4k is achievable but it will cost more, expect the ps6 to be $600 for the specs it's offering, unless it uses RDNA 2 and zen 3 which is likely since it will keep costs down, but with RDNA 3, well the ps5 pro will cost $600, Sony would want to make more of a profit

@@AssassinIsAfk It is, but seems to be at the cost of framerate. I'm still happy with 1080p, but I've got old eyes :D

Ps5 allready has the only native 8k game anyway

​@@Norgatrona yes fake upscaled 8k lol keep dreaming Sony fanboy

@@legros731pretty sure they put it out purely to avoid false advertisement claims.

Yep, this is how I feel too. We should be looking at 60fps minimum at this stage.

I'll never forget Naughty Dog employees being interviewed or cited in articles talking about how amazing 60 fps was for The Last of Us Remastered Then they got to Uncharted 4, decided on fidelity over framerate (and we didn't even get fidelity, that motion blur made everything look like a Bigfoot sighting video!), and started backpedalling on everything they'd said when trying to sell copies of TLOUR.

Yeah, seems every generation since the 360 & PS3 (HD Era) we've had a performance reset in favour of pushing out visuals. I'm positive come a PS6 we'll be seeing 30fps titles still. 4K seemed so impossible of a target this time over and considering most games never run native 3840 x 2160p that's pretty telling. I've noticed they'll always hype up new resolutions to fit with new TV standards but decided it'd be better to half the framerate every TV and monitor after 07' had. This stuffs been going on for well over a decade now, yet most preHD stuff was always shooting for 60fps or 50fps to fit with SDR standards more often than not, there was some like Sunshine and N64 titles which had fps issues but the large majority of titles ran at the TV's native refresh rate. They're really being disingenuous to print 8K on the ps5's box. I think if you're spending near half a grand on a gaming set up with no games the least you could ask for is a framerate target that's the same speed as the TV output standard. If we where ever going to have native 60fps the general consumers are gonna have to show via sales that really matters. Not enthusiasts or long time gamers who've got a bit of everything. We're a minority. I doubt Starfields gonna have an issue shifting units despite it being locked down to half the standards speed. It sucks to see, I shouldn't need to rely on my pc to clutch in for a native 60fps to match a 60hrz display.

​@@tog2842nope, we should be looking at stabilizing and better upscaling on console. 30/40 fps is more than sufficient for most games, as long as the controller latency is low enough.

​@@Cogglesz Cyberpunk was a literal scam and yet it made 800 million USD sales in it's first days. The truth is NOBODY cares about performance, quality and the gaming medium lmao. It's dead as a hobby. Now you can pay and consoom or just not play games and move on with your life. Starfield will probably be a homerun in term of sales and profits and have the same quality and polish as Fallout 76.

You mean reprojection. The only dev that figured it out is Vertical Robot with Red Matter 2 running at full native res 120 fps native and there's only 2 people in that studio which is nothing short of incredible. S&S Retribution is another good one but those games are pretty rare

It would be cool for the psvr 2 to have the ability to have a quality and performance mode. Like say 90fps is quality mode where 120fps is the performance.

@@mustang750r I think Song in the Smoke has that. I wish more devs did that

@@mustang750rthe best argument is not having to choose between performance or fidelity

Exactly ☮️🙂💟

Stop your lies kid

Cod and overwatch run at 4k 60, or 1140p 120. So.....8k 30 would be amazing with the new unreal 5 games coming out.

sadly, a lot of people just see the 4k 120fps on the ps5 box and assume thats how every game is going to run, so yeah....your be surprised the amout of people that has no idea theyre playing some ps5 games in 720p/1080p/1440p not the advertised 4k

Yeah, if I was to get a pro, which I probably will, my whole focus will be more stable frame rates for 60 and 120 FPS. I know it's due mostly to these leaks but for DF to address the question of if we need this for 8K when we really need this for better 60 and 120 FPS feels like they haven't been paying attention to their own analysis videos.

They won't - it's a joke especially since detail and fps are much more important than resolution. A game with high settings maxed out at 1440p looks and runs better than a game at 4k with medium settings. Plus the TV upscales and adds resolution (if it's a Sony) so there's no point in running native 4k.

