man yeah the wallpaper company pulling her line is frustrating, it’s BECAUSE it’s a small business that they probably even looked at the situation from a personal perspective, it just kinda sucks

I think the problem might just be the way these communities don't actually care about anyone as an artist. The work doesn't matter to them, except as pretty windowdressing for the real "content," which is an influencer/personality/imaginary friend. If you look at it with that mindset, then it doesn't matter if one of them ripped off the other one's "style," since the style of their actual content is totally different, like one's aspirational and the other's relatable or whatever the dynamics are. The far greater crime would be saying something even-remotely mean about one of the other imaginary friends, when the only reason anybody liked you in the first place was that they thought you were "nice." And, obviously, when your art is just painting a green line on your wall, it doesn't help.

agree with this but also the moss mirror and the green blue palette situations were both shown to have been started by karin before taybeepboop posted her own versions of it. so like the point of 'ignoring and continuing to do it' i feel like isn't actually that strong, and i've interpreted the 'i didnt know she felt that way' as more of like. her thinking the dms were the end of it, since apart from the squiggles she did not purposefully follow any diys specifically. i think id be similarly Joker-like in tay's position. not only is having the same idea as someone else but being beaten to do it like HORRIBLY FRUSTRATING online since most of the time people will not pay the same attention to your effort because they've seen it before, it's got the economic side of it going on since the tiktoks are an income stream.

All this really puts into perspective the problems I have in my life versus what a lot of the people involved in this stuff have going on. Maybe I don't need to downplay my issues so much...

stoopoo doopoo kinda freaky ngl

6:27 on this point it's clear to me that "I didn't know that she was feeling like this" meant "I didn't know that this conflict was unresolved", like she thought after the DM exchange they were fine. I also have heard some claims that if you check the posting dates some of Kaaren's recent similar DIYS were started before Tay's videos on them came out. but otherwise yeah man exactly

I am a taybeepboop believer

"Can no one just do something wrong anymore? Do we have to diagnose everyone with Evil Bitch Disorder? " Absolutely brilliant, fantastic video

OMG YES, the narcissism thing!! Person breaks up with you "what a narcissist", person disagrees with you over something that doesn't even matter? "they are a narcissist". Person calls you out for a behaviour that was harming yourself or someone else. Well obviously they are a "huge narcissist". Someone has one bad day and acts like a bitch. "I always knew they were a narcissist". Or my favorite, a person sets a healthy boundary with you, "Why are you abusing me, you are a narcissist!" I have not been called one yet, but I see this all the time. The over abundance of people mis-using therapy speak has really gotten out of hand. There are real narcissists out there people...and muddying the waters of the real definition of narcissism only makes it harder for real narcissts to be called out or stopped.

I'm glad mothcub's longest video ever is about the housing crisis

People cancel people so they can feel like they're good people while being spiteful and malicious.

You pretty much summed up my thoughts on plagiarism to a T. They're competitors in the same genre on the same platform, so Kaarin mentioning who her inspirations come from would have been the courteous thing to do. It's a shame that a disagreement like this can snowball into dogpiling on social media.

While it seems Tay has a reason to be upset, she definitely took it out the wrong way by making it a public affair by resorting to what's essentially a Tumblr callout post. Honestly the best course of action would have been to just ignore it and move on. When James Rolfe was once asked at a convention what he thought about Chris Bores ripping off his Angry Video Game Nerd videos with Irate Gamer, James acknowledged the situation in what I think is the ideal way of dealing with it "I have no reason to answer it. He pretty much pretends that i don't exist, so why would i feel the need to say anything about him?"

I will say that I’ve seen videos made showing some of Karin’s designs were made before Taylor’s, such as the moss mirror, and that many of Karin’s designs started as one thing but turned into another bc the first thing wasn’t turning out. It’s not a simple black and white “this creator copied this creator” and it’s overall just such a petty squabble to be blasted out to all of TikTok. Just the weirdest intercommunity discourse I’ve seen in a bit lol.

I entered this video being firmly anti-taybeepboop, but now I don’t know what to believe… Have you considered a career as a defense attorney?

I enjoyed listening to you talk about diy tiktoker drama for 24 minutes very much. Also when i saw the former friends video i actually laughed & thought i was watching a satire vid for a second when she mentioned her video about the woods & tays bedroom lol bc it was such a reach, only to then realise she was actually being serious about that part 😭

As a writer and visual artist this story makes me insane. I can’t imagine losing a business deal because someone else plagiarized you and you got (rightly, imho!) upset about it. Like “oh we won’t sell your prints anymore because you called someone else out for selling your work unauthorized”. Bizarro world rules in effect to be sure.

