I appreciate your honesty brother. Keep studying, the hardest thing that I ever did and continue to do. Is to forget what I have learned and read the Bible for what it says.

Please pray for my family. My wife has fallen for this heresy. We are constantly fighting and going at eachothers throats now because of this hallelujah scripture nonsense. Please pray for Ruben and Vicky.

So appreciate the work you do!

The late Keith Green wrote a very thorough article called Catholic Chronicles which is easily found online. He wrote the article shortly before his death and his ministry took it out of publication soon thereafter but people have kept it in circulation.

Amen!! I really like this approach to showing the folly of this aberrant new teaching.

I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you’ve done on refuting modern day Judaizers. I’ve just discovered your channel today and I’ve been binging your videos in last minute prep for a live stream I’m doing tonight. I am currently preaching through The Sermon On The Mount on my live web show which is just simply called “Cerebral Faith Live”. And as you know, one of the Judaizer’s favorite proof texts is found in this sermon of Jesus. I’m using your video to help equip me as best I can to deal with potential pushback during the Q&A portion of the show. God bless you.

Blessings Rob. Thank you so much for your ministry. I also have a Hebrew Roots friend that reads the AENT by Andrew Gabriel Roth. Can you do a video/review on that Bible version?

I have a question Rob. If I wanted to extensively read the writings of the early church, where would I go? Is there a book that puts these all together or do I just scour the internet? I worry about the translations of them being correct.

What day did Yah change the Sabbath? when John the bapatist was born or when he arrived on the scene, at the Death, Burial or Resurrection of Yahshua?, When he ascended?, at Pentecost?, After the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?, all of the above, none of the above? was it a gradual change over a period of months and years--- in your opinion...Did Yah use the Catholic church or Constantine to make it official...Did Yah change his mind in time, space matter or was this change I am assuming pre-ordained before the foundations of the earth ---Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks

Dear, Rob, What’s your take on Salvation? How can I be saved according to the Bible? What verse can you give me that talks about salvation? I’m very interested in reading your answers, thanks.

How does the new testament handle passages like Isaiah 2? Doesn't the text imply that genitles will come to Jerusalem to learn Torah? Is that a new Jerusalem prophecy? Is that torah referring to the the law of Christ? Thoughts?

Works and Belief!, Shalom Be blessed in Yahuah through His Son Yahusha

My well intentioned brother in law gave us each a Hebraic Roots Bible. I originally found it to be a lazy translation with little theological thought. Recently I have found glaring omissions and out and out lies in the notes.

It depends if you follow the first good sower ...or you follow that second sower ( UNDERSTAND THE PARABLE )

At 3:12 I paused to let you know before continuing on with the Video, I started thinking the feasts and sabbaths were important to Yah and that they were forever to be "rehearsed throughout your generations"from reading the word, before ever hearing or knowing there was a "Hebrew Roots group ie...movement" now I'll see if you can change my mind with this Video. (Continuing on)

God bless you always brother

Rob, can you make a video discussion about Isiah 43:25

Listening, having been in most sects of Messianic and some sects of HebRoot. They are different theologically and interpretation and application to lifestyle. Will you pick up on that? I will keep running comments here. I like how you present info and provide fair context RL.

Billy Graham graduated from Wheaton College in 1943 with a degree in anthropology. Wheaton gave him an honorary degree in 1956. Graham believed in what Charles Finney preached in the Second Great Awakening. Tim Keller grew up in a mainline Lutheran denomination. As a teenager, during confirmation, a Lutheran cleric and social activist introduced him to a Christian version of social liberation founded in a "spirit of love." Soon after, the Kellers started attending a conservative Methodist church which helped reinforce their son's more tradition conception of God and the reality of Hell. While attending Bucknell University, in his home state of Penn., Keller learned the " reigning ideologies of the time", from radical professors, including the "Neo-Marxist critical theory of the Frankfurt School."

I used to believe like you do. This is ignorance. Jesus showed us how to keep the Torah he didn’t say “Depart from me you workers of LAWlessness” for a reason.

Thank you for all that you do. I have a friend who is deeply into this movement. They use a different translation of the NT created by Michael Rood. He claims to have found the "true" original version of Matthew, and it omits all books originally written in Greek. They do not use the same Bible we do.

The question you should be asking is there ONE WAY for both Jews and Christians? Or are there two ways?

many of tge Puritans actually believed in keeping the Sabbath day even though many of them kept it on Sunday. they absolutely believed in keeping the 10 Commandments. i have listened to hundreds of sermons from the past and they absolutely did believe this way. also, there were people groups like the Waldenses that trace back to the apostolic times and they were 7th day Sabbath keepers as well.

Rob, you mentioned Herbert Armstrong as a possible start of the HRM. I think it goes further back to the Great Disappointment and the offshoots from that time. Many of Armstrong's "doctrines" came from Ellen G White​, JW's, Hislop's book "The Two Babylons", and the anti-Semitic Anglo-israelism movement.

Now I have a question what is the difference between a Hebrew roots and a messianic Jew?

You say that you would put it in the "nearly statistically impossible" category that false doctrines could be passed down for so long and all of these highly educated men never saw it... I'm sorry I'm confused are we talking about the modern day church or 2nd temple Judaism because that's exactly what Jesus accused them of doing, and accuses us of preemptively in the New Testament just like He did with them in the old. Do you not see the parallels between His first coming and His second? Both times we are judged for nullifying the commandments of God for the commandments of men. This "scientific" method you speak of is the same as the oral tradition of the second temple Jews. That's why so many rejected Jesus! "How could the elders possibly be wrong? The majority is correct!". Funny how we see the same propaganda coming from our church as we do our governments. We recognize our government lies to us, and our entertainment, but we don't think that lies could have seeped into our traditions as well? Jesus told us that they would creep in and lead us astray. Why do we always think it's gonna be the minority cult followers only? Jesus said few find the narrow gate... Not the many, though He wishes none would perish. Why can't we take Him at His Word?

