A forgettable form on a forgettable pokemon. Honestly deserved for being so irrelevant.

It's so forgettable, I dont blame ya

Hisuian Avalugg is a regional forme done wrong. The Speed boost did nothing and Ice/Rock is just as bad as pure Ice even with the added resistances.

RIP

quad weak to steel and fighting is just major oofs. aggron/bastiodon suffers from quad fighting and ground weaknesses. Alolan Sandslash had a quad weakness to both Fire and Fighting.

I POPPED when I heard your voice, love the crossover

Live Wo-Chien Reaction

@@JP-bn9dnthe two best comp poketubers in one video, my life’s goal has been reached

I too love Wo Chien, I got great success while living in and competing in India with a Flutter Mane, Galarian Zapdos, Wo Chien, Incineroar, Ogerpon Cornerstone and Suicune stall team

@@JP-bn9dnit’s funny cause I get all these Pokémon channels mixed up anyways

THE WALL!

NO ONE ON EARTH CAN MAKE YOU FALL

Not funny

Only if it has wish support.

@@cerdic6586 It's a reference, you don't need to be rude.

Non-contrary serperior is ironically contrarian

I almost forgot that was even possible

It feels like a crime

I was shocked

​@@athan13590Wow, a pun and the correct use of irony. That was a good one, I came dangerously close to laughing.

Crazy how they somehow managed to give Avalugg a worse defensive typing than pure ice

Thankfully Terrastalize exists

unironically they did him so dirty. I looove regular avalugg, so I was super hype, but noooo they had to add ROCK TYPE.

Why god hates you - The Gamefreak Theorem

Ice is crappy defense type anyway

Skill link icicle spear go brrrrrr

IIRC it was also genuinely a boon in gen 1, where freeze-fishing was very common and immunity to it was an excellent trait, as was resisting the 90% accuracy blizzards, and Ice's weaknesses were basically non-existent in the format

​@@ZeppongolaTrue. Fighting was crap because psychic was so busted, and rock slide wasn't that widespread, IIRC.

@@Jw87563 Yep. Plus fighting moves were pretty awful in general (I think the best one available to anything other than hitmonlee was submission), steel wasn't a thing yet, and the only halfway common fire attacks in the format came from the rare Moltres. I think the only gen 1 OU 'mon that usually ran rock slide was Rhydon (and golem, before it got phased out. Snorlax can learn it too, but I think you'd be sacrificing more critical moves for it)... who takes 4x damage from water, meaning it is 2-shot by _clamp_ of all things- which also stops it retaliating since its a gen-1 trapping move- and is very unlikely to even do 50%+ with rock slide in return, _and_ is outsped by Cloyster

I was about to say something.I love my skill link cloister

Glaceon is at least decent offensive pokemon, sadly due to it being eeveelution, it gets hold back and is weaker from it.

Neither does game freak

That’s the problem with rock and ice types. They try to be tanks way too often, but they have terrible defensive match ups.

@@nablamakabama488 Rock is at least okay in the way it resists Fire, Normal, Flying, etc. and isn't weak to Stealth Rock.. Ice on the other hand is the most terrible defensively

@@nablamakabama488 rock is designed originally to be defensive and to this day has a great mix of defensive and offensive opinions. Ice was never meant to be defensive so it's baffling that Game Freak keeps trying to nake it defensive. Snow helps sure but snow is better for keeping the glass canons alive!

It is the usual voice wym

@@noah_of_babylon it's like 1 or 2 whole octaves deeper, same person doing the voice but it's deeper.

​@@danielthemangrandewym you're clearly gaslighting us. It's the normal narrator?!

This guy. This guy gets it.

true

Y E S

Ironic since you can’t get a moxie boost using false swipe

It was strange that he mentioned it was the usual narrator, since it clearly was and nobody was questioning it.

@@booradley6832 Maybe he had a cold and was afraid his voice would sound different. No need though, same ole voice.

Both suck, at least this one does not do the virgin jokes.

@@RandalfElVikingookay virgin

@@nousername191Such dedication he has to his work. Good on you Mox-I mean Kellen 😊

Moxie: have you ever heard the tragedy of darth wo Chien the wise

I love it.

That’s the April Fools joke.

do it anyway. I did it's a cool pokemon

You can use almost everything in a playthrough. I use a Magcargo in my current HG run. It might not be good at tanking special attacks, but it wrecks everything with it's choice specs attacks

​@@iBenjamin1000 it's Ice-type ofc it's cool 🙃

​@@kintaro1851yea you can use anything, but it can be a frustrating experience.

