WOW, that's actually a very good idea!

the real purpose of the dunce hat

yes, like a bright orange livery with warning written on it or something

Bright yellow car with black and yellow crash test dummy symbols all over it.

That's a really good idea! Perhaps make them ghosted too. That way they can't hurt anyone.

Or fix the damn track lol. I like how you say they should be banned for abusing a bad design. My 1st race on this track, everyone was doing it. Not gonna lose 2 F ucking seconds to people im faster than, because they do that thing, and they can do that all the way down to the final turn. Fix the game before banning people lol. Any other game would be giving you a penalty or something js. So i won't touch this track at all. For one, don't like that dumb crap, and I don't like using it, and If i see others doing it, im gonna too as you don't get in trouble. Fix the game, simple as that really.

@@Mjdecker1234 So instead of punishing cheaters you want to change the track? You cant be serious. Im guessing you are the cheater in this video.

Can't believe anyone can make excuses for the premeditated wrecking. He should be banned. It's console mentality. Shouldn't have to put up with this for a subscription racing game that is far more expensive than others.

@@smtbigelow its not "cheaters", its bad programmers and lazy job. Some cheats are hard to avoid, others are plain laziness.

I've been with iRacing since 2008 and one of the reasons I have stayed is because of the ability of protest and iRacing's ability to keep the racing as clean as possible. It's better than any sim on the market.

@JedStrogan just get better

Then you guys need to get to the intentional punt I reported a week ago.

Please give car#4 a stern warning and/or a temporary ban. And talk to your bosses to allow us to protest "avoidable contact" and "reckless driving." That would go a long way in making the racing better on your service.

You should punish more severely like people hitting the back, because it always ends with a race in the front car

even if you do get a black flag for anything regardless what it is you get four laps to serve your black flag penalties.

@@deronshank75 if u cut track u get a time penalty if u dont serve it then get dq. he should have received a time penalty but there must be a bug with that.

@@deronshank75 or just nor had the lap count. Black flags are a bit weird, I've got them from going around the same corner twice (spun and it was quicker and safer to return to the track before the corner I'd spun on)

Restecp

It's only human to lose your temper and it's great that you realised afterwards that this was not the best way to take revenge. I protested someone else for the first time a week ago. We touched in a corner because I was drafting him and he swerved left and right to block me. We both stayed on track but I managed to pass him. In the next corner where you have to brake down for a narrow chicane.. he didn't brake and rammed me full speed. In the chat afterwards he only told me it was his 'thank you' for touching him. I felt bad protesting him, it felt a bit of a Nazi move, but I hope he learns the same lesson too. Accidents can happen but purposely taking someone out is just a big no-no in Iracing.

@@DrunkenGuitarGuy Well....I actually did learn not to do that again. So yes...I did learn something!

@arsonist_1 I would have understood I messed up.

you should be poor sportsmanship is an awful quality to possess. but at least you owned to your mistake

Report it and help keep the service clean for us all. Dont let a bad egg get you down. We have some amazing people on the service. Most people in my experience.

Report it, but don’t let it affect you that much either. You can’t be on the verge of quitting something you enjoy because someone swore and taunted you who wasn’t even at your RL location. I guess if it really bothered you you could turn of the radio chat in the option screen.

This is critical, on the one hand you ruin someone’s race, on the other hand, he is too mean to revenge

I don't even play iracing and this would be great

lol

I discovered "sim racing " in the early hours of the morning myself with a video titled something similar about a dirty driver and asking for people's thoughts.I used to absolutely love codemaaters toca on playstation 2 and that was last time I was really enjoying car games.I ended up getting a logitech g920 with the shifter and the playseat challenge and although I don't race online I absolutely love playing against ai on project cars,its soooo good.

@@Bakus74 it does, assetto corsa competizione is one

@@Bakus74 it does, assetto corsa competizione is one

JOIN US. O_O

When you view your results from any event, there is a link towards the top that you can click on to File a Protest (it should be directly above the winners Car#, Name and Start Pos). You'll have to wait 30 minutes after the end of the event to submit a protest. You'll also need a clip of the replay or a recording from game capture to include in your protest. At the top of the Protest form is a dropdown box to select the violation in question. Once the violation is selected, more fields will appear including the driver being protested, a description of the complaint as well as options to upload up to three attachments. Click Submit Protest and let iRacing take care of the rest.

