Dehya: A Small Issue of a Much Larger Problem | Genshin Impact

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With Dehya's release is might be easy just to shrug it off and say it was a one time thing...but I think there's a bigger problem at work here.

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@katiethefandomgirl4412
@katiethefandomgirl4412 Жыл бұрын
I didn't even realized that freedom sworn was (assumingly) supposed to be the signature weapon for Jean until you pointed that out from one of the early trailers. The fact that Hoyoverse sweeps something as major as rushing a weapon that was supposed to be for a character is appalling. Dehya really is the pinnacle of all of Hoyoverse's mistakes that they refuse to acknowledge, and it goes to show when they refuse to fix her and just slap her onto the standard banner and call it a day
@remolabarca4959
@remolabarca4959 Жыл бұрын
Day 1 player here and you just read into my mind. I completely agree with you. The workforce allocated to genshin has to release not only a new continent a year, a new zone every 3-4 patches (with all the puzzles, quests and what not, which in itself is already pretty impressive) but also new characters (balancing them with present and future interactions in mind) and game modes, including events (which are at the bare minimum at best). Intead of putting more into their factual good horse, they just decided to turn it into a cash cow and invest in other projects instead. Also let me add my little piece to the conspiration theory. This is just my hot take. Even dendro reactions are kinda overtuned, expecially hyperbloom. They managed to create a reaction so broken that the best use case for a C0 Raiden now is not to build her the way she was intended to (even if you have her weap R1) but full EM as an E bot to trigger the blooms. I don't think that they intended this to be a thing and just went overlooked.
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
Consider that so much of the development time/effort went into those ephemeral events and mechanics. I cannot for the life of me understand why a game company would waste so much resources on temporary content.
@dontthrow6064
@dontthrow6064 11 ай бұрын
@@riotangel4701 the last developments in the gaming industry are all about psychology and how to extract more money. FOMO makes money. It is us who reward this practice with attention and even money.
@voices0000
@voices0000 11 ай бұрын
I don't even remember what my raiden's Burst looks like T-T but at least I don't miss C2 anymore
@angeloguerra5606
@angeloguerra5606 Жыл бұрын
Dehya turned out to be so bad, mostly because the whole of other issues present since early game, converged on her and made her even worse, like the missing of NA hits when the button is pushed fast enough, the horrible autotarget, terrain elevation stuck, etc. Then there is the balance and her personal issues too. Why take her when shields and healers are a thing and she brings nothing to the table, bad multipliers allaround, signature weapon not working properly with her c6, it's just ridiculous. And now her dedicated artifact set, which im convinced it was for someone else until they noticed they had to do something because they realised how bad she was or to have some damage control tool at hand. Damn i didn't meant to rant but i just love her character so much and the way they treated her was a damn shame
@ashkahiri2064
@ashkahiri2064 11 ай бұрын
she was my favorite character in sumeru and i literally saved up 150 wishes for her 😭😭😭😭 but shes so unusable i cant even get her, even though i love her animations
@ARStudios2000
@ARStudios2000 4 күн бұрын
And they're never gonna fix her either. It sucks so much
@vodaz9109
@vodaz9109 Жыл бұрын
Due to what they did to the character (hyping her up for several months only to kick her down in mere minutes), Iansan might follow in her stead. Players who still went all-out to C6/R5 her & her weapon are one of the reasons for why Hoyo does these things and doesn't even communicate about the negative feedback for the character.
@kainekhagan
@kainekhagan 10 ай бұрын
hm... what do iansan and dehya have in common trolololololol
@usubenidango
@usubenidango Жыл бұрын
Oh my god thank you so much for making a video about it, this issue has been living on my mind rent free and it just makes me happy to see more people talking about it! The problem is far from just being Dehya, since Yoimiya and Yae Miko hoyoverse has been making strange decisions.
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays Жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I just hope they learn from their mistakes. But I doubt they will… Not only are they working on their other games but they also have to work on their upcoming characters as well. I think they spread themselves too thin to worry about Dahya.
@giangtran4711
@giangtran4711 Жыл бұрын
@@greenlineessays Based off of what I've seen, I think they really have spread themselves too thin. Not only that, but Genshin has become a third priority to Hoyoverse. Honkai Impact 3rd was always their main priority, and when development for Honkai Star Rails started, it became more important than Genshin Impact. If you have seen the Star Rails leaks, you would understand. Leakers literally managed to access what could be another 2 YEARS of character releases with PERFECT CHARACTER PROMO ART for HALF of the characters.
