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The Scapegoat Club

The Scapegoat Club

Күн бұрын

Thank you so much for watching. If you are dealing with a toxic relationship, please look after yourself and get professional help if you are able.
Please drop me a line below to tell me what you think, what your experiences are and if there is anything you’d like me to cover. I can’t do this without your support. Please like and subscribe if you enjoy the content. And if you can make a financial contribution towards making the videos, no matter how small, please check out www.patreon.com/thescapegoatclub.
Much love, Chess xxx
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This is a personal account of my experiences. I am not diagnosing anybody in my family as narcissistic. If you are in danger of physical abuse & harm, from others or yourself, please contact your local emergency services immediately.
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@Anna-ky7ix
@Anna-ky7ix 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this perspective from an estranged adult child. I am the parent whom was unwillingly estranged but, it was the catalyst I needed to see that the relationship wasn’t working for my daughter as well as it was for me in my own limited views and needs. I made her my whole world and that was too much pressure on her and she couldn’t lead her own life without feeling bad or guilty about my happiness. I am and have and will continue to work on me and being happy and fulfilled in my life with support and friends now and not relying on my daughter for these things because I never should have. I just hope she will give me the chance to establish a new and healthy relationship that feels good to her now. I love and miss her so much and I know it is as painful for her as it has been for me but, for different reasons. So thank you so much for sharing how important it is for parents to come to the table to learn and grow and understand their childs perspective in the relationship dynamic they have with them.
@Dontnegotiatewithterrorist
@Dontnegotiatewithterrorist 9 ай бұрын
Anna we all need to hear about the tearful reunion between you and you daughter. I have never heard a more contrite confession of an estranged parent than the one I just read. If you and your daughter aren’t reconciled then there is no hope for anyone else. Best of luck to you, I hope it all woks out.
@8MC8342
@8MC8342 8 ай бұрын
I agree with @Dontnegotiatewithterrorist! I wish my mother was as willing to be as self-reflective as you are. To take accountability as you seem to be. As well as put in the work to make the necessary changes. It is heart-warming to see. My mother either acts completely indifferent or is determined to keep the status quo. I hope things work out for both you and your daughter ❤❤
@ClosetLady
@ClosetLady 8 ай бұрын
@@8MC8342 Thank you so much! I hope so, I continue to give her space and hope that she will be willing to let me know what she needs from me in order for the relationship to healthy and good for her. I am heartbroken and miss her so much but, also do not want to pressure her in anyway. As clearly the relationship didn’t feel good to her in some way and I missed that and only want to be a support for her in the ways that feel best to her going forward. I appreciate the kind words so much💖
@BrittanyP-1976
@BrittanyP-1976 5 ай бұрын
That made me cry, but I know what you're saying is very true. I just miss her too my very core. It's been 9 years
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 20 сағат бұрын
@@BrittanyP-1976 then overhaul your character, apologize, and offer specific ways to make it right with her. you just feeling sorry for yourself and acting like that's the end of your responsibilities is dishonest and weak. get up, do what's right, and fix the problem. and yes, you know what her grievances are.
@ryanbehrman
@ryanbehrman Жыл бұрын
I admire your courage to put this out, and your willingness to give space for helping estranged parents to begin to heal a relationship. Sadly in some cases the message won’t and can’t land (for example in extreme narcissism) and so it’s hopeless even trying. In such cases I believe it’s best to walk away forever.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Thank you. and yes, I do realise it's unlikely to make much of a difference. But for the few who can hear the message, maybe it will help....
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
@@netty3767 You really need to examine yourself. Your daughter might be a Narcissist but that doesn't mean you aren't one as well. If your daughter was the Narcissist then she would likely want you around to abuse. Instead she walked away while you are claiming to be the victim. That's a super common dynamic when it's the parent who is the Narcissist...
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Жыл бұрын
@@netty3767 "i'm not perfect" ... no one ever mistakes you for perfect, don't worry. time to retire that old deflecting phrase and start taking responsibility. no, it's not "cruel" for a woman to protect her daughter from a nasty grandparent. you shared no specifics or dialogue between you. you're vague, using very emotionally based talk rather than facts. that is a classic red flag of an abuser's talk.
@JohnSmith-ks5xw
@JohnSmith-ks5xw 10 ай бұрын
@@ellyk8834 This!
@cheesecakefan4880
@cheesecakefan4880 10 ай бұрын
No There is Always hope and people can and do change It takes 2 ppl to make a relationship work.
@LindyLouCantu
@LindyLouCantu 5 ай бұрын
You have the most kind, compassionate and fair attitude from any estranged adult child that I've ever seen. The way you present your ideas to estranged parents is non-judgmental and does not condemn, but rather provides loving insight into suggestions that can bridge the gap. The fact that you acknowledge that every situation is different, allows for the many scenarios that have played out amongst estranged parents and children. I applaud, admire and respect your very evolved perspective. Thank you for sharing your helpful, wise and hopeful thoughts.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Your comment is so kind it gave me chills! I get a lot of negative feedback about being distanced from my parents, so thank you for seeing past that. 💗
@LindyLouCantu
@LindyLouCantu 5 ай бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub ❤Truly, you are doing an incredible job and have such an amazingly balanced and fair perspective, that goes far above most I've seen. There are a lot of one-sided KZfaqrs out there, especially on this severely painful topic. I think the subject is just so tragically raw for both sides, that it is difficult to hear anything that strikes a nerve. Everyone is at different levels of their understanding and ability to process ways that they could afford to improve or gain perspective for the other side. So, it is certainly absolutely nothing that you are doing wrong, whatsoever. It's just the ability of people in pain to widen their perspective enough to attempt to understand another side. You are a rare, compassionate gem in this horrendous world of estrangement and very brave to share your wisdom and advice, given how reactive we can all feel at any given time while navigating this heartbreaking circumstance! Keep doing what you're doing! You have a beautiful soul and spirit! And what you have to say is helpful, needed and kind!
@runemrick
@runemrick 5 ай бұрын
The cause of the break could be on either end, but there is a much lower cost to the child. The child likely has their own family all around them. They are comparatively fine. They won't feel it for years, but children learn, and the behavior they witness will become their normal. In twenty or more years, the child may find themselves in the same spot they left their parent.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 20 сағат бұрын
"there is a much lower cost to the child" lol. yeah, no. nice try at a pity party tho. X) if the offspring screws up like you did, maybe they will end up estranged from their own children. if they parent well, then they likely won't. it's not some crapshoot. haha
@runemrick
@runemrick 20 сағат бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969, you didn't address the argument and know nothing of my situation, but I guess it isn't hard to see who the reactionary is in your particular case. For what it's worth, we've reconciled. I hope things work out for you too. Have a nice day.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 3 сағат бұрын
@@runemrick i had an awesome day, thx. you haven't reconciled. you screwed up and now you're paying the price. that's how consequences work.
@runemrick
@runemrick 28 минут бұрын
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969, well, it seems you know more about my life than I do. It's too bad you couldn't find a way to monetize that kind of clairvoyance.
@coleary4009
@coleary4009 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your video. My daughter left a couple years ago. I don’t have all the details as to why. I’m ok with that. I look forward to her and I having a blessed, beautiful relationship someday. I forgive her for everything and I hope she forgives me. I love her and miss her. I pray for her everyday. What you said from your perspective of how you see things, how you feel greatly helped. Your love for your parents after all you been through is beautiful. It gives me hope! Thank you kindly.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for being open to the ideas in this video. I wish you well. ❤️
@user-uh4uf8bb1b
@user-uh4uf8bb1b 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video - I am trying to connect with my estranged kids. Too much of this topic is about the parents' pain, etc. I hope I can express myself as nicely as you have done, and thank you for wanting to help people.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. I am so thankful that you can see the message as it was meant. I sincerely hope it helps and wish you well.
