This is definitely the part that makes you see both sides. Caesar only wants peace and doesn’t seek conflict. He knows how destructive humans can be, but isn’t willing to cost ape lives unless he has no choice. Koba meanwhile grew hateful of humans and while he does have a valid point, chances are all the humans who caused him pain are dead now and it’s likely these people have nothing to do with what happened to him.

Yeah, not gonna lie. Koba showing his scars and remarking "Human work" is probably one of the more heartbreaking things to hear and see and while you can agree with his actions that followed, he was scarred mentally and emotionally to as he was physically to making any peace with any human was never going to ever happen.

I love how Maurice started to get up once he heard Koba raise his voice like “Alright calm down, calm down” 😂

I have been searching for this scene for a while, you gotta love how Caesar simply stands up to assert his dominance.

Koba couldn't let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him.

Ceasear remind me of my mom when he stood up like that... 😭😭😭 0:56 "Who you getting Loud with?!"

Koba is easily one of the best villains of all time and what makes this scene so great is you can see where both caesar and koba are coming from caesar, caesar just wants to protect the apes but koba's been treated like shit his whole life by humans and he knows how much of a threat the humans will become again if they have power up and running again!

Koba: “Human work!” Shere Khan: “Does my face not remind you of what a grown man can do?”

0:41 Goosebumps whenever Koba shows his scars. The angry and sadistic way he was beyond animalistic. He was a demon.

Something I only just noticed is exactly _how_ Caesar accepts Koba's gesture. It's forgiving, sure, but there's a hardness to how he swipes Koba's palm, making his hand bend back a little. It's not dismissive but it's not exactly positive either. It's in a "I'll let you off the hook this time but watch yourself!" kind of way. Hence Koba's expression, he knows he's upset Caesar so he won't listen anymore so leaves. And Caeser looks on after him, his expression softens a little but still seems stoic. At this time, Koba's still a brother to him, but he's still displeased at having his authroity questioned. You can almost imagine, if Caesar had gone after Koba somewhere more private, a more diplomatic dialogue could have happened and maybe the outcome of the film might be different.

I just realized both king Kong actors are in this

Koba is one of the best "sympathetic" villains in pop culture. He's got valid points, and an understandable motivation at least at first, but eventually his motivating force, his distrust of humans, got out of hand to the point he starts harming his fellow apes as well.

I love how rocket was getting ready to defend Caesar of need be

The line that made him talk

I understand why Koba has his hatred for Humans, but it honestly bothered me that he allowed himself to be so blinded by his hate. Because the opening scene with Cesar and Koba on the hunt, you could see the genuine concern and worry Koba had for his friend, his brother if I may say. But Cesar's own remembrance of Wil who took care of him also blinded him. It drifted them apart, and broke their unity. As Koba was so hurt and bothered that Cesar choose the humans over the apes, over him. Than what he did to Cesar, followed by Ash during his onslaught I knew it was over for him. There was no going back

Gotta give props to the motion capture acting of Serkis and Kebbell. The amount of character development with sign language and physical acting here is pretty amazing

The man who played Koba portrayed it perfectly in this scene. It kills me that Hollywood these days can’t seem to count past three. I have all the original movies. The fact that they even set it up in the first one with the crew to Mars being lost, it could have been so freakin epic if they had continued with this story!

I love it when movies have villains who became villains through trauma, like Kona or Thanos. You don’t cheer for them but you definitely question your own principles and whether or not you would compromise on them if put through the same trials.

“Koba couldn’t let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him”

Kudos to Tony Kebbel for his portrayal of Koba

Koba is such a stellar movie villain.

Koba is the kind of villain that's just beautiful, everything about him is just wonderful, I love how every aspect complicates him; his scarred face compliments his sadistic smile, making him terrifying and imposing, but every scar was given to him by abuse, for each scar you take away, he'd be less sadistic, but for each he's been given he's permanently changed by them, his actions even dictated by them, as pain is all they've taught him, trust has been driven out of him and replaced with distrust for totally understandable reasons. He's the walking embodiment of "hurt people hurt people" and because of this you can never truly hate him, pity him, but not hate him.

