I think the last time I've seen him legitimately frustrated by a game was with the first TMNT game for the NES.

..as a passionate gamer should when comes across a game like this😃

Honestly, his "what are you doing? run him into the statue!" and getting frustrated instead of just enjoying the shit show was more distracting than anything else.

He never seems like a fun person to play games with ever

@@ketchupcatsup753I don’t know about that but he seems to be that kinda person who interrupts a lot and that wouldn’t go down well with me 😂

The 360 is of legal age..

It's already closer to the original Genesis game than it is present day.

@@lefszycicThis is horrifying, thanks

I'm 27 and I consider the PS3/360 to be retro

It does like holy hell

Oh he's had some shining moments on Twitter lol (Hogwarts Legacy)

Mariotainakaaaa!!!!!

This has to be one of the best jokes I've heard on DF. I laughed so hard. Totally savage.

I think he said "ship out" not "sh*t out"

@@jeffchan6607 no he definitely said shit

He said SHIP though

”when they ship out this game” does not work, grammatically. The past tense of “ship” would instead be “shipped” - which he clearly didn’t say. The joke is the developers made a large BOWEL movement, hence shitting out the game

Didnt heard that Armored Core 4 was bad

I love AC4, but on PS3 it had a lot of slowdowns, lol

@@MrVoland44 I meant how sonic was bad. Armored core 4 was really fun.

@@Ice_2192 I agree. AC4 was a bad AC game, but was still a lot more fun and well put together than S06 for sure

​@clstirens that's not true at all. AC4 is awesome.

Even then lot got cut like a day and night cycle

IIRC the build of 06 wasn't even the most up to date build they had, it was just the most stable. One of the most glaring bugs is the bars for some of the gem abilities are supposed to deplete with use, but just don't... so you can break so many parts of the game half with that alone.

@@VexAcer The build rumor is just a rumor at the moment. No decisive evidence has been found. What we do know is that a theoretical switch to an earlier build couldn't have happened after TGS 2006. As for the action gauge not draining, in the lua file that contains Sonic's parameters, the values for the gauge drain use the naming format "c_gauge_[color]" when they're supposed to be just "c_[color]". Changing this allows the action gauge to drain, which seems like it'd fix the issue completely, right? Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. First of all, unlike Shadow's gauge, chaos drives and light cores give a _very_ small bonus - enough that if you drain the gauge completely, there usually aren't enough enemies to completely refill it before the next act transition. The gauge in the final game was actually intended to automatically refill, like Silver's and Sonic&Elise's gauges, but it doesn't refill properly in retail. It's anyone's guess as to whether the naming discrepancy preventing the gauge from draining at all was intentional or not, but it is clear that it wasn't supposed to be like that in the retail builds.

Weird, I didn't know he was in the game. Love his music.

​@@Spit1990 I see you

I’m even more forgiving than them. Even though it was a buggy mess I still found some enjoyment out of it and completed the game on my ps3 back in the days

@@Zenzuu you are a trooper

​@@Mastersaifernot really the game had plenty of great elements (the stellar level design, the multiple characters incorporation music etc...) which is why p06 is a masterpiece as it just made this game my favorite 3d sonic game with a few tweaks

John: Tons of great technical analysis, fun anecdotes, informed game design critiques, clever jokes, nice to listen to Marc: Absolutely dogshit at games, offers no analysis, did not say anything interesting whatsoever, constantly whining and saying the same thing over and over, annoying voice, pointless yelling, does not listen to advice, constantly talks over John Can they use a new co-host?

TAKE THIS

I find it very frustrating when people criticise the sonic franchise so much but don’t even know what they are talking about 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@sandman8920 What does that context change? In Heroes, you would only get bomb ring if you played poorly, so it was more of a punishment - bouncing your teammates against enemies was more powerful, instant and satisfying, compared to bomb ring is. It's not a matter of if they "didn't know franchise" - it's a matter of "it could've been better". Switching from Sonic's powerful near-instant homing attack, over to Tails' slow box throwing with manual stick aiming... it feels awful. You know what could've made Tails a bit better? Gadgets, like a watch that whiplashes, so he could AT LEAST have same instant gratification like homing attack does. But then again, 06 had far worse problems than this sadly.

I think the level design of the stages is great, the hub, loading times , physics and camera is trash though

Not wrong I absolutely love project 06

True. 06 had a chance to be good but it was released in barely functioning state.

