I love Alex! He’s my go-to atheist when I need a fair and well articulated critique of Christian positions. His remarks on divine hiddenness needed to be better addressed on KZfaq and Gavin did not disappoint. Hope to see more interactions between the two of you in the future. A dialogue would be great!

Alex O’Connor is one of the most honest and thoughtful atheists out there. He makes a good-faith effort to understand theistic arguments. He’s open to corrections. He is very respectful.

I accepted Christ in 2012. Prior to that I was an atheist for intellectual reasons. Even after coming to faith, and casting all my hope on the historicity of the resurrection of Christ. I’ve always had seasons of deep existential angst. I’m the type of person that thinks about the sureness of death everyday. Not morbidly, just factually and the implications of it. The what if I’m wrong thoughts. This video was profoundly impactful to my heart. Specifically starting at the 50 minute mark and forward. I was actually brought to tears and then full on crying. 51-54 minutes was incredibly powerful. I’ve never thought of faith in this manner. The very thing that is ambiguous is the very thing that Christ uses to create a true relationship. In college philosophy classes Pascal’s wager is almost dismissed as some kind of elementary argument that isn’t worth much thought but now hearing much of the reasoning I think it’s an argument of great substance like I’ve never known before. I know all humans struggle at times wondering why keep going with my work? Is this worth my effort? Am I having a real impact? Just know this. This video has impacted me permanently, for the rest of my life. Your ministry is like water in the desert for those of us who wrestle with existential thoughts.

Dr. Ortland you have out done yourself this time. This is one of the best pieces of apologetics I’ve ever heard.

I am a Christian and I deeply respect and enjoy the extremely thoughtful and respectful discourse that Alex O'Connor brings every time he addresses a topic. I can't think of many other public intellectuals who have as much integrity as he does. I really do hope he sees this video and engages with it.

So excited to watch this. I’m currently writing a thesis on how Divine hiddeness and nonresistant non belief are addressed in Till We Have Faces. I have a high suspicion that this video will be very edifying for me in preparing to write.

I'd love to see a dialogue between Alex and Gavin. God bless you both.

I pray Alex’s current position and platform somehow serve to bolster the faith of Christians who interact with him, and that the Holy Spirit works from within to provide him with the “proof” he seems open to. Thanks Dr. Ortlund for this important work! And for being vulnerable enough to share your own moments of “darkness”. You strike a beautiful balance between apologetics and the very real experience of living the faith.

I’m an atheist that does consume Alex’s content, while I don’t find your thesis convincing I did really enjoy the effort and respect put into this video

I was an avowed atheist for 10+ years, studied science intently, and read everything Dawkins ever wrote. In 2015, I had a brush with death that I shouldn't have survived, and I had nothing to take away from it but sheer existential terror. Gradually, grudgingly, I came back to Christ and found that I never really stopped believing, I had just been angry at God for years. Once I fully committed to my faith, the beauty and symmetry of scripture began to click in a way that it hadn't before, thanks in no small part to channels like yours.

Man... I just have to thank you for this video Not only have you provided one of the most honest, and thoughtful reflections on this argument that I have ever seen from a theistitc perspective, but you have also disabused me of some notions that I have been unwittingly laboring under for far too long. You've earned yourself a new subscriber. Thank you!

Thank you so much Dr. Orlund! This video is my favorite one yet. The combination philisophical fluency and pastoral counsel in your videos really feeds my spirit. Whenever you mention your college self struggling with existential angst, I feel like you are talking to me. I'm 18 years old and have placed my faith in Christ for only a few years now. I've gone into deep seasons of despair where the fact that I have faith now seems like a miracle from God Himself. It is because of what God is doing through your ministry that my faith perseveres. I truly hope to meet you one day and shake your hand. God bless!