Which of the Commandments do you feel you should follow?

I mean I personally think Acts 15:1-29, and both the context of the letters to Galatia, Romans and the Colossians are proof enough to refute Torah observers

Thank you dear brother for pouring yourself into His truth 🙏🏼 and contending for the faith. 3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1:3-4 NKJV

So they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. - Acts 28:23

“I do not believe that any man can preach the gospel who does not preach the Law. Lower the Law and you dim the light by which man perceives his guilt; this is a very serious loss to the sinner rather than a gain; for it lessens the likelihood of his conviction and conversion. I say you have deprived the gospel of its ablest auxiliary [its most powerful weapon] when you have set aside the Law. You have taken away from it the schoolmaster that is to bring men to Christ. they will never accept grace till they tremble before a just and holy Law. Therefore, the Law serves a most necessary purpose, and it must not be removed from its place. The Law cuts into the core of evil, it reveals the seat of the malady and informs us that the leprosy lies deep within. They must be slain by the Law before they can be made alive by the gospel.” Charles Spurgeon

1st a bit of back ground is needed from you if you would like to discuss a differing point of view on your points of view. I have 3 theories for you if you "if" choose to know them? I'll look for your reply. Religion labeling is "the Satan's" wotk. It's his Work to keep YAHs ie Gods people against one another and his True Word. I personally was blessed a few years ago by finding the Word. I was a man of science being an engineer and a founding member of LOIS, league of independent Scientists. I'm 54 now and I did not have a background in Religion. I had a belief in a creator, it was strengthened do to my theorized Theoreticals on space, time and matter that lead me to do a uptake of scriptures. Im now "excepting" being one of YAHs children. More like an infant... I have no Lables! It's so freeing. Halalu-YAH ! I have done much study in the Word from many, many differant Teachers. Let me tell you! once you label ie Religion, you are indoctrinated to that view point. A view point that has biascies all over it. Take care, I look forward to hearing from you! Praise YAH firmly Worship YAH humbley Give thanks for the Messiah Halalu-YAH !

The early church theology development was state control ed. The people in church were not and aren't allowed to question anything. Do you believe in grafting or replacement theology.

Hey brother please take the time to read my insights i’m only 24 years old but I’ve been a long spiritual journey and always enjoyed to study I went from evangelical to Hebrew roots to now I’m non denominational still with a deep love for the Jewish roots but don’t see it as applicable for all believers in all geographical locations in the world I was trying to be Torah observant through high school I took the sabbath so seriously that I literally chose not to pursue my passion of basketball because I couldn’t play on the sabbath even though I had the talent to maybe really do something maybe play in a community college at least it’s something I still look back at today as a missed opportunity but I just wanted to do the will of God honestly I came to the conclusion the sabbath can’t possibly be for everyone if an Alaska when they have extended periods of day light and darkness how the heck are they supposed to detect sundown ? The verse that put me in favor of sabbath observance is Isaiah 66:23 because it seems to say all mankind will keep it in the age to come (Millenium) that could still be true but what about new moon feasts or feasts that require pilgrimages to Jerusalem we just can’t physically perform them and even Jews simply do a rehearsal without a temple Even though I am no longer Hebrew roots I still choose to refrain from pork and biblically unclean foods for practical purposes not to impose it on others I do believe there’s a lot of scientific truth in it but I also see there’s no command for gentiles saying they must keep kosher. However it is true that Jesus never declared all foods clean in mark 7 it was about eating bread with unwashed hands and the phrase isn’t in the Greek or in every translation and a clear understanding of acts 10 is really about gentiles being made clean many Christians are ignorant of these things but at the same time kosher is never commanded to keep for gentiles in fact all that was most important is what’s laid out in James decision in acts 15 but im definitely open minded and I just came to my conclusions based off what makes the most logical sense. However Jewish believers are encouraged to remain Jews (1 Corinthians 7:18-acts 21) in the Middle Ages Jews were forced to eat pork and renounce Passover and any ties in anything Jewish Dr brown even mentions it was part a catholic baptismal formulas for Jews to prove conversion and that’s wrong on so many levels .. it’s also true historically the Jerusalem church headed by James the just brother of Jesus was Torah observant along with his church but these were Jews.. it’s also clear in my studies though Constantine definitely admitted he hated Jews and wanted nothing in common with them he didn’t invent Sunday worship since the early 2nd century gentle Christians honored the resurrection on Sunday obviously that’s neither a command from scripture either but a tradition that was started and later Constantine mandated it for all Christians because there were still sabbath observant Christians in Asia Minor and in the eastern parts of the world or some kept both days . However the hardest pill for me to swallow is the change from a Christian Passover to Good Friday Easter Sunday Constantine eventually mandated it for all Christians and said he didn’t want nothing in common with Jews so why depend on their calendar prior to that in the 2nd century church father polycarp disciple John went to Rome to dispute the change .. known as the quartodeciman controversy in the early church he says “We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming ... All these observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven. - Eusebius 1890, Book V Chapter 24 Rome didn’t listen and they claimed they learned another apostolic tradition probably from Paul to keep it on a Sunday eventually their view won out but this still doesn’t indicate polycarp kept the Passover like a normal Jew but instead probably held communion had a fast leading up to it like a lent type practice and remember the Lord’s atoning death as opposed to Easter Sunday focusing on the resurrection. Here’s my solution though .. Paul calls Jesus the first fruits.. the feast of first fruits is always the first Sunday after Passover we should of retained polycarp’s Christian Passover handed down by John and honored his resurrection on that first Sunday of first fruits not follow a pagan calendar in order to determine Easter.. what’s interesting we know it was changed because in other languages Easter Is the same word for Passover pascua in Spanish for example pascha in Greek. Also I have to point out the many great Christian men you mentioned are in favor of a Sunday sabbath and that we should rest on that day literally im of the mindset the sabbath Is the 7th day never Sunday but gentiles aren’t ever required to keep it but have the freedom to do so. I never found a good argument to my Alaska sabbath so I stand by that. However it is something I reflect on time to time I want to please God and if I’m wrong in any way I’d like to know the truth honestly I can read the Bible in support of it or to be against it it’s all about bringing in those presuppositions and also because the sabbath isn’t hardly mentioned in the NT I can argue from Colossians 2:16 we don’t have to but then I can argue from hebrews a sabbath rest remains it just comes down to what’s the most logical interpretation. I do want to know your insights though on why it seems at least from the OT we have to keep the sabbath in the Millenium (Isaiah 66:23) the feast of tabernacles (Zechariah 14) Dr brown is of the opinion that they will be physically kept then though they aren’t required for everyone now or some spiritualize it . However I find it interesting that Orthodox Jews don’t even believe gentiles have to keep the Torah in order to be righteous they can be Noahides still eat pork still play ball on Shabbat it’s all good in the hood if you’re not a Jew lol as long as you keep the 7 laws of Noah but I also find it interesting that Noah knew clean from unclean even before Moses was born back in genesis 7 so I’m always studying always all ears I don’t think Noah was sabbath observant. The sabbath can be a beautiful thing if done in the right spirit but can also be legalistic if done under the necessity of just doing it because you feel you have to. If God truly wants me to keep the sabbath or keep the feast days to the best of my abilities Id most certainly do it but I just don’t see it logically or historically binding for all people all times in all parts of the world. However God has called messianic Jews to be a light to their Jewish brethren and that means following their customs in light of Yeshua. Im definitely intrigued though by the quartodeciman controversy what’s your thoughts that John told polycarp to keep a Christian remembrance of Passover ? Should it have been changed ?

