Disney used to touch our hearts, now they touch us inappropriately.

The fact that The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic were able to debate about why disney has been failing on Piers Morgan's show. Really goes to show how much of a legend those two are! 😃

Diversity is not the problem in a movie. Diversity AS THE STORY is the problem with “diverse” movies.

Critical Drinker is a genuinely smart man that can make these points without resorting to catch phrases. It should have been 3 Disney reps against him.

Ernest is a perfect "spokesperson" for Disney...Gay, untalented and defensive. He's a microcosm of Disney.

To be fair, Disney seems familiar with these critics. They probably only wanted to get one Disney representative embarrassed rather than multiple.

So, during this debate, the first strategy of the Disney spokesperson is to throw-down the Race Card? Brilliant.

How ironic that he has a book titled "The case for cancel culture" behind him because I personally have canceled Disney!

This Ernest guy is way out of his depth. He's saying the same mainstream talking points that have been getting shot down for years.

This Disney representative really had a condescending attitude. His scoffing reactions are a thorn in my sight.

It's not about being racist It's about good storytelling and passion.

It is funny because right after this happens Disney announces a female led Silver Surfer Fantastic Four movie. Another massive flop.

This "Disney" rep literally is advertising a book titled "The Case For Cancel Culture" 🤦🏻‍♂️ Hard to take anything he has to say as genuine and insightful.

Disney is trying to sell New Coke and is unwilling to go back to the original recipe. Imagine the Coca-Cola company in the 80's trying to shame their customers into buying a product they don't like instead of going back to what was popular? That would have been a disaster, but that does seem to be Disney's business strategy.

This is huge, the fact that even Morgan identifies that Disney is dog ass on a LIVE WIDELY-VIEWED piece of media. We went from youtubers broadcasting to a youtube audience to a WORLD WIDE audience. But will this open Disney's eyes?? I'll bet both my nuts that no, it wont.

Disney has had enough to say in the passed 10 years we know their thought process, their stance, and how they groom children.

They sent in a catty gay black man? So disney

As always, its the story. The orginal Star Trek used spray painted coffie cup lids as part of their set dressing. But its the stories that keep people watching after 50 years.

WE ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE OF SHE-HULK! She is simply the face of your failure, Disney. *John Wick: Chapter 4 reference*

The studios have to have budgets that high because there is no other way they can cover up their money laundering schemes without it.

So Disney put forward a clearly gay individual, who rolls his f eyes when others talk? And I'm 3 mins in ...

She Hulk had flaws in the comics, luckily a superhero and lawyer, but unlucky in love. At one time, she was an alcoholic. That said, Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic are the new Siskel and Ebert. Thanks guys. We need you, and you Jesse Grant.

When you are sycophantic towards 10% of the population, how do you expect your "message" to be universally identifiable? When a film has so little you can relate to, the perpetual proselytizing turns it into two hours of Charlie Brown's parents talking to you - "Wa wa...,wa wa wa."

A well known British Director once confided in me that when he went looking for financial backing, he crunched the numbers and asked for a reasonable sum of money from backers. The backers wouldn't give him the time of day. When he inflated it 10x times, only then they would talk to him. Madness. And this is reason why you don't get 10x $10M films, but instead 1x $100M film.

I do have to pre watch Disney films before showing them to my kids. It's not just "woke" or whatever. They also encourage awful mindsets. There's believing in yourself (generally good) and then there's being born perfect and smart and strong, with no effort or failing or mistakes, and having to force the world to acknowledge that you're already totally developed and don't need no man/parents/teachers/other perspectives. I dont like this messaging. I dont like Disney telling my daughter that she doesn't need to work on herself, and I dont like Disney telling my son that he's a clown, and he may not tell girls when they are wrong because = mansplaining = bad.

I think that their “Disney Representative” has been seen when he “debated” on the Netflix “Cleopatra documentary” against an Egyptian/expert in archeology for his own culture. He wrote the book behind him (not advertising, I’m sure..🙄) He’s the weakest person to make an argument about anything. But he’s a real representation of Disney’s state of mind XD

The Disney apologist having a book deliberately turned-out cover first on their bookshelf called "The Case for Cancel Culture" tells you everything about them.

Of course Disney picks a representative the checks all their boxes a gay black man seriously

I watched The Critical Drinker talking to Piers Morgan.

If they were good stories there wouldn’t be fatigue. No one has ever stated “ There too many great stories”

Guys, this Disney representative has a book PROMINENTLY displayed behind him that says "The Case for Cancel Culture." That is all you need to know about that guy, and Disney.

This analysis is inadvertently touching on Critical Drinker's biggest problem: he refuses to attribute the failure of modern media directly to leftism. His implication is always that there's a correct way to propagandize the audience; if leftist activists were only more clever, more subtle, and more capable, then he would take no issue with their messaging. In reality, it is the leftist worldview itself that is directly at odds with quality storytelling. Feminism has given us the girl boss characters who shatter our suspension of disbelief and flatten our character arcs. Critical Theory brought us the anti-Western values of moral relativism, which has manifested as widespread subversion in media. Racial identity politics have injected tokenism and strife everywhere you look. These KZfaq critics continue to characterize the decline of entertainment media as predictable product of incompetence, but that's simply not the case. Leftist ideology is fundamentally incompatible with quality narrative design. The sooner people realize this, the sooner we can go about fixing it.