@PsycheTrance65
@PsycheTrance65 11 ай бұрын
​@@giangtran4711 A friend and I always joke that Genshin is just Star Rail's wallet. All the money whales are giving them in Genshin isn't for improving the game, it's for their other projects 😂
@giangtran4711
@giangtran4711 11 ай бұрын
@@PsycheTrance65 at this point, it is Star Rails wallet’s. and Honkai Impact 3rd’s. and Zenless Zone Zero’s. honestly, all three of these games are more worth playing than Genshin.
@KirukaSempai
@KirukaSempai Жыл бұрын
A really good view on situation. I hope they learn from their mistake and won't release as broken character as Dehya, that's all there is to it. If there is anything they can do it is to release a SPECIFIC artifact set that can practically work only on Dehya, but thats not solving the core problem. So let's just hope i guess?
@smokesandbaconators
@smokesandbaconators Жыл бұрын
The thing is, in 3.6 there would be an artifact that seems to be for dehya, but even then its only very viable at c4, at c0 EOSF is better due to the extra ER and slightly higher damage per burst hit. I do hope they could at least acknowledge the issue, at least a statement that they are aware. For if not, I'm afraid this can happen again to future characters
@laytonvicars4606
@laytonvicars4606 Жыл бұрын
Or genshin will become a testing grounds for hsr...
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
Mihoyo can really learn a lesson or two from Behaviour Interactive ( *Dead by Daylight* ) and not be afraid to re-design characters to make them better to play.
@Caliber30001
@Caliber30001 Жыл бұрын
you know what puts the cherry on the cake??? that they will do absolutely NOTHING to fix anything broken in the game bc for some abnormal and stupid reason that nobody knows they will not do anything to offer a better playability on the characters that need some tweaks and with that, Dehya will sadly still be as useless as she is know i hope that some day some guy comes directly to ma comment to insult me saying that i was wrong and HV fixed her
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays Жыл бұрын
Me too, buddy...me too...
@angeloguerra5606
@angeloguerra5606 Жыл бұрын
And the they run to fix Mika's lower CA cost, but they have been sleeping on fixing keqing's charged attack cost since year 1
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
Mihoyo can really learn a lesson or two from Behaviour Interactive ( *Dead by Daylight* ) and not be afraid to re-design characters to make them better to play.
@Dojafish
@Dojafish 11 ай бұрын
​@@riotangel4701they could do it ,but laws exist to prevent this . In Gacha games its kinda of illegal to change or nerf a characters kit because that means spenders get a worse or different product than they attended for . The reason why they don't just buff characters might be more complicated ,but I think they are two reasons . 1. If they start to buff other characters, their will be pressure to buff other characters. Which leads to a snow bowling effect ,that can become worse because they can't revert buffed characters to their original state (as again its illegal in gachas ) . 2. Players (especially CN) might complain that affirmation characters who was buffed after their banners ended is a scam . Why ? Because they introduced a bad product that only a minority will buy ,and now they buff them making them good ,but that's means players now have to wait for their banners to show up to get them . Yeah it sounds very stupid but unfortunately this is a behavior that many hold. Not that I am against buffing characters, but Hoyo has their reasons .
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
@@Dojafish Explain to me why Zhongli got buffed again?
@mellofuego4917
@mellofuego4917 Жыл бұрын
I think Dehya's design and the philosophy behind it is absolutely intentional. Her only purpose is to add further lose conditions to 50/50 and standard banner pull scenarios (because Qiqi was not enough). It's not gambling if every outcome is a win. Take it from a guy who is still hoping to pull Tighnari and got Dehya from standard the minute her limited banner ended. I wouldn't be surprised if they weighted her higher than all the OG 5 stars. At least now I have a 5 star level 1 paperweight that can proudly wield the Bell.
@voices0000
@voices0000 11 ай бұрын
at least bring her to 20 an recoup one of those pulls my dude
@mellofuego4917
@mellofuego4917 11 ай бұрын
@@voices0000 LOL fair enough.
@bloddrinkeraka
@bloddrinkeraka 11 ай бұрын
Wdym minute after her banner ended, she's in first half and only got added in standard in 3.6
@huehue5286
@huehue5286 Жыл бұрын
If she at least was a good pyro applicator, we could have an alternative to xiangling and have more pyro teams available.