@@kintaro1851 Exactly, most of these mainline pkmn games are easy as hell because your opponents are often stuck with underwhelming teams & strategies while you have the ability to overlevel them if needed. Damage multipliers alone are just ridiculously broken in this franchise. Combine this with +6/-6 buff/debuff limit, and you can often just sweep with absolute impunity. (May I remind you, SMT has that at +4/-4 in Nocturne, +3/-3 in SMT4/Apocalypse & +2/-2 in SMT5/probably Vengeance. Even the premier hard as balls series doesn't allow you to go that far in buffs.)

Defensively anyhow. Offensively they became stronger

@@victory8928 Except for probably electric and rock - rock doesn’t help it against its main road block in ground - and rock is generally a physical typing while electric is special meaning you are going have subpar stabs depending if your physical or special

Imagine rock/normal blissey in the sand tho...

@@rossthemoss6827I would a argue a special one would be better, simply because Power Gem doesn’t fucking miss Only slightly tho

Rock seem to lack synergy with most types, except for maybe grass.

It's a lot easier to stomach once you accept that Rock is a bad defensive typing on top of having anti-synergy with Steel.

Making rock the second worst defensive type was one of the choices of all time.

think about it like this rocks and steel are durable in real life, but they can still be damaged by pickaxes, explosives, and other things designed to do so so it’s not weak because it’s fragile, it’s weak because more things are available that can break it

Rock is weak because it's brittle. But it makes sharp edges in a lot of cases which is why it stabs good.

I never understood why rock is weak against grass. Realistically, it should be the other way around. No grass is gonna grow where there is a big ass boulder.

Wo chien live reaction

Don't forget Brian Hands.

Agreed, I was pleasantly surprised to see TierZoo as a guest narrator for the Tropius video since he’s probably my favorite KZfaqr at the moment but also hella unexpected since he does zoological videos lol. Hopefully we can get more guest narrators in the future as well (Jimothy Cool, Finchinator, Freezai, and maybe even Pinkacross are ones I’d like to see lol)

@@NightSkyNyx I thinking Reverent, Plauge von Karma and Big Yellow too. You know some of the big RBY KZfaqrs.

Aggron isnt bad, he just has bad MUs. If you learn the meta/tier he is in he can be really good.

Mega Aggron dropping Rock and being a better tank for it will never not be funny.

What was ever the point.of giving intended tanky Pokemon such intentionally bad typings? Like, they don't even always need GOOD typings (Aggron would STILL probably be better than it is now as a pure Rock not even a pure steel), but just... Don't make the typing like shooting them in the face

​@@baxterbruce9827 I think GameFreak just didn't think the relation between themes/concepts and actual type relations through. Think about it, whenever there's a monster in any piece of fictional media that has rock skin, wears armor or anything like that, its depicted as being super bulky, which makes sense given how sturdy these materials are in real life. Sounds all fine on paper. But in practice, that concept falls apart since the many weaknesses of rock types can be justified just as easily, and pairing it with steel makes it even weaker to fighting type moves. But I don't care, I'm still gonna use Aggron whenever it's available in a mainline game again. Even if it's not the best

And still being hindered by no recovery and can't even hold leftover's ​@@gengarzilla1685

Worry seed be like. I don’t know if that ferra was using worry seed?

Naw... Bastiodon would be like "hey, you need BIG defensive stats on your team... Typing isn't as important as Toxapex would let you believe"

And edited by Aurorus, written by Golem and researched by Articuno

​@@magdalenomartinezjr8805to be fair to golem it isn't really ever used for its defense stat

It would also be written by Milotic and Blissey.

And while they're at it, get rid of freezing and bring in Frostbite. Freeze status is such an archaic mechanic.

What about the likes of Heatran, Gyarados, Pelipper, Volcarona, Landorus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Kingambit, Chien-Pao, Urshifu (Single-Strike), Calyrex (Shadow-Rider), Koraidon, Scizor, and Ferrothorn?

Wait, 2.5x weakness multipliers are a thing in Legends Arceus, how come I never hear anyone talk about this?

nah that would make pokemon like bastiodon or ferrothorn too strong with their defenses

I agree, I think you could easily justify adding water and dragon to that list too.

​@@alejandrobernard3828 Water I absolutely agree and I have been thinking this for years, but I don't know about resisting Dragon.

@@RasenShot I put dragon cause lizards move slower when cold, so I feel I makes sense. In terms of game balance though, it probably would be a bad idea.

@@alejandrobernard3828 VGC player here, we don’t need a defensively competent ice type. Snow and Veil are already crazy with Ice having no meaningful resists, I can agree with ice resisting flying, but anything else would be make the typing actually pretty scary, especially with mons like Baxcalibur and Chien Pao running around.

@@Endershock1678the likes of Bax and Chien-Pao is a power creep problem, not a Ice-type problem And how would you feel about a defensively competent Rock-type?

