You don't understand because in your mind is the Atlantic Slave trade

I am also confused

😮‍💨 Honestly it is tough, but God doesn't want us to have slaves, hence why there are things like the year of Jubilee. But also, if God killed or destroyed us for everything He didn't like we'd all be dead😔 But the examples of how God wants life to be is the Garden of Eden pre-sin, and heaven/earth after the final judgement. ❤✝️

Because God condone slavery. As far as I know, he doesn't speak against slavery. This guy is just trying to spin it.

@@naklovesjesus3204are you actually delusional, he is an “all powerful being” he can literally erase sin, he is choosing not to though, your “god” created everything including sin, he is puppeting his own “enemy”

Yeah its clear the Bible condones slavery and only the Israelites were to be treated well and released at Jubilee which makes me sad

There's a difference between the slavery of african americans and the slavery of people in the Bible

You should keep reading further down. Googling what’s convenient to make a point ain’t enough.

Let me put this into perspective. First off, biblical slavery wasn't the same as modern day slaves. In these times, slaves were hired to pay off a debt. They weren't taken or forced to work against their will, (in fact, the Bible actually speaks against that.) they willingly became slaves. Secondly, in this time period, having slaves was seen as the norm. The slaves didn't have rights, no repercussions for killing them, etc. But, looking at early history and the rules the Israelites had, their moral standard was way ahead of their time. These slaves were given rights, food, a wife, and the ability to stay or leave after a certain amount of time (or they could buy themselves out at any time). The fact that you could be killed because you killed a slave was UNHEARD of. Also keep in mind, and this has been echoed many times throughout scripture, the Mosaic Law was TEMPORAL and applied to the Israelites up until Jesus, where he established his own covenant. Having slaves was a way for the economy to thrive at that point. Not having slaves would result in so many homeless families and deaths. And, I'm sure you're gonna say, "well, he could have just banned slavery," and to that I say, absolutely not. That would have been a horrible idea. People had already rebelled against God's word (A good majority, actually), so if you were to ban something that was deemed so acceptable at the time? People would go haywire, and they'd rebel against it. So, that would mean slaves would still exist, but this time, there wouldn't be any protection for slaves. Instead, God REGULATED slavery. You couldn't just go out and get a slave willy nilly. And, as for the people who weren't Israelites, these people being enslaved were partaking in pagan practices such as child sacrificing, beastiality, etc. If they were to convert to an Israelite, obviously, they wouldn't deal with those things. Hope this helps!

@@gthompsonbjj "They weren't taken or forced to work against their will" Exodus 21:4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. As you can see the bible supports the enslavement of children against their will.

The perspective is that Christian try to justify an evil and vile act because of their religious beliefs.

There is no perspective or context that makes this practice universally ethical and upright. Modern society has rightly found these practices unethical. The Exodus passage is emblematic of the Biblical attitude toward all forms of slavery. It condones it.

pulling from all parts of the bible isnt always a good thing. it is not univocal and all authors had different versions of god

The verses in Exodus provide their own context. There is no passage anywhere that contradicts them.

the deut verse about not returning an escaped slave.... i wonder why this teacher didn't give us context? that verse was within a context talking about israelites and not chattel slaves.....

God does condemn these things. The Bible is one story. God set ups His ideal in the Garden of Eden. People ruled over animals, not other people. He then made laws in the OT which took peoples hardened, sinful hearts into account. Then in the NT he reiterates much of the garden ideal. When God set up a civil law for Isreal in Canaan, He sometimes made laws that were not the ideal. They were for people’s hardness of heart. For example, Jesus said Moses gave certificates of divorce for people’s harness of heart, but it wasn’t the ideal. I believe it polygamy and slavery fit in this category. They were not the ideal set up in the garden and they are later censured in the New Testament when the Holy Spirit comes in and softens our hard hearts. When Gid gives a new heaven and a new earth and our hearts are perfect we will no longer need laws about slavery, for example, because it just won’t exist.

God seems to negotiate with his people. Alen covers that aspect.