Both Koba and Caesar have valid perspectives here and their own unique strengths. Too bad they couldn't find common ground somewhere. They made a great team. Remember Koba actually saved Caesar and his son from being killed by a bear. Caesar should have been more understanding of Koba.

I love it when Cesar stands up looking at koba and putting him in his place without saying anything

This is an interesting scene. Caesar knows the humans better than any ape there, he knows there good nature and also their bad nature. He understands where Koba is coming from but he wants to avoid any chance of war/death of apes as much as possible. I understand why koba would want to eliminate the threat while they’re weak, even though not all humans have the same intentions/motives, I won’t be surprised if they started the war if Koba never started

Koba is a strong character against Caesar...

These movies were so much better than anyone would expect them to be. They took a whacky movie with a whacky premise and made incredible prequel movies

Koba was right about his beliefs.

He’s right..why would I let my oppressors regain strength after knowing how destructive and cruel and insensitive they are to others walks of life

I LOVE when Caesar had his “Don’t Question Me” moments. 🤣

Maurice stood up ready to throw down with Cesar too 😂

This was one of Cobas most touching scenes. He had completely lost all hope in humans. I understand his rage. But Caesar was raised by good humans and therefore has seen that All humans were not bad.

Who knew an animal put under our knives had something to say...

I agree with koba..who wouldn't feel the way he did after all that happened to him. He didn't want any of his primate friends going through that stuff either let alone and him again so I totally 1000% agree with him. Having said that I understand Caesars point of view he don't want to lose any more of his kind to the humans and he does know that there are good humans out there just not many of them so both of them have completely valid points

Koba is so fucking cool

As these comments say, this Koba collected a lot of negative experiences in life, that is, too many negative experiences. It affects the head, he gets what is called trauma, that's where evil arises, his heart is filled with hatred and bitterness, his mind is dark. In a way, he had good reasons for it, but not all people are guilty of experimentation.

I feel like Caesar is a war general that looks things through and tries to reason rather than wage unnecessary wars while Koba is a corrupted war captain that will do anything to get his way

I don't blame Koba for hating humans. He has every right to hate them. They took him away from his mother and they killed her. They took him away from his caretaker "Mary". They abused and experimented on him, in zoo's and laboratories. So, Koba has every right to hate and not trust humans.

Koba's backstory is so heartbreaking, and to see him become a villain to the point that he didn't even care if other apes became his victims along with humans is such a horrific ending to his character. This concept only makes me feel worse knowing that animals are still used in experiments for vile human technology across the world. Its a point where if it is actually necessary evil for the concerns of humanity, and not just savagery used for the excuse of progressing science.

Such a powerful scene

Getting serious professor x and magneto vibes

Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.

Koba was right, though Had humans fully gained their capacity, they'd be grateful at first, sure, But over time, they'd try and ambush the apes Conflict was inevitable

I think if a human showed they cared about him I think he would of changed how he thought of them since not all humans are bad

"It take one bad day to make you the joker But it take a whole bad life to make you koba" Deadpooljoker probably

0:34 i like that look on kola's face, almost as though he was geuninely considering Caesar words for a moment.

Andy Serkis is perfection. That is all.

0:56 WHO TF U YELLING AT!?

It's two different idealogies at war here, they both had vastly different interactions with humans so view them in vastly different ways.

0:56 the way ge stood up had everybody looking

Caeser also knows that not all humans are evil because he was raised by humans. Koba only saw the evil side of humans like when he had his face slashed and blinded in one eye by a cigarette

I understand why Koba resents humans. I feel that if Ceasar and Koba had a proper conversation on this topic, things would've turned out different. Ceasar could've been more sympathetic and not as harsh with brushing off his opinions; he could've told him maybe about Will, like that Koba could've seen that not all humans are bad. Koba also should've been more open-minded, and if he would've interacted with Malcolm and his family, maybe he wouldn't have gone through with his plans. This was sad because you could tell that Koba and Ceasar had a great bond before humans appeared

Every time we do some stupid shit to each other or the planet I quote Koba’s line.