Poorly optimized games will never run better without patches or a complete ground up remake. A 4090 gets the same fps in games as a rx 480. Nothing will save those games besides competent devs and having higher ups/publishers stop counting the pennies

Most of these games not hitting 60fps is because of being badly optimized.

​@@BraddahSpliffThat's exactly what they said

​@@harrasikaDid you know that games run poorly when they aren't optimized correctly ? I think this is the responsibility of the devs , I can't believe nobody is pointing this out!

I don't think anything justifies a mid-gen refresh. The PS5 and Xbox Series X were not underpowered consoles when they hit the market in 2020. This is not a situation like we had with the PS4 and Xbox One.

Yep that's the perfect use case! Can definitely tell there's room fot more resolution/supersampling and native 90fps would also be great

It would be awesome for VR headsets to also have the option of a performance and quality mode. Like say 90fps is quality mode and 120fps is the performance.

You really think a pro version will just straight up double the performance of current consoles? Most games are 30 fps capped with really low resolutions

​@@samgoff5289 are they? Can't say I've noticed too many 30fps capped games. Especially ones under 4k. I had assumed they were few and far between but I could be wrong..

GT7 in VR is honestly the whole reason I bought the PSVR 2 and I haven’t been disappointed. I’ll always take a bump in performance and reduced pop in though.

THEY BROKE NEW GROUND!!

Never had a power brick. That's Microsoft stuff

@@taureanwilliams2900 r/woooooosh exactly

internet cookie! i bet the 8k power brick can upscale to 16K too! dont ask! i also have sources working at some unnamed server centre!

​@@dookie_12I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!

They're pushing brand new tech and they're not a huge studio. UE5 stuff will get better over time as Epic improves the features on the back end and devs figure out best practices and optimizations too. And I don't think it's so much "skipping over" the optimizations as it is either designing the game with the intention of users upscaling so they could include the technologies they wanted to (which is what they said they did), or just not having the time and money to spend on deep optimization... Which is very difficult and very expensive. There are only so many work hours that devs can put into a game, so if they can finish content and fix bugs at the cost of you have to upscale a little... That's a valid choice to make. Would you rather them cut content? Or have more bugs? Something has to give. They can't just spend unlimited time and money making games. It's just another tool. I don't remember people complaining like this back when dynamic resolution scaling came out. I don't see how this is different apart from being even harder to notice.

DLSS is dumpsterfire if were being honest. Why not just use TAA which is still currently the best AA

@@CheckmateStallioN that is just not true.This channel has explored exactly that concept and showed very well that DLSS quality at 4k trades blows with native 4k TAA. They each have advantages and disadvantages but are broadly comparable in image quality in most cases. Now you take a game you can only run at 1080p natively, compare TAA to DLSS on a 4k screen and tell me which looks batter. You're lying to yourself if you say TAA.

@@TheDarksideFNothing i played many games with DLSS and saw a ton of shimmer. Doom Eternal is an absolute mess in DLSS. Never saw any artifacting using TAA. No wonder why DLSS doesn't come with a performance cost. As a tradeoff it introduces artifacting lowering the image quality by a wide margin. Something's gotta give. You can't expect to have no performance cost with a great IQ all things being equal

Tekken 8 beta did not even allowed to turn off the upscaling, crazy times.

Agreed

I also have a high-end PC and PS5 and I don’t want to play anything at 60fps. I’m always really irritated when there’s a good PS5 exclusive game that I’m forced to play at 60. I spend 98% of my time playing on the RTX at 2160p at 100+fps.

I don't even need a full-blown fidelity mode, just a stable 60 fps at 1080-1440p is enough for me. Right now we're having games that struggle to get a stable 60 at 720p which is ludicrous. It's not even the console's fault, it's just a case of developer ambition not being matched by optimization, but the cause is irrelevant at the end of the day, if the reality is that brute-forcing performance is the only way.

I want PSVR2 games in 90 or 120fps. Too many VR games run at 60fps

I see you are a man of culture as well. Who needs xbox when you have pc, right?

We barely have any games that even can use 8K 120fps!

​@@pacomatic9833Not to mention the PS5 and XSX cannot display 8K above 60hz anyways lol

@@RonnieDeuce87 Nor can an RTX 4090.

It's also unachievable at the moment, especially on a $500 console. Hell, I doubt that the flagship RDNA4 GPU next gen could even manage it and that will likely cost upwards of $1000.