The level design and art direction is a absolute joke making the controls function more like SA can only go so far when the actual level design is a vapid knockoff of SA that completely misses the mark and adds in annoyances like forced character switching that destroys flow and the still horrendous speed segments. This was the third game in a row of them not understanding what people liked about the Adventure games, outside of a full reboot and a new director it was never gong to be anything more.

I love how their embracement of the memes

NO LIE

YOU KNOW THIS

Very much so agreed! I'd still really love for John to make a technical analysis of Sonic Unleashed's graphics due to that.

The PS3 version is terrible

@@hollowowlyt Yeah it's sub-720p and hangs below 20fps in all of the night stages. I know the day ones fared a bit better but performance still ping pongs all over the place.

That game has a beautifull global illumination system. A simple remaster with the assets used in the cutscenes and path tracing would make it look better than 9 out of 10 games that will come out this decade.

@no_misaki well the ps3 version has an uncapped framerate so it tries to hit 60 and never does. It feels awful compared to the 360 version's 30 fps.

The visuals are fine (actually pretty decent for the generation). It's just everything else that makes it fall apart 😆

You are playing a game you don’t enjoy on purpose?

@@iwanttocomplain This is a piece of video game history and I want to experience it with all its flaws.

@@m00sician why don’t you play Keystone Capers?

have you ever consider to try Project 06 or Legacy of Solaris mod?

​@@fikridroidNo coz they're still stuck in 06, but now living g in their mother's basement.

Sometimes I wonder that if they had delayed the sonic boom Wii game and instead made it for the Nintendo switch during its first launch year would have been received better? You can factor in multiple things such as a new console. The fact that it was picking up steam to the point where now everyone really likes it. It would have been an extra year development and based on other games that we've seen running on it, the switch up apparently runs the crytek engine pretty well.

@@jordanwhite352 oh yeah I bet it would be way better. even if it didn't end up being good at the very least the performance would be a lot better with the extra time and maybe the switch hardware. I remember hearing the devs didn't even know they were making it for the wii u until late in development and were instead targeting consoles like the ps4 and xbox one.

It’s not ok to like this game in public even anonymously. Although about half the comments are trying to defend it without actually admitting they really like it. A few admit to liking it. I counted about 5 public confessions to liking it. Then saying, “but I know it’s bad”. Even though they don’t actually think it’s bad.

@@iwanttocomplain Novel concept here, but it's completely possible to like bad games while also being completely aware that they *are* bad.

@@Essu_ no it isn’t. If you like something then you think it is good.

​@@iwanttocomplainThat's not even remotely true haha. There's a difference between quality and preference. I hate playing first person shooters. I don't think every first person shooter is bad. How is this even a debate haha

@@Bunny-zg4hd it is a debate worth having. You are entitled to think and even say that you don’t like something. Which means that you do not think you will enjoy a game. As far as you are concerned, the game is bad, despite how well made you consider it. You might enjoy an objectively bad game like Super Mario Brothers and consider it good despite it being poorly designed and clearly bad to most people. But you are entitled to say that the game is good, despite it being a form of cruel and unusual torture. It’s purely a point of view. It should go without saying that any statement made by people is an isolated opinion. Unless you are trying to claim objectivity somehow using some kind of data. Is motocross a boring sport? To me it is. So how can I not m all honesty say that motocross is good? When I don think it’s good. I’m not criticising the organisers or the firm of the sport or quality of the broadcasting of events. It’s all high quality. But to me, motocross is just going round and round with a lot of mud involved. I don’t care about it. So I rate moto a 5/10 for a sport because I don’t care. I can’t be expected to guess how enjoyable a product is to someone who is into it. If I found Super Mario Brothers fun, I would say that I find it fun. But even though the game is bad as far as I am concerned, it’s not wrong to call the game good, despite being so difficult and frustrating to play.

Did they play the fan remake of it called P06?

@@protocetidprob not but that is way better than the og release

Its not even that bad, KZfaqrs just make it sound like that.

​@@FilmTrekk When I played it around the time it came out it was mediocre at best, even as a young Sonic fan I was relieved I hadn't paid full price cus I had rented it. Can only imagine how badly it has aged, play P06 instead brother, good excuse to get the best gaming device, a PC (unless you're not good with computers).

