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The Disney ship I can’t stand are teddy and Spencer yes they were cute but as soon as you cheat on me it’s over Period

I think Joey and Willow from Liv and Maddie are definitely one of the ickiest Disney channel canon ships ever bcuz she literally physically threatens him and makes romantic advances though he makes it clear he’s not interested. (One scene literally has her demand that he sit next to her and Joey says I’m going to say yes because I’m afraid to say no) Then she eventually wears him down and they get together and thankfully broke up but still should never have happened in the first place, it was harassment and ab**ive.

Ferb actually wasn’t adopted, his dad married Phineas’s mom so they’re step brothers

it's crazy some people don't feel gross shipping siblings 👎

“He’s using Maya’s infatuation with him to his advantage” he’s also takes advantage of Maya’s daddy issues

One ship I found out through fan art on TikTok was Mirabel and Bruno. So gross. Like not only is he 45ish, but he’s her uncle!? Like why would they ship them???

I think the issue with age gaps is less how many years (though that is also problematic) but *when* the ages are - 14 and 17 are so drastically different in maturity and life experience, whereas 24 and 27 are closer in regards to life situation and experiences (and hopefully maturity, though that's no guarantee).

I never finished KC undercover so hearing that Marissa and Brady are end game while Brett is still off somewhere in Canada after his (if memory serves me right) top tier redemption arc IS RIDICULOUS

I agree any ship that deals with siblings or growing up as siblings shouldn’t be shipped. And it still confuses me why people still do it

Ferb is Lawrence’s son (I believe from a previous relationship?) and Candace and Phineas are Linda’s children from a previous relationship. When Linda and Lawrence married I assume they adopted each other’s children, but the whole dynamic is so wholesome, especially because Phineas and Candace call Lawrence ‘s parents grandma and grandpa which I find so sweet.

Thank GOD I’m not the only person who dislikes Josh and Maya. I’m starting college in the fall, and the idea of dating a ninth grader is so icky to me. Seeing that kind of relationship on a kids show makes me worried.

I agree with the Hades and Mal ship, and the Russo Siblings. Both are EXTREMELY disturbing.

I think if she did put Maddie and Diggy on this list, the entire video would have turned into her ranting about how they are not good together. And being honest, I would still watch it and love it because it is true that those two should NOT be canon at all!

I’m just now realizing how weird KC undercover sounds to someone who has never watched it.

I don't know if it'll be on here but Austin and Piper from Austin and Ally. He tried so hard the prove he's not shallow and impress her and she took advantage of that, she made him throw away his phone, stop using hair products, and wear a potato sack. He got attacked by a bird while climbing a coconut tree to get her a fresh coconut water and she wasn’t even the least bit concerned, she was amused. I hate her!

I see what you mean like, Alex and Justin would be a great ship if they weren't siblings, but THEY ARE SIBLINGS. WHY WOULD THAT EVEN CROSS ANYBODY'S MIND

Even without the incest Mal and Hades would be a toxic relationship. There a a definite power imbalance. The reason Mal is a little touchy and has that body language is do to her caring what he thinks despite him not showing that he cares, and (like I said) the power imbalance. She is also probably still under 18- too young for him.

People shipping any of the Pines with Bill are basically shipping someone with their abuser, imo and that definitely makes me feel icky. Bill caused so much trauma to that family I can’t believe people can fathom romantic feelings between any of them.

The college episode in Girl Meets World pissed me off so bad! Those college girls really threatened Josh’s social life if he wouldn’t wait for her, like, EW.

So glad you decided to talk about Trish and Chuck, wasn't sure you would but I would've commented about them regardless because boy does Chuck make me uncomfy. He comes off as super creepy in the way he treats Trish for basically the whole show. I don't want to think about how they could've possibly become a couple. I remember being super shocked and annoyed about the whole thing when the finale first came out and I still feel pretty much the same way.

SO glad to see someone bring up the shego and kim problem-i think sometimes when people look back on shows they watched as a kid they completely forget to consider ages. especially if the show is animated, since that makes it even harder to tell what that gap is also! surprised that ferb and vanessa weren’t in the canon ships section :0 that always majorly skeeved me out

Not Disney Channel but Disney Junior: people literally ship SOFIA AND CEDRIC from Sofia the First 🤮🤮🤮

Can we talk about how the Maya and Josh thing is the exact same story as the Zack and Maddy thing. The three year age gap where the younger of the two is obsessed with the older and in one episode someone three years older than the older of the ship turns them down for the age reason. It's not really that important but I think it's interesting.

