No love for Mephiston?

Mephiston needs a hug, but seems as though he wouldn’t appreciate a hug.

Mephiston is that child you say you love because you have too, but you're secretly afraid of

I'll take a hug if you are handing them out

You can ask Vulkan to do that for you. I'm sure he would love the opportunity to deliver primarch level hugs.

I’m okay with that if it means a plot with that much potential makes it into post-Cadia 40k.

I’ve actually been trying to write a story involving Trazyn having to release the beings in his collection in order to defend it from an invasion, and the Fulgrim clone would effectively take command of the escaped prisoners and unite the Astartes that were released into his own Legion which uses pilfered Necron technology as part of their arsenal. I wanted to call it the Legion of the Damned since following the traitor Fulgrim effectively meant they betrayed the Imperium, but I don’t wanna get sued over copyright issues or something.

I very much want a Fulgrim face-turn storyline.

@@JPLOWMAN2 But that name's taken. Let's just call them Prettyface and Friends.

That would never happen, but it would be amazing if it did.

Nicholas Fallbrook now that is a GOOD and incredibly scary Theory.

Horus paused

When did you speak to William King?

@@JPLOWMAN2 after he wrote the second macharius novel the discusion focused on the nature of cloning

Yeah but the original Horus was created, not much more then a clone.

@@oatlord He was created by the Emperor, and it evidently was not easy, because he managed to make only twenty. They were not simple clones. More likely their souls were also handcrafted by the Emperor, or perhaps their souls are even parts of Emperors own.

I am Spartacus. No, *I* am Spartacus! *I'm* Spartacus, and so is my wife! -Angron, Angron and Angron, 347-M42.

@@MrMortull Ironically, Angron isn't actually Spartacus, his Nucerian father figure was Space Spartacus, Angron just killed him due to the Nails.

Involving (Blame) Lorgar or that gamma-irradiated Conan the Barbarian known as Angron?

Could you build a cyberdong generating machine out of souls?

You think the Clones have Cyberdongs?

Necrons would facepalm so hard learning that such thing could have existed.

Brandon Aughtman he has the mind until he ascended. That does not mean he is corrupted, just that he retains those memories thus why he showed regret.

I personally believe fulgrim's soul is still stuck in the painting due to the fact that "fulgrim" needed eldar soul stones and part of Perturabo being to ascend so the clone if ever freed might be able to reclaim that soul

I was just thinking about that.

This is not the first time someone has done a video within a week or 2 of Arch or someone else's lore video on the same topic.

Didnt like the horus clone part of that video or the lack of talking about the fulgrim clone. It just wasn't accurate to what happened or that it seems the cloning was prefected.

I will add that I love the salty channels. Outer circle, Arch, command centre wargamming and the great Comissar Gamza. If your morale and testosterone levels are low just check out Gamza.

Im missing something what video?

Solid argument up until the "Bile doesn't count". Of course he counts, he does not actually transfer his consciousness, for all we know he just copies his brain onto a wraithbone spike and uploads it to other bodies. Aside from that, Fulgrim's clones had all of Fulgrim's memories. So if Bile has a soul because he transfers his personality and experiences, why would Fulgrim not have one if he has the same personality and experiences?

@@SmokerX91 I honestly don't know, perhaps, (keeping with the simile I used above) while the cloned primarchs are photocopies, and thus somehow inferior, Fabius just changes the frame of his painting when it rots.

Well I think we need to make a distiction between soul and memory. The souls is a presence felt in the Warp its connection to it so it unique per individual/clone, memories could be transmitted geneticaly through DNA (Similar to Assassin's Creed) So in a way each clone has its own distinct soul, but the same memories of the individual whose DNA was used to create the clone. Also depends when the genetic matterial was first taken.

sim, é Carlos o Degenerado.

Yes

The Original Fulgrim blasts that clone out of disgust.

@@NetMoverSitan Fulgrim: "Not remotely gay enough!"

More like Fabulous Bile

@@NetMoverSitan No way! This clone came out singing Show-tunes. Send him to the Noise Marines and you'll get a major assault troupe that lays waste to the enemy with Hammerstein!

The original might not be pleased with the clone.

It would be very interesting to see what a Loyalist Fulgrim would get up too. Could certain Legions of "Questionable" lineages once again March under the banner of their gene father?

@@MediumRareOpinions It can't be a coincidence one of the recently introduced chapters is called Sons of The Pheonix. Without a shadow of a doubt Cawl was already using traitor gene-seed and just asked Gullimen because he wanted to make it official.

The Greatest Rogue Trader Theres a difference between not having a soul and having a soul that is different from the original and the other clones. If anything those examples could be evidence that clones do have souls (of their own, not the original).

Really kinda doubt that having a soul means anything when it comes to having intellect. All you need it intelligence to do that.

@@heathenpride7931 Souls mean everything in this setting. Would the chaos gods not have figured out to manufacture false souls and create an infinite number of Horus level troopers to crush their enemies? But instead, they wait to recycle already damned souls for their plans. Thus, unless the chaos gods, all four of them haven't figured out that clones have souls, why would they wait and have such limited number of Chaos Space Marines, Dark Eldar, and whatever chaos cultists where they could just get Fabius Bile to mass create disposable, obedient, warmaster level troopers and absorb their tasty clone souls afterwards?

The Greatest Rogue Trader Okay first off, when did I say souls weren’t important? Secondly, the whole idea that each clone has their own unique soul isn’t disproven by what you just said. Under this theory of mine Creating a clone, soul wise, wouldn’t be copying it would be making a new soul.