@@branver1172 "certificates of divorce for people’s harness of heart," So why not also issue certificates of adultery or bestiality or everything else for people's hardness of heart? Yet, both adultery and bestiality warrant death, but owning a person as property for between seven years and a lifetime is just regulated so you don't outright beat them to an immediate death. 🙄

@@kerwinbrown4180Is God some kind of politician, that he has to negotiate? Why didn't God negotiate on picking sticks during the Sabbath (penalty: stoning to death)?

@@AtheismActually I would take time to answer, except your eye roll shows me you are not really asking.

Preach!

I really needed to hear that. Thank you so much.

@@thebeatagphey bro check out zephiniah 3:10 bro it’s kinda relatable to this video

Well said Sister, just keep walking by Faith and trust in Jesus, because we are free because of Jesus. We are children of the Kingdom of God, Amen Amen Amen 😊😊

Didn’t the blacks slaves also had whippings, torture, mutilation, imprisonment, and being sold away from the plantation and women were by their masters

I believe we suffered so much because of sin. God allowed it for whatever reason. Most likely we were living in sin. Or even because we were the weaker tribe. Stronger tribes conquer weaker tribes all the time. Then we were sold off to Europeans and Arabs, the muslims. At the end of the day it is what it is. It exposes the sin of man at the end of the day. We live in a fallen world and never forget that. Thank God none of us today had to deal with what our ancestors had to deal with. Glory to God for freedom. Especially freedom in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

You appear not to have understood Leviticus 25:44-46 it was identical to chattel slavery.

​​@@tinaf600but why black people have to suffer the most of all races tho??? We went through far worse than hispanic and white people ever had are we some kind of special people bcus others why would Satan hate us so much it's far about us blacks than we know of ourselves we have to be something more to God since we have to suffer so much I suffer more than the white and mexican friends I had so It has to be a meaning g and why I get much more spiritual attacks I love Yahshua but things just don't make sense to me especially this kinda stuff fr I really feel we had to have been the first people God chosen that's all I can think of and it makes so much since of what the bible teaches of the people in Israel back then definitely had to have been black just by all the things we went and still go through we gotta be the chosen

He talked in circles and told you little lies to make you feel better, Most of what he said he literally made up himself, not the words from the bible but he added his own "wishful thinking" to make it all seem perfectly fine. Like with slavery, God never once says "Do not own another human" but instead only lays down rules for how to treat a slave. He never says the salve owner is wrong or bad, so he condones slavery, and this guy goes ahead and adds his own words "God never wanted people to own other people" THEN WHY DIDN'T GOD SAY EXACTLY THAT ????

​@@michaelkramer9014Exactly! I will never understand why any African American would promote and make excuses for Christianity. Especially when you learn the history of how it was utilized against them.

I recommend watching Inspiring Philosophy's three part series on this, you can watch it on his channel, just go to his channel - Inspiring Philosophy - and click on the playlist that says Mosaic Law. :)

@@babyiql It takes a THREE part series to explain it? THREE parts? How long is each part? The only time someone needs to spend this much time trying to explain something is when the entire thing is doublespeak, gaslighting, and propaganda to convince you of a perspective If it was clear that God did not allow slavery you could make a 5 minute video showing where it was said 3 Parts series... Go ahead and brainwash yourself buddy

We are servants to Christ. But Christ is a good master. There is a difference in a righteous and good master and a bad and grotesque master. Christ shows the difference

@@allisontowell7177 so you’re saying you’re a slave?

@@beetogarcia9983 I am a servant to Christ, yes. Jesus Himself became a servant to mankind.

@@allisontowell7177 I didn’t say servant

Define mental gymnastics

Yeah keep lying to us so we can feel better 😂😂😂😂😂

So the Bible contradicts itself

@@CaptainFantastic222 what a stupid comment, how does that verse make the Bible contradict itself❓slavery was never the will of God in the first place, when He created Adam and Eve He never intended men to rule over each other. The world was supposed to be perfect with Him until the fall came and sin separated us from God. This is your world bro, don’t blaspheme God in a system ran by humans 🤷🏾‍♂️ John 8:23 ”And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.“ ‭‭

@@jesuscameforrelationshipno4165 Was slavery the will of bible god with Canaan

Would "freedom" be better? For these servants no? They had no home or means to by food. There was no welfare . worse they could of been captured by neighboring people and actually made real slaves

@@jeffphelps1355 You silly and have the mind of a real slave to think freedom is not better.

accepting some one killing you then take your wife then you say thank you sir you are very Generous?