@susilauridsen7779
@susilauridsen7779 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for having the words I couldn't find. My family will never apologize. So even though the hope now died. Even though I feel abandoned. I feel free and saved. My family could never live up to basic boundaries. Thank you for helping me see that.
@lesleylemon5697
@lesleylemon5697 5 ай бұрын
I don't feel anger, just deep pain and confusion. I have never blamed or reprimanded my daughter, tried to talk, to find out why, totally prepared to accept my part in order to reconcile.of course there were mistakes, on both sides. I'm so sorry if I caused my child pain. But my efforts were rebuffed. Now completely cut off.Love her so much, don't want her to feel the hurt & loss of separation.It is tragic to see this in a family, never thought it would happen in mine! I'm 70, broken, don't know what more I can do or say. I hope you find healing. Hear your anger, speaks a lot to me. Abused all my life, even by my kids, I wish I could feel anger instead of such crushing grief and sorrow 😢😢😢😢
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear this. Wishing you well.
@GenaMcLean-pj3iw
@GenaMcLean-pj3iw 2 ай бұрын
I am 60. Abandoned emotionally by my parents....then my daughters.....my parents are loving my daughters now so I feel so so betrayed by everyone
@Darr-vp4um
@Darr-vp4um 29 күн бұрын
Me too
@whizbang7130
@whizbang7130 10 ай бұрын
The disrespect, threats, manipulation and lies ingratitude our adult children have put us through makes us want to avoid them. They have betrayed us and broken our hearts 😢
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 10 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry your children have been so abusive towards you. I wish you healing as you have distance- the only way to move forwards from this type of relationship.
@kims1912
@kims1912 9 ай бұрын
God warns us in His word exactly how children will be to parents in these end times.
@whizbang7130
@whizbang7130 9 ай бұрын
@kims1912 yes Mam, he sure does.
@gilian2587
@gilian2587 8 ай бұрын
@@kims1912 He also drowned an entire crop of his children in a great flood for being irreparably sinful, if I recall correctly. If one is to follow God's example; then what do we conclude from this?
@WVgrl59
@WVgrl59 6 ай бұрын
​@@gilian2587people take the Bible written by men too seriously, don't they? The Bible tries to explain things to ignorant people, but they're not quite right now that we know more. I think religion might have helped people long ago to survive not to eat pork because it had parasites or something like that but today we know how crazy it all sounds. No one could get all the wild animals on Earth on to an ark, then care for them. lol I am a former animal shelter director.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
I'm estranged from my parents too. I never wanted this. I thought they would be prepared to listen to me. I poured my heart out to them begging and pleading them to listen to my perspective and they just wouldn't respond. Silent treatment, stonewalling. I do not get to be in the family unless I reflect back my mum's rosy view of herself. She disguises her shortcomings by attributing flaws on to me. Eg, it's not that she hasn't listened to me, it's that I'm attention seeking. It's not that she has no empathy and patience, it's that I'm sensitive. It's not that she has zero conflict resolution skills, it's that I'm aggressive attempting to be heard. Yes, it's a total abandonment wound. They have hurt me so much and they act like the victims of me. xx
@GenaMcLean-pj3iw
@GenaMcLean-pj3iw 2 ай бұрын
I have the same situation and my sister and brother have always been perfect and there kids. Now my estranged daughters are also in their life..... not when they were with me tho. My parents did not want to know them.
@cindersmolloy6584
@cindersmolloy6584 10 ай бұрын
I think someone needs to look to themself if they feel abandoned. As for yelling and screaming then that is extremely childlike behaviour. You can't move forward in a state like this and if you have an adult child you should be more advanced emotionally than that. My mother treated me like an afterthought. She had 5 children and should not have. She didn't like children. I put in the effort when she was older and my father died. Phoning her every day. The first 6 months were hell. It was same old, same old. I didn't react except when she was very rude. I told her I wouldn't accept that but remained calm. After 6 months she started to change and I ended up having a relationship I never dreamed was possible. She admitted she had been jealous of me! She ended up becoming my biggest fan. So, sometimes you have to do something, even for a long time, with no expectation of getting anything out of it. She died this year and it broke my heart but I am forever grateful and thankful for these last few years when she gave me love and I really got to know her.
@mellimel9300
@mellimel9300 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes estrangement is a result of parental alienation. I am the scapegoat in my family system, and my adult children became pawns, just like I was. I wish I knew then what I know now. Been on both sides. It isn't always what it seems.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Really good point. Estrangement and alienation are very different. And both are very hard.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
yeh, my son is living with my parents now. He had no respect for me but he was well behaved at their house. So I will not fight it. I am safe now. But God what a mess. All because I won't be the trash can for what others' wont see in themselves.
@andrewthomas9777
@andrewthomas9777 10 ай бұрын
I have 3 estranged adult children, I blame my divorce among other things for the state of the relationships. I always thought if only my ex-wife could help with reconciliation it would be better. But I have been left to try to figure it out myself.
@willard2729
@willard2729 29 күн бұрын
I’m separated. Or living apart. No legal separation or divorce We have a 15 year old son. In the past 28 months I’ve had 2 stage 3 cancers and open heart surgery. All genetics, not lifestyle During this time, my son has not asked me once how I am. Not once He’s angry at me for other things. I won’t elaborate. They’re not big things During my recuperation from heart surgery, my wife did not once get my son to bring groceries to me. We live 4/10 of a mile apart. He can walk to a grocery store and to my apartment My son is learning lack of empathy and baseline human decency from his mother This is causing resentment toward my son. Starting to hate him. His mother let this rift happen. Don’t expect much from your wife. She probably hates you and can inflict great damage on you by dehumanizing you through silence
@KittyCuties33
@KittyCuties33 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate much of what you say in your videos. Thank you for sharing your voice. To anyone listening, I think it's important to be clear that while many parents may indeed experience that real feeling of abandonment when their child goes no/low contact, it does not necessarily mean that abandonment is the objective reality of the situation, especially all as adults. That's often linked to their own childhood or past trauma for them to heal and not put that need on their child or grandchildren. Unless we are legally our parents' caregivers, adult children are not abandoning their parents by taking care of our health because we are not responsible to take care of them like they were of us. We can certainly offer help and find solutions when they can no longer care for themselves, and that's a kind thing to do and willingly offer, but we don't have to be around anyone if it's harmful to our health and well-being after we've tried to address and solve together the problems. I don't think any of us at any age has the right to assume we will keep any relationship for our whole lives, even family members or close friends. To me that shows either a sense of entitlement to relationships due to tiles, or it shows an unwillingness to see reality for what it is and accept change, which is very human to do. Sometimes it's some of both or something different. I've found this out painfully many times. People change, healthy or unhealthy. If it's unhealthy or if we're going in opposite directions in life or both people aren't doing the work for the relationship, there will be a natural separation that occurs. Some people are in our lives for a long time, and that's great. Sometimes it's also okay when people choose to leave or when it's the season to say goodbye for now. I'm getting better at accepting times and seasons for different things and people in my life. Thank you for your thoughts.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for such a thoughtful comment. So well said 💕💕
@dessiecoder9446
@dessiecoder9446 Жыл бұрын
What comes around goes around.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Parents who aren’t able to have respectful and open communication with their children, and continue with unhealthy behavior towards them will eventually find their child sadly walks away.
@maryfrancini4523
@maryfrancini4523 10 ай бұрын
I am so glad I found your video. I have learned so much, and you have made me look at this subject in a different light. Thank you
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 10 ай бұрын
I'm really glad it helped. If you are affected by this, I know how hard it is and I wish you all the best in future. Take care.