I have watched a few of Alex O’Connor’s debates with Bishop Barron. He comes across as someone who is genuinely seeking God. To me I don’t think Alex or anyone will come up with an answer that he will be satisfied with. His conversion will be very simple. Saint Augustine comes to mind. Too late have I loved you, O Beauty so ancient, O Beauty so new. Too late have I loved you! You were within me but I was outside myself, and there I sought you! In my weakness I ran after the beauty of the things you have made. You were with me, and I was not with you. The things you have made kept me from you - the things which would have no being unless they existed in you! You have called, you have cried, and you have pierced my deafness. You have radiated forth, you have shined out brightly, and you have dispelled my blindness. You have sent forth your fragrance, and I have breathed it in, and I long for you. I have tasted you, and I hunger and thirst for you. You have touched me, and I ardently desire your peace. (Confessions, X, 27, 38)

i'm an atheist, and it's nice to see a community that seems is respectful (hopefully) on both sides. i agree with alex on many points, and i watch these videos to check my own beliefs and if they will change (like i see some do here with alex's videos). great dialogue

Look forward to see this one! My book on this topic is in editing and translation process now.

This is my absolute favorite video you have ever done! You provided so much helpful insight and some unique perspectives to this question. Even as a Christian who struggles with doubt and a lack of palpable presence from God, this was so encouraging. Thank you for making this. And I would LOVE to see you and Alex interact more with this topic.

This is a masterful video Gavin. Thank you for putting the work in to bring us the much needed wisdom of Pascal and Kierkegaard in this day and age.

Thank you so much for this. People keep saying evil is the best argument against God, but this is way more pressing. Thanks again, and keep up the amazing content:)

I have become extremely fond of your videos Gavin! Your take on things is always extremely well thought out and careful. You truly walk the line between grace and truth. So fun to watch. Sidebar - you have an uncanny ability to come up with metaphors for things that help your viewers to understand complex topics. Just immensely helpful!

Youve been killing it with these videos lately! Ill have to watch this several times to really soak up this info.

There was a song by Sufjan Stevens that I listened to in high school a lot. It was about a woman with bone cancer, “Tuesday night at the Bible study, we lift our hands and pray over your body. But nothing ever happens.” That line deeply resonated with me when I was younger because of my struggle with Divine Hiddenness. I’m stoked to listen to the whole video. I’m a fan of Alex. And I’m so glad you’re jumping into this conversation. God bless you, Gavin. Keep doing what your doing, brother.

Hi Gavin, I just want to thank you for your ministry here on KZfaq. This video was so helpful to my faith. SO HELPFUL. I'm grateful that you're bringing all your learning and knowledge and sharing it here. It's so encouraging and helpful. A lot of the time you're answering questions for me that weren't the direct reason for the video. You mention something in passing that is so deep that really helps me. Thanks so much - this really helped think through some things in my faith.

Roman Catholic from Australia here. Encountered your channel as a result of your dialogues with Trent Horn. Thank you for this excellent video! God bless.

So appreciate the preparation and thoughtfulness and time you’ve invested in us your viewers. Thanks and may God bless all those who’ve made space in their life or organization for you to be able to spend life-time on us.

Loved your journal entry! 🔥 Also, such a powerful ending to the video. Thank you, this was a grace.

Divine hiddness secretly bothered me more than I've ever admitted. This video is such a blessing because I actually feel like I've heard reasoning about it that makes sense of it...I'll likely watch this again. Thank you, Gavin, I honestly feel like I can let my shoulders rest about it, so to speak..

Great video. Thank you for taking the time and putting it together.

God reveals himself to people in the ways that he chooses. To some first century people, he gave direct miracles. To a handful of his followers, he revealed his glory at the transfiguration. But to the scribes and Pharisees who demanded a sign, he said, 'An evil and wicked generation will seek a sign, but none will be given it but the sign of Jonah the prophet.' (Matthew 12:39) After the resurrection and Pentecost, he gives assurance to followers in the life in the Spirit. (Romans chapter 8) As a person who lived most of my sixty years of life as an atheist, I understand the temptation to rely on the intellect. But trust isn't primarily about the intellect. It's about being open to him being to Being, and not needing to have everything explained. When one surrenders one's identity and self-ishness, and is open to relationship based simply on being, then the Spirit is free to move in ways we could never have imagined, drawing us ever closer. And our relationship to other people and the world around us also changes, with love becoming the outcome.

To paraphrase something I once read from a commenter on another channel: “Non-resistant non-believers? I’m not even sure I’ve ever met a non-resistant *believer*!”