@@jamesbass6283you obviously didn’t watch the video

Excellent video Allen. I tried to explain this to an atheist recently who had convinced himself that the Bible condoned slavery(among other things, ) but he refused to accept it. I pretty much told him the same thing you said and covered in your video but he continued to say I hadn't answered his question and the Bible does condone slavery even though I plainly showed himhow it doesn't he still refused to accept it. You can't reason with a closed mind. I finally just prayed for him and moved on

Poor guy he was so decieved and lost

Slavery is ammazing ?

Not difficult, lol

Did you miss the part in Leviticus where the Israelites were able to buy slaves from the nations around them and they would be property for life? People in America understood the bible very well, it allowed slavery.

@@horridhenry9920 no worries, @horridhenry9920, I’m praying for you also! 🙏🏾

Nothing is complicated- we just have to wait upon the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you will be provided with a true and prefect answer which only The Holy Spirit can answer. Your thoughts are not mine thoughts .. Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV - “For my thoughts are not your For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher We are fallen and can be complite idiots in our fallen barbaric way . Br Godwin

I think the important thing to note is that the laws in Deuteronomy and Exedus were written to and for the Israelites. So I think it's ill-advised to transpose that to a Euro-centric slavery. If the Europeans followed what the Bible teaches they'd have never even allowed the transatlantic slave trade.

Yes . The slave master had a kjv bible. As you say very weak arguments in there

Slave master? It were the Christian’s who fought against slavery during the civil war. Btw, black people being slaves isn’t restricted to their race. Every single race has been slaves during history, so why are you stereotyping him as one based on his skin color? Because you still act like one in mind? Disgusting

They gave us a slave Bible not the Holy Bible. Do your homework

@@pastorterrelllewis5327 That's not true. They version was only pushed for a second. They gave us the bible for hundreds of years

You have the Word now, what are you doing with it? Word being yes Jesus

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Exactly!

Creating laws and regulations is not the same as supporting. There are laws about murder, does the Bible support murder? Obviously not! God knew that even if he said not to do it it'd be done anyway, as is human nature, therefore the best course of action would be to create protection laws.

Your reasoning is good just like Allen, but you do not support the act you will make a law to stop it instead of making laws to sustain the act. Unless you do nothave the power make the law then you will suggest a way to make it easier to survive. The law should simply "thou shall not enslave anyone". @@mriamo5003

​@mriamo5003 Yeah. But there are laws about how to conduct slavery. There aren't laws about how to conduct murder. See the difference?

Thanks for listening

You trippin

​@@Singhster2 when you disagree with God and the Bible then your going to say that He's sugar coating it. I've seen atheists even admit that what Allan is saying is true. It's hard to admit the truth when your so against it.

@@lionbolt2136tell me this truth that atheists admitted to instead of an anecdote, i could say “christians told me god isn’t real1!!!1!” and then give no explanation

Also reading the whole canon 66 straight through. People don't even know half the material and then live by it sloppily or reject it in ignorance. I wouldn't read tiny snippets of the Koran and go argue at a madrassa, however American Christians seem to be that grandiose (and progressive revisionists, and atheists) toward Christianity.

the problem is that the text literally says that the slave master is not to be punished if he lives. gave over for the Bible

What about Canaan? What criminal activity or wrong doing did Canaan and his descendants do to be cursed into a life of chattel slavery before he was even born? How does that work?

This is not an answer. The only answer to the question is, "Yes, and here is a better way to behave as a slave Biblically"

That’s funny. I thought he made himself look like an idiot

@@chrisbrooks4032 Just a suggestion...Google the term 'ad hominim'.

@@chrisbrooks4032how and why

@@chrisbrooks4032how and why

The bible still condones slavery. Thats never going to change until the bible changes.

I'd be willing to talk with you about it as an atheist.

The concept of humans owning other humans is wrong full stop there is no excuse.

