New Holland C232 Electrical Nightmare... Can I Fix It?

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Andy's skid steer has more than a mouse issue...
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0:00 New Holland C232
4:37 Will it run?
6:42 Unloading the skid steer
9:02 The wiring mess
14:35 The reason it won't run
16:32 Cleaning up the harness
20:59 The best we can do
23:30 Will it run now?
33:04 New Holland engineering
36:12 Andy's test drive
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@lasersights 11 ай бұрын

To the flatbed operator.... snatch blocks are your friend... double up the winch line. Day 1 of training

@zukowski2023 11 ай бұрын

Day two of training, dish soap on metal decks make sliding rubber tracks "way easier"! Nylon recovery skates make loading and unloading also "way easier"!

@theglitch99 11 ай бұрын

Also, use the bed to slide and push and pull load as well.

@farmerbill6855 11 ай бұрын

@@zukowski2023 wd40 works in a pinch.

@wobblysauce 11 ай бұрын

As do a handful of rocks…

@jaydunbar7538 11 ай бұрын

@@zukowski2023I carry dish soap in my semi for that reason, works great on things like fifth wheel slides. Lubes it up so you can move it and it removes itself the next time you drive through rain so it’s not sitting around collecting dust like grease.

@Kowyn 11 ай бұрын

Fixing wiring is hard enough but dealing with another persons mess is a whole nother level of hell, great job on the repair, must have felt great when it fired up the first time.

@Jerroh6 11 ай бұрын

I had gained the nickname of "The Pitbull" at work because I would not let go of a project until it was done. But I bow down to you Sir because your tenacity is far greater than mine. That wiring was a nightmare to look at and you managed to track everything down and fix it. Amazing job and a fantastic vid.

@bobsch-gd6ze 11 ай бұрын

I blame the bean counters first and the engineers second Rich. But, you guys Scored on this machine for sure.

@WillBilly. 11 ай бұрын

I gust realized i know a new Holland bean counter 💀

@bobsch-gd6ze 11 ай бұрын

@@WillBilly. is he Dutch too ?

@wobblysauce 11 ай бұрын

… they could have saved even more on wiring if they removed half of it, it is like they had a quota deal on how much to use.

@WillBilly. 11 ай бұрын

@@bobsch-gd6ze no, he just just got a really nice internship with them in college and stayed there

@Joe-hz1nw 10 ай бұрын

You should blame the environmentalists and the average customer who tend to lean towards buy the cheapest equipment possible.

@tda2806 11 ай бұрын

A sewing seem ripper makes an excellent tool for removing tape from a loom without damaging wires.

@Morpheen999 11 ай бұрын

Good example of why keeping your equipment clean, helps it last longer

@jacknimble1 11 ай бұрын

And on top of the rodent situation. Keeping baited traps in anything that sits for more than a week at a time is so important. Just did everything in my driveway and yard this past week again.

@DHMFSSIHTA 11 ай бұрын

Glue lined heat shrink is your friend. It has a thermal glue that melts to the wire and completely seals out oil and water.

@fbm314 11 ай бұрын

Came here to say the same , makes for a nice weather tight connection.

@hammyh1165 10 ай бұрын

I have butt connectors that come with glue lined shrink on them , absolutely fantastic to use.

@kinecty111 11 ай бұрын

That new Holland machine is identical in every way to the case machines in our fleet. Powertrain, chassis, instruments and all. No key switch you just sit on the seat and it powers up, hit the power button, start button and then the operate button to release the park brake. To shutoff hit the power button again. Do not hit the start button by accident you'll ruin the starter and the flywheel. Sigh. No seatbelt interlock, although on ours there's a hydraulic interlock for the door and draw bar being closed and down.

@bat__bat 10 ай бұрын

Anything with Andy and I'm grateful! Love you down-to-earth guys. Andy's funny as a mf! 🤣Thank goodness for the work Tewsley does.

@minnesotatomcat 11 ай бұрын

I used to work as a tester in the Case ih assembly plant that built the big patriot sprayers and floater trucks. We used to have wiring issues with brand new machines trying to start them for the first time and trying to diagnose some of it was a nightmare. Pins in the wrong spot in plugs, right from the vendor. Wires that have a pin and are in the right spot but the coating was never stripped and the pin would just be crimped onto the coating cause somebody wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care. Fun stuff

@theglitch99 11 ай бұрын

Ppl like him keep this world moving! The ability to understand and diagnose difficult situations is impressive!

@NoWr2Run 11 ай бұрын

VERY IMPRESSIVE.