I love the "human work" part. Koba is 100% correct, and we can add even more. Destruction of our home the environment: human work Kidnappings: Human work Intentional murder (not for self-defense but for nefarious purposes): Human Work Slavery: Human Work Wars: Human Work! Genocide: HUMAN WORK! And so much more When you really start thinking about it one could start seeing themselves siding with Koba. At least I am a little bit. Like whenever I read these new stories of how people kidnapping, tormenting, and murdering innocent people, my blood boils. I feel quite the saddness and anger, something that makes me understand Koba. Koba really is an excellent antagonist in general.

One thing is for sure if Ceasar had listen to copa his wife and son would have lived

Good scene.

such a powerful scene , so conflicting and right and wrong on many levels at the same time ,,,,,

Koba is basically the human race, we get hurt and rarely its forgiven. Forgiving especially if you got hurt soo bad, its hard. I feel Koba

You know how I got these scars?

What’s kind of funny is Koba was the original ape that bite the human that began the spread of the Semion Flu. That cause the near extinction of humans and domination of apes. No one knew that though.

0:57 All I could think what Caesar was saying in his head was “SIT YOUR MONKEY ASS DOWN!!!” 😂😂😂

Better dialouge than Every MCU Film

Koba was right. You can trust individual humans, but never a group

The sad and irony of Koba is that humans basically "created" him.

I dont like Koba but i can understand his worries about humans and what they are capable of.

Team Koba

I remember me and my audience laughing when he first said “Human work”. Then he said it as he pointed to his scar, and we stopped.

I love that Koba sees Caeser sign "Human Work" then just in pure disgust points at his scars SAYING "Human Work"

I love these films.

That’s the toughest part by far about the conflict between Caesar and the apes and humans. They cant distinguish the difference between good humans and bad humans. Just like the apes, most of our population have good hearts, but the evil doings of a few bad humans, and apes, destroy the relationship, and the reputation of all of them. It’s sad

Koba couldn’t see from Caesar’s point not all humans are bad and are like the ones he’s encountered he was just to deep in his hatred for him the lost of his eye must’ve hit home and that’s what caused his demise

Caesar was raised with love. Koba was raised with hate. They both saw both sides of humanity.

Damn, how does nobody talk about Toby kebels performance as koba in this film? He's such an underrated actor. True rocknrolla.

Ok who’s side u on? Caesar or Koba?

Nah Caesar should've at least shown some compassion for Koba, knowing what humans did to him.

Koba is so interesting because he is so justified in his beliefs. He hated humans but only after Caesar attacked him did he finally stop believing in him.

Cesar still see humans as the people who raised him when he was a baby. That’s why he has sympathy for them. The rest of the apes didn’t have that chance to see a good side of humans.

I love how this film made us be capable of seeing the point of view from both sides Caesar doesn’t want conflict with the humans and just wants an environment that keeps Apes safe and humans out of there habitat Koba knows that humans could attack them whenever they want and knows that they could care less about how they treat apes But to be fair in the end Koba was more dictating than caring

A part of Kobas breaking point was Cesars fault, he never tried to understand Koba , he instead attacked him and repelled him , no wonder he betrayed him , he betrayed him first.

Dude to me Cesar standing up to assert his dominance also is him saying he is human work also and to tread lightly because not only did humans fuck them up it ultimately allowed them to thrive

Such a powerful scene and so well acted by Toby Kebbell. You really can feel the anger and distrust Koba has for humans because of the trauma he experienced. You can see why Koba doesn't want to give peace a chance.