I have an entire new theory about this. Haven't decided yet if the hebrew movement is correct or not since I'm basically studying this by myself. But keep in mind the "apostle" Paul was Marcian's main disciple, and Paul, author of the main gospel for modern christian denominations, is in fact not present in the book of revelations (there are only 12 doors for the apostles in the New Jerusalem and Paul is supposedly the 13th apostle). Let me know if you have interest in my theory and I'll freely share everything I know.

Interesting you mention the Church Fathers, my big argument lately with my Messianic friend is over Ignatius of Antioch. I am a big fan of his, and my friend doesn't have any use for him. I think he would overturn all the Classical Theology of the Ancient Church if he could, especially the 8th day Typology.

I am not from HRM I use to keep listening your attack on HRM but still you are not getting the solid point to dilute my mind from HRB because sabath is one of the 10th commandment I want to know how Sunday replaced the sabath

Can you make a video regarding the Catholic persecution and massacres?

I think the most obvious theory of the aversion to God's law in the modern church would be a misunderstanding or misconstruing of early church writings. I think the error is more likely in Mr. Solberg's interpretation or selection of early church writings than in a consensus among the early church. From what I remember, when I studies this stuff out a bit, it was hundreds of years before the church began to show signs of straying from a more coherent view of Scripture; and much of the obvious division in theology really rose up around that same time (so that correlation seems to align with a more Torah observant understanding of that history). It isn't that the early church got it all wrong as much as the church started getting it wrong a little later. The fact that we view Augustine as an 'early church father' is a little sad. HIs heresy may not have been as blatant as Marcion, but the influence he had on some sects of the church, which is still seen today, has not been a good thing. What if this heresy which twists the gospel crept in slowly (as these things do) and what if we can see the evidence of that in the writings of the early church if we look at a large body of those writings without a bias to interpret the very early Christian writings as being in agreement with our own theology? It's been awhile, but when i looked at it that way it did tell a different story than the one Mr Solberg tells here.

Did'nt Jesus keep the 613 mitzvahs and live the law? Did Jesus tell the fledgling Christian movement they were exempt from the law of Moses, or did that come at a later date, perhaps with The First Council of Nicaea?

Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. For example on the. Sabbath day , he was hungry and he picked corn from the fields,but the priests did not like it.

I certainly agree that there is a need to "correct" the HRM, but this discussion (still) obscures what REALLY happened, Brother. Given that the last time I attempted to discuss this with you here (on the last video --and I appreciate the discourse as always), things got a bit dicey when someone else later hopped into the thread and went on a tangent, so I will continue this comment with you via email. charis kai shalom