As someone who has heard the voice of God speak directly to me, and tell me in no uncertain terms what would happen in the immediate future if I stepped out in faith, and then had it confirmed when I indeed responded to His voice. I can tell you, that I *_still_* struggle with the "Problem of Divine Hiddenness", and this is something I don't think people consider enough. I have heard the voice of God, and yet now, 24 years later, I can look back at that time and doubt, "Did I _really_ hear God's voice?" "Am I misremembering?" "Was it just emotionalism?" "Did I exaggerate it out of my excitement?" so on, and so forth. See, when I am struggling with doubts and fears, I don't look back at that time I heard God's voice, because that just invites more doubts, and more fears... Rather, I look to the Word of God written down for us, through the ages, the Prophetic Word that has been tried and tested, and has shown itself true and faithful. I look to the Prophesies that spoke of the coming of the Messiah, and to those Prophesies fulfilled in Christ. That is the ground that I stand on. And whilst it is amazing when I do enter into, and experience mere glimpses of God's presence, and those experiences can give me strength in those moments to get through hard times, or face difficult situations. They are not what sustains my faith. "And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." ~ 2 Peter 1:18-21

Those who seek will find. God is at work in Alex’s life and if he is truly knocking, the door will be opened. Praise God! Great video Gavin!

This was one of my favorite videos of yours and I really lean on and enjoy much of your content. I sent this to several groups of men, young and old, especially the analogy of the king. Well done and thank you!

This is sooo interesting and helpful. Thank you Gavin! :)

Gavin, this was outstanding! I finally had the time to slowly watch and re-watch certain segments (Pascal and Kierkegaard take a minute to digest for us mere mortals). This was super rich in content and thought. One of the most helpful and reflective videos I've seen in a long time when thinking about this "uncertainty" myself. I have watched Alex for the last couple years and pray that God continues to move his will and not just his mind :) I'm willing to bet he will enjoy and respect a chance to dialogue with you soon on this. Your grace & humility is a needed game-changer in the apologetics space. Thank you 🙏

I’m genuinely thrilled to have stumbled upon your channel, and this video in particular has resonated deeply with me. The problem of evil and its intricate connection to divine hiddenness is something I ponder regularly. It’s intriguing to hear people casually suggest that if God truly existed, a ‘better’ universe could have been created. This often leads me to question, “How would that ‘better’ universe actually look, and in what ways would it be different from our current one?” I believe this topic isn’t explored with the depth and seriousness it deserves, which is why finding content like yours is so refreshing. It opens up a fascinating and complex discussion that challenges us to think more profoundly about these existential questions. Kudos to you for tackling such a thought-provoking subject, and a heartfelt thank you for speaking into this important conversation. 😊

Would love to see you do more videos like this!

Super appreciative of you both. It's very refreshing to hear an actual reasonable articulate argument from any non-Christian (especially an atheist) AND to then have a fellow Christian respect that intellectual honesty with that of his own. I firmly believe all truth is that of God and we shouldn't shy away from these opposing viewpoints but actively seek and dismantle them (in a loving way of course) God bless you both!

I was not expecting this video to be so worshipful. 17:59 hit me like a ton of bricks. This is one of your best videos, Gavin: so thoughtful and charitable, well researched, organized and clear. I will save this and reference people to it in the future. Are you planning on releasing this content/argument in another form, like a book or article or anything?

Thank you for covering this topic, it's one I have a great personal interest and emotional investment in. Pascal's wager was a game-changer in my walk. I couldn't agree more that this question is intimately human and relatable. I'm continually fascinated by the usefulness of art and metaphor in exploring it.

This was the first of your videos I’ve been able to get through, and I am so glad I did. You have eloquently put your finger on how we as finite beings could possibly relate to and understand anything about an infinite being. This video has strengthened my faith and given me hope for when God feels far away and hidden. Thank you for tackling this so thoughtfully.

Thanks Gavin for covering this completely under-worked topic! Great stuff to think about!

Brother, this was one of the best videos on the problem of Divine Hiddenness I think I have ever watched. You have a real knack for being able to express complicated subjects in more simple terms. I loved this, and I am also a fan of the existentialist view. Kierkegaard and Pascal were amazing thinkers.

Excellent treatment of the topic! Thanks for the important content you produce, Dr. Ortlund!

I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Thank you Gavin for speaking with so much respect, kindness and love! ❤

Apologists can't admit that God's behavior is precisely what we would expect from someone that doesn't exist.