It's really bad not gonna lie. And I only paid 4 dollars for it years ago. The only good version is P-06. So you better play it and see how horrendous the original is in comparison. SOOO much cut content and make the every characters and levels more playable and extra fun.@@FilmTrekk

Playing it via Xenia has almost nonexistent loading times thankfully.

It's not even a glitch, I believe, there's a time limit to the Tails section of the stage.

I would say that the PS3 version is also a slightly earlier ver. than the 360 ver. as well, maybe because they only had a few months earlier build for PS3 to work off of. Its missing some small details like the gondoliers

Yeah, that's the most common rumor - if it is really the case, and I've had my doubts, it most likely occurred sometime between E3 2006 and TGS 2006.

​@@DonnyKirkMusicI believe those details were deliberately removed from the PS3 version to attempt to improve performance. The PS3 version itself does fix a number of bugs from the 360 version, mostly minor, but didn't add much additional polish outside of that.

I can believe it with how rushed it was halfway through after Naka left sega and team got split in half because of the wii

This makes very little sense from a development point of view. Until weeks before shipping, games can be very broken, so reverting to an older version wouldn't have been something they'd even consider.

Yea it definitely was

Also a high liklihood that the deadline was to coincide with Sonic's fake birthday anniversary lol

It was a meme back in the ps3 days

Chad warden baby

Uh

turns out the ankle wouldn't be the most broken thing you'd deal with after you got your hands on that game. also sonic and the human girl falling in love is _bad_ in so many ways...

yes it is

One of the PS3 videogames of all time

If you guys wanna see how truly broken it is, try speedrunning it lmao @@rodrolliv

I just hate that there was no Trophies and loading was longer and Cutscenes wasn't 60fps like my 360 experience

yeah, at least Mephiles voice acting was excellent though, for my taste

in equivalent situations with sustained heavy drops, 360's Unleashed maneged to get an advantage or 2 or 3 frames, ofc in situations where the game ran bellow 30fps

After the slim was introduced the ps3 install base skyrocketed and it became the lead platform for a lot of multi plat development (hence the performance improvement)

@@eponymous7910 i recall LA Noire having PS3 as main platform, also Battlefield 3 and 4.

@@nunosa528 PS4 was ther main platform for GTA 4 too but it had vsync while X360 had tearing.

I dunno if John will read this, but the story of Sonic 06 is that basically the game was slated to come out on 360, PS3, PC and Wii (when nobody knew what it was except codename "Revolution"). Sega was banking on Revolution being comparable to 360 and PS3, much like Gamecube was to PS2 and Xbox. Sonic Team was the first third-party developer to get Wii devkits, and when they saw what the hardware was actually capable of, knew that a port would be impossible. Sonic 06's original director, Yojiro Ogawa, split the team in half. One half would stay and finish Sonic 06, and the other half, his half, would spin off and come up with a new game just for the Wii (Secret Rings). Shun Nakamura would take over as director for Sonic 06 in Ogawa's absence. Sega did not allocate any additional time or resources to either project. They were to make two games with one budget. For Sonic 06, an ambitious demonstration of new technology, it was the kiss of death. Features were slashed and burned -- datamining has uncovered huge DLC plans that never came to fruition, online multiplayer, a separate co-op campaign, leaderboards, time trial ghost sharing... all of it cut, cut, cut. Severely understaffed, the game devolved into a technical disaster and there was no time to get it into an acceptable state. A lot of Japanese developers struggled to transition to the 360 generation, and that was exacerbated here. Sega dumped it out anyway, as they tended to do back then. In retrospect, looking back at Secret Rings in particular, it's easy to see just how much they stretched, and stretched, and stretched. There's maybe 45 minutes of content in Secret Rings, and they pad it out to last 7-10 hours. Ogawa basically disappeared after that; he hasn't been credited in anything more than "Special Thanks" in any game since 2007. His Secret Rings team eventually made Sonic Colors, which was rolled back into the main Sonic Team for Sonic Generations. Morio Kishimoto, the lead game designer of Secret Rings, has been the main director of most Sonic games since then.

He redeemed himself during the Silver boss fight, imo.

Yeah same. So weird

@@AstralPhnx so bizarre. It was like someone got hit by something or really scared. Wtf. I even stopped watching

I think it was Mark’s mic. His expression seemed to react to it. His face just dropped and John looked at his speaker like “wtf?!”. I actually nearly turned it off too - so strange.

Now I gotta go watch it again. It's been a while