much needed lecture

We should not be respecters of men. I do not hold myself higher than any of the men you named as great men of the faith, but scripture is truth and men (yes, even me) are fallible. We have an example of what is happening now in the Bible. Look at what was going on in the days of King Josiah. He was zealous for God, and did everything he knew to be right passed down from King David. One day a book was found in the Temple, and it was brought before King Josiah. He rent his garment because there were many things left out of the traditions of his fathers. Many of the people keeping Torah now have gone through that same experience. When we opened the book and read for ourselves while seeking Truth, we realized that our fathers have inherited lies. My own personal story was like this. When I turned to God and asked Him to show me the Truth, He did. It didn't take long to see the differences. How many of each kind of animal did Noah take on the ark? I had ALWAYS been told two of each kind. This isn't what the Word says. How did Noah know the difference between clean and unclean? Why were Cain and Able sacrificing? These questions were just the very tip of the iceberg. The whole Bible is 100 percent linked. This was a huge witness for me. When Peter says it is written, perhaps we should go and see where it's written. Jesus said go and learn, so we should go and learn what He means. Paul quotes and references the OT the majority of the time; we should understand what he is talking about. When Paul says "I told you when I was with you," we shouldn't just assume that what he says after that is all that he told them before. We should connect the dots. It's all interconnected. Jeremiah 3 talks about a divorce, and how when someone divorced becomes another's then they cannot return to the first husband. Jeremiah 3:1-11 [1]They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. [2]Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. [3]Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. [4]Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth? [5]Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest. [6]The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. [7]And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. [8]And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. [9]And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. [10]And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD. [11]And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. Romans 7 answers how the House of Israel can return. Romans 7:1-4 [1]Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? [2]For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3]So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. But our doctrines passed down wants to make this about not having to keep Torah. Christ's death didn't free us from the whole law, but gave us the opportunity to come back to Him. This is backed up by Ephesians 2 and Romans 11. You were gentiles in times past when you were heathens, but now you are part of Israel through the blood of Christ. Not by your blood, but by His. It doesn't matter if your lineage says you come from Judea or not; without the precious blood of Jesus, their branches are broken off as it says in Romans 11. If we rely on Jesus' sacrifice, we can be grafted into the olive tree. These words link up to the OT very nicely. Israel was called the green olive tree. To be a broken off branch was to be cut off from among your people. You cannot make these references and be talking about something totally different. It doesn't work like that. Logic is intact. If you think Peter's vision gave us the right to eat unclean animals, then you need to read further. Peter explains what it meant. In the next chapter he recounts what happened, and the other Apostles come to the same conclusion about what it meant. Not pigs in a blanket, but that the lost sheep can return. Paul says not to let anyone judge you in food and Sabbaths, but it would make so much more sense if we understood that he was telling them not to let the pagans bother you by ridiculing you when you abstain from unclean things or keep the Sabbath. That letter was to people like me; who are called a cultist because I love God enough to be as obedient as possible. Why are people attacking us for our love of God? Is it a salvation issue? Jesus said IF we love Him, we WILL keep His commands. We can't save ourselves by our own righteousness, not a chance. All have sinned. I do not want to hear Him say "depart from Me, I never knew you." 1 John 2:1-6 [1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [6]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 3:4-24 [4]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. [7]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. [11]For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. [12]Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. [13]Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. [14]We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. [15]Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. [16]Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. [17]But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? [18]My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. [19]And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. [20]For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. [21]Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. [22]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. [23]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. [24]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. If Jesus is God, which commands did He give? Not Talmud, or bylaws. Not Sunday Sabbath. Not traditions of men. People keep calling it Mosaic Laws, but Moses didn't devise them. God gave them to His people through Moses. Open your eyes, and unstop your ears. Not to hear or see what I am saying or showing. Not to hear or see what the church fathers believed. Turn to God for yourselves. Ask for wisdom.

Today is Good Friday I went to church for the passion of Christ. For those that aren’t familiar they read from several gospels and some Old Testament scriptures. They finish with prayers. Specifically prayers for Jewish people that they may come to find the Truth in our Messiah. Now why would they pray that if they have such hatred towards Jewish things? I think a lot of these messianic Jews or Hebrew roots people have never actually step foot in any Christian church to hear what the priests actually read.

One major factor in the apostasy is that evil men crept in unawares and basically changed the definition of grace. I feel pretty sure that many of the Protestant Reformers that you refer to like Luther, Huss, Tyndall etc were asked why they thought they knew better than their predecessors. For YHVH to be the great Revealer He first had to be the great concealer. He really enjoys hiding things from the wise and prudent so He can reveal it to babes at His discretion. I was more than a little bit surprised when you mentioned Ignatius of Loyola on the same par as Luther, Huss and Spurgeon etc. Unless I’ve been misinformed Ignatius was on the opposite end of the spectrum from the other men you mentioned. Their differences were more than minor doctrinal issues. Many Protestants who followed the “sola scriptura” teaching to its ultimate conclusion would end up “remembering the sabbath” instead of relying on the traditions of 2nd century “church fathers.”

If I am understanding you correctly... your assertion is that the early church leaders (2nd - 6th centuries) did not act adversarially with regard to separating a developing "Christian" orthodoxy from a developing orthodox Rabbinic Judaism? It appears that both of these developing "religious sects" authored discourses of polemical rhetoric that created heresiological markers of disassociation of one from the other. While neither side should be excused for their part in the "parting of the ways"... we have evidence that both sought to distinguish themselves from the other... therefore, it had to have an effect on scriptural understanding and interpretations not only then, but persisting for the centuries following through today! I am really enjoying your videos and have followed mostly in full agreement... but this one has me baffled a bit. Blessings

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So obviously we're not under the law of Moses but what about the Qur'an law or as others would say the law of Noah, isn't that given to all humanity?

Welp"many will come in my name" he says

In response to what you think about all these theologians. ”In that very hour, He was overjoyed in the Ruach ha-Kodesh and said, “I praise You, Father, Master of the universe, that You have hidden these things from the wise and discerning and revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was pleasing to You. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.” Then turning to the disciples, He said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you see! For I tell you, many prophets and kings desired to see what you are seeing yet did not see, and to hear what you are hearing yet did not hear.”“ ‭‭Luke‬ ‭10‬:‭21‬-‭24‬ ‭TLV‬‬ Saved by grace through faith, live by Torah in grace.

Awesome videos, wife got divorced following torah

Title should read... "Does being in covenant even make sense for Christians?"

Have a look at the works of Dr Marvin M Arnold, particularly " the bible, trinity and Matthew 28:19. The modern " Church " has it's origin in first century apostacy. The epistles are full of references to apostates the blended Greek mythology into their theology producing Roman Catholicism and the protestant denominations.

Yes Love in us, a new heart guided by the word the Holy spirit guides us and love fullfills the Law Gods love and Jesus work for us, in us and through us. Love doesnt sin against God others or self.

I have a lot of videos about Calvin vs Armenian view points in my stream. Where do you stand on this and why? I get a little tired of the denominational bickering, it all seems so human! Would be nice to see where I stand having looked at the arguments for both schools. As a wreched sinner I like the grace alone view point but what if that is wrong and I run out of oil…….!

didnt paul dot he feasts and stuff?

The Sabbath is a Commandment of God. And God's Law is still in place.

Nice philosophy🤔 but I guess I was looking for more scriptural positions on the subject …in the end that’s all that matters. What does the scripture say and the true intent.

In Theory One you ask if antijewish sentiment "negatively affected the early christian church?".A strange question- a bit like asking if Hitler's anti jewish sentiment negatively affected the Nazi movement.