Funny enough when I wasn’t a Christian the Divine Hiddenness argument always seemed the most persuasive. Much more than the problem of evil. Never felt any weight from that argument, not even as a kid. But this argument I’ve always thought was the best for a person like myself, but I still think it falls short of anything other than the subject’s first person persuasions and history. Alex is right. Kierkegaard is better. No one is to come to God by argument. Something else is in the pudding. God rest

Thanks Gavin for this deep and well thought out response. This was really needed.

This is such a good answer and video. Thanks Gavin for all you do! God bless you!

We need more discourse treated with respect like this

I am not one to exaggerate or over-spiritualize things, but I have had many intense and dark periods of spiritual suffering and spiritual attack. I’ve been angry at God, doubtful, complacent, filled with evil wishes, and more. But despite all this, my prayer is the same, that God will give me wisdom and keep me near Him. Each time I go through these dark spiritual times I end up stronger in my faith and more humble.

Gavin, thank you for your helpful material. As a believer who struggles with this topic, this was well-timed. In fact, it was just on Friday that I had an explicit thought how surprising it is that God's existence and the truth of the gospel aren't overtly obvious, and it seems like it should be for something this important -- probably the most important issue in all of human existence. I also appreciate that you didn't dismiss Alex's argument and took it seriously. He has done more than his due diligence in learning about Christianity, and I think it's extremely important that we give him the credit he deserves.

Love the reference to home alone😂. Also continue to love Gavin’s love for Lewis. A grief observed has incredibly strengthened me in my walk

This atheist argument is a Christian doubt that is quite familiar and powerful to a lot of people - this video will be a much appreciated resource!

This is amazing! I had such wonderful “eureka!” Moment watching this “faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.” Divine hiddenness required faith. Gavin, I have appreciated so many of your videos in helping me understand and deepen my walk with Christ. I have also been researching Catholicism and have found your work very honest, helpful, and comforting. Praise be to God! I had a mental connection moment between this topic and the topic of an infallible teaching magisterium. Many times I have heard the argument, “without an infallible teaching magisterium that would be we are just left to our own devices and God is not loving, so there must be an infallible teaching office.” The quote, “God wants a change of will, not of intellect” plays into this where the infallible magisterium would cause a change of intellect but not of will. Maybe some content for a more in depth analysis of this topic? I would love for you to do a video if you have time on this. Thank you and God bless. God is good.

This is so well articulated. These are wrestlings and questions I have had but never heard explained in this way. Thank you for your work!

Gavin,it is so refreshing to hear someone talking on this level! You are wonderfully clear and empathetic.

Been waiting for this one 👍🙏

Alex looks very honest. Pray for him.

Absolutely great video Gavin. I learned a lot, cause divine hiddenness was the argument I struggled with the most. I hope and pray that you can have a talk with Alex.

This was great. This is something I have struggled with in my seasons of doubt. I had never researched it very much and I found your explanations towards the end to be very convincing and I loved being introduced to Kierkegaard 's parable. I'm going to read that this week. Thanks.

I think this video just changed my life. Thanks

This idea is also beautifully dramatized in Till We Have Faces where one of the main complaints of the main character against the gods is their refusal to clearly reveal their nature and intentions to humans, giving her ambiguous signs and appearing both glorious and horrible.

This was an awesome video Gavin, thank you

I greatly appreciate your ability to not only provide solid information, but to healthily model how to share that information with genuine love and care. Also, I hope Alex O'Conner does dialogue with you one day soon.

This is the best response to this argument I have ever seen, hands down! Truly excellent 👏

Wow... God Bless you. I didn't even know there was an answer to this question.

Excellent presentation Gavin. Thank you!

God bless you Gavin. May the lord allow you to reach more people with your very usefull videos.

I would love to see you and Alex discuss this topic face to face.

Thank you for this video! It was very helpful for me. God bless!

Thanks so much for this, Gavin.

Thanks for this video, brother!

Just got around to watching this. It is so wise. Measured, reasonable, thoughtful and such good thoughts, many of which i had never considered. Very useful analogies

This is a great video! You make a really good point about imposing our expectations on what a loving God would do onto God. I remember Tim Keller saying, "God would answer every prayer you prayed if you wanted what he wants (e.g. what perfect Goodness wants) *and* knew what he knew, or something to that effect. Ive been toying around too with the difference the Biblical narrative makes in terms of a fit between the sense of divine hiddenness and the judgment of exile following the Fall. Namely, divine hiddenness--in its felt shape and force as a kind of existential barrenness--may well be the phenomenological "what it is like to be" of the Fall. Now, of course, one could argue that kicks the ball back--why did God permit such a Fall that would result in existential barrenness? But then the problem of divine hiddenness collapses at that point to the problem of evil, again.