So glad you’ve learned the art of word tap dancing. Just know there’s no way to tap dance around what’s obviously written without looking like a goddamn idiot.😊

What does it mean to be an apologetics? Real question. Thanks

@@walkinthewoods981 Apologetics is defending the faith from those who object it or attempt to disprove and discredit the faith or its doctrines.

You appear to have selectively understood what Allen said. In Leviticus chattel slavery was permitted. He tried to skate over it, but you cannot escape the fact that the Israelites were permitted to buy slaves from the nations around them and they would be property for life and an inheritance for their children.

@@horridhenry9920 Bud, SHUT UP. I’m not saying this because I’m ignoring your point (which is poor, but I’ll get to it). Spamming the comments section just makes you look like a troll. Make your point ONCE. Then stop. Believe it or not, you are not on very solid ground. Chattel slavery is where you are not considered a human. Even if lifetime, slavery as described in the Old Testament was not comparable to whatever poorly formed argument you’re trying to make for two reasons. 1. Slaves could run away if the situation was bad, either to outside Israel or to another region. There’s no provision for returning runaways anywhere in the text. There’s also a LOT of rules concerning treatment that puts them in the category of “person”. There’s so many “outs” of slavery that it’s a wonder that someone that didn’t want to be there could be kept IN. 2. Gentile slaves came from either conquest or purchase from foreign markets. It wasn’t like Israel could have its own markets because of the ban on kidnapping. Which, again ruins your attempts to connect the Bible’s description of slavery with what people in the US first think about when hearing the word “slavery”.

Any ownership of humans is immoral…

Sorry dear but what has _"Black Kings selling their own kin"_ got to do with the clear immorality of slavery ?? WHATABOUTISM in no way negates the disgusting biblical instructions from a supposed PERFECT omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent "loving" God 🤢🤮

So who exactly are you critiquing with this? It was us humans who made these arrangements.

​@malikjohn3001 that is goofy logic. A being who is moral should condemn all immoral acts including owning slaves

@@malikjohn3001 it’s a critique of the men who wrote the Bible

I see this comment a lot.

Im sorry but you have been posting this same comment for 2 years now😂i think youre a scammer at this point

Notice how modern day bullshit can be used to enslave the minds of rather gullible idiots

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What about unborn Baby Canaan and his unborn descendants being cursed into a lifetime of chattel slavery before they were even born? How does that work?

Only if you are delusional

How twisted must one's mind be to conflate working a 40 hour week with the owning and beating of people used for forced labour 🤢🤮

@@trumpbellend6717 tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point 🤢🤮

@@Brandon.Germany Your "point" was to disingenuously make an equivocation between "Slavery" and being a "worker" who works for a weekly wage was it not ? Tell me do you get to OWN "workers" as property FOREVER ? Do "workers" get PASSED ON to your decendants. When your male "worker" leaves do you get to KEEP HIS WIFE do any children they have become YOUR PROPERTY ??? Do you get to BEAT your "worker" with a rod as long as they dont die for a couple of days. ??? Can you just TAKE a female "worker" for yourself or GIVE them to your son ?? and does she have to "PLEASE" you or you can get your money back. ?? Can you just go to another town threaten to kill everyone unless they become your "worker" ? Can your wife just "GIVE" you her female "worker" so she can produce a child for you ?? Can YOUNG VIRGIN FEMALE "workers" be taken as a wife if you have just massacred their familiy ?? Can the father of a female "worker" just sell her to you ?? *Really this is the kind of equivocation you think appropriate* ?? 🤢🤮

@@Brandon.Germany Exactly. God bless

I have never seen slavery as a bad thing, since I come from Sweden 🇸🇪 and basically everyone in Sweden 🇸🇪 are a slave to the government.

God made these laws as God knew they would follow them or at least the majority would follow them but because God is all knowing he knew if he outright banned slavery they would turn from him.

7 and 6 aren’t the same numbers what

Back then people needed answers and God was it and now times has changed and people are less religious

everyone distorts scripture to say they don't wanna believe. but once they become humble and seek Truth only, it will always point to following Jesus.