@VeronicaTelaro-bu8rb
@VeronicaTelaro-bu8rb 24 күн бұрын
I had to accept that my estranged parent is happy to hurt others. She turned others against me as well. Lied so much that others have disappeared too. She disowned me, not vice versa. It caused me severe illness as I have a medical condition that is exacerbated by stress. Suffered through several surgeries without any family support. My wonderful husband had to carry all of it himself. On top of that she manipulated others too. Some people need to be no contact.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 23 күн бұрын
Sadly, yes.
@mjac1181
@mjac1181 Жыл бұрын
I do not see a horrible person at all...i see hurt and pain and want to give you a hug...i was an estranged child to my mom and now my child is estranged from me....all i don't want for him is the excruciating guilt that i had at the death of my mom
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a kind comment, despite the pain you are in. I appreciate it and wish you (and your son) all the best.
@annieparker9754
@annieparker9754 5 ай бұрын
I am a Mom in a very tenuous relationship with my adult daughter… and I just want to say thank you for sharing your insights and feelings here! I think your words very helpful 🕊️
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I am sorry that your relationship is so difficult at the moment. Wishing you both well.
@cherylwarren9848
@cherylwarren9848 Жыл бұрын
My mother is narcissistic so there’s no option for an ‘equal balance’ relationship as that’s not how she functions
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
yeah, I think I understand that!
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
Yes, my mother wants that one up one down dynamic.
@leahhibbin7532
@leahhibbin7532 Жыл бұрын
Estranged parents need to understand that adult children don’t cut off for no reason! The connection between children and parents (especially mothers) is such a primal, core connection, and estrangement with parents invariably tends to spill out to siblings and extended family members too. It’s a fact that parental estrangement often involves estrangement from the entire family, or much of it at least. No one voluntarily chooses to separate from their family if there’s not a really good reason, at least from their perspective and experience. Obviously this doesn’t apply if there is substance abuse or a (professionally diagnosed) mental-health disorder, in which case estrangement and reconciliation needs to take place under a different framework. Parent - child estrangement is not really accepted in society, because it is no unnatural to the human psyche (even though studies (US) show that up to 27% of the population is voluntarily estranged from one or more family members, there’s still a big stigma attached to it. For children who chose to estrange from their parents there’s really not a lot of support or sympathy out there. BIG ❤❤❤❤ ‘S TO CHESS FOR THIS CHANNEL - YOU ARE DOING THE ANGEL’S WORK 🎉 From the numerous comments on this an other sites relating to parent/child estrangement and narcissistic/toxic family systems it seems many adult children choose to estrange from their families at quite an advanced age (50’s, 60’s - I sometimes even read comments by people as old as 80 who have walked away from their families in the last few years of their life in order to find what little peace and joy life still holds for them….and haven’t regretted it for a second!) Why is this I ask myself? Why walk away from financial and emotional support, especially as you get older? Why turn your back on a shared culture and history unless that culture and that history is too painful to tolerate? All of these comments are from mature capable people, with established careers, who have made their way through life on their own terms, many of whom have had and raised children of their own. These are not immature children having a tantrum. They are grown rational adults with proven analytical facilities, knowledge of the world and how it works, knowledge of themselves, and an understanding of the past and how it shaped them. They grew up and they judged you as an equal. If you don’t like the judgement try going for a whole new one…..But that does involve taking accountability for your part in the estrangement, because if you don’t do that, then you have no agency or control, no chance to make a better relationship between you and your adult child. But Chess is right in the heart of all estranged children there is a grief that we may learn to live with, but which will never fully leave us. We didn’t want to leave you, if we abandoned you it was only because we could no longer continue to abandon ourselves as part of the unspoken contract of continuing to belong to our families. Physical and / or Emotional abuse is never okay at any age and you shouldn’t blame anyone from seeking to protect themselves from that, including your adult child! If that means you have to face up to some tough truths, that’s okay, that’s a key element required for growth as a human being on this planet. But one this is for sure - we were born loving you, and unless the abuse you perpetrated involved you killing someone or something we loved and you are currently sitting in jail, then we probably still do, even as we choose to never speak with you again……Reconciliation is always possible - but you have to do the work and reflection you need to do - no short cuts!! Make the changes and the amends that you can! Don’t fake it - it has to be the real deal - we can see right through you and have been able to for most of our lives. But offer us something new, something real and tangible, and honest, even if it isn’t a fairytale dream……and I am certain that almost all of us would come running back to you….our very first love!!!
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
One million percent! I wish I could draw the world’s biggest emoji heart for your comment, Leah! You covered everything. If I had one wish, it would be that all estranged parents read and understood your comment. Bless you for being here 💗💗💗
@carolschneider2590
@carolschneider2590 Жыл бұрын
If adult children cut off for a reason, they need to communicate the reasons to give their parents opportunities to make amends. Most do not express, and that is not fair
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
@@carolschneider2590 Well, maybe the parent needed to not abuse. Do you know right from wrong? Do you understand how you would react if people said/did certain things to you? If you did those things to someone else, would you recognize how nasty, cruel and unacceptable those things are? If so, the person on the receiving end shouldn't *have* to explain anything. Are you a mature adult who understands healthy and acceptable behavior? If yes, then you should easily be able to self-reflect and take appropriate action - like apologizing and making amends - all by yourself. Do you not know what behavior is considered unhealthy, toxic and abusive? Go to a counsellor, read a book, ask a friend and take a positive action YOURSELF to figure out what the problem is. Abusers *like* when their victim gives itemized lists and try to explain their concerns. It gives the abuser the opportunity to dismiss, mock and play the "I don't remember that/I never said/did that" game. It's a way to gaslight and revictimize and pretend you telling them is 'verbal/emotional abuse' and play the victim to those hurtful words - the truth of what you did and the hurt YOU caused. It's not fair to ask you to do personal work or look at your own behavior? What happened to estranged parents claiming everyone needs to take responsibility for their own behavior? Oh that's right... When it comes to taking responsibility and owning behavior, that's for the 'lessers' to do. I bet you were a "do as I say, not as I do" parent. Do you know what's really not fair? Being abused as a child and then having the adult(s) that abused you pretend they don't understand/can't remember their behavior and why you have a problem with it while pretending in the now that they are still superior and infallible beings and you are something that needs to be scraped from a shoe.
@zenaidacarroll215
@zenaidacarroll215 Жыл бұрын
After only one day (yesterday) off watching this from an adult child’s perspective, I finally understood what my son’s vague (not clear at all) reasons meant and the true meaning of “change mom”. We were very close and luckily the reason wasn’t because of any physical or emotional abuse, ever! The estrangement happened because of me crossing boundaries because I felt entitled as a grandmother. He felt unheard and disrespected by me, causing the estrangement in the only way he knew how. This is all true. As a grandparent, I did think I had certain rights. I was raised in a Latin culture and that’s how it was for me and the same way I raised my children with their grandparents. I thought I had rights that I really didn’t have. You’re right in saying being fake doesn’t work. At the beginning I made many attempts at apologizing. I didn’t know what I was apologizing for and that was not good enough for him. He had sent me a random “I love you and always will, wish things were different” the first text in almost nine years that wasn’t angry or accusatory or hateful. I didn’t reply until yesterday and this video and these comments. I told him where I made the mistakes that hurt him. The boundaries I broke (unintentionally) how hard it must have been for him to cut himself off from me and the whole family. I explained that I really didn’t understand why and that I never thought I was doing anything wrong. It wasn’t intentional. These were my first grandchildren and I had a bond with them since birth (as my son wanted and as he grew up in) unfortunately, it was a different story for his wife. Anyway, I expressed my true understanding of the reasons why and that I was truly sorry. I didn’t “get it then”. He responded right away, saying that is all he’s been waiting to hear, for me to take responsibility and “change”. It was a very positive exchange for the first time in almost nine years!! We can’t changed all the “missed years” and the time lost with my dear grandchildren and I am sad for that. I think we both are. I don’t know what will happen next. I will proceed cautiously. I’ve said all I can say and I guess it will be up to him to take any other steps. He will be 40 in a few days and I am 60…..maybe he’s matured and maybe he realizes we shouldn’t waste more time. Just thank you so much for these perspective from the adult child! It may have just repaired my relationship!! Thank you. Thank you.