"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them;neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs;for I will not hear the melody of thy viols." (Amos5:21-25)

It's a bit of a non-issue anyway, because any new club is allowed to write its own rules - Christianity decided ( mainly by Peter's dream) that the old Mosaic laws don't need to be followed by Christians.End of story

What sums this up God told Jeremiah that the days were coming that he make a new covenant with house Israel and Judah not like the one he made with their fathers. This makes the one of the sacrifices of animals makes the other ones obsolete that makes the one that Jesus did makes the others invalid for salvation. In Hebrews it tell us that the old covenant made nothing perfect, it was weak in the flesh , even though it was holy and good, it didn't blot out the sins, it just covered them. Similar to a bloched up painting, it only covered the mistakes. Jesus gives the true picture and cleans it up. Now we are free from sin and have new heart.

The Glory of the Cross poem See him there at Calvary dressed out in full array The penalty for sinners Gods justice on display The slaughtered lamb now speaking, His soul is open wide I'm smitten and forsaken, My God My God Oh Why! A mocking crowd comes tempting, with wagging heads allied A crown of thorns they gave him, set hard above his eye Yet some in sore amazement, let out a desperate cry! 'Tis Jesus friend of sinners, My God My God Oh Why Then the earth began to tremble and the sun now shut its eyes Lest sin should reign eternal, the cursed of God must die With troubled hearts we see him, but faithful we must be This blessed act of mercy , t'was My God My God for me! His sheep had all been scattered, alone and all undone His Fathers heart now grieving, they'd soon have aid to come His work was now accomplished, the trembling cup lay bare Sins darkness now upon Him, as he hung in great despair Before the day was finished, His parched lips would rehearse The only words befitting, My God My God I Thirst Through smitten, bruised, abandoned, faith eye would let him see In three days he would be risen, with the keys of victory At the dawning of the morning on the first day of the week He left the grave behind him, now gone to tend his sheep He spoke with his disciples, at a dinner by the sea Three times he asked one question, Peter lovest me? The Righteous King Eternal, t'was this man from Galilee By faith, you can receive him and live life full and free All nations now are groaning, while silent hearts just cry A broken heart of sorrows, O' our God will not deny Return thy tears of sorrow, to the One who died for thee No! You have not been forsaken, just but look to Calvary JS 2014

I think hell is in the heavenly places: Ephesians 6:12 We do not wrestle against fleash and blood but…….. against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places; and also in this valley of the shadow of death obviously!

So... Here is what GOD said about it... "...Jer 12:14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them. Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land. Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people. Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD..." What did HE just say... YOU, no matter what any man writes or says at Any time, must learn and do The same as The House of Israel..." That leaves a whole lot of explaining from the Christian front, How they think this does not apply to them... And there is also the Quote from The Messiah... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." In direct agreement with The Fathers Words...

So where far I heard most of this before, Torah is different between right and wrong. Did Yahushua-Jesus really mean that he could now eat any? Then it go on to say call no man unclean. The Pharisees made up there own oral laws. Its wasn't just that came out of Egypt, sojourner. No where in Torah does it say you had to be a Jews to join Israel. Yea what comes out of man's mouth shows what he got in his heart. Was Yahushua-Jesus talking about unclean food? ( made all food clean) Is that even in the original text? How is honoring to keep pagan Feasts Christmas and Easter? I love the King James bible, but they couldn't even translate Easter to Passover. And the Name YHWH is changed 6,823 to LORD like most bible, How do get three days three between Good Friday to Easter Sunday morning sun god Worship. Deut 18v10, O' where not under the law, but under Grace, I think I'll go to Spiritualist on Sunday, whether you want to call it Hebrew Roots, Torah movement. I don't believe the church is telling the whole Truth and some Hebrew Roots group are when wrong. I was in church 17yrs, cause something was wrong.

I find it interesting that you do not attack the HRM from a scriptural standpoint. Maybe you did that in another video. But in staying out of the Bible, I noticed that you skipped completely over a thorough examination into Constantine and his motives. Therein you will find much proof text of the antisemitism that abounded in those days and did in fact become normative over the next 1700 years. Consider that his edict for allowing rest on Sundays was equally beneficial to all of the pagan religions in the area as well, not to mention the commentary on the subject from Eusebius of Caesarea. That's just on the surface. You need to take your studies into the Council at Nicaea and as far as the Council of Laodicea (specifically Canon XXIX). If you really want a deep dig, read what the Roman Catholic Catechism says concerning Sabbath vs Sunday. Since both the Anglican communions and the protestant denominations are the offspring of the Roman Catholic Church created as a result of that Constantinian era. You really only proved your point by leaving out the most important and damning information. And OBTW, what religion is the richest in the world, has its own government and ultimately believes that all Christian denominations should be under its authority?

Rob why do you see one portions of scripture meant for Jews and others meant for Christians when it's God's feast and God's commandments?

07.28.2021 Thank you so very much, Brother Rob for explaining the HRM. I came across a HRM group towards the latter part of 2018. I'd rather not discuss my experience with the group as a whole or any individual in particular on this open forum. One on these days, I'll send an email. Thank you again for addressing this important subject. May our Father Yehovah richly bless you, Brother Rob.👊

Matt 5:19 Matthew 28:19-20

Jesus never mentioned a book, the NT, he told of a helper in the way of the Holy Spirit revealed at Pentecost. That is it? Connect to the Holy Spirit and your good to go!

In a reply to me by a HRM follower I asked why he would not talk about the Cross in his numerous ' You are crusading against the HRM because of the hardness of your heart"........I asked why he didn't mention the Cross in his comments. "I'm not playing that game. I don't believe in your interpretation of the Cross." Rob, the HRM denies the Cross....and there is no nice, " nuanced" way to put that.

The fact that a theologian thinks that keeping the Torah is "jewish" is all you need to know to disregard everything else he says.