“And both of those videos include zero incest” had me cracking up for some reason 😂

The absolute worst “””ship””” that I ever saw was when I was trying to find Harley & Aidan fanfic for Stuck in the Middle, and found fanfic for _all of the Diaz siblings._ Really really icked me out and I immediately just dipped and avoided searching for fanfic for that show anymore. Also, apparently Harley & Ethan are a “popular ship” despite them being siblings a la Justin & Alex. Wtf

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I remember whenever I watched the Wizards of Waverly Place movie, one scene made me uncomfortable because their chemistry was too good and didn't feel like siblings at all. So I can understand where it comes from, but also, no no no no NO 🤢. In high school, I wrote a story based on the Wizards movie, but the Justin like character was the main character's brother's best friend. Wait, people ship Mal and Hades? 🤢🤢🤢

The little hint of Cait shipping Zay and Maya was all I needed.

On Justin and Alex: there is a very uncomfortable amount of ao3 fanfiction of them, I hate it. And yes to characters not needing romantic interests! I think one of the best examples of this was Jim from Soy Luna- she consistently showed that she was way too immature to be in a relationship with Nico, and it was just exhausting to watch. I really loved her character once she became single. Jazmin was also a great character when she wasn’t pursuing an (unrequited) romantic interest. Also Lindy’s character development in I didn’t do it as she starts adopting dogs was such a great way to show growth and change without the addition of a romantic interest!

I agree the ship in the thumbnail does make me vomit 🤮 Also I agree Trish and Chuck probably shouldn’t have been endgame Second edit: EW WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SIBLING/FAMILY SHIPS 🤮🤮🤮

Haven't finished watching but I guarantee that Maddie and Diggie will be making an appearance on this list

Ok Girl Meets World confuses me because Josh and Maya are 2 1/2 years apart (as said later in the series) yet when she’s a freshman he’s already graduated. So maybe he skipped a couple years?? Idk it’s kinda confusing but it makes me feel better that they’re 2 1/2 years apart instead of 3

I really dislike how so many Disney shows stuck two characters together despite their lack of chemistry. I remember being irrationally upset that Best Friends Whenever ended with them trying to make Cyd and Naldo being a thing despite the two having barely a friendship. (Granted, I always shipped Cyd and Shelby knowing it would never be canon. So I guess I was just setting myself up for disappointment. Lol)

I love how logical caitlin is with these icky ships like “no bill is a demon, he should not be shipped with these preteens” like I don’t think that’s stopping the people shipping them😂

Just an fyi, Ferb is not adopted. Its a blended family. Mom had two children, dad had one and they married.

this haircut is everything. looks so good! such a fresh look

I love Justin and Alex as a sibling relationship, I can't believe there are people who ship them in a romantic way. This makes me wanna vomit

alternate title: Caitlin hating age gaps for 20 minutes straight

in high school i had this friend in my year, who when we were 14 was dating this senior who was 17. at the time I didn't bat an eye, I thought it was super normal, I was friendly with both of them. at some point the school found out and intervened bc the age of consent is 16 here, so one of them could not consent legally (they weren't having sex but still). and I remember at the time being like it makes no sense, the school knows nothing, what's wrong with them dating, they shouldn't be doing that, they love each other. and I applied the same logic to joshaya, I was like nah it's fine who cares. but then I grew up and looked back at it and was like why the hell would a 17 year old hang out with a 14 year old at all?? at that age, the difference is MASSIVE, no matter what the maturity level is, someone in college and someone is high school are at completely different stages in life. i wondered why the school didn't intervene sooner, we knew nothing! and why the hell would gmw encourage this, like I wrote one joshaya fanfic and I reread it and wanna barf cuz I'm like why did I think this was okay! and it was maya's only love interest too, besides lucas who let's be real they were never gonna make canon, zay didn't have any real moments with her, so all there was was josh like ugh, gross.

"A guy who kidnapped her twice, used her and tried to murder her" gurl that is literally the plot of half the books i read and loved😂 bookworms love toxic what can I say😂

Alex & Justin and Mal & Hades made me want to throw my phone out the window

I never really watched K.C. Undercover, but hearing about how Marisa and Brady ended up together even after what he did to her and her friends sounds horrible!

Speaking from having step siblings since being a baby. I can see it being a total different scenario from having an ‘almost’ step sibling from being in your teen’s. The childhood growing up together sibling relationship isn’t there and also no shared DNA.

The way Life With Derek was written and played, no one can tell me we weren't SUPPOSED TO ship Derek & Casey, so I refuse to feel any ickiness.

i’m so glad you talked about josh and maya even when i was younger watching the show i thought it was sooo weird. i honestly can’t stand most age gaps in disney shows because they’re almost always in grade school which means one will be an adult way before the other!

We all know Diggy and Maddie are on the list or at least we think about it.