Fair call. They've advertised it. It's a class action just waiting to happen.

And it's a feature their bluetooth headphones have included in their mobile app for ages.

I believe Xbox One also had surround sound.

I have a PS5. What was the tech supposed to achieve? I never heard of that. No pun intended.

​@pyrykaksonen698 Yeah I have the Series X and PS5, the Xbox does have surround sound support.

I really wanted to use that, I feel like when I'm using the 3D audio things get a bit too low and audio also seems to be coming from a lower source and the pre-confings don't really fix it to me.

The dualsense feels so nice in the hands

Still 70 euros in the Netherlands or I didn't look hard enough. But I got the controller already.

Not going to waste money on anything else than a 4K120 QLED TV.

@@cezarstefanseghjucan its possible to have both

@101phil101 It is possible, but not worthwhile. CRT never looked sharp enough, while being prone to burn-in and using a lot of Watts. There is a reason why the industry moved on.

Also , CRT's are starting to die due to age.

I have a good Dell P992 CRT. It doesn’t hold a candle to my Asus PG32UQX. Native 4K at 144hz and real HDR looks amazing. The clarity and visual presentation is far beyond my P992. The motion clarity is the only thing my CRT has going for it, and sadly that isn’t enough in comparison. Even playing retro games on my PG32UQX upscaled to 4k look amazing. Ofcourse I wouldn’t recommend doing this on anything less than a 7900xtx, 4080, or 4090.

Apart from the knowledge and technical knowhow, you just feel that a large portion of why it works and it’s so much fun is down to how lovely, and likeable the presenters are eh.😊

@@tetsuoshima7385 oh you are totally right, they just have this vibe with each other that’s amazing

It really is a bespoke tech channel.

Me too, I work have credit and would certainly trade in my PS5 towards a PS5 Pro.

+1

Sony hopefully uses its resources to focus on 4k and ignore the 8k stuff, unless they’re thinking is to use 8k to compress to 4k

It could do 4k 60fps however the dissapointing thing is it won't be native 4k 60fps, the hardware isn't going to be that powerful

​@@AssassinIsAfkWreckfest is native 4k/60 on ps5.... so?

@@Wiiillllson151 wreckfest is not a demanding game, a game like call of duty isn't native 4k, my point is the ps5 hardwhere is not capable of being native 4k on all games, the ps5 pro will be more capable but still not capable on every single game, honestly a ,3080 struggles to play all games on 4k resolution

​@@Wiiillllson151static 4k native 60fps with high/ ultra in current AAA games will never happen.

Hate to break it to you but it will never happen maybe 1080p 60fps instead of 720p in ff16 and remnant 2

I like the idea of 4GB of DDR4. The current PS5 ships with only 512MB of DDR4. I believe it was the channel redgamingtech that has suggested a PS5 Pro could be using DDR5 Memory for OS.

​@@mustang750rddr5 is expensive as fuck it's essential a $700 upgrade on pc, for the motherboard, CPU and ram, it won't have ddr5 support unless it doubles in price

Hmm!!....The main issue then would be the overall price of the PS5 Pro. Current rumours have the RX 7700 priced at $450 and the cheapest 8-Core Zen4 CPU (7700X) currently costs $350. Add to that 24GB of GDDR6X that would be needed for that 19GB/s memory transfer speed (around $80) and just for those 3 components alone, it would currently cost just shy of $900. Even with the typical price reduction that the console manufacturers get for bulk purchasing, it'll still likely be out of range for Sony's budget. Especially when you also factor in all the other consoles components (Mainboard, SSD, Blu-Ray, case, controllers ect.). That's of course unless the Pro console will cost far more ($700+). Also doubling the Tflops, doesn't equate to double the performance, at least in games. Using TFlops, are absolutely pointless way of trying to measure performance these days. For example, the RX 7700 is rumoured to have 31.2 TFlops, however it will have roughly the same level of performance as the older 16.1 TFlop RX 6800 and the 21.7 Tflop RTX 3070Ti. Which BTW at that level, would produce around 60% more performance, than the 10.3 Tflop PS5, in games. The RX 7700 will also only have 48CU's, not the 60CU's like what's being stated. It's the RX 7800 that's rumoured to have 60CU's and that is expected to cost around $550-$600 (even more costly) and also have a TDP of around 300watts (so would require a 450W, possibly 500W PSU)

@@fafski1199 It's not really useful to compare the prices of individual PC components with multiple markups to a games console with a custom APU and a contract with AMD for minimums of millions of orders. Fixed prices and guaranteed profits. That's why consoles are cheaper after all. Sony can price it at $499 and make no profit on it for a year if they wanted to. Standard console business model. The profit is not in the hardware, at least not for the first few years.

