This was painful to watch, and a complete mistake. Everyone acted like children except jeremy, who I feel enormous sympathy for. It's a shame we'll probably never see him on screen junkies movie fights again, because he deserves better than this.

I dont know how Jeremy kept himself together. I would have flipped out, especially at Hal.

Jeremy Jahns: Smooth and calm. Everyone else; yell over the other guy. Jahns know how to handle a room.

Am I the only one who thought Hal came across as a jerk in this video? In the Hobbit debate he barely let Jeremy and the other guy talk...

This is by far the worst episode of Movie Fights, which I normally really enjoy. To completely abandon the format that was working really well and do the stupid 'team ups' was really dumb. I really hate the shouting matches, it is not entertaining it is actually really boring and cringe-worthy. Also, are any of these guys aware that movies were made before 1980? There are some absolute pieces of shit that have won best picture, like Around the World in 80 days in 1956 or How Green Was My Valley in 1941? But apparently movies suddenly appeared from 1980 onwards. And has anyone noticed that Jeremy Jahns has the most unsophisticated, simplistic understanding of film? His interpretation and understanding of film symbolism and meaning is like high-school film student level. And Hal, learn how to fucken state a contention and develop an argument by elaborating points and not repeating the same thing over and over like you have a brain injury. Get your shit together ScreenJunkies.

I'm totally not understanding all the Jeremy Jahns hate in the comment section. He was on a weird episode and he was THE LEAST AGGRESSIVE of any of them. There was a room of blatantly aggressive people and he was the one just making little equips. How was he the douche bag in that room?

Ma man jeremy playing it cool there, behaving like a gentleman among children. Seriously though it was awesome seeing jeremy and there were a lot of cool debates but that hal guy irks me to no end, talk about a first class douche. Andy was actually great this episode, he handled himself very well. Kal and mundy's clash was a good laugh. Hopfully jeremy comes back under the regular format against level headed folk.

Hobbit was a considerably good trilogy. Not better than LOTR but it was considerably fine. I mean..you can't expect a prequel to be better than it's highly acclaimed source material.

I'd definitely like to see Jeremy back on his own instead of teamed up. The mayhem was kind of fun, but I want to see him holding his own rather than a team member speaking for him.

Love that we're encouraging such debate in the comments! Gonna try and reply to as many of you as I can for the next half hour or so - got any questions?

Jeremy actually seems like he knows how to argue, you know without just shouting.

Spencer Gilbert looks like both a spencer and a gilbert

Never been dissapointed soo much with screen junkies team... You wasted the best opportunity you had by trying to blind side Jeremy and Kristian with that tag team thing, and totally spiraled down from there... Jeremy is guy who has his own views and ways, forcing him to team up on spot with anyone,(yes forcing because you caused it) would only result in him becoming quiet and quirky... And the way you shouted and nicpicked your way through your arguments... It felt like a group of hormones filled teenagers... You really ruined your opportunity... If I were in Jeremy's shoes I'd never return to your show.. The same arguments could have been made in a very much more dignified way like you guys usually do... Except when it counted...

Next movie fight: Who is the Best music movie composer? For example: Hans Zimmer, John Williams, James Horner, Alan Silvestri, Ennio Morricone, Steve Jablonski, Howard Shore, John Powell, Danny Elfman, Michael Giaccino, etc.

Wow the look on Jeremy's face when Hal interrupted him and laughed in his face for calling the Hobbit movies good. Even though I'm not the hugest fan of the trilogy, I am a fan of Jeremy's so that pissed me off as much as it did him.

Hal, shut up, it's "best argument wins", not "loudest yell".

Wow Jeremy Jahns was horrible at arguing his points. I don't think he added a single valid point to any of the arguments and basically got carried by Christian for any of the points they got.

Jeremy had class. Hal didn't. That's all.

I didn't like Hobbit series myself, but the way Jeremy was all composed and the points he brought up, my god he destroyed

Jeremy trolling Hal is definitely the highlight of my life.