I guess I could see why Alex and Justin is a ship, but you could just have a good, close, healthy relationship with your siblings. My brother and I are so close that people in middle school thought we were dating, but nope, healthy relationships with siblings are very real and exsist

Back when I used to write fanfic, I wrote more than one with a non-canon ship included, so I guess I can't attack anyone else who does it. Still, I wish a great non-romantic ship could be left alone. Justin and Alex are terrific as brother and sister and I don't want to think of them as anything else. And though I remember when the final Descendants movie came out, some people complained that Mal and Hades' chemistry was too sexual, I didn't see it that way. To me, they were a completely convincing father and daughter.

josh and maya were the definition of "focus on your major, not your minor"

Violetta just has a thing for "it is not biological so its okay" incest, which is still very much messed up. And I was kind of hoping that after Josh and Maya got mentioned that Nina and Xavi would be making an appearance, even when they aren't that gross, but still kind of creepy when you think about it

Thank you for the Casey and Derek mention! I love them, they never saw each other as siblings and I will ship them forever...also I always liked Angie and Herman but I agree with all the points you raised here. AND... omg... what is worse than the amount of siblings ships?... twins... pets... DEMONS? We are doomed

Alex and Justin give me Derek and Casey vibes with their chemistry and the tension in some parts. I never shipped either though, it's weird

There's a weird extra layer of context to shipping Perry and Doof in that, within the canon of Phineas and Ferb, many humans are shown to have relationships with animal characters like the secret agents or even inanimate objects (there was a guy in love with an ice cream machine...)

Them being only 3 ish years apart isnt that weird that Maya and Josh have a conversation about potentially getting together, so them being together in the future wouldnt be an issue, but current time they are at a different place in their lives and shouldnt be together. Its like how lots of adult couple are quite a few years apart but if they dated as teenagers it would be creepy and potentially illegal. As for the near stepsibling relationships...if you are dating your partner snd your parents start dating, 100% fine. The parents need to be the ones to back off, not the kids. They were together first so the parents making them break up because they want to be together sucks. As for meeting/starting to like each other while your parents are already together, you already go into it knowing you have the potential to be stepsiblings and then absolutely not

1:18 I like how she's telling us about the sponsor for the video just one-on-one rather than going into ad-mode and switching to a pre-recorded video. It feels like nothing's changed and she's just being genuine with us about it.

this hairstyle looks soooo good on you! so cute and great video as always

Justin / Alex was a solid part of the fandom back in the day. Which was equal parts Sel's crush on David as it was Disney's aversion to writing romance.

Idea for a ship list. Ships that should have ended sooner that could have been better. Like a ship that was great but got stale or botched later in the series.

Oh the OG Casey and Derek 😭, Disney channel really made us all look like fools for wanting them together. They had more chemistry that most on-screen couples at that time.

Josh and Maya reminds me of a situation I was personally in. Same ages. Except he was the one hitting on me. Makes that extremely creepy when you look at it that way

My theory about Mal and Hades is that it's like one of the only duets in the movies and duets are a really good way to show off character chemistry. Think about it, 'Space Between' and 'Do What You Gotta Do' are both duets and people ship the people from both of them. Mal and Evie is obviously a far superior ship but that's my theory. What I'm saying is Disney should have given Ben and Mal a duet if they wanted us to ship them.

Hm, I think, real life actor ages don't matter unless you're shipping the actors. Otherwise the character ages are the way to go.

I didn’t think much about the touchy moments with Mal and hades. I just thought Mal giving him a kiss on the cheek was a daughter saying goodbye to her dad

I haven’t really thought about Zack and Maddy that way. I thought they were cute together, but the age difference irl is weird. I thought Dylan was 18 when he and Maddie kissed, but he was still 17.

I love your ship videos so much!!! Happy to watch another Caitlin video!! :)

Yay a new Catlin video made my day, your videos always me feel better and your positive energy is contagious! Thank you for posting I love you 🥰🥰

I think people confuse actors with characters sometimes... Like I used to think Selena and David could be together but Alex and Justin no. The only Justin that was ever together with "Alex" was Justin Bieber.

i love your new hair

I AGREE WITH GERMÁN AND ANGIE !! they're literally in-laws why was everyone in the show rooting for them so hard ignoring that ?? germán never considered angie's feelings, he always lied to her and went behind her back. the fact that angie still loves him despite all that is so odd ?? she deserved better !! her and pablo together were amazing

Would you ever consider doing an Owl House Ship tier ranking video discussing the ships, since the show is ending soon after the shortened Season 3? I would just love to hear your thoughts about the ships since I love you ship discussion videos weather your praising or destroying a ship. Plus, I found you from all your Barbie videos, so I automatically see you as a Queen 👑

The one about mal and her dad was crazy to me because honestly I just saw it as mal being happy that her dad was doing a good thing. I can’t believe some people actually ship that. The bad things about fandoms Is that it is usually filled with horrid and uncomfortable ships. The fandoms even sometimes ruin the show for me.