Wow! You present so many points that I would like to address. When you speak of "Christianity" please note that you are speaking of "Western Christianity which includes Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism. Eastern Orthodox, Greek, Ethiopic churches do have slightly different doctrines than Western Christianity. Also the NT cannons vary between even Catholicism and most Protestant, Orthodox & Ethiopic churches. Adding that even in Judaism, modern Orthodox Judaism, is different than 1St century Judaism. To begin with, What you and most Christian theologians fall short is you IGNORE Messiah's very words in Matthew 28:19a - 20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you". If theologians would have taught obedience to WHATSOEVER He commanded, the church would have taken a different trajectory. So maybe you can explain why *you ignore* Messiah's final command to His Apostles here. Do also remember that once a covenant is "ratified" no changes can be made to it adding or subtracting any points included beforehand. This is why one cannot after His resurrection simply remove & declare Sabbath observance, as optional and add Sunday observance as preferred. It maters not what it appears the "early church" seemed to be doing, (they did not set the terms of the covenant). There are translations that show these bible verses used to support Sunday services were actually on the 7th Day Sabbath, evidenced in even some early English bible translations. Scribal glosses are often the reason where there seems to be scriptures that are contradictory of difficult understand. So do a program on why we should NOT teach "Christ believers" to obey whatsoever He commanded His disciples, one thing He taught was Sabbath observance. Luke 4:16, Luke 23:56. To address Matt. 5:17, you as others have not researched this thoroughly, but have depended upon others' interpretation. In the Greek will find what He meant to FULFILL: to FULFILL G4137: universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i. e. ****"to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed***** as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Matthew 5:17; biblehub.com/greek/4137.htm Romans 8:7, shows it it man's carnal mind that keeps them from accepting God's law. That is why through all the centuries, who did not want the law, could not see the truth in the scriptures. They build there seminaries, upon antinomian doctrines and interpretation of scriptures. --------- Straight from Jesus'/Yahshua's mouth, through the Greek of the NT, we are told that His fulfillment of the law, was to ***** SHOW US HOW TO KEEP IT!!! **** Then as I asked before show us where and with whom Jesus made a "New Covenant" according to Jer. 31. The prophecy was the New Covenant was to be with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH. They were not present at the "Last Supper" therefore obviously did not consent to a *New Covenant* with Jesus... You are also a victim of "Replacement Theology" if you teach the New Covenant" was made without them, and God has broken His word, and did not fulfill His prophecy in Jer 31. Romans 11:27, shows the "New Covenant" was yet to be made with Israel. If what you teach was true, the Apostles on the day of Pentecost and in the book of Acts would have been proclaiming to every new audience and every new believer that they had entered the New Covenant, but THEY DID NOT! What was the "New Covenant" a secret???? On the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, the Jews came to worship in Jerusalem, with animals to sacrifice, some became believers, and they were not told to stop keeping the law, stop keeping the Sabbath, stop eating Kosher. So you have no evidence that what you assume was taught, after the cross, was ever taught to new believers, this book addresses 30 to 40 years of early church history. Here is a simple bible law to research, also found prohibited in Acts 15 is the "eating of blood". This commandment dates back to Noah. This commandment was kept in the early church until about the year 1000A.D. Why weren't you taught this in seminary? Why didn't you research this yourself? Will await your responses. Pick any or all of these subjects on which to do a video.

same thing the Pharisees said to Messiah and the disciples. you trust to much in men in the past especially Men through the era called DARK AGES.

And, there is no hell in Genesis!

I agree Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works lest any man should boast.However grace is not the only thing needed to enter into heaven lets look at verse 10 For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus to good works which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. we need good works and what is good is described in Romans 7:12 wherefore the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good. some people in order to refute that we need to keep the law will quote Romans 10:4 for Christ is the end of the law to righteousness to everyone who believes. However if you look at the greek word telos it means aim/purpose so a proper translation would be for Christ is the aim of the law not the end of it. because as it is written in revelation 22:14 blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city so according to scripture and not a mans doctrine we must keep the commandments to enter heaven. as paul also wrote in Romans 2:12-13 And as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law for not the hearers of the law are just before God but the doers of the law shall be justified.

I don't think the law applies to Christians today, but some teachings of the church are not biblical. For example, philosophy was mixed up with faith early on, resulting in false teachings. Who did this and with what motivation? Of course there are different reasons and motives why this happened, but we should never forget that we are in a spiritual battle and Satan is doing everything he can to undermine our relationship with our heavenly Father. He uses various means, sometimes mixing the truth with lies. It worked really well for the first humans, so why should he change his tactics?

I posted a long comment recently, but I want to use this thread to tackle some misconceptions. First off Jew does not equal Israel. There are many Atheists that are Jewish, and many that reject Jesus as Messiah. These are broken branches. I'm not boasting against them, but merely stating facts. If they repent and turn to Jesus they can be grafted in again, and I want that for everyone. Second, Gentile is not a people group per se. It means Nations, and is sometimes interpreted as heathen. Gentiles are all of the people outside of God's Holy People. They can be grafted in as per Romans 11, and they become part of Israel as per Ephesians 2. Paul was sent to the gentiles to show them how they can be brought near, or come in. Third, I want to focus on Torah observance for salvation. I've heard many "teachers" saying that Torah observant people think that Torah keeping is a salvational issue. It is very much so. I will portray this using tactics that modern Christians use. "Is murder without repentance a salvational issue? I would say so. Oh then you believe that by not murdering, you can earn your own salvation! Nope. Well then murder isn't a salvational issue?" You see; murder without repentance excludes you from entering the Kingdom. Refraining from murder is obedience to God's command, but it doesn't take away your other past sins. The only thing that can remove sin is the blood of Jesus. That doesn't give us license to sin anytime we want but offers grace when we make a mistake. Keeping God's commands is most definitely a salvation issue, but none can keep it perfectly. Jesus did keep it perfectly, but that doesn't mean He kept every single command. He was not a woman and so those laws did not apply to Him. In modern society, I am not expected to weigh my truck at weigh stations because I am not a commercial truck driver. God had laws for farmers that do not apply to us if we aren't farmers. There were laws specifically for Kings. There were some only for Priests. Many people do not understand this because they glaze over the OT thinking it's not for them. This is what we have been taught by men. Should we go back to stoning people? If there were judges in the city gate judging according to God's law, then yes we should. Without righteous judges as Moses prescribed, then stoning is not valid. That doesn't invalidate the rest of God's Word. I get that the producer of this video is against the hypocrites of the HR movement judging people based on the pronunciation of God's name or condemning people to hell. I am against this too. I am not attacking this man, because I love him. I disagree wholeheartedly with alot of what he says, but I would give my sight so that he could see the Truth. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, and many will see the Truth and still reject it. Back to my points. Third is that many in the Torah observance area are new in their walk, and some are overly zealous. Lumping them all together is just trying to make a new denomination out of a bunch of people waking up to the Truth. The Truth is the Word of God. Not the early church fathers, or any other opinion of men. My doctrine is that of my Master's, and His was from The Father. Look no further than scripture for your doctrine. It's fine to hear opinions and parables about how to love others, but test EVERYTHING to Scripture. Pastors are supposed to feed the sheep, not indoctrinate them. The Word is the food, but their own traditions from the pulpit will have you eating amongst the pigs. Repent, and the Father will welcome you with open arms.