@@heathenpride7931 No evidence that each copy has a fresh new soul either. Also settle down, wasn't accusing you of being wrong or anything. You would think that the few who could notice souls being created (The Emperor, The Chaos Gods, possibly the Eldar) Would they not try to exploit, prevent, or even use this knowledge to further their own ends? For example, if The Emperor knew that cloning gives new souls to these clones and that creating what amounted to disposable soldiers, would he had given Corvus Corax the permission to clone new soldiers? He detested the Chaos Gods, why would he feed them with a theoretical infinite food source? Why wouldn't the Chaos Gods not sustain themselves with cloned souls if each clone made a new unique soul? They already swayed a geneticist to make clones, so why not do that en masse? The Eldar complain that they are few in number. If clones gave new souls, why not just make new brethren and alter them a bit to be completely unique and overrun the galaxy?

It would be pretty cool if the creators could come together a bit but there's a fair bit of disdain between a fair few of them. I'd love to see Arch and theories do some brainstorming on stream.

Identical twins are genetic clones so yeah even clones in 40k must have them unless the writer didn't study genetics in which case you're gonna see dehumanization at its finest.

I'm so glad that Warhammer 40K fans watch the same KZfaq videos.

Robert Nelson there’s 5 good warhammer KZfaq channels, and only 4 of them actually post anymore. We don’t have many options

@@fort809 And Arch Warhammer isn't one of them.

So what.

Collin Buckman idk about that one chief

I touch up on them a little more in my video about the Underhive Spirits

Yes, it is purely coincidental.

@@40KTheories great minds think alike!

Well,well,well If it isn't the Chaos Lord Brian Peppers!

Seems to me that primarchs are indeed more of a warp entity( a sort of greater deamon/deamon prince). Only they are grafted unto a genetic template, so they become a sort of self sustaining warp entity( like the emp himself, that does make them kind of his sons although they were made in a lab.). prob the reason why those warp parasites called the chaos gods fear/hate the emperor and the primarchs so much. The emp achieved a mastery of the warp those parasites prob never will. I allso doubt that the emp bargained with those parasites, he prob fought them in the warp to claim a part of the warp for himself, so he could use it to create his own warp entities(primarchs) and to try to destroy them maybe. Like the "chaos gods" do in the great game, they fight each other all the time. So the emp fighting in the great game could be seen as gift to them , at least to the more fight oriented warp parasites. And the warp does not have an objective truth, so maybe there are several truths.

Coincidental timing (check the community tab about this :) )

Ninjabread Man you’d be wrong.

I do record and upload my videos several weeks in advance. This one for example was uploaded on the 22nd of July

My fanon for why geneseed needs to ‘mature’ is that it requires time to copy the genetic memories related to beating the second heart, responding to the high-speed neurons, and etc. When it is implanted, these genetic memories essentially program the host brain cells to reproduce the information. This would also explain why Astartes forget most of their previous lives.

Soooo

What are your thoughts? How do you think such a meeting could occur? As much detail as possible would be much appreciated.

That’ll probably be due to the initiation ritual of the exorcists where they undergo daemonic possession and exorcism to render their souls invisible to warp predators

Why don't you call on a thousand son to help with your demon problem

in 40k philosophical questions can be turned into guns and swords and armor, look at psychic weapons and the electronic hoods Space Marine Librarians wear to shield their minds and all the gear of Grey Knights

I wonder if the 'perfect' clone Fulgrim actually contains a part of Orignal Fulgrim soul that represent the good personality aspects of Fulgrim that was left behind when Fulgrim escape the painting that he was trapped in by the daemon in the laer blade after he killed Ferrus Manus. The Fulgrim that became a daemon prince has the negative personality aspects of Fulgrim and the clone Fulgrim has mostly the positive personality aspects.

No, it's detailed within the short story "Extinction" _Her spirit is a tight, tiny essence in her inactive core; the only iota of sentience and life within the immense hulk. This soul, as true as any human life despite its artificial genesis, slumbers in the infinite cold_

A machine with a human soul? That reminds of the exo from destiny I'm rusty with destiny lore but they basically they used souls from existing humans you can branch with is it a copy or the original does it even matter? Thing like sorry if I'm a bother. Also there is a black library contest don't know if you are aware

Uh, if it's your story, you can decide that for yourself. You don't have to listen to anyone else.

Well, it’s mostly making sure I have appropriate background knowledge of what is allowed and what is hard fact within the universe. Sometimes there’s a lot of leeway, sometimes there’s a very exacting yes and no within a property. 40k has a lot going on. It can be very hard to know what is bendable, and what is breakable.

Gwiber WurmChild Very true. I just want to know any specific reference I should know within the 40K universe.

listener 2920 I think it would matter if something is completely synthesized and is an algorithm or somethings actually generating real emotion and therefore being fed upon or being linked into the warp with a psyche unless it’s a true null. The thing about a lot of mechanicus technology is that it relies on combining biological and mechanical parts. so even if you are tapping into some dark age technology some of the artificial intelligence might actually be from a biological are close enough to be ‘real’ It seems that physical reality even without psyche can be corrupted but you still need an origin point that tears reality usual what a strong connection to the warp such as a psychic usually organic creature. If you could have somebody with potential psychic ability imprint strongly on a machine capable of holdings imprints like a Knights armor or Titan; is that truly different enough from the technology which made true dark age AI. Actually I think I’m answering a lot of my own questions. Thanks for the response. If I can make decent enough dialogue, I might be able to enter something to a black library some day. God emperor knows I need an editor.

The Alpha Legion stole it.

The art is by SlaaneshGoddess (link in the video description)

@@40KTheories tnx bromech keep ur mechidites up

That's a good point, genetic memory kind of like in Dune.

Dedrick Howell or even the in canon Orkoid race.