@@pgr3290 Pricing still has a major bearing. Sony has a set out budget and a cut off point for both the price that they pay for components and the price they then charge to customer's for that console. Too high on either or both could cause issues. Otherwise why on Earth do you think they didn't just stick a 12-core 3900X and 6900XT combo inside of the PS5 to begin with and be done with it? The main reason was simply because it would have then been far too expensive for customers. Most potential customers in the market for a console, are typically looking for one that costs under $600 (preferably around $500) Likewise the PS5 Pro will have a similar limited budget and Sony will be limited to picking a GPU and CPU for it, that will fit inside of that budget. They simply aren't going to stick inside it a GPU and CPU, that together will cost them nearly double the amount that they are going to be selling the console for. It would be potentially suicidal to do so, even if they could scrape some of that back through game sales. At very best just like the PS5 and all the past consoles, it'll be a GPU + CPU combo, that would typically cost you around $400-$600, if you went out and bought a simular specced CPU+GPU combo for PC. You just aren't going to get CPU & GPU inside of a $500 console, that would cost you around $900+ on PC, no matter how hard you pray. That's unless Sony are dumb enough to try and charge customers $700+ for the console. Which would then heavily hurt any potential sales.

If going with base storage only, that isn't hard to do. If you can get a good deal on a 2-4TB compatible SSD, I would suggest getting one. If you have an external drive for PS4, you can still use it for your PS4 games on PS5 and get most of the benefits still. Mind, of course, only get an SSD if on a decent sale. Many 2TB a month ago had sales for under $100. I am nearly certain the drops are similar in most countries outside of Australia and Brazil as worse case examples of cost...

It doesn’t connect direct to the PS5 console but through wifi. Sony should of made this like the Wii U gamepad.

Yeah the wifi direct connection on the ps4 was brilliant, bummed the ps5 doesn't have it.

350mm² chip on TSMC N3 node would be a good start. Theoretically they can fit as much transistors as 2x7900 GCDs and 8 core Zen 4 in that. Remember that it wouldn't need MCDs like an actual 7900. That's 2x96 CUs, unless RDNA3-4 crossgen CUs become more complex.

Sony doesn't use DX12. They have their own custom API. Not sure what features they are missing? The PS5 seems to keep up with the Series X pretty well. In some cases slightly better settings in games, albeit a slightly lower resolution.

@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 Its just basically OpenGL, as the Xbox consoles are basically DX (but no literally, if compared to PC like I just did for OGL)

You can already play videogames in 8k😅

The PS4 Pro upgraded to SATA 3, improved the CPU by 33%, added 512mb more RAM for games on top of the GPU upgrade.

Definitely nothing wrong with that, but it is a scary idea BECAUSE developers are barely pushing the power of the ps5 standard, not taking full advantage, then the pro comes out and could lead to them losing interest in giving optimized software, in favor of pushing unoptimized UE5 games because of the extra horsepower. Im not entirely sure if thats the real problem, but its likely whats gonna happen

​@@gesi7072Most PS5 games have dynamic resolutions. A pro would ensure the highest graphically fidelity along with more consistent fps in more intensive games. For people willing to wait and spend a little extra, they get the best console experience, and those who don't need it, can stick with the cheaper base PS5. Everyone wins here.

Correct

What's funny is the PS5 currently has a true 8K game but there's no output display option so the game just super samples it for the 4K mode

😅

They saw the success of the Wii U and wanted it for their own

@@izamanaick I was thinking a similar thought. Like, why in the Hell would Sony want a PS version of the WiiU?

Even with Wii U you can argue its better because of the low latency lmao but this Q stuff..@@izamanaick

Sony is doing a launch PS3 scenario again. People put them at the top of the podium and voila.

they are high

That's also why we are told that most projects never make it into fruition and are canned along the way. Starting projects is a norm and a reflection of the times at the project onset, bringing this project to market is a reflection of Sony's rationale at this current moment.