You can protest reckless driving and it in fact goes on the driver's record. I know this for a fact because when I first started 5 years ago I was super aggressive. I did not intentionally spin anybody or hook them, but I made a bunch of questionable moves that led to wrecks. After a while, I actually got an email from Nim wanting to talk about my driving, he actually called my cell to talk about it. He let me know that there was a bunch of people who reported me, and even though he did not think I was intentionally wrecking people, my over-aggressive driving was leading to a ton of ruined races and it was an issue. I took our conversation to heart, cleaned up my driving a bit, made smarter passes, and have not had a single issue since. So if you see unsafe driving, report it, it will be documented and eventually coaching will take place.

My suggestion to you is start from the back. You get out of lower divisions a lot quicker. As soon as I got to class C for oval racing (my main discipline) I haven’t had much issues with idiot drivers crashing into me. Maybe I’m just lucky but if you get out of the lower levels, you tend to race with people who stay out of trouble more often than not

@@runswithscisors1110 this is horrid advice honestly, and it hardly ever works out as intended. You may be the rare lucky case when it did work but generally starting in the back and just farming safety teaches nothing. It also usually ends up in a loss of irating and that will put you into a lower split aka less skilled drivers. Then you're stuck in a car you're not ready for, with race craft that you've not developed, accident avoidance skills that you've not honed, all with low irating drivers who also probably did the same thing you did. My advice is stay in rookies until you make top split in the rookie division and you can compete with the drivers in that split and you're not just a back marker. Then move up. I think you will find that for the most part if you're fast, get to the front portion of the field that there are far less issues up there. Especially since cautions are off in rookie series on oval.

But this would lead to the problem that you have to be afraid to make a somewhat risky move. I am not talking about Hail Mary divebomb or sticking your nose up to the rear bumper, but things like going two wide into a turn with both cars at the same height. If i have to be afraid to get punished for a move that might end up as a racing incident some people might no longer race.vAnd with race i mean proper racing, not doing laps for the SR and collecting freebies and not some stupid stuff you mentioned. But how can the system tell the difference between racing incident and 150m divebombs? I remember a few races in the KIA, one in particular from Road America. I was fighting and was wheelbanging with the other guy for the lead for the whole 25min. Thanks to giving each other from time to time a little love tab we ended up with 3*4x. And that was some really good racing! Hence the memory even if that race was over 2 years ago. Even race Stewards can‘t agree on some situations in the real world, and they know the bigger context. Same goes for a League i am part of where there are a team of stewards who review every incident and they know some of the drivers for over 6 years. So they can tell if something was on purpose, and honesty mistake (which still leads to some penalties if it was avoidable . So how can one create a system that can tell the difference between 3 harmless love taps in a Touring Car and a 4x that sends you into the fence because the other driver was just brain afk in that situation? Sometimes its not even a 4x, you also have to think about the 0x -> 1x. You got the version of that ends for lets say one car in the wall but this 0x -> 1x could also be the result of some good hard clean wheel banging at a track like spa. I know the situations i drew out are that (sadly) 1 in 1000 times when those 1x or 4x are harmless and that the „normal“ (which is even more sad) current situation is the one you pictured. One could also add a max x-count per season/week per series. But then you have the problem that you punish the guy who does like 10 races per week with like 2 offtracks per race vs the no practice no racecraft guy who wrecks once per week after 4 laps. One could come up with a fancy inc/race formula but that could be exploited... yadi yadi yada.

This is exactly what I wrote, we all know how to knock out someone, itis even pretty easy to do and it is due to iRacing poor tyre grip model (if you go beyond tyre grip, you all of a sudden don't grip at all anymore). Hitting a car from behind making its rear tyres slip a bit will pretty luch mean spin or offtrack for the front car, which doesn't exist in many other games like ACC or rFactor 2.

Finished the video. Completely agree, these people need to be called out and reported. Had a guy the other day do something similar in an ACC public lobby. I’m not the fastest racer so I gave some guy plenty of room to pass. A few turns later he brakes late and goes into the gravel. Eventually comes back on my bumper and I did the same. But during his pass he turned under braking and touched me. Didn’t upset my car much but he got spun bad. Unbeknownst to me, he sat at the same turn and waited for me so he could hit me. Entire time I’m thinking, why spend all this money and time playing sim racing if you are going to act like it’s a Forza lobby?

@@joshwilles7540 I am building my first AluRig at the moment and I have ordered the mat from SimRig... inspired by the videos from DC :-)

Hahaha. I wish 😁

@@joshwilles7540 acc public lobbies are hives of scum and villainy, not even worth your time if you want a good race, I only use them to practice overtaking unpredictable drivers. even the competition servers are bad. ACC is for league racing.

