful, rather consumes his humanity and turn him into a mindless hollow.

@@MidnightatMidian Wholeheartedly agree, especially the vegetal symbolism. The cracked-egg is somewhat a mystery to me, I follow Smoughtown (holds the flow of time, its been so long and nature has been corrupted by Gwyn, is that why it is rotten ?) though nice interpretation; asks the question of how the Dark Soul got around all the way to DS1despite the Pigmy Lords being locked away... I figured it was that Humanity = Dark Soul, as in it is an essential part of our being, of any human no matter how young, different from a soul than can be transferred to whatever vessel. Thats why it could never truly disappear or why only female corpses bear Twin Humanities in DS1 (pregnancy ?). There's a whole discussion on this in DS1 in the item descriptions of soul items and humanity : it questions life on the singular difference between Humanity and Souls : "If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves?" hell its not even lore at this point but philosophical point of view.

@@Anon-me6gf Wow I didn't knew the female-twin humanities relation, I'm not so experienced on the DS1 lore, cause I only knew it through playthroughs and lore videos about it, and the remaster now, but kinda OP on the bloodborne and Ds3 lore.

BAM!

Me too...she's an extremely important character. Glad you liked the video.

It sound like your feelin'-the-lore of Filianore... I'm not sorry

She's hot also. Too bad you can't talk to her. I would ask her if there was anything i could get for her

2019 was 5 years ago Aware

3 month old reply, a lenghty one but i'll give my (long) perspective on it: The Lords represent aspects of flame. (In other languages, words like fire and flame are not interchangeable.) Gwyn - Lord of Light Izalith - Lord of Heat Nito - Lord of Destruction Pygmy - Lord of Growth and original keeper of the Dark soul. (spread it to humanity for it to keep growing) The first thing you notice about fire is how powerfull it is as it pushes the darkness away and keeps it in check. The second thing you notice is the heat it creates, enthralling whomever may gaze upon it. The third thing you notice is it’s need to consume and destroy other things to keep itself alive. (hint hint) The last thing you notice is as it’s dying out, is the darkness returning to claim it's rightful place. What is the Dark Soul? The ability to grow & preservere. Why did Gwyn fear it? It’s because it’s fueled by raw EMOTION, and thus reaches everything living over time. (as seen with even the gods) In other words, the Dark Soul is the only self-sustaining power left. The pygme gave the Dark soul to humanity. (and the Gwyn imprisoned the pygme's in the ringed city, under pretense of it being a gift, he also sweetened it with offering his daughter) Then Gwyn corralled the cursed undead (which he created by the darksign) to the north. (and thus began the mass siphoning of souls to feed the Flame, and Gwyn decided upon feeding the fire by siphoning Souls/Humanity from the humans) It’s the old tale of the gods fearing mankinds ability to grow into something powerful, something to rival even a Lord. Humans were not risen undead from the get go, they lived, and died just like humans always had. (albeit underground, alongside other humanoids and beasts, who lived and died.) From the intro: "The fire was lit, then from the dark they came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame" So the souls of Lords was in the flame, and they (most likely referring to giants and various other creatures) found them, those who got the flame became Lords with powers never seen before, aka gods. But these Souls of Lords did not originate from the Dark, they came from the Flame. The first thing these 'gods' did was to conquer and use their power in a massive war with the Ancient Dragons. They started depleting their own Flame instantly by using it for their own rise to power. And thus they sought another fuel for their flame.. The "ashen one" / "chosen undead" is tricked over and over by the keepers of the light/flame, to link the first flame. Even most of the 'gods' knew it was futile, and they refused to return to their thrones to keep the flame ablaze out of this knowledge.. and their greed for keeping their power to themselves. Gwyn decieved humanity and afflicted humans with the darksign [with help of Nito] in an attempt to keep the flame ablaze and stave off the Dark. (this is the curse, and the undead, eating away at their humanity until nothing but a hollow husk remains.. in a futile attempt to keep the flame fueled). Now as Gwyn lost his war with the Chaos / Abyss, and his knights came back as mere spirits in armor, he realised his era of Fire was over. The cities and lands the giant gods held fell into madness as more and darkness were spreading and there were not enough to fuel the flame against the demons/chaos. This is how most of these giant gods and their subjects became driven to madness. By their own misuse of their flame, by their greed to strive for power and their utter disrespect for other living creatures. Gwyn even went to the extent to split his flame to other kings to keep the era of Fire going. At the end of Dark souls 1, if you chose to NOT to light the fire, and instead go back out: You are greeted by quite a few Primordial Serpents, who are happy that you finally let the Era of Fire end. IF it was a 'BAD' end, why would the oldest of the beings be glad? And all of them? not just one or two?

How about Vaati?

at least in ds2 manus daughters where important figures

do you think the Locusts are lying or the age of dark is not so bad?

@@joevines3428 I believe they are delusional. I mean look at them, they have been corrupted to be a bleeding bug

Yeah and that's the main thing that irritates me about Miyazaki, he's too pompous to further explore the story of a world he's created, like a child getting a new toy, he'd just rather forget what came before

You should check out Hawkshaw if you like Smoughtown and haven't heard of them yet. Smough and Hawk are the two best lore enthusiasts for DS.

River St-Grey Thanks for the suggestion! I will definitely check em out. I’ve exhausted all other options lol I’ve probably rewatched Smoughtown’s and Vaatividya’s DS lore videos at least twice.

Oh my gosh! You are in for such a treat.

@@River_StGrey Just watched a couple of Hawkshaw's vids and was not disappointed.

@@breannafreeze1886 Silvermont have some good theories, and Kazzarma is huge with his etymologies of names and some pretty neat theories, check it out.

Gael*

Thanks very much!

Nope! Got another on the horizon! Just been fairly ill this week and so it has set me back a bit. Thanks for joining and thanks for the feedback!

:D

Not to mention the game and the lore literally leave room for all of us playing the game together hence dark souls and not dark soul each of us is a piece of the dark soul itself controlling our chosen undead

The in game lore leaves the multiplayer element open enough for there to be a furtive Pygmy in each of our worlds.

Yeah. And I believe that the pygmy's identity is never revealed because once the soul was split they were no more important or powerful than any of the other humans.

Holy shit, this is the most incoherent, babbling I have ever seen

Well, according to lore, Ds1's age of fire, wasn't the first one. There were many other cycles before the one Gwyn fucked it up. I mean, it's not like we are returning the essences of the actual fire, back in when we take back the souls of the 4 lords. We are just putting kindling in. Source? The chaos flame. It is an unnatural 1st flame. It's made from the soul of life, and the dark soul. If The Witch of Izalith had a big enough fragment of each original aspect of the First flame, she woulda created one. But she had only half the ingredients. Gwyn, was rekindling a dying flame. He didn't need to make a new one, just keep the old one going. And it seems like someone tried to make another new flame, but made the profaned flame instead. And that was an even weaker version of the chaos flame.

Gwyn's theme from DS1

Nothing, because the information is devoid of any meaning or use, your comment a pitiful reflection of your self

Fabio Silva Its a matter of perspective if you were a Pygmy who believed Gwynn lies then it was a great gift if you knew how full of shit he was then you saw the city as a prison

So much in Ds1 proves Frampt is not to be trusted either, so why are you riding his side so hard?

Stupid thing to complain about. Ngl