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
@@zenaidacarroll215 You are doing great. But please... Do not say out loud or to him that you think he has matured and that this is a sign of it. It is a slap in the face to a man who has likely been mature for at least a decade. His maturity was shown by doing the right thing by his family and keeping you away if you weren't a positive contributor in his life and that of his growing family. I hope things continue to improve in your relationship and that you tell your story to other people with estranged children. You see the same names over and over in these types of comments sections and they all spew the same child-blaming and self-elevating mentalities. What many forget is, their children are not CHILDREN anymore. They are adult aged off-spring (actual PEERS) who deserve the same respect you show to other adults and the same considerations you expect as an adult.
@odalyscaous2368
@odalyscaous2368 3 ай бұрын
The hurt and pain is so real. I don’t want a relationship any longer. Let them go‼️
@michellelester243
@michellelester243 10 ай бұрын
You are a beautiful person worthy of genuine unconditional love 💕 Experienced help is far more beneficial than professional help, thank you.
@carol5125
@carol5125 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing! Your thoughts are helpful to me!
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 11 ай бұрын
I’m glad it helped. Take care, these are tough situations to be in. ❤️‍🩹
@donmorris4399
@donmorris4399 10 күн бұрын
Honestly, it wasn't hard at all for me...Well over a decade and still going strong!
@kathleenwestmacott1845
@kathleenwestmacott1845 10 ай бұрын
You are so kind , and you are healthy in your heart and mind ! Don’t worry about the negative comments . You have helped me today , and sometimes I am so sad and ashamed that my 2 daughters don’t want me in there lives anymore . Please keep sharing experience and knowledge on this subject xoxo
@pattyzillas5671
@pattyzillas5671 2 күн бұрын
Sad and ashamed describe it well. Even when honestly it wasnt the doing of the parents. A comfort knowing we are not alone, years later to learn sometimes no reaction is best action.
@helgaadstmk
@helgaadstmk Ай бұрын
Parents are not doormats. Let the adult children go, take them out of your will and have a great life
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 29 күн бұрын
I'm not sure about the doormat comment, but in general I agree- if/when we can't agree on how to have a relationship, moving on separately and with kindness is a better option than perpetuating harm and hurt.
@christinawebb3016
@christinawebb3016 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your perspective and opinion. I’m an estranged parent, it is silly to attack you. Some people are misplacing their pain onto you instead of processing their emotions in a healthy way. I wish you well.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Christina! I am sorry you are experiencing estrangement too. I hope you are doing ok. Wishing you the best.
@lisawilkinson4943
@lisawilkinson4943 3 ай бұрын
We are estranged from.our son .....there is fault on both sides We are completely shattered and hope to re connect with him He should know that we luv him and his family we have reached out a number of times...I don't know what will hapoen but he and his family are luved and missed everyday we are broken💔💔
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear this. I hope you can find a way to amend things from your side so his reasons for wanting to distance from you will disappear. Hopefully he will want to work on his obstacles and the road to reconciliation will be clearer. Take care.
@CowToes
@CowToes Жыл бұрын
Lol, no narcissist wants to reconcile with their adult child, they want to be right, and maintain narc supply.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
I think those narcissistic parents want to reconcile to get the supply back but they haven't figured out that it won't work.
@netty3767
@netty3767 Жыл бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub and just remember grown adult kids can be very narcisstic as well and want to always dominate. It is not always on the parents.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
@@netty3767 I agree 100%.
@CowToes
@CowToes Жыл бұрын
@Netty one of my biggest fears. I have to remind myself to have grace and empathy for others, or else the cycle continues.
@CowToes
@CowToes Жыл бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub I see that.
@meanderthal2635
@meanderthal2635 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the risk of speaking the painful truth in the hope that reconciliation may occur, even if only within one's self. Seems like we scapegoats are left alive for a reason, bearing unbearable rejection, to point to a sacrificial lamb of some sort. And, to keep to the metaphor, need to beware of hidden serpents (sociopath/borderline) triangulation parent against child.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a supportive comment. Honestly, sometimes I wonder why I bother with the videos to parents, but occasionally it seems to strike a chord. And if it’s just a rare thing, it’s got to be worth it. Estrangement in families hurts so many, but sometimes it is the healthiest way.
@user-pq3wk5ok6g
@user-pq3wk5ok6g Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insight. I read something recently that mirrored some of what you say. It was that adult children sometimes just don’t “have the energy to meet my mother’s needs.” I know this from the relationship I had with my own mother, and i prayed that I would not be the same. It is so hard to just leave it alone sometimes thinking that if I only say the right thing or send the right text or gift, it will create a bond. But the reality is it creates further distance because my son is at a totally different stage in life than I am. Not to mention the difference in gender. I’ve had to tap into my masculine energy my whole life to survive personally and that doesn’t help either. I have a lot of shame that I wasn’t perfect. And I see so many of those same characteristics in my son and subsequently go overboard with what I consider insight and, I’m sure, he considers this disrespectful. His father was a decent man but totally emotionally absent for his own reasons. We divorced when our son and my stepson were adults. I’ve tried to make up for that and stay in their lives but fear I’ve overcompensated leading to the distance. I’m rambling. Thanks again.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Hi- I can hear the sadness and frustration in your comment. It sounds really hard. I appreciate your insight that perhaps you are overcompensating. Have you tried reaching out to a therapist to see if they can help you? They may be able to give you some pointers on loving communication that is at a distance that works for both of you. Wishing you all the best.
@NickM_FirstofHisName
@NickM_FirstofHisName 7 ай бұрын
First thing: admit your wrongdoings toward them. Take full responsibility. Apologize for the mistreatment, physical, emotional. The neglect.
@mattkowal7060
@mattkowal7060 3 ай бұрын
You could do all that and it still won't be enough.
@NickM_FirstofHisName
@NickM_FirstofHisName 3 ай бұрын
@@mattkowal7060 You then don't really want to reconcile if you're looking for excuses and refuse to try. Also, you might be right, but receiving forgiveness isn't on the offender. The repentent offender has to do his duty of recognizing own faults and misdeeds, and the hurt party can decide on her terms to accept, reject, forgive...
@mattkowal7060
@mattkowal7060 3 ай бұрын
Wow! Such great advice! You make it so very simple, I mean I'm such a stupid brute not to see that. Just do as you say and it's all fixed. Amazing 👏 Thank you so much NickM
@NickM_FirstofHisName
@NickM_FirstofHisName 3 ай бұрын
@@mattkowal7060 See, you're able to see the truth if you try a little 😌😏
@RaRa-el3iz
@RaRa-el3iz 11 күн бұрын
THANK YOU 🌺
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 11 күн бұрын
You are so welcome! Take care
@RaRa-el3iz
@RaRa-el3iz 11 күн бұрын
@@thescapegoatclubI sure will, enjoy the rest of this beautiful day hun
@elimaginarium1419
@elimaginarium1419 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your perspective as the estranged adult child.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 7 ай бұрын
thank you!
@carolschneider2590
@carolschneider2590 Жыл бұрын
What about the grandchildren? Abusing them by estrangement that they did not choose😢
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
I think you mean when your child denies you access to see your grandchildren? Yes, that is a very difficult situation. However, it is the parent's choice if they decide that it is the right decision. That said, if you truly suspect child abuse, in any situation, it should be reported to the authorities. It seems that in a lot of situations, parents keep grandchildren away because they are experiencing problems with their parents themselves. Therefore, the root of the problem is again with the parent-child relationship. Focusing on healing that through open, genuine and respectful communication would be key. And being there, for when the children and grandchildren decide they do want to recommence a healthy, loving relationship. If this is happening to you, I wish you well and hope it works out for you all.