In fairness, pure Rock isn't TERRIBLE defensively, it's just near constantly given antisynergistic pairs that give at least one compound weakness, making it LOOK worse than it is

Balancing around normal types sure is a design decision of all time

@@june9914 You're giving me flashbacks to trying to play Gen 1 and multiple non-Normal type Pokemon having no offensive moves that weren't Normal Like, Scyther didn't even have Wing Attack until Yellow

​@baxterbruce9827 .............That's just dead wrong. As far as defensive types are concerned, having 5 weaknesses is already far from ideal to begin with, but at the very worst 4 of those types are good in some way, with fighting and ground being strong offensively in part to being able to hit 5 types super-effectively each, including notably the steel type for each. Water and steel are also both strong, staple types, so that's bad, too, given how commonly those 2 are seen because their typing makes them go from good to great more often than not. Even grass isn't a type you want to be weak to with things like Ferrothorn and Rillaboom running around in singles and doubles, respectively, and rock types are weak to at least a few of these examples, hence why it was featured multiple times in this video on various Pokemon. The example that kept being brought up for how good a rock type could be defensively being Regirock is only able to make it work by the virtue of it's defensive stats being so high on both ends, letting it take hits a lot better than you'd probably expect a Pokemon with such a large number of weaknesses. As for what rock brings to the table defensively that's actually valuable is mostly it's resistances to fire and flying, as poison isn't good outside of being strong versus fairy types, and normal not hitting anything for super effective damage; past that, having a special defense boost in a sandstorm is nice, but for something like Tyranitar most notably, it's this trait alongside it's solid bulk that give it the most mileage and any sort of defensive niche, and even then, it's largely Tyranitar's ability to set up sandstorm that helps it to enable the rest of it's team that gives it value most consistently when coupled with the movepool it gets. While rock does get a lot of type combinations that make it's weaknesses worse than they already are, that's in no small part because rock is a type that is quite flawed defensively to begin with, similar to how ice and normal don't add that much of value in the same regard when paired with other types

In the interest of fairness, that early in the game where there are usually only Normal, Poison, and Flying Pokémon, Rock is pretty “rock hard” (amirght).

True, it's not great.

Exactly and the funny thing is that there aren't a bunch of fast rock type Pokemon that actually work as sweepers,steel types are basically a improvement Over rock types thus i see no reason no use them.

​@@isidorodaviddoro1920I can only think of aerodactyl

@@Darkmagecurt yup Aerodactyl is way too fast and can basically become a ice/flying and fire type killer,he even has a ability that makes him immune to recoil damage so you get Stab Brave bird and head smash without losing HP. Putting him aside maybe rockruff and it's s evolutions?

@@isidorodaviddoro1920 I love aerodactyl they should've made him rock dragon just like charizard should've been dragon

Rock is a horrible defensive typing in general. Third worst, after Ice and Bug. It's an offensively great typing, always saddled with defensive Pokemon and mediocre moves.

@@1stCallipostle Being an offensive Rock Type with an accurate STAB move is a blessing. Just look at Iron Boulder.

@@saltator8565 Who is UU now lol

​@@1stCallipostlebug is better defensively than rock is. Fighting and Ground are both very great to have as resists and Flying isn't that bad a type to be weak to. Meanwhile, Rock defensively... it has 5 weaknesses, including the aformentioned Fighting and Ground. Its 4 resists would be nice to compensate, if not for the fact that half of them are to *normal and poison*.

It's still good in ou,it's just only usable on ho ​@@Endershock1678

the insulting thing is that it has every single quality needed to qualify for pseudo legendary status EXCEPT base stat total. it could really benefit from having those 70 missing base stat points put into literally anything that isn’t special attack or its already extremely high defense

You seem to forget that gen 1 is gen 1. Everyone and their mother has 90% accurate Blizzard. Rhydon is in the top 10 of viability, yes. But it's not really walling. Also every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf against the terrible Special stat of all the Rock/Grounds.

@@1stCallipostle They also completely wall Zapdos and can switch into Hyper Beam.