A new generation console, a mid gen refresh won't take nearly as long.

Sure, base ps5 was able to play pretty much every title 60fps locked. Give it a year or two after ps5 pro release, we will be back to the same situation. How about devs take the time to optimize their games and not worry about pushing the hardware to the absolute limit.

​@@leesanction2068That's the problem. They don't push the hardware at all, because they don't write the game engines.

MORE POWER DOESN'T MEAN LOCKED 60 LOOL

@@leesanction2068 you can optimize whatever you want, that won’t mean you’re getting how ff16 quality mode looks now, but at 60fps still on a base ps5.

@@steelyeyes9190 more powerful hardware increases performance. Not sure what you’re getting at

PS5 library is also starting to get games with serious performance issues so it couldn't come too soon.

@@cellspeed8682 lol Which games? Final Fantasy 16? and....?

Just for clarification, what did you mean by an another 32bits?

​@@PaulTheFox1988I think he's talking about the memory bus width

@@ItsNotAProblem ah yeah that's what I suspected, but for some reason my brain kept thinking they meant making the cpu 96bit instead of 64bit lol Sometimes brain go derp

Felt the same way playing the PC version of RE4, tho playing on Dolphin may be more faithful to the original NGC version if that's isn't available.

My PS2 will never die

@@quicksilver6870 I need to replace the laser on mine :(

Connsider hardware emulation like the Mister, that way it'll feel more accurate to playing og hardware while having the benefits of emulation on top of it.

"and feeling a disconnect from my immersion, when I saw the Playstation button prompts when I was playing on an Xbox 360 controller" baby

Just what I was thinking! If the PS5 Pro only has a detachable drive, they have more space inside the box for cooling, without making the console even bigger.

I can't believe Rich, who is Oliver's boss, didn't know that he was getting his employee to work at 2:30am!!! Oliver, being young and I presume grateful for the work didn't complain, but wholly crap this sounds like a ridiculous working situation.

@@gedaliaw i have no sympathies for people who work from home

@@rowen898 You expect him to fly a plane over the Atlantic and work from Richards basement?

What country is Oliver based in?

Yea but I really don't think that is the actual hardware issues. My damn 4090 is taxed in Remnant 2 and while it looks ok it isn't near THAT good looking. No I think it is more due to absolute shit optimization on pc and consoles and devs relying too much on upscaling. Look at Forapoken. After some time optimizing they were able to not only increase fps but resolutions too. Devs just aren't optimizing as well as they should

​@@SPG8989 I agree. I know it's not a hardware issue. Games this gen look no better than last-gen ones but require much more powerful hardware. This started right when they cut support of last-gen consoles. It's clearly a game development issue. Lazy/incompetent devs or publishers pushing release dates or all at once. And thus the attemp to mitigate this problem by providing even more powerful hardware (PS5 Pro) looks dumb as hell (like all this gaming industry of today is).

PS4 Pro wasn't only a GPU upgrade.

No ZEN 4 jump, but GPU and VRAM will be improved. Also, 60% more cores doesn't mean 60% more performance.

⁠​⁠@@justfun5479It definitely doesn’t as doubling CUs rarely, if ever, means 2x the performance. However, this is a 50% CU increase (36 -> 54), backed by a potential architecture improvement RDNA 3, backed by higher speed memory, with the potential for higher clocks as well. So the GPU should realistically be around a 60% performance increase putting the console much closer to RX 6800 performance with RX 7000 series RT and FSR 3.0 which is a really solid upgrade as long as it’s $599 MAX. As for Zen 4, I meant Zen 3 (aka Rembrandt / Rembrandt-R) which is why I mentioned Digital Foundry’s 4800s vs RX 5600 video. Going to Zen 3 would be a huge life in performance, as the current console APUs while based on Zen 2 aka RX 3000 series, since they’re customer mobile/laptop APUs they perform closer to the RX 2700 in real world performance than the 3700 they’re designed from.

Finally someone with common sense

Jumping 2 generations of CPU architecture isn't a refresh, its a whole new console generation.

The Pro/1X were still jaguar and GCN 2.0 based. Why would they put all that R&D into something that could easily just be a next gen system.