This was the craziest, most cluster-fucked episode ever. I don't want to watch this format ever again. That said, this was a great episode. I just think it's like that massive piece of cake that you eat when you really don't need to. It's so good, but you never want to see cake again in that moment.

This was a battle! Always fun guys, thank you.

Jackass over Superman: the Movie?!!! Bullshit. Absolutely NOT.

12:05 I can think of so many times there was dramatic tension :/ Riddles in the Dark Thorin v Azog (An Unexpected Journey) Bilbo meets Smaug White Council attacks Dol-Guldor just to name a few off the top of my head

I lost alot of respect for Hal. It was good to see ***** mop the floor with him.

Wishlist of people I want to see on Movie Fights: 1. Jeremy Jahns again 2. Chris Stuckmann 3. Nostalgia Critic/Doug Walker 4. Jeremy from CinemaSins 5. Andre/Black Nerd

the hobbit was good. it's not as good as LOTR but they had awesome characters , soundtrack,smaug, action sequence, gollum. they were perfect prequels for LOTR. prequels of star wars are BAD except the 3rd one which was ok.

I also feel the need to point out that JeremyJahns gave The Hobbit 1 a "Buy it on Blu-ray" rating (his second highest), The Hobbit 2 an "awesometacular" (his highest), and The Hobbit 3 another "Buy it on Blu-ray". Schmoes Know gave The Hobbit 1 a 4/5 and 4.75/5; The Hobbit 2 a 4/5 and 4.5/5; and The Hobbit 3 a 3.8/5 and 3.8/5. Chris Stuckmann gave The Hobbit 1 a B-; The Hobbit 2 an A-; and The Hobbit 3 an A-. The Flick Pick gave them the exact same grades as Chris. So, just to be clear, Hal...you're saying that ALL of those reviewers are THAT off and wrong about a trilogy of movies. Really?

Kristian Harloff is the biggest Dickhead

Stop interrupting each other please. Very frustrating to watch.

For the question of "Best movie with the word "Movie" in it" I would've said The Lego Movie. Yes, it is essentially a huge commercial, but it's a sweet underdog story which appeals both to grown adults and little kids. It has heart, action, humor, some drama and it also has one of the best endings I've ever seen recently in a movie.

"John Stewart will be around for decades" - John Stewart then announces he's retiring.

This was the hardest episode to sit through. The tag team set up was not handled well, and the screen junkies team was obnoxious to listen to. Harloff did get annoying but I feel that his frustration was warranted in some cases. Andy and Spencer constantly bringing up how it was two versus one was a cop out considering they were the ones who decided to do a team of four in the first place. This episode was devoid of fun and was basically a giant yelling match where the larger group claimed unfairness at every turn. What really showed pettiness by the screen junkies team was when they started looking up to see if the word "movie" was in the title of Superman. Jason even said that they had thrown out a movie the day before when they decided what the options would be, so trying to get the other team's movie disqualified was just a childish move. This is the first Movie Fight that I had to watch multiple times to finish because it was so mean spirited.

Don't ever do this rotating team again, don't think that it entirely worked that well. Should have just been Jeremy, Kristian and Spencer. Can't stand when Nick and Hal only make their points by yelling over everyone else.

This was the best episode of Movie Fights by far. I love the tag team thing, how everyone was there and that they didn't do it all organized but instead had more fun with it. Please do this more!

Spencer was my favorite in the Screen Junkies team, damn, the others were uselessly loud.