Expecting an apology and then not accepting said apology seems on the nose for the way that the internet has streamlined the "cancel culture" cycle. (i know the term cancel culture is contentious i just dont know what else to call it) People mess up and make mistakes (and this one seems rather tame with low stakes, and shes partially in the right anyway) but the internet just wants someone to pillory. Once the tide was against her she didnt stand a chance and i feel really sorry for her.

You broke this down BEAUTIFULLY.

diy dinosaur heads to credit card debt in 15 minutes. bravo

>I invented having a plant in the shot, by the way. You can't copy me with that one. Mothcub/Mia Mulder drama incoming?????

this is the whitest discourse i've ever seen... and im here for it. im a tay tay head, how fucking dare she

This is why I love the internet there are just insane microcosms of niche internet group dramas. This video is like watching the tip of an iceberg float past.

@ 8:26 him asking if they are real bristles so excited! I’m glad they found each other

i feel at peace knowing that any beef i had with anyone, it was never as petty as this omg

god i hate that fucking take that unless somebody grew up in destitute poverty they can't have struggled financially at some point in their life.

"I invented having a plant in the shot." - Mia Mulder would like to have a word... :)

Tay's complaints really fall apart when you check timestamps though, Kaarin posted about at least the mirror and kitchen before Tay posted about hers

This is one of my favourite KZfaq videos

Everything is reference on reference. This is as much a copyright infringement/ plagiarism as Phoebe Bridgers song is to an Elliot Smith song. Making DIY content should inspire others to make similar things ( I understand the issue is with a creator monetizing, not on people doing her DIYs)- acknowledging the inspiration would be right thing to do though. Especially funny on tiktok, a medium almost completely reliant on replication and memes. If they were irl interior design/ decorator competitors in the same city this would be a different conversation. The original content creator is a *big* content creator, would also feel differently if this were someone with less of an audience and zero credit

There has to be some larger force making ppl act like this im perplexed and kind of scared. Not just the people doing the videos but the people who don't have any real relationship to them making little comments trying to get them to perform some kind of display of contrition.

This is a well-made and captivating video for something I would not want to touch with a football-field length pole. Edited to add: the concept of "evil bitch disorder" is a genuinely helpful thinking tool for how we approach humans and I thank you for your breakthrough.

Great stuff

Let's go 24 min hahaha the longest video on this channel?? I'm stoked

You know, it really seems like the issue is that, if you're going to run a DIY channel, you either need to bring your own projects to the table, or loudly and publicly state that you are doing a project inspired by someone else, with redirect info, when that's the case. Which it clearly was? I mean... Tay isn't wrong. The whole is stupid by inclusion of the public, but between the two of them, Tay has genuine grievance and whatserface isn't respecting the unspoken inspiration contract artists have.

great video, though i believe some snobbish background jazz music would make it just a little better

If you open a market stall and sell bird themed stained glass, and another person sells fish themed stained glass, then there's no issue despite it both being stained glass. It caters to different niches, and you will have similar but different audiences. Both lovers of stained glass, but one audience prefers birds, and one prefers fish. But if you open your bird stained glass market stall, and then a couple months later someone else opens a bird themed stained glass market stall, and a lot of the designs are similar, then it becomes an issue. As that person is cutting in on your audience, and causing you to lose money. Now imagine you confront that person and say, "Hey, I've been doing bird stained glass for a while now, and a lot of your designs look like mine, could you stop selling bird stained glass here?" Because you want them to either do their own thing, or just go to a different market so they're not taking your customers. Now imagine after saying that, their customers and some of your customers, and even a lot of bystanders start to get mad and verbally berate you because "you said this artist can't use birds in their art! Does everyone need permission to draw birds now??" And that's this whole situation, but it's a social media interior designer's designs being taken by another social media interior designer. They can both be colorful and quirky interior designers, that is a wide enough niche that they can have similar but different audiences. It's the "one person made a design and shared it online, and the other did the same design a week later without any credit, and got just as popular off of it." One person is creating the design themselves, and the other is using the design and not crediting it. Like I'm sorry, but "green squiggle art wall" or "every single inch of my room is a different gradient" is NOT a common DIY idea. We're not talking about "she painted her cabinets after I painted mine :(".

this is all really trendy right now ..... Its the new white and beige with plants everywhere scandi inspired stuff

That blue and green are Seattle Seahawk colors. There are loads of houses painted outside like that here. Ugly as hell.

I'm so glad you justified the jealousy people are saying she must have, I think we forget that its okay to be jealous

the plant is beautiful

im a big fan of you using specifically the ff8 model of cerberus

How can a monster head be realistic if monsters aren't real, tho?

