Daniel's Visions: Do They End with GREECE?

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4 жыл бұрын

When was the Book of Daniel written? One of the key questions that interpreters ask in this regard is, "When do the visions and prophecies end?" Is the final earthly kingdom to rule Greece? Rome? Something else?
Dating the Book of Daniel is not a simple task, but the consensus view is that it was written in the middle of the second century BCE. For a full video series dealing with the issues surrounding the dating of the book, click here: • The Book of Daniel: PR...
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@y11971alex 3 жыл бұрын

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@danbreeden1801 3 жыл бұрын

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@erimgard3128 3 жыл бұрын

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@colinrow725 3 жыл бұрын

You guys can't stay away from Daniel can you? That's fine by me because I love it!

@unknownx7252 3 жыл бұрын

I grew up seventh day adventist, the book of Daniel and revelation are very well studied in the church, adventist believes are based on the 2300 days prophecy of Daniel so as an ex adventist I love this channel.

@danbreeden1801 3 жыл бұрын

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@dustinellerbe4125 3 жыл бұрын

If these books were written in Alexandria and had access to the Library of Alexandria, post written stories would be an easy task to complete.

@mjt532 3 жыл бұрын

Are there scholars who hold this view? Are you suggesting a post-165 BC completion date for the final form of Daniel?

@matiaspereyra9375 3 жыл бұрын

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@Number0neSon 3 жыл бұрын

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@blorkpovud1576 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I've recently been introduced to this Daniel obsession from an SDA relative.

@Number0neSon 3 жыл бұрын

@@blorkpovud1576 Yeah, I hear ya. SDA's are relentless with the Daniel stuff.

@fly_8659 3 жыл бұрын

This series has been liberating for me personally! I feel like walking cleanly away from a doom's day cult.

@bilalhussein9730 3 жыл бұрын

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@unknownx7252 3 жыл бұрын

As a former SDA I love this series!

@danbreeden5481 2 жыл бұрын

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@michjefferson77 3 жыл бұрын

Have you guys done a video on revelations cause I would like to see your perspective on that and other apocalyptic readings?

@unknownx7252 3 жыл бұрын

As a former seventh day Adventist if you can dismantle Daniel, revelation will automatically fall apart but like you I would very much appreciate a dive into revelation by DH.

@bengreen171 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant as always.

@user-re5xg4ds6u 3 жыл бұрын

Very Interesting , Thanks

@kalicorrell5026 3 жыл бұрын

Hello! Big fan of your work! I noticed that a year ago there was a video made about homosexuality and whether or not the Book of Leviticus condemned it. This was very interesting to me and I was wondering if more videos on this topic are ever going to be made. If not, do you know of any good resources that I can look at?

@Camilo199 2 жыл бұрын

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@erimgard3128 3 жыл бұрын

This is relevant to my interests

@Harvyy99 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks. Just a question what about Daniel 2? Was this a later edition only because it seems to point towards the Roman Empire

@DigitalHammurabi 3 жыл бұрын

In what way do you see it pointing toward the Roman Empire?

@Harvyy99 3 жыл бұрын

Digital Hammurabi don’t worry it’s probably just my Ex Jehovah’s Witness upbringing. I do believe it ended with the Greek period. It’s just how Daniel 2 talks about the 4 kingdoms and I’d always just put it as Egypt-Persia-Greece-Rome and I guess I’d just thought the ‘division’ it spoke of in the fourth kingdom was speaking of the Jews/Romans. Only difference with me and the JWs is I don’t extrapolate the feet of the statue to mean present times too🙈 so the fourth kingdom was Greece then?

@danbreeden5481 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see more on challenges to the assumed unity of Isaiah

@stuartc9149 3 жыл бұрын

Great video but what happened to the bibliography?

@miguellozano4407 2 жыл бұрын

Question . Do the prince of Greece and prince of Persia in chapter 10 Have names ? From mythology or enoc type book ? Or are they just angels which don’t have names

@claytonweaver2684 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Dr. Josh, there's a typo at 6:46, should be Daniel 12, not 2.