@@1stCallipostle 1) ...I didn't forget? That's why I said that Ice and Water are the attacks you have to worry about. So basically Tauros & Starmie, with Cloyster & Slowbro being slightly less common. Lapras, Persian, and Articuno are pretty rare, but also notable. You aren't going to be switching in on those, but the thing is they are more than likely going to have to switch in on YOU, which sucks for them most of the time. 2) I said they wall *electric types* not named Raichu, not "wall any type". In fact they wall electrics such as Zapdos & Jolteon so well and are usually so strong power and coverage-wise that they easily force switches, which is a huge pain for your opponent. No one (not even their Blizzard-spamming checks) wants to come into a neutral STAB EQ or RS from Rhydon's 130 ATK, nor do they want to switch into Golem's Explosion. It's mainly why Rhydon runs Substitute so it can determine the right move to knock the opponent with after the switch. 3) "Every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf". Your last point is wrong. Eggy doesn't get it, Parasect doesn't get it, Tangela doesn't get it, and Vileplume only gets it from Tradebacks which are illegal. Only Venasaur and Victreebell get Razor Leaf in gen 1. Neither of which are very good in OU or even UU (they are currently wallowing in NU), and why beyond Eggy (which is great due to explosion, high special, & the psychic typing), grass types in gen 1 are pretty bad. Almost all of them have to rely on Mega Drain which has 40 base power and is useless outside of hitting rocks. Sometimes Eggy doesn't even run it due to using Psychic which does the job fine. Due to their ability to tank normal hits (especially predicted booms and Hyper Beam's), both walling/forcing switches 100% of the time against electrics bar Raichu, and being able to hit super hard back with their Quake-Slide coverage, Rock+Ground is a great type combo in gen 1. They're essentially THE Electric type answer.

at least it got a mega that fixed it for a short time aurorus has nothing :(

...why did aurorus and tyrantrum not get megas again? Actually, do ANY Kalos mons get megas?​@MirageIslander

What was even the goal of giving such bad typings anyway? It's a genuinely baffling move Like, wouldn't you want a defensively specced Mon to at least not have a typing that hurts it?

It aint much, but its honest work.

@@baxterbruce9827you could argue that, in the earlier gens (3-4), with mons like Aggron, Bastiodon, and especially the Regis, it’s just a case of them prioritizing the „theme“ over competitive viability. The competitive scene was nowhere near as big/influential as it is today, so the fact that Rock and Ice are arguably the two worst defensive types in the game didn’t really matter all that much. They *sounded* like they would be incredible, defensively speaking, and that’s all they cared about. That excuse doesn’t fly for current mons like the two Avaluggs (but especially the Hisuian version), Auroras, Klawf and Wo-Chien though. No clue what happened there

@@KeDe1606 I don't even see much that tells me rock for Aggron though, I see more just for Steel, maybe like, Steel/Fighting (And how cool would THAT be?)

@@baxterbruce9827according to another comment here, the rock typing is apparently supposed to represent unrefined iron ore, which then gets refined after mega evolving (hence the removal of the rock type). Or, again, it’s just that rock seems like a „hard and strong“ type, befitting of a „hard and strong“ Pokémon. And yeah, having it be a steel + fighting mon does sound awesome, even if it’s still not that great of a defensive typing. Especially considering that the only steel + fighting types we have now are… pretty mediocre. Lucario, Cobalion and Zamazenta. What a… motley crew, that bunch

Honestly, I think that speaks the loudest. Hisuian Avalugg exists to look cinematic for a Noble Battle and that’s it.

Nah just a collab

Bastiodon Theorem seems the most obvious pick here, especially since we already have a Rampardos Theorem. Edit; O wait, forgot we already have that one, Aggron Theorem is probably best since it's Mega Evo shows exactly why.

No, lax succeeded as setup or sweeper. P2 always succeeds on Trick Room team thanks to eviolite. Typing is not why you pick them. You have ot judge the whole kit.

@@Goldeneye3336 They both need to be able to take hits well enough in order to function. In doubles overly defensive playstyles don't work, so having a good defensive typing serves as an enabler for a more persistent attacker or a more reliable utility role. In previous gen singles, middle tiers like NU-UU, would often have bulky normal types as viable options. You don't see this that often with actual bad types like rock. Normal on its own is horrible offensively, but is a usable defensive type.

@@arnae9532 You lost me at overly defensive playstyle not working in Doubles. I can't think you're serious past this statement sorry. Bad player mentality and it's okay. room for everyone in Pokemon, just not for you in competitive.

The Rock typing is meant to a reference to iron ore, and its mega evolution "refines" the ore into pure Steel. It still absolutely screws over Aggron but there is at least some thematic premise for screwing it over.

@@joshuakim5240 No, it doesn't, because if the Rock-typing was removed, actually it improved greatly his viability as a offensive tanker.

⁠@@abraham-kun4144(they meant that the partial rock typing was screwing it over, not it‘s removal)

Ground/Steel 4 weaknesses (0 4x weaknesses) inc. a weakness against...ground? 1 immunity 8 resistances (1 .25 resistance) inc. a resistance against...steel?

@@abraham-kun4144 Do recall that not everyone plays the game competitively.

whats the fangame called

@@liqid4171 eternal order, the game is done and can be played on mobile however it's an old version so to get the full game, play it on PC.

Yeah an offensive, fast Rock/Ground would be terrifying until it ate an aqua jet. Hope they do make one eventually