@Keirrin79 11 ай бұрын

Next time, try some soapy water under the tracks to get it on and off the truck. I've seen it done before and it works great. Just dish washing liquid and some water in a spray bottle

@KarasCyborg 11 ай бұрын

Love the improvised unorthodox solutions. @29:00 I'm glad you didn't roll your tracks and crush your phone.

@nathanbrickles6387 11 ай бұрын

After watching Ron Pratt with Midwest Truck youtube channel and then paying more attention to local tow truck drivers I am surprised to have not seen even the glimpse of a dawn dishwashing liquid bottle somewhere during the towing sequence

@mrtjbiga1784 11 ай бұрын

This video feels like a reminder, to start with the simplest thing first. When trying to fix anything

@ram_diesel_power6039 11 ай бұрын

I use double walled clear heat shrink. They have extra glue and are clear so you can see if there is corrosion.

@ryanroberts1104 11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the lawnmower train I had to make to get my truck out of my own muddy yard. Managed to get 3 riders going with the safety's bypassed, each one tied to the one behind it. Doesn't seem that hard until you actually try and do it! Stupid 2wd pickup gets stuck on flat grass if I just whisper "moisture".

@seggonscontractors588 11 ай бұрын

Best way to spend and rainy Sunday afternoon in England 💪 watching some middle-aged blokes mess around with heavey machinery just because 🤷‍♂️😂 love the content guys! Keep up the good work 👌👌👌

@ionstorm66 11 ай бұрын

A relay test kit is a must these days. Lets you test in circuit, so you can test the relay and the wiring.

@willtricks9432 11 ай бұрын

I have an early 70's Bobcat with a Deutz diesel key to start and a key to stop, all the wiring you need.

@Porty1119 11 ай бұрын

And a Deutz! If there's a better engine for small, simple equipment, I haven't found it yet. Honorable mention to Kubota.

@user-wm9pj2xj7z 11 ай бұрын

When the Edison motors truck is finished you should talk to the guys about checking out that truck it’s backyard built and Canadian! Hope we can get your thought on it

@christophniggli4750 11 ай бұрын

That would be sweet

@larrydavidson3402 11 ай бұрын

Pretty darn impressed with your diagnostics on this machine Rich. Not everyone is capable of doing this without a set of schematics of the wiring.

@1one3_Racing 11 ай бұрын

Such a big machine for such a little bucket! In Australia every machine comes with no bucket and you buy an aftermarket 4 in 1 bucket. You CAN spec a factory bucket but they would probably have to order it in for you!

@Sugarkryptonite 10 ай бұрын

We had a Case TV380 which is the same machine but with eletronic joysticks instead of the regular sticks like you see on this NH. We actually took the harness that went under the engine and chopped it in half, and re-routed it on top of the motor, spliced every wire back together. Completely idiotic design by CNH. Oh, and then one day the machine went crazy and started moving on its own with the operator inside, almost hit the side of a house we were working at. $5000 later at the local Case dealership and 4 months and it came back working with a new ECU. Got rid of that thing as fast as possible.

@Watchyn_Yarwood 11 ай бұрын

I found those solid metal butt connectors a few years ago and never use anything else now. Glad to see you using them as well.

@ronlind1757 11 ай бұрын

New Holland dealer here in Midwest said... some years back, most of the laid off Ford engineers went over to New Holland... 😂😂🤣

@andrewmccaskill2845 11 ай бұрын

24:50 another perfectly priceless face that deserved to be put on a shirt and sold.

@WBOS72 11 ай бұрын

Amazing job Rich. I love how take the simple approach to wiring, pulling as much as you can, cleaning it up, testing and reinstalling. Great job.

@noberet 11 ай бұрын

Cool project! Thanks Rich!

@trevormansfield6495 11 ай бұрын

I really admire your perseverance with this!!!

@barnhouseinc 11 ай бұрын

This is so good... Skid steers are always a pain to work on XD

@minnesotatomcat 11 ай бұрын

There is no more abused and neglected machines than skid loaders. People will service and clean every other piece of equipment but skids just get beat on and neglected until they won’t run anymore and they’re so damn dirty that nobody wants to work on them.

@Maseraux 11 ай бұрын

The tool in the middle of those blue handled dikes are FOR insulated terminals. cutter>ins. Connector> Bare connector

@Trydntru 11 ай бұрын

I wish you'd come straighten out my wiring on my '85 bronco. I did learn from your video. One of my favorite channels!