@@flatsz i tend to find ACC some of the cleanest racing around. If you want shit driving then by all means, AMS2 and PC2 are notorious for it, and both are so full of bugs you wont ever really know if the ram was intentional or just another glitch.

Wait till you drive the V8SC series,cars no driver assist and made of paper mache

Charlotte mmm It is actually a good circuit but when idiots like this get let out of their cages carnage breaks loose

Same exact thought came across for me

That's funny lol, did you burst into laughter? I feel bad for everyone involved for their iRating and Safety Rating getting destroyed though.

@@The98Man098 I was pretty mad at the time because i was in the top 5 but its only 1 race, looking back on it i can.

I've never personally seen anything like that in my year of racing on iracing. But to be honest I'd Crack up

I think the "watch the replay" is so important, and I have to remember it better. I think we've all had incidents where it was either netcode and the driver I got mad at did absolutely nothing wrong, or another car hit the car and the second car hit me, etc. And after some incidents I've watched the replay and while I'd place most of the blame on the other driver, I did something weird or I found I could have done something better to avoid it (let off the gas, hit the brakes, whatever)

@@JamesPancoast Totally James. Recently got an incident and the other driver started to scream on the radio while racing...there was a third driver involved in the incident and he screamed "Watch the replay....." to the other driver....Turns out the 3rd driver was the one causing the colission, neither myself or the driver who was pissed at me.....

Yes please

@Nozz55 Nozzle Go play a smash em up game if thats the way you play. There’s sporting code in iRacing for a reason. There’s people who want fair, clean competition and that’s precisely what iRacing is for.

@Nozz55 Nozzle You’re off your rocker, go to bed mate

Kiddies playtime, is it?

@@MarkPentler just having a bit of fun before he's out of here 😁

Well said. If he gave the position back all would be cool.

Agree completely. People play the "sorry" card after they ended your race and expect you to just move along to the next one. If you "accidentally" end someone's race, drop to the back of the field and they probably won't retaliate.

I’m pretty sure i’ve seen Dave do that in a race before. Give a spot back etc.

Exactly... Can't ride someone's ass, then punt them off like the #8 car did. The 1st collision was dumb too - #8 should have just lifted momentarily and stayed low when entering the banking, then he wouldn't have hit #4... The 1st collision wasn't as bad as the 2nd one though. 2nd collision was 100% the fault of the #8... He has to know that if he's a foot away from the #4 cars rear bumper, there's a 50/50 chance of the #4 braking sooner than him... Which is gonna cause a collision every time. The #8 was carrying too much speed into the chicanes on every lap and braking too late and too hard on each entry to BOTH chicanes in each lap also. Instead of the "slow in fast out" which is the proven way to go faster, he was going in too fast and scrubbing speed thru the exit of the chicanes, and therfore losing much more time than if he'd have braked slightly sooner into the chicanes. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw #8 was at fault also. I don't think he punted #4 on purpose, but it was still his fault. "Sorry I punted you, fucked your race and your stats" means nothing. Not punting someone means alot.

does it? I think the majority of the people, including me, have the feeling that it doesnt do anything at all :D would be nice if we get a better feedback when someone got punished we reported a while ago.

@@WaskiLP Filing protests does work. Most of the time driver will just get a warning. Many times that warning is enough for them to realize that iRacing won't tolerate it, so they stop. Repeat offenders will get suspensions, and in extreme cases, permanently banned (I know of some drivers this happened to). The key to a successful protest is to take the time to give them the entire story. Don't just give them a short replay of the one incident. You need to give them the fully story and include replays of the incidents leading up to intentional wrecking. Many times this includes sending iRacing a replay of you accidently wrecking the person you are protesting. This video is a great example of what should be included in a protest.

@@WaskiLP It does, really. You always get feedback on a protest. If they find the protest invalid they will let you know. Sometimes it's also a matter of collecting several protests against a driver. I've had protests where I simply got the feedback that they already were looking into the matter based on another protest. An extreme example: Once I protested somebody who went full racist nazi in the voicechat. It wasn't even aimed at me, but this was really not acceptable. iRacing agreed and he didn't login again after that.

@@WaskiLP From all sim racing games, iRacing is probably the only one that actually does something when you reported somebody. There's plenty of people who have been banned and it didn't matter to them how much money they had spent or how famous they are. They just care about building a good sim with real-acting players

I figure if you’re racing in a public forum acting like a fool then put those names out there. Why even attempt to protect anyone who is clearly that malicious? I’d like to know so I can check his profile and see the complete dearth of racing for the next month or so…plus I’d like to know if they are in my split.

How do you get ahead of it?