Been watching Movie Fights for a few months now, culminating in this episode. It’s a great idea and format. Couple of observations. -Movie Fights regulars are always entertaining to watch (Hal, Andy, Spencer, Nick and Dan). Always funny. I’m a guy but it’s even more entertaining when female guests are invited, since they tend to make calmer and more skilful arguments. Many of the male guests, on balance, make poorer arguments (even when they seem to have expertise in the area) and devolve into shouting. -Don’t mess with the format. Movie Fights looks professional. It doesn’t when you have large numbers of people in the studio yelling whenever they want. -One of the most distracting elements (and detracts from the entertainment and interest of the show’s content) is the dynamic that is created by specific guests. This episode demonstrates this. Dan - who is usually an excellent judge and even better contestant - seemed to give way to certain panellists in his comments (“This is really, really close”, when to anyone watching it wasn’t) and in awarding points. When you invite guests with their own large following onto the show they bring their egos with them. This is what happened with Jeremy Jahns. Here you have a guy with some background in film but who changed the tone of the early part of the show with snarking, off-putting tactics, playground-style insults and then just gave up through lack of interest in the second half. All Screen Junkies people did well to weather that (many defusing with humour) because it bordered on getting personal and was cringe-worthy to watch. A similar thing happens with guests to whom Screen Junkies are connected in terms of the production of the show, like the peeps of ‘Schmoes Know’. Judges feel that they need to pander to the arguments of certain people and that’s not why people watch the show. Let’s not put judges in that position. Let’s genuinely let them judge on the basis of the arguments, because they are a crucial part of the format. People won’t watch - no matter the selection of panellists - if they feel that usually thoughtful judges (Andy and Dan) are compromised.

I really hope they don't bring Kristian Harloff back for anything else. He just got so butt-hurt and his yelling was unbearable. I watch movie fights for the mostly intellectual and insightful debates on movies with the occasional Mundy madness (in which there is quite often some very convincing arguments), not brutish yelling and screaming. I came extremely close to just closing the video when he screamed "waaaah waaaah" in response to an argument. Don't bring him back he ruins the show and everyone's eardrums.

as a fan of the hobbit book, i was as entertained by the movie as were avatar fans by the last airbender.

damn so much heat. can't a debate be friendly?

Isn't it pretty obvious that James Bond is the best action franchise. There's so much variety and with the exception of maybe one or two of them, all are good and/or really fun to watch

Yes, the Hobbit does suck. It's the biggest cash grab of the decade polluted with ugly CGI and absent of any of the LOTR trilogy's magic. Well, at least I have that trilogy to fall back upon.

Wow movie fights is getting personal. I hope they don't hate each other after this fight

What an epic episode. Well done guys, it may have seemed like a mess but I felt like I was in the room chilling there with you all. When you get a bunch of the guys together to talk movies, games, sports or almost anything you can have an opinion on, it'll get like this. Great episode. Andy, as I watch more and more of these movie fights you are progressing towards legendary status to me. What a guy.

I gotta say guys, and I don't mean to be harsh: this fight looked promising with the tag team and all, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the usual episodes. I think you should stick with the usual 1vs1vs1 with screenjunkies and occasional guests, it had a good balance, worked really well and was always enjoyable. Just my opinion thou!

Rotten Tomatoes: Critics and Audience Hobbit 1: 64% and 83% Hobbit 2: 74% and 86% Hobbit 3: 60% and 76% Movies that suck DON'T get these scores.

7:47 - 7:55 This entire episode summed up in 8 seconds.

When Hal was acting like a prick at 6:20 and then Jeremy said "You need more energy". OWNED

I'd like to make a suggestion, in case anyone from screen junkies actually reads this: please change how you accept arguments made. 80% of the time, people are spending their energy simply tearing down the opponent's argument instead of making their own position stronger. I get that it's a "fight" but you guys can't seem to resolve if you're debating in the pure sense of the term or are going to do whatever you can to win, which most of the time seems to be to present a weak argument and then spend the bulk of the time deconstructing the opposing view just to compensate. This leads to people squawking and talking over each other, which does not make for pleasant viewing or listening.

Jeremy from cinema sins make it happen

"A man in jail can smile once" Probably the best line.

Rewatched this fight today, and I want a Jahns and Harloff vs Screen Junkies rematch! Book it screen junkies!!