@The-Deadbolt-Deputy 11 ай бұрын

I love watching you troubleshoot Rich ! You are dam good at it. I enjoyed this. Thanks Rich

@alphonsotate2982 11 ай бұрын

Under the seat there are two valves you can turn that allow the tracks to roll freely called wrenching valves I have them on my 1980 rubber tire New Holland loader the new track ones should have them also😀

@CDR4132 10 ай бұрын

They dont

@Rokonroller 11 ай бұрын

Got one, no key, just code if you want to use it. Left pillar mostly functions. Right side ignition & brakes. Like you say, when the entire electrical harness is in disarray, start removing tape…never underestimate the importance of the secondary ground at the battery that actually grounds the ignition switch. When it doesn’t make good connection it pops the ignition fuse. Excellent job bud!👊

@westonwaters7984 11 ай бұрын

got one of these brand new and 83 hours later complete harness and 8 months in shop. immediately traded

@Slman51 11 ай бұрын

Lots and lots of patience! !!

@GIGABACHI 10 ай бұрын

Another fine opportunity to replicate the Burning Man Festival but in a Canadian Farm ! Douse that thing on gasoline and light it up on 🔥 ! What a nightmare ! The proverbial Rats Nest ! 🤦‍♂️💀👎 Well done, Rich ! Another victory for Team Boss ! 👏

@builtbyme 11 ай бұрын

The feeling of that engine starting. Wiring is a different ballgame that people hate. I dont mind it, especially when it works. Nice job as usual.

@liftbikerun 11 ай бұрын

Maybe this was less impressive than I think it was, but this was awesome. I'm pretty handy and I can't imagine having figured that out. Good job!

@bobcatmike9285 11 ай бұрын

I deal with a lot of rotten electrical issues in brand new machines because they sit in water and completely burred in mud

@NoWr2Run 11 ай бұрын

I HOPE YOU GET PAID VERY WELL, SIR.

@franciscomory5104 11 ай бұрын

Nice work

@TheBrandonbmw 10 ай бұрын

Rich , if you push the power button the column when it’s running it should turn it off , it’s the same as the case we use all the time

@lukejaffe2533 11 ай бұрын

The insulted crimp connectors should be crimped with the rounded crimper next to the pointed one so it doesn’t pierce the insulation

@toomanyhobbies2011 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for "a kick in the head will just make them smarter". What a nice way to say someone is brain dead, which is a nice way to call someone moronic. I went to college to design better cars. Turns out the engineers design things "poorly" to keep owners from working on their vehicles, and making big bucks from maintenance contracts and dealer mechanics. That harness under the drivetrain was a great example of this. Did a contract with a "vertical transportation" company whose engineers took great pains to ensure their equipment was easy to work on. Most of the engineers had be technicians before getting their educations, so they knew the right way to design equipment.

@randallyarborough7923 11 ай бұрын

Very nice job. That is tedious work and easy to make a mistake. Great video

@minnesotatomcat 11 ай бұрын

I wish everyone would just go to deutsch connectors. They’re so nice to work with 👍

@Jacob-qz2mo 11 ай бұрын

Love the perseverance mate, CNH track loaders and Skid-steers can be a wiring nightmare. Just FYI if you haven’t already worked it out, the big 60amp fuse is main voltage supply for the glow plugs only. The heavy sealed relay that was close by in the dirt is the glow plug relay. The relay base that you found the spread spade in, that’s located in the back of the cab is for the condenser fan. Your model didn’t have HVAC so not used. There is usually a bullet style ignition back feed diod taped to the harness on the LH side of the chassis. Usually corrodes and give’s grief. Also on some of the models with that style harness they used to hide 3x 3amp earth fuses for the relays in a wether pack plug that looked like a blanking plug, back LH side of the chassis just down from the hyd filter. Good luck with the machine 👍👍

@Zzus321 11 ай бұрын

Should have put a block and tackle on the skid steer and doubled the winchs power

@DavidRoper-zf1ul 11 ай бұрын

you knocked that ball out of the ball park, that was wicked ! well done !

@DGHD 11 ай бұрын

thanks!

@Eremon1 11 ай бұрын

Wiring sucks to being with. Somebody else's wiring is a whole level down on the poop depth meter. Still have nightmares about chasing trailer wiring demons myself. Some folks ideas of "repair" are much different from mine. 😅

@chrishastings2665 11 ай бұрын

I repair ATVs and sleds, but what you did this episode is one of the most gratifying things I do. As frustrating as it can be. Lol

@Kersean 11 ай бұрын

I love the projects on DGHD

@Slipprymongoose 10 ай бұрын

God see I would see that mess and freak out but seeing you do it didn’t seem so bad and in the end it’s pretty much factory and looks correct.