@@run2cat4runwhen i take away water, people are thirsty, when i take away god, people are more religious what you have said makes no sense, there would be MORE religious people if god showed his face

Can I have a book chapter and verse for that second quote?

Leviticus 25:44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

@@joyouskekistani6851 1 Peter 2:18…

Nobody wants to be a slave. Nobody wants to be beaten. It's really simple. You think the Israelites didn't mind being slaves? Then why did they have to be freed from Egypt?

@@joshuabarnes7552 who are you talking to? Who said anybody wanted to be a slave ?

@@jovonbrowne3129 God doesn't have to work through anything. He's God. He can just say don't have slaves. Don't own ppl as property.

@@joshuabarnes7552 If God is all knowing then he knows what he’s doing by deciding to not be a dictator all the time but let’s say God doesn’t exist because he’s so bad we still had and currently have slavery. Now what ? Who you mad at now ? What justification do you have to be mad at now ? Will it only be wrong in some countries or all countries ? If it’s legal in some countries is it still wrong ?

@@jovonbrowne3129 Yes. Slavery would still be wrong, and it would still be wrong everywhere else.. Your Bible still condones it and was even used to justify American slavery. Society evolved passed that, but your bible did not. You're not making a good arguement. God was a dictator anyway. Do you even know what dictator means?

He allegedly told them to buy swords in the first place, buddy. Even to sell their cloaks so they could buy the swords.

@@AtheismActually Jesus is clearly against slavery, war and other violence, as Revelation clearly says this (when the Bible says, "Anyone who has an ear, let them hear", what follows is of utmost importance): "If anyone has an ear, let him hear. They who lead into captivity shall go into captivity; they who kill with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints." If you read the passage you are referring to in context, Jesus says two swords are "sufficient" for an entire group of people. Jesus was cautiously allowing for self-defense, which is not the same as war. War involves group-think, peer pressure and obedience from the top down. War is always about taking wealth or protecting wealth or as quite often the case, both. The Crusades for example, were not religious wars; they were fought over land, a form of wealth, the grand prize being Constantinople. Self-defense is protecting one's physical self. Self-defense is not protecting property or any other form of wealth, as the life of a person is far more valuable than property, regardless of what European or American capitalists think. Jesus is a whole lot smarter and wiser than you, me or anyone else. May as well get used to it, because he sees right through your bullshit.

@@freedomtracksrecords4452 Per Christianity, "Jesus" is the same guy as the "God" of the Old Testament, who repeatedly ordered or committed mass slaughter and condoned enslavement, and is therefore accountable for all of those. Maybe "he got better", but that's neither very Godly nor qualifying for a gold standard or moral perfection.

@@AtheismActually Only God can wage righteous war. We humans cannot wage righteous war, which is why Jesus told us to put our swords away. Since the birth of Jesus, we now live in the age of grace, where there is no more righteous war until Jesus returns. The messengers of God ushered in the age of grace, singing "peace on earth, goodwill to the people". Most modern Christians don't understand this, which is why in great error they blindly support American and other wars. Blaming God for what Christians do or what people in general do is very unwise, as we all make our own choices, while God reacts accordingly.

Thank you! This is the comment I was looking for!

I really believe that God sees slavery the same way he sees divorce. A thing that humans should not ever do or practice. I cannot explain why God 'condoned' it in the OT, but in 1 Timothy ch 1 it says that people who buy and sell slaves will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

@@FireflowerDancer As long as man is speaking on behalf of a god, man will make the god condone whatever the man wants to condone. Bible God was straight up about serving other gods but weak on slavery. That just tells me that the man speaking for the deity doesnt want people going to other men who speak on behalf of other deities but they can enslave each other. We are being played

@@whatshatnin4572 There's an idea. But who is 'we,' and whom are we being played by?

@@FireflowerDancer To paint with a wide brush I would say that the general public is being played by men who speak on behalf of a mute deity. But really Black Folks and Popr Folks are being played the most. The poorer you are the more you believe and the more you believe the less you know

@@whatshatnin4572 So you think essentially we as humans are being played by our own selves, then

Even “all slaves shall be set free after six years”. Even that as abhorrent as it is would be better than “you can take the ones around you forever “

​@@Madcow7777Its not ALL slaves only the Israelites would be set free but read this Lev 25:44-46 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Leviticus 25:39-44 39 If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God. 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

I love God, but this is something that I have struggled with. I don't understand why God allowed for it and showed favor to the Isralites.

