If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads. If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.

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TXG did this exact video. The fake (TM made for) versions are not the same shaft, not even close. Velocore technology is what makes the Ventus line so consistent and the fake ones do not use Velocore technology

The non Velocore version is mass produced in China. The real Ventus's are made in small batches in Japan with much much tighter quality control

Thanks for the feedback Robert, appreciate you taking the time. I'd love to share my data, but hand on heart I know it's nowhere near as reliable as Neil's. Shots will need to be removed, which raises questions about the shots left in being a fair reflection of the shaft and not my performance. We've tried a decent amount of amateur testing before but it always raises questions about reliability. For now at least would you agree, is it useful to have some input from me, based on my slower speed, but without a direction comparison in data?

@@todaysgolfer I think you are correct on most parts but remember most of your audience are normal golfers the masses hit 80-90 mph with about 3000 spin. I am always interested in James Robinson has a mid handicapper visit his show so would rick Sheils and I love gabe (let’s play thru) but his swing speed is at 95-100 and a single digit he’s better then most average golfers…but he’s all we have…It’s important. TXG has Matt that slows down his swing even hits left handed. But it’s not as good.

Understand why you might think this, but we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't point out the after market Ventus and Ventus TR are made out of different materials compared to the none VeloCore model. It's because both shafts use Pitch 70 Ton (Ultra High Modulus carbon fiber) and 40 Ton (High Modulus carbon fiber) that make them premium and more expensive. The TR also has material spirally wrapped around the shaft high up to stiffen torque, reduce twist and validation. Which the none VeloCore models also don't have.

Thanks for the feedback. Neil is playing the Ventus Blue 60 X, Simon has the Red 50 R. You really need to give them a try, the different structures aren't just about speed, you can also tailor feel and ball flight preference with them too. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the feedback Niels, appreciate you taking the time. Not just based on the results of this test, but on everything we've learned about premium models, we're leaning towards the premium option, so long as you can afford it and take the time to find that one shaft you absolutely love. Don't just buy the popular option to massage an ego. We were surprised the data stacked up like this, there's likely to be times when you're not swinging well that it won't but if we were looking at spending our own cash, we'd be seriously focused on finding a premium option that suits our game.

@@todaysgolfer Thank you very much for the response👍. It's really helpful in my decision process. From your comments it sounded like going premium was a doubtful decision...😅 I now lean heavily towards the TSR3/UB6 combo - I've been fitted/demo day fitted with Paradym Triple Diamond and Mizuno ST-X 230 as well, but the TSR3/UB6 combo was neck and shoulders above in performance, and feel was just love at first swing 🥰

If you feel the Ventus Blue is a little sloppy in the mid-section start by hitting the TR Blue, it sounds like you could be a decent candidate for it. We'd only start looking at Black or Black TR if you really wanted to lower ball flight and or spin...it's pretty demanding.

Thanks Andy. Fujikura let us have the Ventus and Ventus TR with Callaway hosel adaptors, so we couldn't swap to a competitor head model without ending up comparing apples to pears, rather than apples to apples. Hope that explains.

The non velocore version isn’t the same shaft. It’s a mass produced cheap shaft with the same graphics. No comparison.

What did you end up getting ?

Thanks for your input Adrian, for sure any premium shaft is a hefty investment.

@@todaysgolfer As ever it's a personal choice isn't it. Probably 15-20 years ago now I went to Golf Principles and Jason MacNiven fitted me for some new custom fit shafts in my driver, woods and hybrids. They did make a big difference over the stock shafts I'd been fitted for locally and as you've said in your video I did keep them for a number of years and only changed them when my swing speed decreased as I got older. In general custom fitting has come a long way since then and the choice manufacturers give now is far greater, often at nil cost so personally I'd want to make sure shafts like the ones you've tested were a significant improvement over what else was available in their custom fit range. Fortunately I have found a very good club fitter locally (Gary at Bromsgrove Golf Club) who has just custom fitted a new Stealth 2 driver for me after my swing has changed following a series of lessons with my club pro so I'm looking forward to trying that out as the numbers we produced on the day were very encouraging.

@@Bazza47 Completely agree Adrian. Great you've seen gains and recognised when you've needed to move on thanks to swing/speed changes. Also good too hear you've found a club fitter you feel you can work with.

If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads. If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.

I love the Ventus blue stock shaft on my driver and 3W but never compared to the Velacore version. I was told the stock options are very similar and the colour simply changes from year to year to fit in with the new colour schemes , the number and letter combinations say if it stiff/medium and what the trajectory is. So if you compare a stock shaft with the same colour velacore they won’t necessarily have the same characteristics. That said I think delivery and swing path is most crucial for my accuracy. I think you need to be a v consistent golfer to get an advantage from the premium shafts, having once tried a velacore shaft.

@@adrianlovett3483 Thanks for sharing, appreciate you taking the time.

Thanks Frank, appreciate your feedback. You really should get along to a decent fitter and try them yourself. If you like a stouter, almost harsher feel the Ventus Blue TR could be a good starting point.

Go with the Ventura Pro XTD. Best one for sure.

Great question Cameron. The after-market Ventus and Ventus TR both have the VeloCore structure, and the logo is printed on the shaft tip, just above the hosel. The Ventus that Fujikura make for the current TaylorMade Stealth 2 driver, fairway and hybrid, don't have the VeloCore structure, so essentially it's a OEM version, made from less expensive materials. Hope that explains.

@@todaysgolfer thanks! That would be the same OEM shaft in the Wilson Dynapwr drivers then too. Whilst I get it now, Funikura have created confusion in doing that (maybe intentionally???)

@@cameronloveless1751 It's pretty much usual practice Cameron. Brands will make a premium after-market shaft made of the best materials available, then also offer an OEM version at a reduced price and slightly lower grade materials. It's so brands can hit a price point on their drivers.

Hi Chris, we don't have locations for all fitters, but we'd seriously recommend contacting the good people at Precision Golf in Surrey, or Golf Principles in Basingstoke. Completely appreciate both are a heck of a trek from Woodhall.

The TR will have a stouter feel Bobby. All Ventus shafts have stiff tip sections to aid dispersion on off centre hits. Hope that helps.

In terms of dispersion Fujikura say it doesn't matter if you hit the centre more often or not with a premium shaft. They talk instead about the additional stability coming into play on off centre hits.

@@todaysgolfer Thank you!

If we had the Ventus and Ventus TR with TaylorMade hosel adaptors, we of course would have done this. On this occasion the shafts came with the Callaway adaptor, so there was zero point in comparing the shafts using two different driver heads. If we can get hold of the Ventus and Ventus TR with a TaylorMade adaptor, we will have a look at this for sure.