@n5407c 11 ай бұрын

best use yet for vinyl siding

@tjpetersen9535 11 ай бұрын

Got one of those at work. I think ours is newer with even more electronic controls. No key on ours but the power button is the equivalent of turning they key to the run position.

@scrotiemcboogerballs1981 11 ай бұрын

Great video thanks for sharing

@neilrensen8950 10 ай бұрын

It’s not a bad machine, well worth the trouble. The previous version had serious track drive problems, but not this one. That wiring mess would scare me… you’re a braver man than me!

@scowell 11 ай бұрын

The big thing I got was... patience. I'd a been ready to chuck it soon enough... you da man.

@alexaprelude 11 ай бұрын

Yours just a genius!!! Wish got someone like you around here 😢😢😢

@NoWr2Run 11 ай бұрын

Ya, I got something out of this vid. YOU'RE AMAZING & I FEEL LIKE A TOTAL LOSER. I can't imagine the thinking & time involved in fixing that FREAKIN MESS, WOW. Plus you're so calm & you're so positive on everything. I wish I can be that way in fixing things but I'm always negative, thinking I SCREWED UP. I HAVE TOO CHANGE MY WAY OF THINKING, T.Y., LESSON LEARNED.

@DGHD 11 ай бұрын

just do one thing at a time. block out everything else

@NoWr2Run 11 ай бұрын

@@DGHD I have a power steering pump, water pump, thermo. & front struts to put on my Grand Prix shortly. I'll take your advice & remember how you tackle things, ONE AT A TIME. T.Y. SO MUCH DGHD. You know I think it comes from my Father, he always swore, bitched & complained when he had too do something he didn't want too do. ALWAYS FREAKIN NEGATIVE, ALWAYS. He bitched at me because I ALWAYS WANTED THINGS DONE THE RIGHT WAY. HE WAS RIP, TEAR, BUST SHIT & JUST MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. HELL HE'S STILL THAT WAY AT 80 YEARS OLD, LMAO. WE DON'T WORK WELL TOGETHER, AT ALL. THANKS AGAIN, SIR.

@whiskeyinthejar24 11 ай бұрын

Glue lined heatshrink is much better for sealing joints from water ingress. You will also get good results using a variable temp heat gun instead of commonly using a gas torch for heatshrink in general. That way you can heat it evenly without burning it. When getting those bare brass spade crimps, make sure they are good quality, I'm not sure if utilux is available in the Americas, that's the go to here. The ones i got with a fuse box online were very flimsy. When using crimps you haven't used befire, particularly bigger ones, get extras and practice, including destructive testing. A common issue here in Australia is places sell automotive cable in AWG sizing, but lugs and hex crimpers are in mm2 as you would find in power cabling for buildings etc. I've seen people say its ok to use 4awg in a 25mm2 lug. I tried one, couldn't pull the cable out with pliers, but it in half, no cold weld, it came out. With thermo cycling and vibration, that might have lasted a week, a year, no idea, but it wasn't correct.

@jtgrec3179 11 ай бұрын

Every time you get something to run, your reactions make me think of Tom Hanks starting a fire for the first time in Cast Away😂

@eoinbutler7829 10 ай бұрын

That relay not coming on is a common fault with them Dash pieces giving up. Dash in them control alot of different pieces fairly common for them to just randomly give up with out warning. New ones have to be configured to the machine settings also. And you are correct in saying wiring is shite in them and there was a upgrade to move the location of the fuse boxs.

@MatthewJRedmond 10 ай бұрын

And all that crap in the bottom is why I believe manufacturers need to make skidsteers like dozers in that they have full length belly pans so you can open it to work on and clean out. Also yes from what I've seen Case/New Holland skidsteers are known for wiring issues.

@rickanderson4459 10 ай бұрын

But you have patience of Jobe to figure that wiring debacle out. Nice!!!

@randomname4726 11 ай бұрын

Bad wiring is painful. Great job.

@drivewayworkz 11 ай бұрын

I feel the pain, case is the same machine just painted a different power tan yellow, we just ended up changing the harnesses, ended up being cheaper for the customer.

@jefferyholcombe5189 11 ай бұрын

Have an uncle that worked as an executive on the board of Kubota and they had wiring set up similar as what is on that Skid stir you have and they did it because there was some prototype's that could be remotely controlled by a radio controlled interface that would allow the operator to be away from the machine while they operated it on an extreme grade or situation where the operator would not be safe in the cab of the vehicle but could be close to the machine while it is operated! By the way this was back in the 1990's time frame!