@@DieselPlaysIt's because the Isrealites are the ones who made him up. God was made in the image of man not the other way around.

The scripture says different I wish he would stop with his bullshit lies. Shame on you you.

It's weaksauce. Dr Joshua Bowen has demolished all of this.

He did a good job of explaining it. How people are supposed to treat slaves. Some people went the extra mile, Wgy would God work around another human owning another? Well everything that happens in history happened for Jesus and to bring the eventual end. Maybe God is making us realise what humans did when they caused the curse, so that all the more we’d turn to Him? Seems likely. Anyways this wickedness will soon be over

You DO realize that your ENTIRE outlook on this subject is shaped by a culture shaped by the Bible, right? The ONLY reason slavery is not officially legal in most of the world is because the West, via gunboat diplomacy and colonial ventures, used physical and economic force to end it. In some of those places (particularly the Islamic world), they don’t question the morality of slavery at all, only its legality. You also live in a society with a police force and aren’t in danger of being dragged off to who knows where, a situation that Old Testament Israel and even the early church wasn’t in. Slavery was a fact of life. The question is not “is it wrong?” but “how do you deal with it?”. You just happen to live in a culture that decided that the simplest way to treat people as God commanded was to abolish slavery and were in a position to do so.

@@John-fk2ky My "entire outlook?" I don't know about that. But that was very analytical of you to notice that a person's viewpoint might be influenced by the culture they grew up in. Personally, I have trouble imagining that any enslaved person would have found it to be an agreeable situation.

Quite easy to understand. The Bible was written 2000 years ago by men

@@CaptainFantastic222 That's no reason to think it's irrelevant, or do you say that about all ancient texts . . Like the Egyptian book of the Dead, book of Enoch, Dead Sea Scrolls, for example? 😉

Only for Israelites. For the surrounding nations it was chattel slavery.

@@horridhenry9920 your trying so hard to make a point that isn’t there you can continue with your propaganda and none sense. No one is going to believe you. It would better if you got over your need to reply to everyone if this is the same person from before because we know the Bible doesn’t state what your claiming and your just using it as a excuse. Learn the actual meanings of the Bible rather then making them up so you can use them for propaganda.

Bullshit

And both are wrong and immoral

As Dr Joshua Bowen likes to say in response to such comparisons, "So?". Slavery is slavery, period.

The TRUTH remains the same.. The Satanic arrogance and foolishness of arrogant, cruel, and merciless Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world in raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves as greater, powerful, intelligent, glorious, higher and superior than the Creator and his Christ will definitely bring them nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever while the submissiveness of loving, kind, and respectful persons to the authority of Jesus Christ and obedience to his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers. Loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths but not worthless dusts forever, instead, in the Creator's right and proper time, worshippers of the Creator who died recently and even thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, Moses, King David, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life by Jesus Christ so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful earth and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.

Bad news we have no free will. Just ask any Calvinist

that’s like a police officer saying you can do ANYTHING you like then arresting you for jaywalking...

With what are you struggling with?

@@gerarddlima spiritual attack? Questioning faith and religion...?

you might need to see a doctor, you probably have schizophrenia

The closer you get with God the more the enemy attacks to try to make you stray away. You NEED to start praying consistently against the attacks of the enemy and of all workers of darkness. Praying during fasting is much more effective. How long have you been a believer if you dont mind me asking? Are you opening yourself up to demons through certain sin, music, movies, demonic items innyour house like statues and idols, unrepentantance, unforgivness? Ive had so many demonic attacks from extreme temptation to dreams and extreme anger but each time thanks to the grace of God, ive gotten back up more stronger than ever in the Lord. Remember that a righteous man may fall seven times but he gets back up again. Jesus Christ loves you so deeply.

i think you should see a doctor “god” isn’t going to help you

@@user-fs3hs4xb6c you’re disgusting, there is no “enemy” we have free will no? this man is clearly ill, talking to himself isn’t going to make it better

Demons don’t exist

Of course it is. Read Leviticus 25:44-46 and try to distinguish it from chattel slavery.