@charastar_
@charastar_ Жыл бұрын
no i was thinking about this as soon as yoimiya came out i was like wait no that bolide set fits her perfectly what tysm for making a video about it dude
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
GIven how paper thin Yoimiya is, retracing bolide is a viable set when protecting her with shield.
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai Жыл бұрын
People still playing Genshin? Hasn't there been a drop at some point or is it going steady? Because the amount of BS they keep pulling is staggering! I'm not even keeping an eye out anymore (aside from random recommendations, such as this one).. and with their new game coming out, I swore they would just give up on Genshin (because I'm sure they are NOT fixing anything that is wrong with it and moving on)
@painkiller8101
@painkiller8101 11 ай бұрын
If they feel they have to put out huge amounts of content so fast just to keep players interest, they’re wrong. We would wait longer if it meant things would make more sense and the game was better put together. Rushing mediocre content is gonna make us drop the game faster than we would if we waited longer for excellence instead. Now with star rail out, I fear that’s not gonna happen.
@skinlesschickennuggets
@skinlesschickennuggets Жыл бұрын
Imagine they mess up il capitano and put him on the standard banner, that's pretty much what happened to dehya. Like YOU KILL PEOPLE FOR LIVING HOW IN THE WORLD YOU MANAG TO BE SO WEAK. it's really giving "I wanna fight someone while i have my 10 inch nails on, oh yea they're also going to be wear full body armor so i can't even poke out their eyes"
@OnlySSSTuna
@OnlySSSTuna 11 ай бұрын
I rlly dont care for the characters one bit anymore. I have bigger issues with their overall game design. The progression system is self explanatory, the quests being tedious is a given and events being boring is only half the problem. The biggest problem is the MAP itself. They marketed this as an exploration game didnt they? So why on earth does the exploration suck the most out of everything else. Think about it, when you enter a new region, what awaits you? The first thing you see is 99% a chest and another annoying collectable. This company just scatters stuff all over the map like assassin's creed and call it content. It was ok during release because they're uncertain of their success but what about now? Making billions just to pump out more garbage? Decided to make concerts and develop other games when your most popular game sucks ass? What the hell. It's obvious they just want money and there's no passion on the genshin team so why are we still giving them our money? I feel like an idiot spending in this game during the early days but these idiots out here are paying 50x my amount and to this day, still throwing money at them. So what did they get? They got Baizhu and Dehya. Ya fun right?
@chenchen6150
@chenchen6150 Жыл бұрын
Mihoyo game character design since GGZ are notorius to be hit and miss, just seach it yourself there is hefty documentaries about it not even upcoming game can avoid such fate. Like you said in previous video about they have alot of budget they clearly don't have the effort in their character design aspect despide the amount of money and time they can do. The sad reality is the dev is rather lazy than being overworked (probaly the geographic design might be an exception) they don't want Zhongli incident happen again so they clearly put her on standar banner to avoid and as an excuse. This entire incident sadly will make people more trusted with leaks rather than making them not trusted which something the dev are so desperately try to shut it down till now.
@samiam7327
@samiam7327 Жыл бұрын
I misread GGZ as GG EZ. Help.
@Dojafish
@Dojafish 11 ай бұрын
They put in effort , many characters have well thought kits . Usually a character being bad only seems to be for profit . Example being recent 4 stars having underwhelming kits ,but their constellations makes them ten times better so it insensitive to spend more . Unfortunately it seemed that Dehya being this bad was intentional . I don't what where their thinking but they had every intention to make her this bad .
@johanstenfelt1206
@johanstenfelt1206 Жыл бұрын
Huh, fair and valid points and opinions, i wonder what you will cover next.
@MrFinepixa
@MrFinepixa Жыл бұрын
Interesting takes. They are for sure rushed and it could be that Dehya is just in a very rushed state. They nerfed her multipliers to relegate her to not be a balancing concern ontop of everything too. It really sucks.
@neurofiedyamato8763
@neurofiedyamato8763 7 ай бұрын
Having a strong character can break balance as everyone will abuse it. A weak character can just be ignored and nothing changes so your point is valid. Additionally it is safer to make a character too weak than too strong. You can always buff them later if absolutely necessary (not that they will). And everyone likes to be stronger so no complaints. If too strong, nerfing is a lot harder because people paid for it so it is hard to justify. People would feel scammed. Venti took some serious creativity to nerf him. Same with Raiden with dendro being introduced.