Hey! I don't know how this game would run in old GPUs with newer CPUs but I think that newer GPUs may depend a little bit less on the CPU. Maybe I'm wrong with all of this, but, see... I'm running a 4080 with that same CPU (i5 8600k). I overclocked it to 5 Ghz, and yes, I'm getting bottlenecked really hard. I did that OC before going for a new CPU, but then I realised... the performance in games is fine, specially when they have Frame Generation. I'm not on a rush anymore, so I was thinking about keeping this CPU for a little longer. The only game that got me close to 60 fps without FG was The Last Of Us Part 1. Seeing 77 fps, while staring at a wall (just after yo start controlling Joel for the first time), with 99% to 100% CPU utilization in all 6 cores felt TERRIBLE, and the frametime was not nice. It was crazy, but I've used a Frame Generation mod, from PureDark, to play it at a capped 120 fps, and out of a particular scene at the very beggining of the game, when all the people are running and stuffs, I always got that with a smooth frametime, because FG gives me close to double the amount of fps I'm getting. Almost double, basically. Now, what I wanted to let you know, in case you have issues with your CPU, is that Ratchet & Clank, in particular, runs WAY TO WELL, and I guess it has something to do with some new tech they are using in this game. I did notice that my GPU usage is a lot higher than in other games. Even with everything maxed out, including RT options (those usually kill the 8600k), and the distance slider on 10, without FG I was always over 80 fps, most of the time around 100 fps, did see 120 fps from time to time, and with Frame Generation I was getting over 200 fps, sometimes drops to around 150 fps. It did depend a lot on what was going on screen, the plannet I was in, etc, but the point is: in this game in particular, I didn't feel the bottleneck that much. GPU utilization, with FG, was in the 90%, even running the game at 1080p. I don't know if it's RTX IO, DirectStorage 1.2, or what ever, but it seems like it's helping a lot.

wait you have to step it all the way down to 900p? no way. it doesn't even manage 30-60fps?

@@bradhaines3142 upscaled 1080p runs at an unstable 60 fps. In very enclosed spaces it's pretty stable, but then it can run as low as 40 fps in some scenes. I prefer having better performance since in coop some fights are pretty brutal. And since I still have to use an upscaler with all the artifacts, it doesn't change much going down to 900p. Still better than the stuttery mess that was Dead Space, that was just barely bearable on my system. I played it only because I love 1 and 2. I still prefer the original though.

At this point, I would stop playing games and use that time to get a part time job, coz 1600x900, I’m assuming low-mid settings, sounds terrible. 💀Also get a 144hz vrr screen minimum.

@@Pisscan you know what sounds even worse? Badly optimised games. The game is heavy as hell for how it looks on any system. The Last of Us had no reason to be that heavy. Maybe only Dead Space had reasons to be so demanding. In any case, a game (Remnant) that sets upscaling on in its default settings can't be a well optimized product for how it looks. I can play Resident Evil 4 in 1080p with high settings and 60 fps. I'll upgrade my system in the following years, but it won't be so that developers can stop optimizing games and stop making scalable experiences for PC players with different hardwares.

I agree. Even starting games from a cold boot are often super fast. It almost feels like it’s resuming from a saved state.

@@videogameobsession yeah, and then games like Jedi survivor make we watch unskippable intro vids that feel like they go on for an eternity lol. Become spoiled.

Wait for the slim version. It'll likely have a few benefits over the original hardware, as the slim versions usually do.

@@G360LIVE I only had the base PS4. Did the slim PS4 have any advantages over it?

​@@Nigel222I believe it was quieter. I'm not sure of anything else outside taking less space up.

@@VanTeslaPS4 slim had the same hardware as the base PS4

​@@cmdr101z8Then it was likely just quieter and small then. I didn't have the slim, but a friend had one. It sounds quieter, be it a slight change in the ventilation/fan design or that the components being shrunk slightly helped reduce enough immediate heat up. I just know my original PS4 if playing certain games sounds like a jet engine, the second version is not as bad, and Slim is a bit better in that regard. No dust issues, no air flow issue, no thermal paste issue. First gen PS4 and it Pro model had some of the loudest fan/heating sounds. Could test the rev up when playing games like God of War just authentic start screen.