Everyone realizes these guys are all friends are just being dicks to each other to be funny. When people are friends and we have debates this is what we do. These guys didn't take anything personally this episode it was all for fun. I personally enjoyed it. It was one of my favorite movie fights episode.

For the record, I am SO relieved to hear that no one was willing to argue for a Back to the Future reboot. I have had the discussion with all of my fellow movie geek friends and that's the one movie/series that should NEVER be rebooted. Even playing devil's advocate, my head would have exploded with rage if anyone had argued for it. DON'T EVER DO THAT QUESTION!!!

Schmoes brought me here and I have no clue where the hell I've been because this channel is GREAT. I have re-watched Mundy's "Donner got fired...Donner got FIRED, Donner GOT FIRED!" part over and over and over. So damn hilarious

Hal is grasping at straws for why the Hobbit movies were bad. I 100% agree they arent as good as LotR but to say they are bad movies like the Star Wars prequels are bad movies really shows he doesnt get basic cinema. The Prequels were badly acted, badly written, and only loosely connected to the original 3 Star Wars films

FIGHT 1 - Do the Hobbit movies suck? NO FIGHT 2 - Best Action Movie Franchise? Bond FIGHT 3 - Best Nic Cage movie since The Rock? Con Air FIGHT 4 - Who is the best action star since the 1980s? Jason Statham FIGHT 5 - What is the best Steven Spielberg film? E.T FIGHT 6 - Best movie with "movie" in the title? The Lego Movie FIGHT 7 - Should Back to the Future get a reboot? NO FIGHT 8 - Worst movie to win the Oscar for Best Picture? Shakespeare in Love

Can't believe they didn't mention that TOM CRUISE DOES ALL HIS OWN STUNTS!!!

A bit chaotic, but I love all you guys so it was fun. We want longer shows! I listen via podcast. I no longer hate Mondays knowing you guys are waiting for me!

Honestly this was a lot of fun to watch because I felt like I got to see you guys be authentic instead of play into your "characters." Good job guys, it was a lot of fun! Just....maybe wait to do something like this again.

I'm actually a little offended that Jurassic Park beat Schindler's List. When Hal said, "Spielberg took a ginormous chance with Schindler's List" and Harloff interrupted that he took a ginormous chance with Jurassic Park I don't think he realized the extent of what he was saying... Schindler's List represents an unbelievable horror that took place in history and Jurassic Park is about dinosaurs. Are you kidding me? And since it's okay to say Fuck, Chris Pratt, I'm going to say Fuck, Harloff.

Such a crazy episode but I love it! So much chaos, such great arguments

Every single one of those fights were amazing! I haven't laughed that hard in awhile!

That Mega Powers team up was literally the best moment in KZfaq history

The third hobbit sucked. Really sucked. 1. Bilbo was hardly in a movie about bilbo 2. CGI was god awful 3. Love triangle was pathetic and failed miserably 4.smaug died in 5 mins of the movie 5. Pathetic attempt at comic relief with that lake town character 6. Some action scenes (especially legolas) were unbelievably bad 7. Orcs were reduced from being frightening enemy's to almost nothing with orcs being killed with ease. I really, really wanting to like but I couldnt.

LOL I love that a few people in the comment section are saying Jeremy is a prick and all just because he defended the hobbit movies

This episode is probably the best best Movie Fight so far. The fights just keep going despite the rounds end. Nick and Jeremy yelling at each other like wrestlers - beautiful!

"It's a Powerpoint presentation of a movie" is the most honest and poignant commentary I have ever heard.

So basicly the winner is the one with best argument and the best argument is the one ful of BS. Poor Jeremy Johns

Love how intense they get. Like a boxing match

Finally I've been waiting for this thank u Jeremy!!!! BIG FAN💯💯💯🙌

Just finished watching this show and I found it very entertaining I hope Jeremy comes back. I will be watching more of these shows =)

I've watched every Movie FIght and this one takes the lead as the most entertaining and awesome fight ever. The chaos and confusion made it hilarious, the fights were tough (but Jurrasic Park vs Shindleir? come on) and everyone had fun (Except Dan). Good job everyone for making this such a great episode.