@erikbihari3625
@erikbihari3625 7 ай бұрын
The Tom and Jerry clip, killed me! Subscriber, achieved, my friend. What video do you guys think we should suggest him to make? Maybe could be collaboration with Cyrus the Great!
@dnaseb9214
@dnaseb9214 Жыл бұрын
I hate that this game refuses to buff or nerf
@princepscretaceus1046
@princepscretaceus1046 Жыл бұрын
Dehya lowkey might just be another standard banner character that is meant to give you pain when you lose 50/50
@klonrymeryme5293
@klonrymeryme5293 4 ай бұрын
11 months later, despide there is Furina and artifact that rely on losing and gaining hp Dehya is still underwhelming due to her confusing kit.
@DancerVeiled
@DancerVeiled 11 ай бұрын
I was really looking forward to Deyha, but she's just... garbage. She's broken on a conceptual, design-space level. No numerical tweaks will fix her. I dunno who thought a character's schtick should be "taking constant damage", without like... some kind of seriously busted benefits and synergies with taking damage or storing mitigation to ramp your own multipliers, but here we are. Chroma from Warframe is actually kind of a decent way to look at that sort of thing. Vex Armor more or less increases your damage multiplier based on damage taken, thus giving a risk reward curve that encourages you not use shields that much.
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 11 ай бұрын
She was the _perfect opportunity_ to showcase how to burning/burgeon but somehow completely missed that.
@jmlabrador6546
@jmlabrador6546 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Can I have the sauce for that Dehya art on the thumbnail please?
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays Жыл бұрын
Sorry!! I thought I had given it to you roughly a day ago. I guess KZfaq doesn't like it when I send questionable links in the comments section. From what I have found the artist name is Karsa on Pixiv.
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays Жыл бұрын
www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/106111174
@jmlabrador6546
@jmlabrador6546 Жыл бұрын
@@greenlineessays thanks, man. Very cool!
@user-og9nl5mt1b
@user-og9nl5mt1b 10 ай бұрын
Need a video on hydro traveller and 4 stars which are only good at c6 like kujo sara and faruzan
@elielarreola3531
@elielarreola3531 6 ай бұрын
4:57 i just remembered that set existed and i think there's not a single character that works with it
@Otakusenpai786
@Otakusenpai786 10 ай бұрын
Completely Agreed Genshin Dev Team really didn't know why some character kit signature weapons passive kinda work, some passive not same with people who make concept of weapon didn't match the characters realated colours, designs, etc. Just pull from for get DMG Boost, C6R5 Kinda fix Any characters just grind hard or Swipe credit Card.
@vibhisingh3826
@vibhisingh3826 Жыл бұрын
dehya was the first five star i ever got while wishin- :")
@bonchachan6061
@bonchachan6061 Жыл бұрын
What's the music playing at 7:50 ?
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays Жыл бұрын
Persona 5 "Beneath the Mask"
@mysticmallachi777
@mysticmallachi777 8 ай бұрын
I use Dehya to run faster during the day, Xiao to lower stamina consumption while climbing, Heizou to lower sprinting stamina consumption, and Bennet because he's the best character in the game. I run fast with enough competency to fight random trash. I hate anything that isn't overworld exploration, which I do only to vibe and mildly cure my boredom.
@mysticmallachi777
@mysticmallachi777 8 ай бұрын
That's my only real justification for Dehya being on my team.
@greenlineessays
@greenlineessays 8 ай бұрын
That's fine, as long as you enjoy using her! And the overworld isn't that tough, so she could even be used in combat.
@gilangranggap830
@gilangranggap830 5 ай бұрын
Now, in version 4 they release more OP characters, lmao.... I should never spend in Genshit
@lazfratelli3740
@lazfratelli3740 Жыл бұрын
Kino.
@Malam_NightYoru
@Malam_NightYoru 11 ай бұрын
all that and keqing STILL don't has a weapon, and the replacement that they've put in her art stinks (the blue does not go well)
@Tomy_Lightning
@Tomy_Lightning Жыл бұрын
Do I regret pulling Dehya you bet do I regret having her on my account definitely not and all fixes for her are amp up the damage from her e and na, speed up coordinated attacks from her e and take the entire burst damage make it a nuke with a stance change that gives her a pyro infusion. BAM fixed dehy and basically made her an Albedo, Zhongli and Raiden fusion pyro character.