@@sametty Tell his mom!

Not necessarily. Hopefully he'll learn and moderate his behaviour.

Even a 3 day would be a start.

Right, especially since I'm mainly a oval racer, when they keep throwing blocks I stick my nose in there right when they block again so then they just go accross my nose. Idk if it works the same in road racing, because there was one guy in rookie mazdas a couple days ago who kept divebombing and ramming me, I'd get the run in the corners and he'd block me down to the grass and then almost like stop almost completely instead of using the proper amount of braking to make the corner. Since it was Mazdas I mean I accidentally rammed him and gave him a 0x, but if that was stock cars even at a road course and I was the one doing that I'd of been punted off the track. Eventually he crashed out and rage quit, but I got stuck with P2 because he was holding me up the entire race.

agreed.

I totally agree! I thought the same. But with the pro race they were never going to let Lando win or punish Simon Salty Pagenuad!

It’s a video game. Get over it. I don’t care if you pay for it, you wanna not have that experience? Take all the dough you spent on your six rig, buy a cheap sports car, and go turn some laps at your local track.

@@toyotaecw wrong...it is a “...racing simulation...” plus the money you spend on iRacing won’t get you near a car as you describe 🙈 Best to stick to battle ships or whatever you play than comment on this! 😂😂

@@AdamLegend27 Plenty of late model Camaros, Mustangs, Miatas etc that probably cost less than that monitor setup

@@toyotaecw fair enough but I want to drive NASCAR, Indycar, FRenault3.5, Porsche RSR...so next best thing is iRacing and I think a lot of people are the same

Repeat offenses will be handled. If we dont report, nothing will happen

Of course they don't want to loose paying customers. But this behaviour goes beyond that. I hear someone say "I'm gonna report you" almost every race I do in iRacing but it's always for some small mistake or even a race incident or netcode. Some people seems to think the report is like a race stewart.

Yeas kekke! The actual severe offenders are being handled when reported

Hard but fair...(?). #8 took little regard for the race of #4. #8 rear-ended #4 twice. One time is a mistake. Twice is not caring how you treat another driver. I cannot excuse #8, rookie mazda or not. Sure the obvious retaliation by #4 is wrong. But, as well, the obvious ‘i don’t care if I wreck your race or not’, as exhibited by #8 is not acceptable either.

@@jffmyr hard but fair up until a point, as I said. There’s no doubt that #4 was the one in the wrong here. #8 made mistakes, I doubt that they were deliberate, but what #4 did was much worse.

I would personally not have waited if I was #8, but of course would have apologized inmediately over voice chat. I mean, you have an incident, bad luck. If you are to blame, fine, apologize then carry on.

What some people do is remembering the driver and leave him a PM after the race :)

That’s line is my personal peeve because it always gets quoted as a justification (usually) after the quotor has tried and failed to pull off a move that had no chance of success.

@@smithp573 that and iF yOu nO lOnGER gap foR a GaP

A bit of rubbing where the corner is 50/50, or at a push 60/40 in the best place for a move, but the dive bombers from 1 second back are extremely annoying, and unprotestable, as is the SR hit. I think my biggest gripe is getting a -4 on the ovals with a yellow flag after avoiding the accident that caused it 5 seconds previously.

@@AidanMillward especially the one that wasn't actually there.

as far as i know, Iracing does not enforce the rules in practice sessions. I've met several folks in rookie ovals that will drive slow and try to wreck you every lap during practice, just to be a nuisance, then get in a race with them and they get 0x. They know the rules are unenforceable in practice sessions

@@Ben_Chillin they do, they add it to your file and people have been warned for doing stupid things on official test servers. Most people just don't report practice incidents

@@alanluth6755 Good to know!

The 8 car breaking would be classed as a racing indecent and not on purpose everyone makes a mistake and he shouldn't get stick, What the 4 car does is inexcusable you can't just hit people off and get mad because of a mistake and if it wasn't fine he's right and report the 8 but this is why i gave up on Iracing even at a high level if you make a mistake people jump on it and think it's on purpose.