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
Children are not being abused by not having relationships with certain people. It seems to me estranged parents often have very warped views of what constitutes abuse and it's funny backwards day. No, you are not being abused when people (including your own off-spring) don't want to interact with you. Your grandchildren are not being abused by being denied a relationship with you. However, when an adult child claims abuse and gives examples of crappy parenting, then all of a sudden abuse becomes 'very subjective'. Maybe learn what abuse is and is not and then we can find some common ground and solve some of the issues.
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub I think Carol is claiming that her grandchildren are being abused because they are being denied a relationship with her. Funny that when estranged children talk about the abuse they endured it is minimized and gaslighted away as 'not abuse' but they think the very act of a child not having a relationship with them is some kind of abuse. Unless the parent is actively telling the child that they are being denied a relationship because the grandparent is so wonderful and loving and that they are missing out on that the child is not missing anything or being abused in any way in that situation. It's funny the bar for abuse is both so low (when it suits them to call something abuse) and so high - your parents had to beat you to hospitalization or pimped you out in order for it to qualify as true abuse. I can't roll my eyes back far enough in my head.
@melaniemeyer1029
@melaniemeyer1029 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your perspective and everything you have to say, but what about our kids meeting us halfway as well. What about them respecting and accepting us. It’s a two-way street and I’ve said many times to my son just meet me in the middle. Little compromise but he wants everything done his and his wife’s way, and he wants us to become robots and that’s not a fair relationship or conclusion either.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Hi Melanie, I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds very hard. Obviously I don’t know the situation and it’s hard to say what the solution would be. But it seems that as things are, your son doesn’t feel like he wants to or needs to compromise. It could be that the things you are asking for are not small to him. It could be that he is not interested in a respectful relationship and doesn’t want to accommodate. Or maybe there’s something else at play. Ultimately, the best we can do in these situations is decide what is and is not ok for us, where our boundaries are, and communicate them with loving kindness to the other party. What they do with that is up to them, we can only manage our side of things, and work on acceptance when it isn’t fair.
@melaniemeyer1029
@melaniemeyer1029 Жыл бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub I appreciate your response and agree that if the situation is only one sided with complete control and orders, it is not healthy for me. I have been more than happy to work things out but that tends to be impossible when so many orders have been given to the point that it has. Of course not enough time here to go through everything that has been done but I do feel that both parties need to be willing to be accountable and also apologetic or it cant work
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
He wants everything done his and his wife's way... Hmmm I can only speak for my own relationship but when my mom would say something like that it was usually in response to someone wanting just one thing their way for once. You see, my Narc abuser, when she didn't get everything her way at all times, went all DARVO and pretended that anytime she didn't get "her way" that equaled the other person having to have their way ALL THE TIME. She was in complete denial of how everything was actually always HER WAY and that the real compromise was when someone else got what they wanted. She was absolutely incapable of letting anyone else have 'their way' about anything without making a scene and being an a**hole. People got used to walking on eggshells around her and never asserting any personal autonomy that didn't align with her because that was easier then calling her on her crap. Depending on the situation, your son and his wife would be 100% within their rights to have things 'their way'. When it comes to their house, if it's a no smoking house and you want to smoke, you don't get to decide that because you smoke in your home you can do the same in theirs. When it comes to raising their children, same deal. You would be the grandparent. A grandparents job it to follow the instructions of the parents and not try to overrule those parents or pretend because you know more about parenting then they do that they should do things your way. And no, your son and his wife do not need to apologize for setting healthy boundaries and they are not responsible for any hurt you have endured in being told what those boundaries look like. If that's not healthy for you then you have a you issue. It's not on anyone to compromise their personal emotional health to accommodate anyone, especially if the person they are trying to accommodate cannot be pleased with anything but complete compliance. Maybe that's not your situation, but it is a common dynamic. In that case, then as hard as it will be for both parties, separation and No Contact is clearly the healthiest course for both sides. No one is asked to humble themselves to follow the rules of another and the 'controlling party' doesn't have to waste their time and emotional energy explaining their boundaries, why they have them and why not following them isn't going to be acceptable to them.
@lorileon2816
@lorileon2816 Жыл бұрын
Melanie, the flaw in them meeting you halfway though is that you want the relationship more than they do. Its not on your terms sorry
@melaniemeyer1029
@melaniemeyer1029 Жыл бұрын
@@ellyk8834 this is part of the problem with today’s society. If what they were asking/demanding was within normal boundaries. I am more than happy to accommodate their wishes as you’re right it’s their house, but we are family and some things are beyond comprehension when it becomes not only demands but rude, stressful, and under trusting the family member. Frankly, with the requests that they put on us if I was a paid babysitter, I would’ve quit and so with anybody else. It was beyond reasonable and you don’t Estranged your family over a little disagreements that is ridiculous. The society is too quick to run instead of working out their problems together. I could see if it was abuse, physical or mental, but anything else should be worked out amongst family, and both parties should be showing that they have a caring for the relationship.
@charlesmason538
@charlesmason538 6 ай бұрын
A horrible divorce, and a step child who is now an adult wanting a realtionship. There is no fear, but very deep hurt .I can not trust her because of her lies during the break up. I do not want the luggage she is around from the ex wife. It is extremely difficult, and i was happier when i cutbthe emotional link , about 3 years after the break up, with no contact after the break up. Today, i am very unsure of my next step. My life is so different and have moved on. I do not feel wrong for not rekindling anything with this young woman who i have not spoken too in over ten years. Thanks for your video.
@cynthieanna
@cynthieanna 2 ай бұрын
Take the pain away? Take it out? Easier said than done when you have almost nothing to go on. Part of the pain is just the silence. Even in therapy and helping myself, yet my child does not know of my growth. So when we come back together they expect for me to be the person I was. And of course we have to start from there. They won’t say, oh you’re so much better. Estrangement is just taking a break. Not solving anything. Could have been accomplished by some honest conversations. But they didn’t and chose no contact. What a waste of years and so much devastation that affected more than just the child and the parent and could affect generations. I hope you that are choosing to go no contact will figure out a different and better way.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 2 ай бұрын
Hi- there is so much in your comment. I am glad you are taking steps with a therapist to try to ease things. This is huge, hard, and I applaud you for this bravery. So many people can't or won't take this step. Also, you say that your child will expect you to be the same- of course they will! People don't often change, and if you've been a certain way all of their lives it would be crazy for them to expect otherwise. It is not up to your child to validate your changes, a lot of the work we need to do on both sides of estrangement is learn to support ourselves and take responsibility for our sides of the conflict. It is up to us to show another person when we have made meaningful change. The onus is on us, rather than blaming the other side. And, yes, I can hear people saying 'well, that needs to come from both sides'. But the simple fact is that when someone has walked away, they have decided they don't want to put in the work any more. They don't see any point in making big efforts because the relationship had too many problems. Accepting that and working towards changing the reasons for why they needed to leave is the only way to have meaningful reconciliation. I wish you well with your healing and peace in the future.
@derykhenderson5187
@derykhenderson5187 Жыл бұрын
3:49 it really breaks my heart to know my father is grieving that he no longer has the power to punish me in perpetuity for existence. At this point I want nothing but harm for him.