@barntech2291 11 ай бұрын

Good job! Always hard to follow behind someone who hacked things up. You have to fix everything they butchered before you fix the real problem.

@brahmvandop100 11 ай бұрын

As a former Case mechanic fixing electrical problems on those skidsteers showed which mechanics had perseverance.

@DGHD 11 ай бұрын

I've heard that a lot. Kevin warned me as he had experience

@Celician83 11 ай бұрын

My old boss had a late 80's small wheeled Bobcat that the wiring had caught fire on shortly after he got it, still uses it to this day after he did away with everything except the necessities for it to run. No gauges, no safeties, just glow plugs, fuel pump, fan, and ignition switch. Just can't use it anywhere where OSHA shows up 😉

@donalddarbonne779 11 ай бұрын

You are braver than me. I would be starting from scratch on the wiring.

@PatFarrellKTM 11 ай бұрын

Great video. Too many technicians are terrified of wiring looms, so maybe this will help them learn.

@Look_What_You_Did 11 ай бұрын

Why?

@shaung638 11 ай бұрын

I would say that has much more to do with labor rates and reliability. New harness has much less chance of coming apart right after the repair.

@stevemerrick102 11 ай бұрын

well im impressed with your wiring skills and i will not be buying a new holland , !!!! thanks for all your video,s very entertaining with whatever you put your mind too ,

@austinseubert6047 10 ай бұрын

No sure if anyone mentioned it but when u sit in the seat that only wakes the dash up u have to hit the power button for it to truly power everything up. Then to turn unit off simply hit the power button again

@gchris1642 11 ай бұрын

What I learned from the video, any electrical issues in a New Holland: Rip out all the wires and start from scratch

@DGHD 11 ай бұрын

Nailed it. Lots of forums with people that have similar issues and no solutions. Couple of them saying they just sold the machine

@CDR4132 10 ай бұрын

I’m sure you figured it out but that arm on the injection pump you had apart is actually the cold start advance the fuel shut off is the on the top side of the pump.

@northeasterndirtandpropert7974 11 ай бұрын

I never liked being beaten by the machine.It was always a great feeling to overcome on a job like this where someone else walked away.Tradesman are not at all created equal.This is a good example,nice work.

@williamsmith286 11 ай бұрын

Got a simular situation with a 2000 E-250 wheelchair van. Disabled Vet got a so called good deal, just hoping to get the rest of it working....

@mattharrell4 11 ай бұрын

I don’t think there’s anything Rich can’t fix or build. If the apocalypse hit’s he’ll just say “here we go” with a grin and carry on.

@christopherwebber1104 11 ай бұрын

Wire toners work well to but they usually have to be done on open circuits

@lamachine001 11 ай бұрын

Cnh skid steer electrical is a nightmare. Found one time on a case the ground for the relay are fused. The relay is inside the cab and those fuse are in the engine bay.

@dcrog69 11 ай бұрын

I like those wire connectors, going to have to get some . I always rip the waterproof ones and dabbing it with liquid electrical tape then end up getting liquid electrical tape everywhere.

@madrew2003 11 ай бұрын

Andy, Kevin. You find the funniest sidekicks. lol

@SoupyOatmeal 11 ай бұрын

Just watching you work and fix the unfixable makes for a great video as far as I am concerned.I really thought you wrer going to put a cover plate on the bottom to improve the machine.

@ohnoitisnt 11 ай бұрын

That equipment load just kept getting better haha Always a laugh and the chain hook joke... And the only issue was a headful of gravel

@hansfossholt1016 11 ай бұрын

No smoke, no fire!

@Roca89 11 ай бұрын

nothing more fullfilling than getting something running when you know the previous guy/s couldn't. cocaine for mechanics

@toddmccarter45 11 ай бұрын

28:10 this seems like an overly complicated start procedure

@andrewfreer5797 11 ай бұрын

Cat did the same on the early machine ecus were under your feet

@LongPeter 11 ай бұрын

This is what the afterlife is going to be like for Rich, whether he's been good or bad.

@_Otaku-kt8be 11 ай бұрын

Not all heat shrink is created equal if you want to keep moisture out use MSD Heat shrink with glue inside of it.

@ronaldcoleman2326 11 ай бұрын

it doesnt take much in the way of parts replacement for a poorly maintained skid steer to cost more than its worth. They are handy machines but you got to stay on top of every function or you end up with a pyle of scrap PDQ. Dont ask me how I know this. And I agree with lasersights... all tow trucks should have a few snatch blocks on them.