Outstanding message, one of his best and they are all good. Thank you for your study on this subject and sharing it with us.

Those last two minutes of your discussion….Wow, felt the Holy Spirit speak to me. What do we have to loose? Amen, brother ❤

Wow! I'm going to echo many of the comments already made: 1 - Easily one of the best apologetics videos I've ever watched and I watch a lot of them! I have to admit that I had not heard about Gavin Ortlund before; I have now subscribed to his channel. 2 - Alex O-Connor is rapidly developing as the best atheist friend of many Christians As a passionate born-again Christian, I am also a big fan of Alex. It is refreshing to hear somebody who, at the same time, can be eloquent and determined about their own views while respectful of others' viewpoints and beliefs. A recent video of his on God's hiddenness had me quite a bit stumped. As I had been wrestling with that concept, even asking for God's help 😊, I feel it's been delivered in the shape of a fabulous response from Gavin Ortlund. I'd buy a ticket to an event to see those two debate or more appropriately converse.

These justifications of God's hiddenness seam built to help a believer get from 1 to 100, but as a nonbeliever I still need to get from 0 to 1. I sincerely claimed the title of Christian for 20 years. It was always described to me that being a Christian meant a relationship with Jesus Christ, a very literal relationship. And I saw this relationship evidenced in those around me. But a few years ago I realized I didn't have the same relationship claimed by my family. When I was honest with myself, the relationship I had claimed for so many years was entirely one sided, hardly something that could even be called relationship. It hurt a lot, but after a few days I admitted that I could not honestly call myself a Christian. With the new perspective this gave me, I looked back over my life and realized I had zero experience to tell me anything supernatural exists. I still need to get from 0 to 1 on these questions: - supernaturals existence - God's existence - Christian God's existence That's my story of divine hiddenness

This is an awesome response! I really felt it when Alex said one experience with God would be carried with him for his whole life. I had a very clear experiencing hearing God speak to me when I was 15 about something I was anxious about and I’ve never experienced anything like it since, but it has stayed with me forever. I will pray that Alex’s journey in life is only beginning and that he will still have this experience he’s searching for. Alex turning to Christ would be amazing for the world

Great to walk through with you these arguments! Thanks. (New subscriber).

I can't express how much I thank God for your channel.

I’m so glad you pointed out the hiddenness theme in scripture. I think it shows, like you said, that hiddenness has been an issue from the beginning and it is indeed apart of the judeo-Christian tradition. Lament psalms, lamentations, Job etc. have been an absolute lifeline for me for a long time because they give a MEANING to our experiences of hiddenness. It shows that hiddenness need not inexorably lead to atheism, but that indeed it is a genuine part of faith. I could give an even longer response on the possibility of hiddenness producing an even greater intimacy with God, but that would need a book. These experiences have the possibility of conforming us more deeply to the image of Christ, in ways that would not be possible without them.

I really appreciate your approach and hard work here. This topic blends apologetics and pastoral care and you serve that blend very well. Thank you!

Phenomenal treatment of the topic Dr. Ortlund, thank you. I appreciate how you explained the issue from the opposing side’s perspective thoroughly, clearly outlined your three theses, and finally made your case using so many insightful quotations from great thinkers like Pascal and Kierkegaard. Your analysis of their words and your own analogies are so good too. I’ve never appreciated the depth the issue of God’s hiddenness poses until now, and I completely resonate with the dark night of the soul scenario. Life is such a humbling thing, yet, as you say, it’s the great drama full of risk and adventure and ultimate reward. It’s scary, but also so good to be reminded of that truth.