@territhomasrn
@territhomasrn 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@chimeracleshappen
@chimeracleshappen Жыл бұрын
I'm so confused. I am the scapegoat child ofva narcissistic family and have been needing to cut off my own mother but haven't been successful and keep getting hurt. My son's father is extremely abusive and I fought with all of me to get us out, it nearly killed me. Now my son just parrots the abusive dialogue and has cut me out of his life. We had an impervious bond... until we ended up back near my mother in trying to escape his dad. I feel his hurt, but can only speculate because he won't talk to me. I was always seen as indestructible to him but our escape broke me. That's when our relationship fell apart. What can I do? I'm in intensive therapy and have offered hundreds if heartfelt apologies, taking accountability for not being the mother I wish I had been to him. He's become downright abusive. I don't know what to do. I love and miss him so much.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry to hear about all the difficulties you have had to navigate. It sounds incredibly hard and the fact that you are in therapy and able to see some of the issues sounds amazing. I can hear how much you love your son. But if he’s being abusive to you, that’s not healthy. I hope you can find a way to communicate how much you love him, but need to have a respectful relationship. Getting you back is so important after all the abuse. I hope you can start there, and the good things flow. Sending support ♥️♥️
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
Same, because of the way my parents treated me, I ended up with an abusive man. I left my abusive x when my son was 14 months old and my x did not make it easy, omg., my son was adorable until about 13 and then he just shut down, until by 17 he was a carbon copy of his father, telling me I was a bitch, a - c u n t, I said ''why am I a bitch?'' trying to be the opposite of my parents and trying to give my son the opportunity to be heard, but he hasn't communicated anything to me, except that he hates me. No idea why so nothing to validate or hear. I have just left them all to it. They all get to label me mad. They don't need me there for that.
@someonesdaughter3180
@someonesdaughter3180 Жыл бұрын
Estranged parents need to embrace the freedom they finally have to make any and all decisions moving forward without any obligation whatsoever toward an offspring who has decided to move on for their own healing and growth. They are a seed floating in the wind, a bird flown from the nest, they are gone and there is no more connection. Adjust. Be free. Turn and walk on with appreciation for the experience and never look back with any hope or expectation. Shrug it off. Fluff yourself up and smile. If you were strong enough to get through all those years bringing up that other person who needed everything from you, you are strong and resilient enough to adjust to life without them and create a new phase for yourself. Think of the money you will save! Think of the freedom you actually have now! Think of the energy you can now give to other children, friends, loving family members! You owe them nothing! Enjoy your life. Namaste
@someonesdaughter3180
@someonesdaughter3180 Жыл бұрын
@@timb8652 for your sake, and your child’s, it is my wish that you both be free of the pain of your past and can walk forward toward a better future for each of you, however that plays out.
@michellelester243
@michellelester243 10 ай бұрын
​@@someonesdaughter3180this is really great advice for the scapegoat club, turn that frown upside down and transform that pain into a beautiful gain! Estranged children need to embrace the freedom they finally have to make any and all decisions moving forward without any obligation whatsoever toward a parent who has decided to move on for their own healing and growth. You are a seed floating in the wind, a bird flown from the nest, they are gone and there is no more connection. Adjust. Be free. Turn and walk on with the appreciation for the experience and never look back with any hope or expectation. Shrug it off. Fluff yourself up and smile. If you were strong enough to get through all those years being brought up by that person on whom all your needs were dependant, you are strong and resilient enough to adjust to life without them and create a phase for yourself. Think of the money you will save! Think of the freedom you have now! Think of the energy you can now give to your own children, friends, siblings and other loving family members! You owe them nothing. Enjoy your life! Namaste
@user-ux8vf8on5s
@user-ux8vf8on5s 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@sadiefrench383
@sadiefrench383 3 ай бұрын
When you know you've done more than your best for all your kids but one is like her father and been well trained in narcissistic behaviour. No talking to her she's always the victim and tells people lies to make them feel sorry for her
@SealedByYah
@SealedByYah 4 ай бұрын
Matthew 24:10-12 ( END TIME PROPHECY ON RELATIONSHIPS). 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
@lynnschaeferle-zh4go
@lynnschaeferle-zh4go Жыл бұрын
I was an abused kid and still hung in there. My kids were coerced by their psycho dad to cut me off. He has the money. The reason for the relationship is blackmail. I have dealt with the pain and there will be no reunion. I was the one to raise them and paid for their college. I am not angry, just sad because I am estranged from the grandkids. They probably will come around when it’s time to pay for their college.
@BrittanyP-1976
@BrittanyP-1976 6 ай бұрын
It hurts like no other hurt I've ever experienced. All I do is drugs and gamble to not feel or think about her. She's 26 and it's been 9 years
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry you are experiencing this. I hope you can find help to work through this pain in a way that is less harmful for you.
@BrittanyP-1976
@BrittanyP-1976 5 ай бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub I am the scapegoat of the covert narcissist malignant narcissist and she has turned by 26 year old daughter against me so she hasn't talked to me for 9 years she thinks I hate her she thinks I chose drugs over her she thinks that I never loved her so what do I do in this situation
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear this. I hope you can find a way to show your daughter that you love her, miss her and want to be a positive support in her life.
@karengrounds1564
@karengrounds1564 29 күн бұрын
I’m supposed to be meeting with my adult daughter who I haven’t spoken to in almost 10 years very soon! At her request through my other daughter! I’m excited but nervous! Any advice??
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 20 күн бұрын
This is exciting! I hope it goes well! I’d say be kind, gentle, and curious about how she is, and what her life is now. I’d almost approach it as meeting someone you don’t really know well at all. Don’t assume, judge or put any pressure on. Enjoy her company and the time, check in and make sure, as much as you can, that she is comfortable, and hopefully it will happen again and again! Wishing you both the best. 💗💗
@karengrounds1564
@karengrounds1564 20 күн бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub Thank you so much! Great advice! Should be happening sometime this week! ❤️
@carolcatanzaro7811
@carolcatanzaro7811 10 ай бұрын
How will my child know that I have been working on myself?
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 10 ай бұрын
Great question! I should do a video on this... but in the mean time, I would say I think it should become obvious in the way you communicate. Being heartfelt, open, honest and authentic, will show you genuinely want to connect. If you can't communicate directly, perhaps you could have a family therapist reach out to your child for you. Best of luck.
@carolcatanzaro7811
@carolcatanzaro7811 10 ай бұрын
But she won't communicate with me!!
@lindak8307
@lindak8307 Жыл бұрын
I never blame my scapegoat child for everything that happened in the past, I’m his ally. I blame the lousy situation. My son still continues with substance abuse though and is estranged from me.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Sadly substance use problems happen all too often in difficult families. I am glad you can see the situation for what it is, and support him, even from a distance. Wishing you both the best 💕💕
@zenaidacarroll215
@zenaidacarroll215 Жыл бұрын
I am wondering what to do about my son reaching out to me for the first time in almost nine years and him saying he loves me and wishes things were different. I am very torn about what to do. I had come to the acceptance, after trying for so long, that I would never see him. I responded that I have and always will love him and that things being different were always up to him. He will be 40 in a few days and there has been so much wasted time and the pain and heartache of being torn from my grandchildren, that I really don’t want to say anything else and I’m immobilized by fear of being hopeful only to be hurt again. The issues why the estrangement happened (according to him) is because I crossed some boundaries about going to see the kids and also giving them tests when they came over. I thought that’s what grandmothers do. A lot has to do with his wife also. I did a lot for her but I think she was always jealous of my close relationship with my son and also of the grandchildren’s live and strong bond with me. In other words, there was nothing more complicated than that. Any advice on how to proceed from this point? After almost nine years, this has been the first text saying this and not saying horrible things to me. I would appreciate any feedback. Thank you.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I will share a few thoughts, but as always I will say that estrangement is complicated and chatting to a counsellor or therapist is the best way to work through things as they can delve further into the details. That said, from what you've written..... Firstly, I think you are right to be cautious. You were hurt before and it is sensible to be guarded against further hurt. Going slowly seems important- I wouldn't rush any big reunions just yet. I also appreciate you saying you love him as a solid foundation to start- it's good that he knows that. The suggestion I have is to ask him about the changes he wants to see. Understanding what you both want and need from the relationship is important, and I'm not sure from your comment whether you expect him to make the changes or are willing to compromise and make changes on your side. I think getting a clear idea of what his concerns were/are around your relationship is an important next step. Diving back in without addressing them could lead you down the same path, and more heartache, which you rightly want to avoid. Also, being clear of your son and his wife's boundaries around parenting would be important. They get to make the rules, grandparents hopefully get to do the fun stuff. Good luck. It's a wonderful opportunity to reconnect and I hope it works out for you.