Uh yes it is😂

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Even if it was illegal people still would have done it, would you prefer it if He said "Don't do this" without any rules or regulations or if He gave you rules to abide by to make sure that slaves are treated as fellow people

@@mriamo5003 Crazy how he can speak on how to not cook a goat, but he cant say "Dont own another human"

Jesus believes in equality

@@run2cat4run Yes, we're equally fallen. All are slaves to sin, or slaves to Jesus. 🎇✨ Have a great weekend

That rainbow has 6 colors, be careful

​@@Aiden-ZWhat does that mean, if you don't mind me asking?

@@FireflowerDancer alphabet community, which is in complete defiance against God and His Word, not just you know (trying to not get into trouble). I’m sure you’re not actually trying to support though. Just to let you know, God’s rainbow has 7 colors, just so you can spot the difference! Hope you have a blessed day!

Whats the difference?

America slave past was directly caused by the bible, it was seen as a morally right action approved by god. So the real slavers disagree with you here

Slave owners made slave bible which uses many bible verses on slavery

Because it does. Have you read Leviticus 25:44-46?

@@horridhenry9920 your trying so hard to make a point that isn’t there you can continue with your propaganda and none sense. No one is going to believe you. It would better if you got over your need to reply to everyone if this is the same person from before because we know the Bible doesn’t state what your claiming and your just using it as a excuse. Learn the actual meanings of the Bible rather then making them up so you can use them for propaganda.

​@@horridhenry9920yep, that verse shocked the heck out of me when I really read it for the first time. I had read through the bible every year for a decade before I actually stopped and understood that verse. It was the first step in my deconstruction. There's no way to translate that verse as anything other than permanent chattel slavery.

@@jeremytencza6107 I agree 100%. But as we both know, there are many who translate it to mean indentured servitude.

Because it sets Hebrew slaves free. Meaning taking gentile ones was fine and dandy. Coentext context context

Yessss its scary tbh

Just my thoughts. In a different place Paul tells slaves to be free if they can. (I Cor. 7:21) So, I believe this passage is talking to slaves who were absolutely stuck in a Roman system of slavery. The main thing all Christians are called to is showing Christ to the lost. The slave is being told to be more concerned for their master’s salvation than themselves. To surprise the master with good and sincerely kind behavior even though the master didn’t deserve it. In doing this, they might be a witness for Christ who also was kind to those who didn’t deserve it.

Okay, let’s back up a second and look at the practicalities, starting with Christianity as a whole. First, encouraging running away would put Christianity in a bad legal light. Second, it would endanger Christian slaves throughout the empire. Third, part of being a Christian is being a witness to the world, and running away means that you can’t do that with your master or other slaves. As for the slave himself or herself, you’re suggesting a course of action that might be WORSE for the slave than staying. Rome controlled everything touching the Mediterranean and quite a bit beyond it. To truly escape rather than spend the rest of his or her life as a fugitive, a slave would have to run away from the pinnacle of civilization in the west (China being its eastern counterpart) and flee to where, exactly? What’s now Scotland or Ireland? Germany? Those areas were highly tribal and in the latter case might sell you back to Rome for some wine. Anywhere else you might care to go would be similarly likely to seize you. That’s not even counting the likelihood that you will not know the local language or meet anyone that knows yours. The only other option is to live as a bandit, and your career will likely be short and end with a gladius in your stomach. This is not the antebellum South where you can run across a border and be free while living in a similar culture. There’s simply nowhere TO go. Given all that, Paul’s giving the best advice he can for slaves in general. If the situation is truly unbearable, there actually were legal remedies in the empire. They wouldn’t get you free, but they would get you away from a particularly bad owner. If you’re present so you can actually hear the letter being read (which is what would happen at meetings; copies were circulated between churches beyond the original recipients for teaching purposes), then since you’re among believers go ask for help. One of the richer ones might be able to buy you, and then you’d be safe.