I'm disappointed no one mentioned Lord of War...

Hal is pissing me off.

I'm so addicted to this show!! How do we ask questions?

I love Movie Fights, for me it's must watch on an early Sunday evening the minute it's uploaded. A group of passionate people giving it their all around a desk is more entertaining than most tv shows. This episode went from amazingly enjoyable to nitro injected pressure cooker nuclear meltdown insanity in the first few minutes and it was glorious.

Does anyone else watch this and disagree with Nick Mundy on literally every argument he makes?

How is it that I like Hal when he's hosting other Screen Junkies stuff, but hate his guts when he's arguing on Movie Fights?

I know that I'm 5 years late, but I actually saw Lord of the Rings after I saw the first two Hobbit movies and I really like the Hobbit movies. Hal calls it boring and I honestly feel the same way that he does but about Fellowship of the Ring. Two Towers and Return of the King are actually enjoyable fantastic films to me, but I don't understand the hate on the Hobbit for a above casual movie viewer.

I want the Nostalgia Critic to be the next guest.

this was the most amazing episode yet

Hurry up and put out the next movie fights! I need to see who takes the belt

you guys wont believe this but i left the movie batman begins loading in popcorn time and right on the mega power thing, the movie started! making for some epic background sound! so epic in fact, that i forgot the movie was playing! i thought it was part of the video cuz it was just so fitting!! i'm freaking out right now you have no idea how awesome that was!!!

WOW! That was first "Movie Fights" that I watched from beginning to the end!

No! The Hobbit movies are great!! And stay away from my Tauriel and Kili! I don't care if it was presented poorly, it's a cute relationship. And how is there no dramatic tension in the third movie!? You must not have a heart if you felt nothing during those death scenes

At 5:50 you can tell Jeremy Jahns is already fed up with Hal

Yup, Hal, that's a great way to start an argument. Laugh loudly in the other guy's face as soon as he starts speaking.

Jahns MUST come back

OMG what a mess! It was entertaining to watch, don't get me wrong, but so confusing at the same time. Also, the fact that it was 2 versus 1 didn't feel right, if one team can have 2 members fighting, then the other team should too. I didn't know Jeremy Jahns prior to this, but for a super guest star that everybody asked for, he seemed "underused". Harloff did all the talking. I like the more structured shows, but one crazy freebie once in a while is fun. Just at least talk about it with each other before taping the show ;)

This was one of the most fun to watch shows yet! I literally LOLed.

dan is the only non douch on screen junkies

Awesome to see Jeremy in this. Chris Stuckmann for next guest!

Jeremy is the guy i go to before i decide to watch a movie, my favorite movie reviewer on KZfaq, i don't think he expected the screen junkies team to act the way they did, i sure didn't, it looked to me as if he didn't take it as serious as u guys did, he was just trying to have fun and you guys ruined it, i strongly doubt he'll come back again, just like other guests u had on before, and yeah i think some of the decisions were biased but whatever, i do recommend you make it a fun pleasant experience for your guests next time.

Does anyone know where to find the clip of dan and Andy yelling at each other that got cut from this episode???? Dan said on sju that this was the fight it happened on

15:20 This moment is "ICONIC!" "Hey, a man in jail can even smile once in a while." 😂😂😂 "I mean, Jiminy Crickets, dude. I mean, I'm a human being." So f*cking funny.

Top Gun (1986) disqualifies Tom Cruise. It is considered an action movie. Tom started action movies in the 80s. So he should be thrown in with Bruce Willis and the rest.

I agree with Tom Cruise as the best action actor of the last couple of decades.

loved the craziness in this episode so fun haha

Next Movie Fight: How many sequels should a movie have before there are too many?