@zenaidacarroll215
@zenaidacarroll215 Жыл бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub thank you got your response. I think in my case, they do feel I crossed boundaries and I am the one who has to recognize that. It’s easy for me to see now and also to accept any boundaries because they’re grown and have moved to another state. By hearing what you said, I think he needs to know he’s been heard and validate that. That may be the best start. Thank you again for putting out this video!!
@billydiaz7280
@billydiaz7280 7 ай бұрын
I'm estranged from my mom cause she won't admit I was there in my childhood. All I want is an explanation, I'd probably understand but she won't admit anything.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 7 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry. I feel this is quite common with parents who find it hard to reflect on themselves. They seem to think that if they did recognise that things weren't good sometimes is a massive failure/a threat to themselves as humans. It's such a shame, because I think they are missing that an honest conversation, and an apology when it's appropriate would go such a long way to healing the problems. It's just a conversation and it costs them nothing. But the ego gets in the way. I hope you can find some peace, even if you don't ever find out the full story. You are complete as you are, even when the gaps are there. Sending peace to you.
@katiehav1209
@katiehav1209 5 ай бұрын
Why not take responsibility for loving others? Love is a commitment.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 5 ай бұрын
I agree. A commitment on both sides. It is sad when one side cannot take that responsibility, especially when they are the parent(s) and chose that role.
@katiehav1209
@katiehav1209 5 ай бұрын
I think many of you want to see your parents eye to eye as adults without being adults. You seem to be making a how likable parents are to your taste. And that's not the love commitment many estranged parents did towards their kids, in their most unlikable moments. Its sad when one party demands the other to be God-like adults while they are at their worst.
@katiehav1209
@katiehav1209 5 ай бұрын
Seems to me many of you just dont want a parent to be a parent except for the unconditional love most of us give, with the kind of forgiveness that only a mother could have. Its very sad. Maybe your parents were horrible people. Then Im sad you didnt have good people for parents.
@LordOfTheWings848
@LordOfTheWings848 9 ай бұрын
Just take accountability... It's so easy... Apologize. Also, genuinely change. Get therapy.
@mariebucko2931
@mariebucko2931 7 ай бұрын
how do i reconnect after asking g her to leave because of a situation that hurt her dad and i. i have send her a message about how i was feeling thst day and how much i regret asking g her to go. she already had a place she signed a lease for. but something happened a before christmas and i asked her to leave at that moment. out of impulsively following my heartache and anger instead of taking the time to think. it’s been almost three wks and im dying inside. not a word from her although i know she’s save because she is communicating with her siblings. just never been through anything like this and im learning as i go!
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 7 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear this. It sounds like there is a lot happening for all of you, and it's very emotional. It's been three weeks, so understandably is likely to be still quite raw for her. Let her know you are genuinely sorry, love her and want to reconnect when she is ready. Leave the door open without pressuring her. And in the mean time, I hope you can find a way to explore and alleviate your own pain. Ultimately, a healthy relationship going forwards will mean you are reconnecting from respect and wanting a mutual relationship, rather than requiring emotional support from her.
@mariebucko2931
@mariebucko2931 7 ай бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub thank you i have been reaching out here and there. i did open up. still no response. not sure if i should just stop reaching out or continue. i don’t say much when i message her. just that im thinking of her hoping she’s doing well and that i love her. i only send her one long message when i opened up three wks ago. just never dealt h with anything like this. so obviously unsure of how to go about it in the meantime. i don’t want to bombard her or chase her.
@mariebucko2931
@mariebucko2931 7 ай бұрын
she reached out today to her dad asking for her university semester payment. of course we took care of that for her. but that’s all that was exchanged between them
@Meanwoman666
@Meanwoman666 Жыл бұрын
I like your video I'm curious are you a parent yourself? How many children do you have? How's your relationship with your kids?
@georgiabradley1712
@georgiabradley1712 Жыл бұрын
Being a parent doesn’t give you some supreme knowledge whether that’s child development or psychology or relationship knowledge so why would being a parent determine you being valid for this, if that’s the case why aren’t all parents teacher’s? Why can they just go be one without any qualifications? Why wouldn’t they be shown as a relationship coach? Or psychologist simply they wouldn’t. X
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
I get that one a lot. I don't have children so I shouldn't speak on parent child relationships. Well, wake up and grasp this - We were all children once and someone parented us. We saw and participated in these relationships. Someone does not gain magical powers by creating a child. You either know what is emotionally healthy/good and what is unhealthy/toxic and bad or you do not. Estranged parents (the abusive ones) love to find loopholes and dismiss logic and reasoning if it doesn't come from someone who meets their ever shifting criteria. What the issue is comes down to whether or not the person is saying what the dysfunctional parent wants to hear. If this video was from an estranged child slamming the immature and ungrateful Narcissistic children who cruelly and unjustifiably abuse their parents by estranging then I bet you'd never ask (or care) about her parental status and how many children she has or what that relationship looks like...
@myrnacox9770
@myrnacox9770 9 ай бұрын
My husband is an ole cowboy and he seems to love the simple Obvious way of life. “ Grow The hell up adults , on both sides of the spectrum.” Love One another As Jesus loves YOU!!!’
@JEBBY123IFY
@JEBBY123IFY 17 күн бұрын
Tuen be tue adilt you are and go talk to them!! Dont make videos grow courage and go talk! Voice tone and looking into eyes and all the communication you kids have forgotten is so important
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 16 күн бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@dessiecoder9446
@dessiecoder9446 Жыл бұрын
She seems deeply hurt talking about this. Maybe she should reach out to her parents.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
The point is that when reaching out repeatedly fails, and the continuing relationship is harmful, there comes a point where we give up and walk away. Something needs to change to show that communication is worth it. I hope you aren’t in this sad situation and are able to find a better way.
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610 11 ай бұрын
I guess you need to experience estrangement versus just blaming the parents. We live a selfish world...
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 11 ай бұрын
I'm not sure you watched the video....
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610 11 ай бұрын
@@thescapegoatclub I think I did...
@tracybuffalo5815
@tracybuffalo5815 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like you still need to work through your old childhood issues.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 2 ай бұрын
Yes, and I'm getting there.
@debbibobetty5620
@debbibobetty5620 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for what you're going through but you have to realize when parents try and try to reconcile and the child denies any contact, that is a power play it is considered manipulation and kind of a payback for the time something happened 20 years ago that wasn't even your fault.? I don't know if you're a millennial but I noticed this whole generation is a tad self-centered and they're just going to pick up their toys and go hide in their room and not face their parents when their parents come to them. I wish you luck but maybe you should be the one to extend a hand back to your parent cuz she brought you into this world not the other way around. Pray on it
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
Hi Debbi, there are lots of situations and reasons for estrangement. I don’t advocate for cutting ties with anyone as a way of power play, or punishment. I do advocate for string boundaries when a person’s wellbeing is being compromised due to a difficult relationship and all attempts at communicating the problems have failed, or result in increased abuse. This is not self-centred, childish behaviour and I think if you watch the video you may see this is what I am trying to explain. I hope on reflection you will be able to see the reasons why some people need to cut ties as a last resort.
@watitduful
@watitduful Жыл бұрын
Given your views, I’d avoid you too. Ego always leads to defeat. How many children do you have to lose before you understand that?