You could argue that Koba’s fears and anger were completely justified just imagine if Caesar’s time with humans was as dark and brutal as koba’s as appose to the loving nurturing environment that Will provided he would most likely call for the extermination of humans had he not experienced our good side

HERE WAS A CAESER WHEN COMES ANOTHER!

You can't say you feel bad for him

I love how, even though Koba backed down here, the way Caesar won the argument (an outright display of dominance/bullying rather than actually answering Koba's disrespectfully-expressed but reasonable points) pretty much guarantees that Koba comes back harder later on. Caesar's son later being so easily swayed by Koba would likely have been avoided if the debate had been resolved as a debate rather than a threat display.

If Caesar had said something like "Let them turn on toys and distractions, then they'll go", Koba might've seen reason.

Im not against humans. But koba was definitely right. If they killed the humans while theyre weak they would avoid any future more dangerous wars. The apes would suffer a few casualties but they would live on peacefully with no competitors.

*Spoiler* Koba was evil toward both humans and apes, and it's good that he got terminated...but I still feel bad for him.

Pure dominance

*_Human Work!!?? This is the funniest line in the movie._*

Still we must pray and put an end to all anima/pet abuse, experimentation, cruelty, and illegal fighting once and for all. So that all animals and pets could have a chance of peace, hope, faith, freedom, happiness, support, care, and a healthy life again. ✊🏻🕊️✝️🥹 🤝🙏💟😇

It's painful to watch Caesar poorly handle Koba's rightful concerns. Up until he chimped out and got confiscated to an ape prison, Caesar had grown up seeing the best in humans, and doesn't want to believe these humans will turn on them. Rather than admit any sense of concern over the future and relate to Koba, he just browbeats his authority, which doesn't help Koba at all. Eventually Koba snaps and it comes to a violent confrontation because Koba takes the whole thing personally and decides to lash out at Caesar over it, forcing a dominance display and in doing so crushing the last chance at Koba and Caesar sharing a peaceful future as apes. Caesar spent much of the movie using intimidation to stay on top rather than reason, and it clearly _doesn't work out._

- Title says (HD) - 240p ....Human....Work....

Looking back, I really like the nuance of their arguments. While Ceasar is "blinded" by his dismay of killing, he's not wrong that co-operating with the humans was the best chance at peace. They would've attacked them for the dam if the apes refused access, and before Koba discovered that arsenal of guns, the apes would've failed to destroy the human city or at least suffered tremendous casualties (maybe they would've succeeded in a raid, but not after announcing their existence to the city). But he should've demanded something in return, like hostages or guns or technology or information on the rest of humanity instead of giving access freely. For all he knew, a massive human army could've been right around the corner. Koba at first points out valid concerns, like making the humans more dangerous with no benefit to the apes (other than keeping them from being attacked for the time being), but he clearly overrestimates what the apes can do, is indifferent to ape casualties or is too emotional.

Koba: (gets mouthy) Caesar: (stands up) Koba: 🫴🏿

Honestly I feel like people don’t see the true nature of Koba it’s not that he’s afraid for the apes he’s afraid for himself

0:56 Caesar is like, “I swear to god, you better not push me Koba, I’m warning you!”

Here you can see both sides of the argument. Koba wanting to attack the humans and destroy them because he suffered physical and psychological abuse. Caesar understood, but wanted a peaceful solution and not cause any friction between them and the humans. Also it shows as Caesar said that Koba only learned hatred from humans. Although understandable Kobas reasons he could not get over his anger and hatred towards humans. This starts the friction between Caesar and Koba, leading to Kobas betrayal and his own downfall.

I don't know where exactly I read it, but it stated something along the lines that Koba had been "difficult" and "aggressive" even before testing began - it's quite possible he was suffering from some sort of simian form of psychopathy which became worse by his experiences in life later - remember many other apes were also kept in laboratories, yet none of them were as bloodthirsty, sadistic and remorseless as him.

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