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When a party of adventures come across a demon. Fighter: What the hell is that!. Wizard: that my friend, is a Tanar'ri. *the demon points and glares at the wizard madly* Demon: HEY!, that's OUR word you hear!

I'd like to see devils as the literal bad cops of the universe. When the gods want to help the PCs they send an angel. When they need to be smacked down they call on the devils.

I always thought of the blood war as necessary and just from the devil's perspective. I mean if the abyss was left to endlessly spawn demons which would inevitably bring an end to all things, devil's would be left in quite a pickle. Can't corrupt souls if everything is dead nah mean?

As a DM I like to have my Teiflings based of a Demon/Devil grandsire, to flavour appearance and stereotype personality. I don't want my Tieflings to be instantly recognizable, playing on the idea that they're rare, on their otherworldly and evil origin. - Beshaba; black antlers, wild white hair, red eyes, beautiful, charismatic, intelligent - Nalfeshnee; wings, snout, hooves, furry, tusks, pointed ears, mohawk, thinks it's refined and cultured - Barbazu/Bearded Devil; purple skin, green hair, barbed-snake like beard, thick tail, blood thirsty, quick to anger. I like to have the childe of Beshaba fooling NPCs into thinking their Feyfolk, and I like it when my players initially mistake a Goristro or Baphotmet Tiefling for a minotaur.

I've world-built where Chaos is a superset of all things. The sheer randomness of Chaos inevitably and spontaneously creates Order (Lawfulness), even eternal order. Amoral chaos is also the original form of chaos... which is the Far Realms of pure Chaos. From there, some beings invented concepts like right & wrong, and lawfulness, thus making all the other alignments. This small group broke away and "rose up" from the vast majority from their "abyss" of chaos and capriciousness. So effectively, demons and the Abyss is like "cosmos 1.0", the unwitting sun source of all existence. The rest of the cosmos, distinguishing itself from (or even outright opposing) the Abyss, caused the demons of the "upper" Abyss to establish a sort of identity - pure Chaotic Evil. Meanwhile, the farther down the Abyss you go (with its infinite layers), the more chaotic and the less *immoral* you get, until you're in an *amoral* proto-chaos, the original Far Realms which spawned all existence. This Far Realm is where you find alot of the mind-destroying Old Ones that warp sanity, logic and reality with their presence. It's this sort of cosmology which implies that demons are actually the unwitting border guard between existence and pure chaos. If the demons of the Abyss were ever obliterated, it would end all of reality of all the planes, as the Far Realms reclaimed its "bubble" of stable reality.

I think the Warhammer Fantasy Choas is a very good source of ideas for crazy demons :)

20th edition Vampire the Masquerade book!!!! I want it!!

The Balor in particular is one of the most underpowered monsters for its CR in the entire monster manual. By contrast, the Pit Fiend is horrifically strong. Which is a reversal from 3E, in which the balor was 2 CR higher than the PF.

Balors and archfiends should be like demigods or lesser gods. No party of adventurers should have a chance against one unless they are 20th level or higher.

I would love to see you play some sessions. I love how you interact with each other and would love to see you at the table playing, would that be a possibility for this channel?

If a demon helped the party the LG paladin will NEVER allow that.

I'm hoping I can use the idea of the Cosmic Accords and have a devil show up and basically pull the party over for unlawful summoning. I think that could be a bizarre and amazing encounter.

a mighty Devil is plotting against the party, then a Demon comes & offers them help in exchange of some tea, butter cookies & the possibility to foil the plans of a Devil.

I think it would be interesting to consider the implications of mid- to high-level characters having the capability to defeat some of the most powerful statted demons in the MM.

I was looking a lot at the Oberyth demons and my golly is the conversion Ive seen for Pale Night REDONCULOUS. Im very excited for the prospect of having to fight her

so glad you guys put this out! We're going to be starting Out of the Abyss soon and this will help with ideas. Also, less cluttered table? I always like the table mini scenes! xD

I like the idea that they are spirits and that have to take vessels. If they have their vessel long enough. Physical transformation starts happening.

When I first got into the 5E Monster Manual, I read the opening to the chapter on demons: "Demons live only to destroy, they are pure rage made manifest with no subtlety whatsoever" (paraphrasing from memory). My first thought was "WTF, what about Succubus?" Then I find out that Succubi/Incubi are no longer demons at all, they're Neutral Evil fiends who appear in both the Abyss and the Nine Hells. While this does avoid the idiocy of having "Pleasure Devils" which are a Succubus in all but name for the LE alignment, I still like it less than my preferred choice: treating the Incubus as a species of Devil, completely different from the species of Demon who is the Succubus, both of which can shapeshift into either gender, in order to seduce and enslave/consume mortals of either gender (Devils prefer "enslave" and demons "consume", although with 3E rules at least, the latter kind of includes the former). Incidentally, I recently looked at the idea of having a Balor and a Pit Fiend fight each other in the background while the heroes are doing stuff in the foreground, and it really became incredibly obvious how mis-designed the 5E Balor is. Only two attacks, while the Pit Fiend gets four, and the Pit Fiend is completely immune to fire, which comprises 2.5 out of the Balor's four attack options, most notably the automatic Fiery Body and the otherwise-devastating Death Throes. I'm not sure whether those options make the Balor deserve its CR 19 versus PCs, as much as the Pit Fiend deserves its CR 20. But it's definitely a problem that the most powerful demon is a little b**** when fighting the most powerful devil, when they should only be slightly different, and the Blood War ought to routinely put them into conflict with each other. If playing by the rules as written, you should pretty much just demote Balors, have them used as just living artillery weapons outside of the Abyss (who are probably utter cowards within it, since their main ability requires dying, and death in the Abyss is permanent for them), and have the Mariliths be running the demon armies instead.