For me, this represents a huge shift in media, top to bottom communication being replaced by peer2peer communication. Out with the mainstream, in with the indie. Proud of these guys for sticking to their guns even if I don't agree with everything they say.

The Disney bloke rolling his eyes, speaks volumes about his character!

Mad props for CRIT DRINKER and NERDDROTIC!! It really shows how far they’ve gone by being in Piers Morgan’s show!! And yeah, THERE 100% RIGHT!! Disney has become a woke puppet that’s destroying themselves in their madness!

That Ernest is way out of it. Its clear hes so deluded in his woke mind.

It's nice (to me) to see one of the faces of evil....one of the demons that work behind the scenes at Disney.

Imagine hiring someone with “The Case for Cancel Culture” prominently displayed in their office to represent you in the press.

But, but, Black Panther! Same old shyt.

Plot twist: That guy never worked for Disney. He was just some random dude they got off the street.

Seeing CDs eyes after years of sunglasses is…unsettling

Lol - dudes hand the disney guy the bullet point list of things to fix to get their content watchable again and he just sits there rolling his eyes like a defiant child.

Jesse Grant often simplifies the issues. He says: "Diversity doesn´t make a film bad or good it´s the quality of the story that matters." Yes but if an actor is chosen merely because she is a woman or black then the quality of the acting probably isn´t as good as it could have been. And it´s the same for the writers, the directors, and so on. So when diversity is your main goal and you have a good story the result is probably shitty.

Disney used to stand for quality and fantasy and amazing adventures. Then something dark infested them.... Now they're a shell of their former good wholesome self.

Everything woke turns to The Last Jedi. KK should have been fired immediately. It just goes to show how little a typical CEO/Exec knows about anything.

Black Panther and Get Out were only well recieved because people were still scared of being called racist for disliking garbage.

Disney has no comeback as profits, subs and audiences all show the facts. Mr Disney Diversity sits there rolling his eyes and grimacing at every point. He is a Disney idealogue typical of the Disney corp.

They very likely know that their views and approach simply don't hold up to scrutiny

I remember being exited for she hulk show, liked her in comics and animated shows Hulk, Avengers even spiderman then they make woke trash far from the literal strong female character she once was

Walt disney will be turning in his grave, cuz of wat those fools have done to his company. Its shamefull. We all loved disney stuff as kids. But it got to corporate and too political for its own good. Shouda stayed in its lane!!

Idk understand what there is to even debate about. Whats upsetting is seeing disney trying to deflect instead of taking accountability for bad storytelling but of course disney wont

The guy from Disney gave just the kind of brain-dead excuse that we could expect 🙄

they handled themselves very well. They are the new the leaders of new media on youtube right now.

I wish more people understood the difference between "film critic" and "person who complains about kid's movies for a living"

The Disney simp has the book "The Case for Cancel Culture" on full display. Opinion discarded.

they are trying to thread the moving target needle of DEI algorithms and it's ends up like the diversity video at work

Identity Criteria vs Competency Criteria is something I have been considering. If the movie business is focused in Identity Criteria then they cannot focus on Competency Criteria. Two completely separate tracks of focus. Cannot serve two masters and all that kind of stuff.

I’d say that bad CGI hasn’t added to movies being bad, it just shows that the workers aren’t being treated well.

They just need to get the gay shit and over Powered girls out the movies, stay as true as possible to the comics.

Disney execs basically sent a human sacrifice out there so they could shrug off it off, say it's not an inportant interview, and not have anyone with a recognizable name get owned in a way people will make a bigger deal about it.

Love that these guys get to reach out to the rest of the world, beyond YT that is.

What I've noticed with Piers is he tends to invite a larger number of people he figures "agree" with him than oppose him onto the show.

Into the spider verse is, theoretically, the most diverse marvel product to ever come out bcs theres not only multiple spidermen, but they all also could bebdifferent skin colors, different races, and different religions. But again, the story was the main point of it, which made it successful So it's so weird how they keep failing when there's multiple bases for them to go off from

They killed Star Wars, thats some feat.

If its got a Disney tag...im not watching

I like that the Disney rep had a book called the case for cancel culture behind him. What a joke

These 2 are the real heroes...

I enjoy the Critical Drinker and I used to enjoy Nerdrotic. Most importantly I really enjoy your insight. Good job pointing out their good points as well as your own.

Maybe if they stopped making vehicles for politics & telling everyone who doesn't like it to pound sand, maybe Disney would finally make a profit

Clearly that Disney guy is clueless about what's going on. No surprise, competent staff all left Disney.