On low settings maybe 💀

4k at 70-80fps in next gen titles is far to much to expect from a console. UE5 games are running at 720p on the PS5, 4k is nine times that. What you're asking for there is high end PC performance.

@@originalityisdead.9513 Yes, and I am specifically talking about the theoretical performance of he PS5 Pro - and I very specifically made no mention of UE5, which runs like a trainwreck.

@captainthunderbolt7541 UE5 is a traiwreck because the consoles are weak. I'd be suprised if the PS5 Pro does 1440p 60FPS in demanding titles.

@@originalityisdead.9513 UE5 is still a mess on PC. 2k FSR'd to 4k at 60+fps might be a bit more realistic for the Pro, assuming that its GPU is close to the 7800 xt. Native res of UE5 titles still probably won't reach 2k@60 though (unless Lumen and Nanite are switched off, or more carefully optimised).

I doubt Sony would market the PS5 with 8K capabilities of it's not possible. Sony are the founders behind HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.1, they literally invents this kind of tech, it's what Sony do best. 8K will probably be unlocked through a firmware update at some point when 8K is more common

The 4090 can't handle 8k very well, ps5 pro will never ever be able to do 8k

Wait. 32 gbps? What if hard drives used HDMIs? That would be pretty funny.

​@@pacomatic9833this is one of those infuriating things about the industry: networking and display connectors normally use giga-*bits*, while internal connectors like NVMe and RAM normally use gigabytes. But not always, for either! So yeah, those 7.4GB/s NVMe cards are about twice as fast as HDMI 2. Funnily enough, M.2 is just a straight connect to the PCIe bus, and the thunderbolt display protocol is basically just PCIe, complete with direct access to RAM: so you're not that far off!

You’re talking about two different things, while we can agree 8K definitely not for video games, it can display 8K content up to 30fps such as videos/movies,etc

Zen 3 is good enough for the ps5 pro, if it has zen 4 then it's gonna cost $700 with RDNA 3 since zen 4 is pricey and RDNA 3 is pricey, don't get your dreams too high it's not gonna be a pc killer

We dont want PC killet We want future proof consoles Like the one X

The Microvision deal hasn't been closed yet.

Yeah rt is the elephant in the room here. Something that a pro could improve upon by a lot

Any OS level implementation of frame-gen would look terrible, at least with the current tech. An OS level implementation would also have to generate the HUD, etc, and we've all seen how bad that can look. AMD is working on their version of frame gen for PC, though, so I imagine it will eventually come to consoles. It was already supposed to be released a couple months ago, but AMD have been silent since the 7900XT/XTX first announcement.

@@zues287 would it? because the image vectors that would compose the UI and HUD would mostly be static, also it only need to be applied when a game is running. Thinking about it the console could interrupt the pipe-line rendering at some point to invoke the frame-gen, I dunno if there would be a good way to implement ignoring the UI elements, but injecting in the render pipe-line the frame-gen is possible.

@@helloguy8934 raytracing is a gimmic, I have a 4080 and I have that shit turned off, waste of FPS for a little bit of prettyness

@AssassinIsAfk If Ray tracing is a gimmick then pbr is a gimmick. Or programmable shaders are a gimmick.

Well, the problem is that if UE5 cannot deliver games at 60fps for the PS5 and XSX, then it should not be used as a game engine for those games. The console spec is already set in stone and there will be 100 million PS5 and XSXs soon. All games will be made for these specs and they need to run at 60fps. UE5 needs to find a way to run games on these consoles at 60fps and they have to look and run better than other game engines for it to be considered worth the investment. God forbid, we start using FSR2 on 720p internal resolution which yields motion artifacts and destabilizes the image.

@@techsamurai11is to late for that. Sony itself Support UE5 Productions…. But Yeah. Its 99% sure. 30 fps Gaming Coming back pretty soon

@@techsamurai11 The thing is that most of the industry now uses UE5. There's no escaping it. But when you look at games like Hellblade 2, however realistic it looks, it won't run well on consoles. And I don't want to go back to 30 fps gaming. I'm happy to buy a new console if it can provide better performance. Also, see Flight Simulator, Starfield...