oh my gosh yes! Thank you I have been saying that for a while now, not everything needs to be shipped. There is such a thing as a platonic relationship and a well written one can be just as enjoyable to watch as a romantic one

Yay! I’m so happy when I see you post 😊

The Alex and Justin Ship craze was a huge moment. It has so many fan fiction and fan trailer. I remember videos of fans asking if the writers do they ship out and Justin. 😂😂😂 it has a huge community

i had a classmate whose aunt was her step-mom and her cousin also became her step-sister. she was very big on family and was talking a lot about all her sister calling them just sisters. so i guess that's why it doesn't sound so weird to me

Here’s the thing, some people ship this stuff for the toxicity, cause some people are into that, and it’s okay to explore darker themes as long as there’s no real harm done to one’s self or anyone else, the trouble comes when people try to apply those things in real life

From Disney xd’s pov Bree and Chase from lab rats is literally the most popular ship in the show. So many fanfics and fan edits. They are SIBLINGS. STAWP it

I love seeing that you posted

i used to OBSESSIVELY ship alex & justin russo omg i used to make up fake episodes where they would fall in love 💀 i was very mental

“I love the community it creates” Me, an anime fan: mmm Disney Shipping must not be a contact sport 🤣

Character-wise, Maddie and Zack are 3 years apart, which is what the story is based off of. I feel like thinking otherwise is trying to create an issue where there isn't one. A 15 yr old with an 18yr old isn't too far fetched if you're in the same school. A relationship doesn't always equal sex.

The problem with the age gaps is that they are teenagers and in the developing phase that it is 3 years are a big difference, later in life is not that big of a deal, just 4 years but during the teenage years, yeah it is problematic.

I definitely can’t stay up to watch this bc I have to be up early as hell for work in the morning, but just dropping in to say I’ve been WAITING for this video for so long, can’t wait to watch later on!

17:49 the other day i was watching a video you did 3 years ago where you talked about how you shipped them. Loved it honestly

THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE GRAVITY FALLS SHIPS👏👏 IT SEEMS LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE LIKES THOSE SHIPS

oh my god! finally! i am so tiered of explaining how kids who grew up together while being siblings, even if not by blood, should think of each other as siblings and nothing more. this applies to any sort of familial relationship. if they grew up knowing they were family in some sense being attracted to each other is so.... god it frustrates me.

Recently I rewatched good luck Charlie cause I never actually saw the ending and I was talking to my dad (who watched all the Disney shows with me) and I was saying how much I didn’t like Spencer and teddy getting back together a few times and he told me I felt the same way as a child that I was extremely upset when he cheated on her and I was mad about it for weeks lol so good for little me

The case with the flowers reminds me of the early 2000s barbie flowers. So no wonder you were drawn to it. also yes, thank you for bringing up Cece and Logan because I hate that ship with a passion and when I describe the relationship people don't see the problem.

Yesss Josh was too old and manipulative. Really uncomfy. With Casey and Derek? I'm guilty. First time I saw them i didn't know they were step siblings and shipped right away.

I HATE the cece and Logan ship like I don’t care what you say they were almost siblings and look I love a good enemies to lovers but they were just enemies no lovers involved I don’t like it it’s just makes no sense 😭

on the alex and justin thing. i just checked and they are indeed the top tagged WoWP ship on ao3. in fact, no other ship comes close. i have never shipped them, but considering how impossible it is to check ship popularity on ffn... its reasonable to use ao3 tags as a good metric

Please talk more about Find Me in Paris, I feel like I'm the only one who wants this but I want to hear your thoughts toooooo

I don’t know, Cece and Logan I’m sort of okay with. I mean past the step sibling thing I took from Disney doing this as ‘you never know where your going to be in 10 years’ 99.9% of people don’t end up with someone from their childhood, they don’t end up living out their childhood fantasies, and they grow up and change as people. So while I didn’t see it coming, I didn’t necessarily hate it either. As it was actually decently close to something that could happen. But that’s just my opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️

Your hair looks so good.

I find it strange how Billdip is literally the most popular Gravity Falls ship. Dipper is a child, Bill is thousands of years old, and they hate each other. Also it's just plain weird and disturbing

The Mal and hades one really is the worst especially after the fact that she is married now like if you still ship Mal and hades even after she is married that is just gross

When I was younger I watched the movie Wizards of Waverly place on my tv when it was already half over so I had no idea they were actually siblings and I ended up shipping Alex and Justin until I eventually watched the tv show and found out they were siblings.

I think for alex and justin, the ship was made because there was a rumor that david henrie and selena gomez were dating during their time in WOWP.

The thumbnail had me like whattttt. Lol tbh tho my dad once was watching wizards with me for the first time and I forget what episode it was but when I told him that Alex and Justin were siblings he was convinced that I was lying and was very confused lmaoo

your hair looks beautiful!!