@CelloThe15th Жыл бұрын

I have an issue with this: You didn't even mention the decree/word to rebuild jerusalem. Wouldn't that effect the timeline? Maybe I am misunderstanding, and I still don't believe in the prophecy, but I could really use a response DH

@DigitalHammurabi Жыл бұрын

Good question! If I were to say that I set a timer, and I told four different people about when it would go off in the following way: 1) before the great fire descends 2) just prior to the bright white giant appears in the sky 3) they will not yet slumber from the day 4) their final meal enjoyed, but rest had not yet come… you would likely conclude that the timer will go off very near but still before nightfall (sun going down, moon’s appearance, sleep for the night, after dinner, but before bed). If you then heard me say something that could be interpreted as me saying that the timer wouldn’t go off until the following morning, you would either have to conclude that I made a mistake in what I said, or that you misunderstood me. That’s what’s going on here. If all visions end with Greece, it doesn’t matter if another data point could suggest a time later than that. All say (sometimes very specifically) that the final kingdom to rule before the coming of God’s kingdom is Greece.

@CelloThe15th Жыл бұрын

@@DigitalHammurabi Thank you for replying! I am still a little uncertain, but this helps

@CelloThe15th Жыл бұрын

@@DigitalHammurabi Actually, I know its been done to death, but do you think you could do a video refuting claims of daniel 9 predicting Jesus?

@user-jz6tw4ud6b 3 жыл бұрын

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@drewjohnson4811 3 жыл бұрын

This is a very bad approach. It's almost feels like you know those chapters don't end in Greece. This approach only works if you leave out all the details in the chapter. It's like saying a dog is the same as an elephant since they both have a tail and ears. All the details lead to a completely different conclusion. You have to take the exegesis head-on and deal with where it leads. Ch.2, Ch.7, Ch.9, and Ch.11 all end in Rome. Ch. 12 is Rome exclusively.

@unknownx7252 3 жыл бұрын

As a former Adventist I would like to see that done, I use to research this stuff in my younger days, if I get to the point financially, I will definitely do more research on that. You're right, it doesn't end with the Greeks but DH is right the further you go beyond chapter eleven and twelve it gets muddied. Adventist also believes it gets into Rome and the Roman catholic church and the pope, who bears the number 666.

@drewjohnson4811 3 жыл бұрын

@@unknownx7252 Seems they don't even entertain Rome as an option since it would require that Daniel wrote prophetically. If they would evaluate Rome, it's clear the eleven rulers in ch. 7 run from Pompey to Vespasian and the First Jewish Roman War. The war is the conflict/tribulation in ch. 2,7, and 12 consistent with the New Testament. The Roman rulers are also ch 11:36-45.

@histreeonics7770 3 жыл бұрын

@@drewjohnson4811 Perhaps Rome is not considered because it doesn't particularly well fit the (supposed) prophecy while Greece does. It is not at all clear to me that the ninth ruler of Rome is actually the 11th, and why pick Vespasian as the somehow 11th? Your theory is quite contrived.

@drewjohnson4811 3 жыл бұрын

@@histreeonics7770 Greece doesn't fit very well. Holding the view that Greece is the 4th kingdom requires three contrivances. 1. Media conquers Babylon first then Persia. The Greek view requires Media to be the second kingdom. Media had been under Persian control for 11 years prior to the fall of Babylon. They'll say Daniel views it that way, but he doesn't. Over and over he treats them as one ruling entity. 2. Run the divisions of Daniel's 70 weeks concurrently to force them to fall in the Greek empire - Nothing in the text warrants that especially when we're given the total number of years. 3. Ignore 11:36 - 12:13, 2:44, 7:13-14,27 - They say Daniel was a failed prophet in predicting the kingdom. 4. Ignore the introduction of Kittim in ch. 11. Throughout that chapter, Daniel introduces and intersection of the preceding and succeeding kingdoms then moves on to the next. The introduction of Kittim is the note that he's shifting to them in the verses that follow. He isn't counting emperors the way we think today. He's looking at when Judah came under Roman dominion from Pompey forward in 63 BC. Compare Daniel 11:41 to Pompey's annexation of Judah.

@Greyz174 Жыл бұрын

@@drewjohnson4811 mentioning Rome's interference with Antiochus's plans does not mean that the focus of the prophecy shifted over to Rome and that going forward the king of the north is Roman. Why would it?