very rudimentary test to start with as i know there will be better loads than what i was using, but i think you are correct about using them on high birds, more needs to be done to reverse this trend of high birds smaller gauge fad

Thanks for the input, its a gauge i have never bothered with apart from the odd pot shot with a single barrel bolt action webley and scott when i was very young in my early teens, i know there is more to the 410 and this kind of debate brings the evidence to the table

thanks Stevie - Yes you are right there is a lot more testing and proving to do yet on all gauges

i think it will make people think twice about the load and gauge they choose for certain quarry species

thanks Simon, as you say great fun to shoot at clays very limited on game

thanks for your comments

Hi Jason - there will be better loads out there !! but it needs films like this to get them out in the open - more advice is needed for smaller gauge users in my mind

Thanks -we will be doing all the gauges eventually

Thanks

just dipping my toe ! in but i do i realize there are better loads out there and people with more knowledge than me on the subject

Dave Carrie Shooting no problem a bit of extra information always helps

all will get their turn

Me too just purchased a Rossi single barrel 20 guage ejector for a knock about farm/trap gun. Lovely pattern at 30 yards with 5 and 6 shot.

Thanks for the info Tony a lot of debate to come "me thinks"

Dave Carrie Shooting I am sure there will be Dave and test results are very revealing.I feel this series will end up being a very very popular one. All the best. Tony

Fantastic description of a good use for the 410, getting the load right and the quarry species is all important tho. thanks for your comments much appreciated

@@DaveCarrieShooting thanks Dave. I bought the Yildiz version as it was a MC, and used 3/4 and full. But later changed to full and full as are 99% of fixed choked manufacturers. Since loosing my ground its seeb little use, but treated myself to a grd 5 browning 28g for close quater pheasants on my shoot. This will only be my first full season with it.

let us know how you get on with the 28gauge

fibre only - 35 or 36grm blackgold 5s or 33grm grouse 5.5 - if you can use plastic 34grm 5 pigeon extreme or dark storm 36 5s or 4s

all through 3/4 3/4 or 3/4 and full

That’s really helpful thanks Dave , no blown patterns through that constriction?

i enjoyed shooting the 410 and its nice to try different loads something i will be visiting at a later stage👌

Thanks for your honest opinion

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well said and i think you are correct in choosing a 28 over a 410 any time

lovely gauge and one i need to pattern and field test

thanks for the input Alex, but i did say there is more to come with the 410 and i was no expert on the gauge, the second film does just that !! shows a fairer view with some one who is more knowledgeable than me and is a 410 enthusiast

good choices there my friend

you speak the truth

i agree, but 18gms of 71/2 does not have quite the same effect as 28grms of 71/2 on the DVD, this is the only difference - 10 more grms looks very impressive at the side of the little 410 load of 18grms , and because of the gaps in pattern the smoke (lead dust impact) is not so noticeable of the small load thanks for your comments DC

Thank you. I look forward to your comparison of a 20 bore and 12 bore, I habitually use a 20 with 28gm loads, and I believe it performs as well as a 12 with the same load, although there are still many who look down their noses at a 20 bore! Maybe the shot string with a 20 is slightly longer, but I do not see why there should be any other difference in performance. I think the .410 is very much a gun for short range ratting or rabbits, and should not be used for pheasants or similar game.

thankyou for your sensible comments ! much appreciated

A 12 Gauge is no more powerful than a 410 in terms of velocity of the pellets (1100fps to 1300fps for both). A 12 Gauge just throws more lead in a shorter shot column than a 410 which is why it patterns so much better.

@@JohnB-dr8sk Wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Force equals mass x velocity. Therefore, there IS much more force when more mass is used. Shot strings are variables with barrels, ammo brands, powder charges, chokes, etc. and not necessarily subject to gauge. I personally don’t shoot a 12 g any longer as I’ve become a pansy: too heavy, and too much recoil for my old bones. So, it’s an old 5-1/2 lb or a 6 lb SxS 20 g. double gun that gets drug through the coverts or fields. Especially on grouse, when half of the pellets are absorbed by saplings and brush, a heavier shot load just makes more sense.(Which might be why you don’t find any competitive trap shooters using .410s in their work, and you don’t see them in the north woods for anything other than a novelty.) I catch and release most of my trout, but when I come home from a long day in the field; bird hunting, I want the dogs to have done more than point. I want to put some meat on the table. Hope you are getting out and enjoying the woods yourself this winter. Take care.

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very good point Aaron

You’ve kind of contradicted yourself there. Why would you not use the gun that’s designed for the load and patterns best instead of shooting a light load in a bigger gun? People have spent over a century perfecting these guns. 28 bore is as good as a 12 at normal game ranges. 410 is definitely more limited in range and I don’t think anyone has ever suggested you should shoot high pheasants with them.

good advice

all in the name of science😂

these are my own buildings where the pattern plate is located, the excess shot is what is known as flyers !! pellets that deviate from the true pattern.