@@John-fk2ky Do you think that what Harriet Tubman did with the underground railroad was right? Should she have remained submissive or was helping to organize an escape route for black slaves the right thing to do?

@@branver1172 That actually makes a lot of sense. I don't have an answer for why God allowed it as part of the global system, but I agree that IF a believer was unfortunate enough to be enslaved, their attitude towards their master could be a witness. The master would see how selflessly the believer served them and it might lead them to understand God's love a little better.

These people really think he ate in this video. Shits garbage.

This is a great point. I've come to realize ain't nothin' we can do or say about what GOD does so I just leave it alone. Eat my good food. Try to happy. And stay out the way cause this life is crazy as I don't know what.

Funny how many times God did a mass killings because his followers didn’t believe in him in the Old Testament

​@@run2cat4runThat doesn't give people a right to do mass killings. People are not GOD.

If you look around you today, we still have slavery. It is only called with a different term. We work under bosses who can extract a lot of work from us while the pay is meagre. We work 7 days a week with no holiday in between. With the little money that we’ve got, we buy things so that our wives can make food at home. It may not be true in a developed country like the US, but it still exists in other parts of the world today. Not everyone “fights for their rights” or has an “association” to defend them. If they did, they would lose the only means to provide for their families. So why does this form of slavery exist? Not because the “master” wanted to enslave them, but because the poor wanted some job to earn a living. If you ask why God allowed that to happen, it is because God cursed man that he has to work the earth and “eat the food by the sweat of his brow”. All of us need to work to earn the food we eat. But why do these inequalities exist? That is because not everyone is blessed the same way. The ideal thing to do is to raise their standard of living, but what happens until then? God knowing this very thing, gave them laws as to how to handle this situation. And Jesus knowing the heart of God, raised this to a whole new standard when He said, “treat the ones under you as you would love to be treated yourself”. This summarizes how we ought to treat one another, whether slaves, colleagues or bosses.

What about Canaan? What criminal activity or wrong doing did Canaan and his descendants do to be cursed into a life of chattel slavery before he was even born? How does that work?

In the Old Testament God was fine with incest and polygamy

You could say the same thing about anything. But you need to remember that human beings are evil and that there is free will. There are passages in scripture about how God freed the Israelites from oppressive slavery. Also, if God was so supportive of oppressing people, why was there a slave bible? They took out most verses about freeing the oppressed so the slaves wouldn’t use scripture as a basis to revolt. At the same time, sometimes bad things are legalized because people are straight up evil. We live in a world where people would rather do wrong than right. Like how I feel about certain forms of abortion. Killing a child is wrong but it’s legalized. So what, God agrees with it because it’s legal? No. This entire life is about whether you can do the wrong or right thing, with God as judge in the end where the world will be perfect and free from any kind of slavery or abortion. But you have to be the one to choose to make your heart ready and turn towards him. Repent! You can be at the front, urging people to do the right thing for God’s kingdom 🙏🏾

​@@run2cat4runno it wasn't dont lie on Gods word

Humans have free will. Humans legalized slavery, God allowed it.

@@run2cat4runhe was not fine with it. That is not true. Did you listen to the above video and comprehend it?

Did God allow slaves to be beaten?

​@@exaucemayunga22Get on your knees and ask him. Everything changed after Jesus came.

It's less of an argument against Christianity and more of an argument against the perfect morality/justice of the Christian god. I don't think it's stale at all - if a holy book presents the supposedly perfect creator of the universe as decreeing no punishment for keeping slaves and beating them in certain ways, isn't that an impossible and relevant thing to consider? Christians can tend to get bogged down in whether or not the slavery of the OT was similar to the slavery of the American South, but that just misses the point.

​@45TIMES Good point too. Everything changed after Jesus came. He did away with all that.

They did misuse the Bible to do evil things. They did it in a twisted way.

Out of every verse/passage in the Bible, Leviticus 25:44-46 bothers me the most. I can honestly reconcile any other passage in the Bible, but these are difficult and I have not heard a good explanation, yet (including Allen's).

To regulate something is to allow for it…. I can’t speak for others but I generally get upset when people advocate for the ownership of other humans