Hi guys new to your channel. loving your content. One thing you might consider about demons, their is a demon who is the strongest of each of their namesakes you could use for instance... Maralith are strong The Maralith gives drizzt pause.

I'd love to see you guys go rehash the Out of the Abyss portion now that its been released for a while and talk about if it met your expectations as a module.

I like the idea that they see mortals as weaker smaller creatures and love to tempt them so they can (up thier mystic levels)

regarding tanar'ri, at least going by the current lore, they're a kind of demon, but not just another word for demon, sort of like how a wolf is a canine, but a dog isn't a wolf they're the dominant subspecies-type thing, so if you encounter a demon, they're probably tanar'ri (I think all of them in the MM are, except quasits) history-wise, they were created by the obyriths as slaves, but they wound up rebelling and taking over (very demon-like of them), becoming the nwe rulers of the abyss

I dm'd a solo campaign where the player's character had a very demon like attitude. Long story short he became the king of demons after two years rl.

I think i still have the really old dragon mag that has the tables to generate a cambion somewhere.

I loved the idea that Devils were archangels who were originally lawful good but because of their proximity to demons while fighting them became warped and changed with time, to eventually become lawful evil. As a result the devils made the decision that so long as demons existed who would tempt mortals with power and destroy the natural order, there had to be punishment/damnation to ensure the laws of heaven are upheld. And thus created the hells as a series of realms that would exist in the middle, between the material and the abyss. This also opens up opportunities for Demons to have beef with the Gods for reasons outside of just pure murderous malice. Because The devils came originally from the lawful gods of heaven.

You know I think it's interesting you bring up that the Yugoloths are the ones playing the Blood War but you completely neglect that Asmodeus himself could just end the Blood War but doesn't because he knows as soon as Baator is finished with the Abyss literally every other Devil will march on Nessus to usurp him. To that end the Tanar'ri are just one type of Demon. The other notable one being Obyriths. But Iggwilv lays out all 6 major types: Obryths, Tanar'ri, Loumara, The Created, Beasts, and Servitors. Though the Witch Queen herself admits other demons can exist that completely fall out of those six types simply due to the chaotic nature of the Abyss. For 5e Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes is the go to (and admittedly really only) place for knowledge on the Blood War albeit that book moreso focuses on the Infernal side of the war not the Abyssal.

"It can do things!"

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Isn't there an optional spellcasting thing where you can give monsters spells'n such?

The studio I was working for back in 2010-2013 had a medieval fantasy game on back burner. I had discussed with the program lead the necessity of implementing a swear filter with every form of Drizzt spelling imaginable included so each spelling type would get changed to random other words. Anyone who has ever been on any kind of D&D type chat knows why. ;)

Have they done a video on elder things and the Far realm entities?

Hey First of all great channel, keep up the good work! Secondly, I've been running the OotA campaign for a couple of months now (lvl 4 party that is finishing up in Graclstugh) and was wondering if you have any materials, random tables, illustrations, maps, video recordings of your playtrhoughs etc to share that might make my life easier as we go along (Neverlight, Blidgenstone etc). All the best Rauno from Estonia

Whats the name of the track, that plays at the very beginning, when you show Demon pics& Thank you.

30 level 5 PC's vs one Balor Who would win?

Can you do an episode on mundane weapons?

my favorite demon has to be the nelfanshee and the pit fiend and the baubau

I had to worse luck with demons, there was always that one roll & some one would always screw it up, unfortunately, that would always be either the Paladin or the Priest, from my experience mind you

loved this video :3

Are you going to do storm king's thunder?

Spoiler!!!!! From what I gather Drizzt is not in the book, but it is D&D after all you can put him in if you want .... Love the show guys .. I am really glad I found your channel ,great stuff .. I really like the castles that you guys use ,who makes them ???? thanx....

Can you do a yugoloth episode

Devil shows up to punish a wizard for summoning too many demons. Wizard: "Wait, I thought angels dealt with these things." Devil: "No, angels deal with devil worshippers, devils deal with demon worshippers. It works out better this way, since angels have certain moral compunctions that keep them from punishing demon worshipping scum properly." Wizard: ... "What?" Devil: "I'm going to kill you now. But I'm required by law to let you know first."

How can pruitt call Icing death and not call twinkle ;-; Twinkle needs love too

Running a game where there are 3 players level 10 and one monk level 12. I put a Balor to fight them,and guess what... He almost fucking died like a bitch! 262 hp goes down rather quickly in 5e.

pre first addition D@D had more powerful Fiend's all had mage/priest powers and abilities all fight like pardon the pun Fiend's all where badass Immortal creatures

I'm running out of the abyss as my first campaighn dming. :D not great to start with.

So cute how you two fangirl over these things :D

I was shocked to learn the KJV doesn't use the word 'demon'. King James wrote a book called "Demonology" BEFORE he created the KJV but the KJV doesn't use the word 'demon'. Wow.

Mazes and Monsters was bad and you should feel bad. Good video, though.

You guys talk way toomuch without saying anything. I would LOVE to actually hear about the demons, not why u think a balors CR isn't high enough or that his spells suck or he needs more legendary actions. I'll learn that in game. You guys are obviously very knowledgeable on this and know your stuff, and maybe it's just my preference, but I'm not learning anything except ur opinions the Mechanics of the game. Good luck with your channel

Can you stop saying "Drisst"? It's Drizzt.

5th Ed seems like it sucks.