@hmmmm6857
@hmmmm6857 10 ай бұрын
Can i just say the sumeru quest was AMAZING 🙏🙏🙏 like i could go on and on about how The "Samsara of the Sabzeruz Festival" quest was mind blowing. it almost felt scary and ominous like a movie with time travel and all that, plus the emotion you develop for the characters is so intense. Nahidas character is one of the best archons, we're repeatedly shown how Nahida feels she isnt a good archon and cannot live up to the greater lord. That emotion builds up inside of you and towards the end of the quest when she hugs the greater lord goodbye, i couldnt help but cry with her. It was an emotional one for sure. Not to mention SCARAMOUUUCHEEE AAAAAAA 🛐🛐🛐. Not only did we get backstory ("the first to betray me was a god..my creator..my..mother") BUT WE GOT WANDERER TOO?!?!?! PLOT TWIST? HELLO? the quest was jaw dropping, worth all the pain and endurance of the quests in inazuma, worth unlocking all the damn sumeru desert waypoints, worth mutliple attacks from bosses idc abt. I have no idea how mihoyo plan to top Sumeru with Fontaine. So far the Fontaine map is gorgeous tho, ive unlocked it already and the swimming underwater feature is 🙏🙏🙏. Have yet to do the archon quest but i must say the hydro archon is mommy and you will see me grinding for her banner. Anyways thats all, not rly relevant to the video but yk 😭 I personally was never excited for dehya, her role in the story wasnt as important either, i only felt anything towards her when she practiced her sword and kept showing motivation, thats about it. Respectfully 😔
@woshyyyyyyyyy
@woshyyyyyyyyy 7 ай бұрын
bro my unbuilt razor can do more damage than the clips you showed
@anubisbahamut
@anubisbahamut 11 ай бұрын
i mean all this wouldn't matter if the whole community would get on their butts about buffing/balancing all thier characters for the tier that that are in allowing a 5 star like dehya to be way worse than most 4 stars is just beyond dumb and all yall are okay with staying mostly silent about it and just being hype for the next new character this includes content creators, keep giving them bad press dont let up just because a cool new character comes out, i have my ideas as to why they made her bad but ill keep them to myself.... as for the rest of you people who stopped talking about her i hope your next most wanted 5 star turns out to be trash as well.
@Popotato7777
@Popotato7777 10 ай бұрын
F
@thepeanutter9972
@thepeanutter9972 11 ай бұрын
It's cuz it's a Chinese game and she's tanned. It's not that deep.
@polarnite
@polarnite 11 ай бұрын
Lol, asian never care about color, let alone we're colored people.
@alexadamns8115
@alexadamns8115 Жыл бұрын
Baby's first gacha lmao I had tons of bad characters I liked in other gachas and nobody complained even though they're popular there's gonna be a lot more other duds to come btw
@MrFinepixa
@MrFinepixa Жыл бұрын
Probably. Its just the 1st absolute dumbsterfire weve had. But the biggest concern is that Hoyoverse refuse to touch their older characters and instead just release new stuff. It doesnt bode well for the future.
@alexadamns8115
@alexadamns8115 Жыл бұрын
@@MrFinepixa don't ever play honkai impact 3rd cause you will be disappointed in the old units
@Ari-M
@Ari-M Жыл бұрын
Not saying you're wrong about your theory but Kazuha's signature wep (the one from his storyquest) works great for kazu main dps which is really good (and also uses the shimenawa set). And also, you're forgetting the elemental reaction dmg from dehya: overloaded, melt, etc. when comparing her with albedo which doesn't produce extra dmg, since crystalize only creates shields. Overall, she's not a bad support character at all, she's just bad as a main dps or sub dps (that's where the majority of players are complaning from). Throw on her the tenacity of the milelith set, level up her elemental ability talent and you're good to go! : )
@merok4291
@merok4291 Жыл бұрын
Wdym shes not a bad supp pls tell me what supporting she does that uc ant get elsewhere and better?
@Lewa500
@Lewa500 Жыл бұрын
Bro. I didn't pull for a damn mercenary just for her to be an E-bot. Are you serious? That's a horrible design.
@merok4291
@merok4291 Жыл бұрын
@@Lewa500 Well damn i pulled for albedo cuz of his e(and cuz i think he looks cool as fuck) But compare the 2 PLSXD its day and night if ppl want an E bot get Albedo period......
@50boiledcabbagesupyourass
@50boiledcabbagesupyourass 8 ай бұрын
You mean to tell me that Mihoyo, who only makes gacha games, literally does not playtest anything and is only profit-driven? Color me shocked
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