@ellyk8834
@ellyk8834 Жыл бұрын
If the child calmly tries to explain what the issues are it's them being rude, disrespectful and defiant. If they yell and scream to be heard and try to express how serious the issue is, they are not honoring the parent and being abusive. If the child walks away and refuses to engage because they know the problem is the parent and their mentality/attitude then they are immature, engaging in a power-play or payback... Do you notice a trend here? In all those scenarios the child is in the wrong. It's almost like the problem isn't the delivery but the audacity of the 'child' to defy the 'parent' by not thinking/feeling the right way and behaving as the parent thinks they should be. Hmmm...
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
@@ellyk8834 sadly, I think this is exactly right in so many estrangement cases. Thank you for commenting!
@tracybuffalo5815
@tracybuffalo5815 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like you still need to work through your old old issues.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Ай бұрын
I’m sure I’ll be working on them for a long time. Recovery from decades of toxicity takes time.
@fionaatkins
@fionaatkins 7 ай бұрын
I am so sorry that you have had an experience with your parents that has caused you so much pain. I feel that you haven't actually been able to engage in a productive conversation with them. Please try to get some professional help. That may be more helpful for you than just venting on social media.
@gailgraham4531
@gailgraham4531 8 ай бұрын
Are you a mother?
@susancook3360
@susancook3360 8 ай бұрын
Word salad
@cherylb1025
@cherylb1025 11 ай бұрын
I have seen many adult children choose to leave their parents. After talking with those adult children, I have learned that they simply did not have any desire to feel love, kindness, appreciation, need, or happiness with their family. They also don't forge the same with their own families. Have they sought counseling? Nope, not a one of them. From getting to know them, they were the ones with the narcissistic personalities but they put all the blame on their parents and other family members. Have they ever gone back? I have to say - yes - many times and they stayed until they got what they wanted from their parents/family - money, a place to stay, food - and then they left again with pure hatred in their in themselves. It is really sad that even when those who have bothered to get to know the people who left that they still don't understand that they dislike themselves and that they need to get help. I wish I could contact their parents and say to them - it wasn't you. It was them. They are takers. They are selfish. They will never give back. Let them go. The bad thing is that they are the parents and they love them and they will always wonder what they did wrong. Their children will not even discuss in a civilized manner what is going on. The parents couldn't fix it if they gave their everything.
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub 11 ай бұрын
Hi Cheryl, I appreciate that perhaps some adult kids may do what you say. However, my experience as a therapist is the opposite. I see so many 'children' in therapy trying to work around difficult parents, and have yet to see one parent coming in wanting some guidance on how to better connect with a child. It makes me very sad, especially when so many people perpetuate the myth that you are putting forwards here- that no contact is selfish and all about kids punishing parents. There will be occasions like that for sure, but that is not a stance I support either. I stand for open, honest, supportive communication. And if one side cannot provide that, and continues to abuse the other, then cutting contact may well be the only safe option. It may come from the parent or the child, but I do not advocate for continuation of abusive relationships. I hope you can respect that perspective.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
Who are these people. I've never met anybody who wasn't in a massive amount of pain that their parents won't see their perspective. My mother wants me to play the part she wrote for me. That's all I am, the part she wrote. If I try to communicate with her she stone walls me. How is that love? It's the opposite of love because it's so conditional. Literally ~Reflect back my view of me or I'll shut down all communication and give you a silent treatment. It really lets you know where you stand. You thought you had a family but it was all just like Eastenders, you were cast as the daughter and then they wrote you out.
@Dontnegotiatewithterrorist
@Dontnegotiatewithterrorist 18 сағат бұрын
I’m with you Cheryl With one big exception. I found that most of these estranged adult children have in fact sought out professional counseling from total hacks that tell them whatever they want to hear. Obviously not all counselors are hacks. Some are honest and upfront about the work that will need to be put in by all parties concerned. Relationships are complicated. The buzz word these hacks throw around is “Narcissist” as in it’s not you dear paying 💰 patient, it’s your Narcissistic Mother, Father, Brother or Sister etc…… So much diagnosing without every meeting with or even so much as speaking on the phone with the alienated parent. This sounds like malpractice to me. I’ve been in therapy before back when you were expected to put in work. My therapist say to me “You’re going to right, or you’re going to be happy, but it’s unlikely you’re going to be both, choose which one you want to be” She also said “If you want to be right, awesome, I declare you right, no need to meet with me again. But if you want to be happy prepare to get beat up a little bit, see you next week” These new breed hack therapists seem to have it both ways. Yes you’re absolutely right, see you next week, that will be $100.
@nataliemeenakshithegreat7780
@nataliemeenakshithegreat7780 Жыл бұрын
Hi dear thanks for your video yes I put my rage and anger and frustration on my daughter who alienated me she is 22 abroad iam 57 and a single mother I have a lot of pain she did not wish me a happy Mother’s Day she was abusive during teenage years made me suffered a lot she suffered too she was with a Narcissist young père at that time today she strive she is brillant beautiful indépendant and she made me her last priority I am probably borderline so I suffer from abandonment I myself did not have a good loving mother she was violent suicidal depressed and narcissist and egocentric my daughter has been gone two months and it is hard she works abroad in Israel and stays at my mom the latter is just awful to me when my daughter doesn’t speak well to me she yells at me she is a narcissist enabler my dad is the same they spoiled my daughter and now my daughter doesn’t respect me I understand my role as a mother is done she is 22 and that I have to think about my own life I screamed at my daughter reply to me reply to me but she wrote iam inside a bar I can’t reply I will reply tomorrow I could not stand the fact that I would have to wait tomorrow I called her a manipulative little cunt and I was so angry iam sorry to be soft and feel guilty my family abused me now my daughter abuses me it’s a never ending road of abuse I had suicidal thoughts I wrote her that I was sorry but that she drives me crazy when she ignores me she said did this to punish you I don’t feel loved by her I feel judged iam totally alone I try not to freak out I just called my 82 year old dad I asked him why did you beat me up when I was a little girl in your knees using your belt he said I never beat up my kids he is a liar but he also helped me a lot with my daughter I feel trapped confused disoriented I know today that I have to accept my daughters choice or else I might get very Ill
@thescapegoatclub
@thescapegoatclub Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry that you have had so many challenges, with your parents and your daughter. I honour your honesty, and hope you find a way forwards with more peace in your relationships. Wishing you all the best, take care 💕💕
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u 9 ай бұрын
wow. Can you go to therapy? and keep busy so that it's not you sitting around waiting for your daughter to contact you. Pilates, book club, spanish class. I do this. I've a lovely daughter of 20 and she's much busier than I am, she has a great social life, a part time job, she's at college. So we just pass each other in the house. My son hates me so honey I aint judging. My parents have rejected me for not reflecting back their rosy view of themselves, so I am only connected to my daughter and my brother. that's less than half of my family talking to me. Work distracts me. Hobbies distract me. Hope is there, but not what I hang my optimism on. I would rather believe that i'll learn to live with this than pin all of my hopes on my son resolving his anger issues and my mother deciding to listen and my spineless father doing the right thing. My parents ''helped'' (aka, controlled) my parenting of my children growing up. They tried to give my children their values and shshshsd my children if they said so much as ''shit'' and they reprimanded them for not being modestly dressed/clean enough or jsut sitting around relaxing. NO comprehension of the fact that another parent, *their* parent might view life differently and not want to chastise her kids for taking an hour to chill out. Anyway, my son decided he hated me and went to live with my parents and they feel they have ''won''. They are ridiculous but I won't fight that one. I told my son I was glad he was safe, and I said to him that I hoped one day he'd value having a mother. Got a string of insults back. No tangible reasons for why he hates me so much. It's lucky I've had therapy.....
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