Come on wallpaper company. She was mildly shitty online. Why you gonna cancel orders that were already paid for?

Do It Yourself! No, Not Like That!

Very good video

thank you, mothcub, for filming with a plant in the middle of the frame. really emphasizes the actual star of the video

I wish we had this level of depth in coverage for mid century interior designers

I don't have tiktok or care about interior design, but I have now watched at 24 minute video about it and am emotionally invested in this drama.

Having that tree in the shot is clearly copying from The Happening

The lesson here is to never post your gripes online, at min you can be a bit shady but that is it.

Wait until Nickelodeon hears about all of this.

PLEASE MAKE A SEXY KIRBY ANIMATION MY ROOMMATE IS IN HEAT

1:58 🎶Lead me to the land🎶🎶that you understand🎶🎶Discourse man🎶

both of their designs are fug but that jewelry set you are wearing is so pretty

Poverty is pretty srs

I'm grateful for your compassion towards Tay in this video. I think it's unfortunate that there aren't more tiktoks out there in defense of Tay, or showing any empathy. I found maybe 4, which is nothing compared to all the videos defending Kaarin (while being kinda mean and nasty about it). Unfortunate because it seems that people refuse to see any nuance, to even try to understand her perspective, but chose to make her a villain because she didn't handle this well and Kaarin is.... a nice girl.

can't believe u were doing this instead of responding to my beautiful 'me' tiktoks 😡😡

This is why I’m never getting a tiktok.

It's a tale as old as humans have been a thing. An opposition is started splitting the people into two groups blindly defending what they think is right and blindly attacking what they believe is wrong. I came into this video thinking that I disliked Tay because I only saw one side of the argument and chose to blindly believe what was being said on my for you page. But after watching this video, I have yet again come back to the realisation that I have to think for myself and I have to actively seek out information to actually have a valid opinion on topics such as these.

I will meticulously copy this video so you can make a call out video about me

I really don't care about this. This story or the moral or societal implications don't even raise my interest. Drama bores me to tears. I just like how you tell stories.

p lant

Your indoor plant has more screen space than you do

ummmmm did you think we wouldn't notice that you stole this entire video from Swell Entertainment????

Are you imitating Mia Mulder? 👀

:)

I actually found the monster heads the most egregious. It's the most unique thing and was oddly ripped off.

Plagiarism is such an interesting problem, because I’m tempted to give it a bit of a pass and blame its more negative aspects (or results thereof) on the manufactured precarity of capitalism, but there has to be an emotional aspect to it, too. If I saw someone being praised for copying my own work without adding anything to it, I might feel a twinge if jealousy (especially if I were hungry) Ultimately, I think it does come down to “imitation is the greatest form of flattery” for me. If someone else takes what you’ve made and builds off it, maybe even improves it, well it still started with you. And if everyone was well taken care of, then it wouldn’t be so bad. Dang it, back to “capitalism bad” again. Shucks, capitalism! Cut it out already!!

these content creators need to learn that some things should be in the dark I don't think anyone needed to know about credit card debt via economically irresponsible parents or the fact that some girl hates her former hs friend

Oh my god how do I make you go away?

I honestly think the idea that creative concepts can be owned at all needs to be challenged more aggressively. As a matter of principle, I think this kind of copying is just fine. The copier here should've been open and unapologetic about it instead of lying and deflecting, but what are we even doing if we're supposedly trying to inspire others, but also monopolizing and claiming ownership of that inspiration? Ultimately, creators shouldn't be considered entitled to an audience or credit or profit. That's a controversial statement, but there are no shortage of creators in it for passion and fun and boredom other miscellaneous correct reasons. As the ultimate consumers of these ideas and videos, why shouldn't we adopt a morality that leads to the greatest copying and mixing and general creativity? There's already too much content for us to ever consume, and even if a number of creators leave because the space becomes inherently unprofitable, that will still be true. The internet would benefit from a return to a space where ordinary people share ideas because they can, not because they want to build a brand. Let plagiarism reign. It's better that way.

As I’ve heard somewhere else ,an influencer is mad she influenced someone …. Ummmm ok girl. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

I'm kinda sick of internet people saying plagiarism as if they discovered the cure for cancer. as if """""originality""""""" in itself is worth anything.

I have no idea who these people are but from what I've seen Tay did nothing wrong.

I should've click "do not recommended this channel" earlier, thanks for reminded I was still subscribed to this channel, tell me you haven't been to Pinterest without telling me that, these idea are YEARS old before any of those creators ever had a platform, also Mia Mulder is way better than u would ever be

Gettin lotsa great ideas for my diy arc here, thanks