My opinion, for what it's worth...This is a product of the 'hotlapping' mentality created by modern racing games that even permeates up into the top echelons of irl racing. There is NOT only one 'fast' racing line where a field of cars is concerned. Racing is a high speed chess game where you put yourself in the best position to effect a pass on the car in front of you. I find that on the occasion that I start fast and beat the hotlappers to T1 they tend to be at a total loss to how they will get around me, apart from deliberately tapping you out of the way. Modern motor racing, 2 or 4 wheels, seems to be almost totally bereft of race craft. Sitting right under your opponents rear wing only guarantees 2 things. 1/ you will eventually hit him, and 2/ you won't get past him, as you are being forced to drive his lap plan. "Never ride in your opponent wheel tracks if you intend to get past him" is the best advice I was ever given when racing bikes back in the 80's. But, this requires solid concentration and many can't manage it. Both of these drivers were at fault and need a stern talking too. But, the deliberate takeout is unforgivable. This behavior would result in a punched nose in the back of the pit in the real world. Virtual racing MUST be treated in the mind as real, and that you could kill the other driver with your poor actions...or it's just a arcade game and not worth our time.

100% with you it's the ones that brack late are the worst. Can't prove if they meant to do it. And when you say something they say, I had the race line you shouldn't be so slow.

Right. Automatically dumped into a server hosting a destruction derby.

@@OgamiItto70 You may be a genius!

@@divejumpshooter6947 Unlikely. (But technically possible, I suppose.)

Yeah like my friend who watches my races says I need to make a pit fighting mode for iracing lmao

Yes his was pretty bad

Even had to change his name to Scott Slow.

@Gavin Walker yes he was but then iRacing removed his ban and let him race the Rally Championship...lmao

Of course I do, I said he'd be boiling as I would be. But, you can't do what he did.

To try and excuse this is part of the problem. Dave is dead on the money. You do this shit, you get a long time out

@@davecamm no but if the 8 apologies you defuse the situation straight away I think more drivers need to do this and we’d have a lot less of these situation but still the 4 was bang out of order and does deserve a break

@@craighuddy5351 how do you know the 8 didn't apologize? I was in a race where I bumped a guy, and even though I apologized in voice immediately and sent a PM later he still called me every name in the book and said he would protest me. I made this mistake, took ownership, still didn't matter. At least my opponent didn't do this crap.

@@devilmaster73 sure it won’t solve all these situations but it will help, sure you will always get a few that won’t accept an apology but I still think it helps in most situations

Did you file reports though? You still can in case you saved the replays.

@@MajorWolf72 I did think about it but the file size of the replay is too big and I’d have to edit it into smaller chunks. I couldn’t be bothered with it and not sure how to do it if I’m honest.

@@johngoddard1973 It’s easily done opening the replay and then using the built in cutting tool. I had to do it for the first time recently, took me one trial and error and not more than 10 minutes to have 3 clips from different perspectives of the incident.

@@MajorWolf72 Gotcha. Thanks for that...👍

@@johngoddard1973 and there it is.

That green car randomly going straight into the wall? Hahaha

Thanks David, appreciate that 👍

@@davecamm no problem dave thanks for the reply 🙂 it's your honest casual professional approach that i think gives your content its winning formula.your just a likeable fella,God bless.

Yeah. I'm new to iRacing but im sick of being punted from behind like 8 did twice. No excuse for the course cutting rage.

The infamous „corona dent“ in everybody’s rating...

I haven't been on iRacing before, so forgive my naivety for asking, but how does iRacing losses equal anything other than time loss?

@@Tony240zt When you finish in a position lower then where you started you lose Irating.

ah, ACC, I did one online 'race' (nurburgring, I kinda made it around the T1 hairpin before I finally gave up, I got passed the t1 online in Wreckfest with less damage. iracing is much better, but the driving standards still leave a lot to be desired.

project cars 2

You aren't missing much. iRacing is a mess.

Before I bought lfs I played and demo lobbies and it's full of terrible terrible racers, hackers, and overall bullies. So after getting stupid rammers saying hi all day it's easy to get upset. But sometimes just about the time you blow your top if you see the replay it was actually avoidable or at least I could have made it less devastating. Anyways point being sometimes it's not intentional. People get slammed, spun or whatever into you or it's your fault. So being forgiving and keeping a cool head has saved me from slamming a guy the 1 time it was an accident lol

Like Dave said he just needs a holiday vacation from iracing to think about his actions.

Apologize in voice or text chat! Even if it's not taken well. Your at least showing it was unintentional

He's not a noob. He has a 2000+ iRating and B-class License. He's been doing close to 500 races since he started in 2016. This has nothing to do with "Forza driver" or "struggle to get out of rookies".

Except this kid is a four-year member.

@@kekke2000 500 races isn't alot in 4 years. Works out about 2 races a week. I'd say he's still a rookie

That’s a policy violation also. Report them too.

Agreed

I had the same problems for beating a driver on their mistake then rammed into me after the finish line costing me a 4x on an often x free race. I learned to drive until no car was around and then leave.