You say the law of moses. It was given to moses from God YHVH torah means instuctions . These are Gods instructions given to 12 tribes and a mix multitude that came out of egypt ..all was present all was included all agreed to the law (instructions) of our God. As a everlasting covenant for all their generations . Which are still having generations to this day

lets talk about the feasts. forget about whether we have to keep them. my question would be why would we not want to keep the only real Holidays that God ordained instead of manmade ones that he did not give. it doesnt make any sense to me that he would want us making up days mixed with other traditions like santa claus and easter bunnies, and be ok with that while we pay no reguard to the actual fulfillment of the death, burial, and resurrection on Passover, Unleavened bread, and first fruits. these are the real days he fulfilled, and man has made up their own days and mixed it with pagan traditions. Whether we have to observe them or not, we should want to. and if we Love him, we should want to keep his word pure and get rid of anything that profanes it or that man made up. we can make up grest reasons to celebrate God the way we want, but that doesnt make it right. we should want to keep his set apart feasts.

Why do you Ignore Christ's command in Matthew 23:1-3? Any one who relaxes the least of these commands will be least in the Kingdom? The great Commission calls us to do and to teach ALL that Christ Commands!

It's not the Law of Moses....it's the Law and the PROPHETS, and the weightier matters of the law "mercy and judgement" plus all is not fulfilled yet.

Clement wasn't fallible.

You lost me at 10:00 saying that the Apostles didn't see a need to keep the Sabbath. You should keep the Sabbath (they kept the command) commandment #4 because you (are saved) (not to be saved) It's a commandment that shows WHO you are worshiping. Are you worshipping the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob or some new hip god that we can do anything. be homosexuals, adulterers, or murders go down the list there are10? Which ones should we throw out? Christianity in my opinion is to blame for the shape of the world today. If you throw out one of God's commands you are in essence throwing them all out, so how can you say to the homosexual that their sin Is not to be judged, or the adulterer, Or the murderer? if you can plan weekly on breaking the 4th commandment. So Sin runs rampant In the world today, with no checks and balances. God's law still stands. And we are paying the price. It is the Law of the sacrificial priesthood that changed (Jesus Changed)through his death taking away the penalty we deserve and receiving that penalty unto himself Nailing" IT" "OUR PENALTY" to the cross not doing away with the command.

My current study is from the actual words of Yeshua The Messiah of Nazareth. “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:17-20 Now, Paul said we don't need to follow the law to be saved. Yet if you want to be Great in heaven. You are too follow the Law of Moses. Look at what Yeshua said to the Rich Man. I'll let you study that. Now, in my studying, Yeshua Himself always followed The Law of Moses. If We are to be like Yeshua, or attempt to live as HE did. We should follow the Law of Moses