Here is the flaw with a lot of this thinking... No, ideology is not the ONLY aspect involved in story-telling, but it is a very important one. It would not matter from an audience's POV if the ideology were horrendously offensive and unacceptable if the story were "otherwise" well crafted: no one who objects to the ideology would watch it to be entertained. It's like saying, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Ideology matters. You can't stick lipstick on a pig and fool the audience into believing that the pig is a super-model. The problem with modern storytelling since, say, 2019-ish is, yes, the fact that the stories themselves aren't engaging. The characters are poorly crafted, their actions and consequences don't always seem to harmonize, the dialogue tends to be unengaging, and so on. But even if they were Shakespearean-level quality, if wouldn't overshadow the clear "woke" ideology that modern movie-makers are still trying to foist on the audience.

Why do the movies have to be so frigging long? There are so many movies that you spend more time looking at your watch than the screen.

The Disney rep reminds me of a black Otho(Beetlejuice)

There wouldn't be superhero fatigue with great stories. Inconsistent characters, plot holes and bad writing is just frustrating to deal with.

Independence Day cost $75m to make in 1996, that’s just under $150m in today’s money, budgets are way out of hand nowadays. The people in control of the budgets are not doing their jobs correctly

The disney guy was the only one trying to sneak a promo of his book during his interview by putting it fact up. No-one else in the interview was trying to promo their stuff

I thank disney for curing me of caring about superheroes. It was time due to age anyway.

Anybody noticed the book in the background "The Case for Cancel Culture"?...😀

lol the guy with the cancel culture book highlighted on his shelf. lmao

I didn't like black panther. i think people just say it was good because it is politically correct. It wasn't as woke as later films but i just found it boring, unbelievable and with bad cgi. I didn't even finish the film because i was so bored.

Super hero fatigue is an excuse for bringing modern politics to a BILLION dollar franchise. They knocked out their heavy hitters, which is fine...if you replace them with stories and a new developing cannon that nods to the comic book nerds but creates a great succession of Marvel adventures. Nope, Disney made a stand on their movie themes and they're not learning the lessons of other major franchises that owned their mistakes and corrected course.

Look at the 'Disney Rep's book case- a book called "the Case For Cancel Culture' deliberately displayed very prominently

Its been clear for a long time that these (stories) never been about the charachter at all. Its all about the revenge on popular franchises dissguised as equaliy presented as beloved fandom.

They threw the “gay” black guy out there to die on that hill. Double minority, double jeopardy.

Id like to see the original debate. Jesse can you post the link?

I'm 64 years old. Since I was in high school, TV "debates" have consisted of three liberals vs. one conservative, with the "impartial" host helping out the libs whenever they stumbled and cutting off the conservative whenever he made a great point. So the complaint that Morgan didn't have equal representation is at best to me a "so what?" BTW, the Disney guy's argument that a movie where you don't pick characters and writers to fit tick off boxes would result in all white men is ridiculous. How about picking people to write and act in a movie based on talent, experience, knowledge of the subject matter, and how well they fit the part? That would be the opposite of what he's advocating.

they sent the black gay man and prob the only one they had that could put two sensible words together...

Another thing to add to Disney's downfall is they lack a moral compass. The protagonists are the villains in the story and thats why people root for villains now.

What is you did not mention is that diverse films often feature misandry and humiliation of males. Has a 2018, men bought 84% of movie tickets and they are the majority of the audience in many film genres. Making a film that's not made for men and features hatred and humiliation of men as well as betrayal of men as dislikeable and incompetent is a great way to lose the male portion of your audience. Even saying the movie wasn't made for the male gaze in a magazine article in June before the movie was released, Birds of Prey still had a 54% male audience. And the director still complained that not enough men came to see it instead of asking why more women didn't go to see it.

Black Panther is the perfect example. The first was so good and the 2nd was “mehhh”

Disney will change nothing. They've already hired an actress to play Silver Surfer. A female Silver Surfer exists, but that's not the issue. Because of how female characters are presented in the MCU recently, you just know this will be woke, preachy, and unwatachable.

great video...on point...Disney please take not and change.....

Weren't all critics united in hating black Panther and saying that the only reason it managed to succeed financially was because noone dared to call a movie with a full-black cast "bad"?

When I watched the cast, I was choked with laughter! Why, you say? The Disney person, every time any of the other 3, said anything, he would roll his eyes, like some 12 year old child tired of hearing Mom say to eat your vegetables! AND as a bonus, at the end of the cast, 3 of 4 say 'goodbye's' and 'thank you's' ... the Disney guy shoves his book into the camera! That says it all ....

It's so weird hearing him sound so coherent and not acting drunk for a video. I genuinely might not have recognized his voice.

The guy for Disney has a hopeless case of the woke mind virus.

Awesome some actual reasonable voices given a megaphone

Lol Black panther took a dump on itself at the end 😂

The identity politics in Black panther wasn't as bad because it fit the geographical and pseudo-historical setting. Unlike many other projects where the inclusion of black people don't fit and becomes a distraction and breaks immersion (like beauty and the beast in a puritan village of 1500s france).

It's hard to fight using great logic, like Critical Drinker's opening statements, when the opposition stubbornly believes that their woke centric writing is good writing.