This is excellent, thank you, Gavin! 😊

I have to say, I strongly disagree with what you term historical examples of divine hiddenness in Judaism and Christianity as it relates to the divine hiddenness argument. The word hiddenness is used in both cases, but it seems to be a clear conflation of unrelated ideas. In your examples, these are people that truly and strongly believe that God exists and are calling out to him to understand why they cannot see or feel him. They have what they feel is a sufficient warrant to believe a God exists, but don't understand why they can't seem to access him or see him working in the world. In the argument from divine hiddenness, it is referring to people that have searched for God and have realized they do not believe there is any God out there to call out to, that don't just feel their relationship is insufficient but that they have no warrant to think there is a relationship at all. As far as they can tell, however much they may WANT to believe there is a God that wants to have a relationship with them, that God does not exist. Being in such a position myself, I don't see any of what I believe and feel reflected in the quotes you have given. I don't see any way I could honestly cry out to a God to ask why I cannot see him, because I don't believe that God exists to cry out to. It would feel like mere play acting for the benefit of the Christians telling me that's what I'm supposed to do to gain access to the hidden truth of God they have access to, with the only likely outcome that if I still do not receive some revelation by which I become convinced that their God (or at least some theistic deity) exists, I will be blamed for being unable to call out sincerely enough to the very thing I don't believe exists. Admittedly, I can see why this argument would be much stronger and more convincing to myself knowing the interior of my mind and attitude than it would be to others. But I'd be much more impressed if Christians and Christianity had historically said that it was okay and reasonable to not believe that a God exists at all because sometimes he just wouldn't be apparent, even if encouraging people to accept a belief in their God, with the core of the message being the love of God for all people regardless of what propositions they are personally convinced are true. Unfortunately, the messaging is generally exactly the opposite of that.

I’m a devout Catholic but love this kind of stuff Dr. O! God bless

Very well done. Thank you for making this!

Thanks for tackling this, Gavin. I have experienced both times of great intimacy with God and times of debilitating doubt.

In regards to your comments that we can't place expectations on how God's love operates because he is so much greater than us, I think you are missing a key part of the argument from divine hiddenness. The argument is not that God is reaching out in the wrong ways that surprise and confuse us. It's that there is ALREADY an expectation in place (definitely at least in Christianity) that a perfectly loving God would not reject someone that desired a relationship with them, that he WANTS people to know he exists and what his nature is because he is good for the people he created. And that expectation is violated when people that would desire such a relationship find themselves with insufficient means provided of ANY type, regardless of what unexpected and surprising methods God could choose to use, in order to meet the bare minimum requirement for a relationship of being convinced that the other person involved in that relationship exists at all. A more detailed outline of this key part of Schellenburg's argument that I believe is explained more in another portion of the book is that this God is also defined as good, in fact being the very source of all goodness and life that exists. Given that, it seems contradictory to say that that God's goal was to create people in such a way that it was better for them to be unaware of his existence than to be able to relate to and access that very source of goodness and life itself. To deny this and say that our purpose to have a relationship with God is at odds with God's will is to assert that God willed to created some people such that it would be better for them to not know or even believe that he exists, that their ultimate good is something OTHER than God himself. Or that he created some people that he loves but for whom his purpose was not their ultimate good, or that he was unable to achieve their ultimate good.

This video is such a blessing Gavin, thank you! I just started reading Fear and Trembling by Kierkegaard! Very excited to encounter his ideas around faith :)

I LOVE THIS! Thank you Gavin! I’m ordering those 2 main books you referenced

Amen. This has to be one of the best apologetics videos I have ever watched.

1:33 in and you've already blown my mind. Your first argument is a MUCH better articulation of a thought I shared with my wife which was that the hallmarks of the hand of God is to provide enough evidence to prove His work, but to leave enough open to question to allow people to choose whether to believe or not. Funny enough I shared that with my wife specifically about the Shroud of Turin, haha looking forward to watching the rest of video, love your work Gavin, thank you

Gavin, as always I love your videos. Feels like your reading my mind with these topics and the way you handle these topics is refreshing. You’ve mentioned Existentialism a few times. Any plans for a video on Existentialism in the works? Specifically Kierkegaard?

Gavin… That was beautiful and brilliant. I too appreciate Alex and his thinking… And my heart aches for his struggle. I, like you, have bet on God.

Oh this is gonna be good. God bless Gavin

This is so helpful!

So glad you shared the milk maiden parable!!!! One of the most moving things Kierkegaard wrote. His book “Practice in Christianity” is still an all-time favorite next to Machen’s C&L.

I'm only 18 minutes in, and I'm hooked! VERY interesting - especially since most of my family is not saved. I don't believe that any would come at their unbelief from this angle, but perhaps God will use this to give me greater insight when next I have a Conversation.