We are to be followers of Paul

You are the one who fall short. Read below with a humble heart. If not, you will not understand it. It was sent to the Jewish people who teach the Law of Moses: First of all I want to introduce myself to you. The Lord God called me the daughter of Zion because I teach the Gospel of Lord Jesus, the Lord of hosts, based on the Law and Prophets and the Testimony of Christ, and I was born in Mount Zion. Based on the prophecy Mount Zion, Heavenly Jerusalem, is called the Kingdom of God. Lord Jesus said Mount Zion was used to be in Israel. When the Jews rejected His teaching, the Holy Father took His Kingdom from Israel and gave to the other nation that will give the fruits to it. Holy prophets prophesied the salvation of God will be split in two. One will come from the east and the other in the west. Mount Zion is relocated in the east, and Israel stays in the west. Isaiah prophesied Mount Zion is called the place of feet of God, a holy place where He will stand at His coming to judge the world in righteousness and in truth. Psalm 78:67-69 Moreover He rejected the tent of Joseph, and did not choose the tribe of Ephraim, but chose the tribe of Judah, Mount Zion which He loved. And He built His sanctuary like the heights, like the earth which He has established forever. Isaiah 60:13 The glory of Lebanon shall come to you, the cypress, the pine, and the box tree together, to beautify the place of My sanctuary; And I will make the place of My feet glorious. Matthew 21:43-45 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder. Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. There is only one island in the world has the shape of a man’s foot. It is Negros island, Philippines; This country is located in the far east Asia, a place also where I was born. The Lord God said in the prophecy He will not give His praise to the pagans. People who will rebuild Mount Zion are not pagans; They came from the tribe of Judah, my root. We are called the children of Zion. Here is the history why the tribe of Judah ended up in Asia. After the Lord Jesus ascended to Heaven, the children of Israel and children of Zion scattered in the four corners of the earth and the country Israel was desolate for almost 2000 years. Luke 13:35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ One of the country that they migrated and mingled through marriages was Spain, a place where my ancestors came from. Then they went to colonize Philippines. Many of the Jews went to Europe where they were left few in number as it is written in the Books of Moses. Deuteronomy 4:27+29 And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you. And there you will serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell. But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul. Now that you know about me, let me tell you the purpose of the Jews and children of Zion in the world of Gentiles. Based on the words of God the earth will become the Kingdom of God. You know what that means when the Lord God turns the earth into His Kingdom, it has to be holy as Him. For it is written God is holy and those who want to serve Him must be holy. The world is filled with people who have uncircumcised hearts; They worship graven images, love all sorts of celebrations, prideful and envious. They are like an untrained bull. The words of God said people who behave as such cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and this mean they will be destroyed just as in the days of Noah or in the cities of Sodom and Gommorah. The Book of Ezekiel said He is a God who has no pleasure when one dies. He called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to establish His Kingdom on earth. The purpose of building the country Israel is to give the Gentile nations a chance to learn His truth, their purpose on earth and living holy life. He sent Moses and His prophets to teach them holy life on the basis of obedience to the Law of Moses Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. The Law of Moses is not just a law but the foundation of the government rule of God, righteousness, justice and a way of life to live by in order to obtain eternal life. Eternal life that the Lord God is talking about is a life without physical death. Because no one can obey it perfectly, the Jews whom the Lord God appointed teachers of righteousness or the Law of Moses sinned and also condemned. Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin. Romans 2:17-24 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written. You can read in the Books of Samuel, when king Saul transgressed God’s holy commandment, he became more evil. He envied and wanted to kill king David. So transgressing the Law of Moses will make one unclean. That is what happened with the Jewish nation. They are also as unclean as the Gentiles. Lord Jesus came to save the Jews from condemnation and Hell for sinning against His Law. Here is the summary of the salvation of God; The work of the Law of Moses is to wash the Jews and Gentiles from paganism, while the work of the salvation of the Lord Jesus is to wash their hearts from iniquities such as pride, envy and lies that came from transgressing the Law of Moses. True salvation of God must come with three teachings: Law of Moses, Prophets and the Testimony of the Lord Jesus. Based on the Testimony of the Lord Jesus and Paul, Gentiles have no part of the Kingdom of God or called the children of God unless they are first tutored by the Law of Moses. Matthew 15:22-26 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.” But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.” But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” Galatians 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. The Book of Daniel prophesied there will be a time when the Gentiles will rise up and rule the world. They entered into the country Israel and changed the everlasting ordinance of God from the Law of Moses into democracy that came from Greek gods. They are teaching the people to use their freedom to do whatever they want. That is how the country Israel become defiled with the sins of the Gentiles. As you can see pagan priests have freedom to march with their carved images “abominations” in the streets of Jerusalem. The worse thing is their religions are perverting the teaching of Lord Jesus and Paul; They said they are no longer under the Law of Moses, and they do it in the name of Christ. Lord Jesus said when you see these abominations of desolation spoken by Daniel you must flee because the Lord God will take vengeance for rejecting His Law. Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people- The fruit of their thoughts, because they have not heeded My words nor My Law, but rejected it. Mark 13:14 So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Let those who can understand the writing of the Spirit and the bride come. Lord God of hosts, Holy Father Lord of hosts, Lord Jesus The Spirit and the bride Mount Zion, Heavenly Jerusalem Gabriel, an angel of the Lord

Hi I have a question for you that you do not answer the question you run away with the question my question to you the Bible said very clear the Messiah coming from the House of David from the family tribe King David from the orange the fruit of the stomach of the King David you can find שמואל ב and you can find it in the book of The King David תהילים that's it very clear the Messiah will come with the body of the King David how Jesus is the messiah when he's not from the House of David who is not the seed of David like you said is God waiting to you answer thank you

'Bring no more vain oblations;incense is an abomination unto me;the new moons and sabbaths,the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:they are a trouble unto me;I am weary to bear them. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you;yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear:your hands are full of blood ." (Isaiah 6:8-10)

1:54 Jesus qualified who His "friends" are which those practicing Torahism have not yet attained to "friend" status. The "no more slave" status of a "friend" accords with the allegory Paul gave in Galatians concerning Hagar and Sinai. G4.7 (Dabhar Translation) So then you are no more a slave, but a son; but if a son, then also law-according allottee through God. G4.24 Which any statements are allegorical; for these are the two covenants: one from Mount Sinai (Moses), letting become into SLAVERY, which any is Hagar...." J15.15 (Dabhar Translation) No more do I say-call you SLAVE, since THE SLAVE does not perceive what his Lord does, but to you I have talked AS TO FRIENDS, since all which I heard from beside My Father, I made known to you. So we should think about who we also talk to as "friends" 1:54 who want to still slave according to the "fleshy-inner aims" Hebrews 7.16.

Marcion loved paul and only wanted paul

Everyone here DID JESUS QUOTE AND ENFORCE A OLD TESTAMENT LAW IN REVELATION ? ( THEREBY PROVING THIS FOOLS THEORY WRONG) !!

yes, we were tricked. Easter, xmas, sun-day worship. the adversary will provide enough shiny substitutes to pull one away from the simple truth of the word.

Like marcion the church only wants to believe pauĺ

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. This scripture throws a monkey wrench inside the whole theory that the truth about keeping God's law was kept from people for over 2000 years. Christians today do not have to keep the old covenant. Acts 15 as well as other scriptures are pretty clear about that. Jesus the Christ is the end of the law he is the fulfillment of the law, he is our Sabbath rest in God he is our Passover.

It can only be a problem for you because of your trinity theology. Because of it you see Yeshua and God of Old Testament as different personalities with different opinions.

Being saved does NOT make you a Jew! Do not forget that the Jews were chosen by Jahwe as His people since Abraham. We as gentiles are saved by the Fathers grace and Jesus' blood. I cannot believe we are now Jewish and should keep all the laws laid down centuries ago for the Jews. The commandments are general and a lot of the other laws common sense, but they were instituted for God's favourite people - to keep them seperate.

The Law=Torah that Elohim give Moses, Elohim"s Torah.