@@gabor-tothI don't know the percentage of games using UE5 but I really haven't seen many titles other than Fortnite running UE5 and some demos. If the current consoles can't run at 60fps, those games should NOT be using UE5. It's Game Over for them if they made that choice. A game running at 30 fps on a PS5 or XSX without a solid 60fps option is an automatic failure except for games like the Witness, What Remains of Edith Finch, or perhaps the Talos Principle.

Not 100% sure if it's bass causing it but that's what it sounded like to me

At this point just get a gaming PC because a 700 to a 800 dollar box still cannot compete with a high end PC for gaming

This comment hits the nail on the head. Development is taking a lot longer and so the selection is a bit dry and I don’t think I’ve seen a game really ‘push’ these the ps5 and series x. I’ve heard rumours that developers are already starting to work on games for ps6- which shows the development cycle. There’s a rush to get software out but then when it does it’s poorly received. Which would probably explain why f2p and battle pass/season games do so well atm as they are easy to update with new content.

Do you live in a cardboard box? 😉

The PS5 isn’t THAT big

​@@cmdr101z8it really is. It's ridiculous

@@stephenmurray2851It’s really not. And it’s still a good amount smaller than PC cases

@@stephenmurray2851 no its not!

I don't think it's as niche as you think.

Why can't it max out PSVR2's fidelity? If anything, it uses Foveal rendering so it should render what you see in high detail.

@@techsamurai11 VR is very demanding; to get the best resolution and frame rates, you need to be pushing 90-120 Hz at 4K, preferably with some supersampling. With PS5 this can only be done on games with low to moderate complexity. RE Village, GT7 and Horizon CotM look great, but when you play Red Matter 2 or Song in the Smoke it becomes clear that the AAA games aren’t maxing out the headset’s potential for clarity and frame rate.

@@Wiiillllson151 I hope it’s not! PSVR2 is awesome. I’d be surprised if more than 2% of PS5 owners have it at this point though.

@@zeldaoot23 yeah, I wasn't aware of reprojection and the issues it can cause for some folks. I'm a little surprised that the PSVR2 has so many compromises. Between the fresnel lenses which are less clear, the unique OLED technology, and reprojection, it seems that it has a lot of noticeable technological problems besides the lack of software. Sony resolved the cable issues and they have the PS5 which is so much more powerful than the PS4 and yet the hardware is not there yet especially compared to Apple's vision Pro. It's strange cause Sony makes the miniscule OLED panels that the Vision Pro uses and they could easily add pancake lenses to get incredible visual fidelity. Maybe the PS5 cannot handle 120hz yet but it's still good enough to produce a decent performance and with the screen being 100% sharp and color accurate, it may have been better. I feel it was such a missed opportunity for Sony to really take over the market for folks who want a Vision Pro experience at a much lower price and they'd be 1st to market with incredible software and potentially AAA titles.

5600x3d isnt because production costs went down, they're 5800x3d that failed a core or 2. also they're not being sold en mass and AMD said they'll be limited run. i think 3D chips is the future, but we're still on the bleeding edge of the tech right now

How was the digital ps5 a fail when it was sold out just as much as the disc one

The digital edition was a fail? That's absurd. The ONLY reason the Disc Edition sold so well is that was the only model anyone could really find online for the longest time. Sony was able justify a $100 price increase for the PS5 by including a (what, $30-$40???) cheap disc drive. So, they did a "paper" launch of the PS5 Digital Edition, just enough of them out there to get good press about offering a cheaper option in the current economic climate, and then primarily manufactured and sold Disc Editions. There is a loud minority of people who still use physical media, and face it, most don't care and would have preferred to save $100 to spend on games or and extra controller, or literally anything other than a disc drive that they will never use and that adds no value----especially to those who gameshare digitally already, effectively cutting the price of all the games they purchase in half.

@@detectivephelps9805 the $100 for the drive is 100% worth it if you resell games. you’ll easily make that back. Digital is only worth in on console for games that have tons of replay value. I beat ratchet in like 2 weeks and regretted buying it digital because I could have easily sold that game for like 55 dollars instead of rot away in my library.

​@@detectivephelps9805you save much more money in the long term by buying disc based games rather than buying it on the digital store, ive bought 2 games that cost me £35 disc that would have cost me £80 on the digital store

I happily own a PS5 DE, I will not buy discs again (since mid PS3). Games are online and updated anyway, no sense at all having discs.