Dolby Atmos Question Time: Binaural vs. Stereo?

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Michael G Wagner

Michael G Wagner

Жыл бұрын

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@SavVvageCODM
@SavVvageCODM 2 ай бұрын
Besides the fact he talks loudly over the audio examples, great video
@branislavgagic9212
@branislavgagic9212 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the excellent explanations Michael! I have watched many videos trying to figure out what exactly binaural audio is and how to render it, and I thinki I now understand it for the first time.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner 7 ай бұрын
Great to hear! 🙂
@j7ndominica051
@j7ndominica051 8 ай бұрын
I like binaural. Makes listening to lively mixes on headphones easier. Not so much with modern dance music, which is center focused with some diffusion. People say that modern music is often crammed into "mono". I think the demonstration could be more effective with two instruments having a conversation, where you hear some sounds only on one side in certain moments. I find that binaural creates boomy bass and muffled highs. As if you had a subwoofer in a small padded room. So at first it is a surprise. Your presentations are educational and a bit entertaining.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner 8 ай бұрын
That’s an interesting point.
@christokeyser8917
@christokeyser8917 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I love making binaural recordings using a old Samsung Note5 with 2 mics. Set phone to high quality stereo recording (Cant remember the bits and Hz). Then hold the phone horizontal on my nose bridge to get the two mic's as close to my ears. It sounds amazing listening back on headphones, for me! (Probably very personalised to my head and ears' physics ;-) Anyway it cost me nothing and I enjoy it.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very cool trick, need to try that.
@michaelmurray2595
@michaelmurray2595 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on hitting 5K subscribers :)
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@djcyroc
@djcyroc Жыл бұрын
I finally got the mixing and rendering down thank you!
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome!
@samic
@samic Жыл бұрын
I believe the metadate for KZfaq is only required if you want to use it with VR. Essentially it's the location data and timecode for playing back regarding to head position/direction.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Good point! VR content requires metadata.
@signaltouch7413
@signaltouch7413 Жыл бұрын
you are amazing !
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😍
@iamyila
@iamyila Жыл бұрын
Be great to know the difference withing the Dobly Atmos renderer, because there seems to be no difference to me, also when you bounce then one you listen to vs the one you bounce sounds different. The Logic one yes, sounds good, but what's best practive to bounce a Stereo / Binural then deliver the Atmos file to the distributor that comes out on Apple Spatial + stereo.
@CaptainShorif
@CaptainShorif Жыл бұрын
Hello, location sound mixer here with a question. I use the Sennheiser Ambeo VR microphone to get ambience sounds (parks, streets, beaches, etc.) for films. I have the option to export to stereo or binaural stereo. The binaural stereo always sounds more clear & spatial than regular stereo. Even when listening on my stereo studio monitors or on my MacBook speakers I notice the binaural stereo sounds better overall. My concern is, what is the downside of using binaural and why would you say it's pointless without headphones if it still sounds spatial on regular speakers?
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
My comment is meant more as a matter of principle. Binaural recreates a spatial representation when listened through headphones. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with using it as an effect. In the end, whatever sounds good to you is the way to go. Just be aware that the representation cannot be accurate when played through anything else but headphones.
@djcyroc
@djcyroc Жыл бұрын
and btw wow i didnt know you were in Philadelphia! Im also in Philly, wondering if you do one on one classes?
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Not at the moment as this would be a conflict of interest with my day job. But never say never. ;)
@SoulFood99
@SoulFood99 Жыл бұрын
I have been looking hard at the Genelec Aural ID. You have to record quite a detailed video of your head and they process it to give you a much better approximation of your personal HRTF. Any opinions on this Genelec offering?
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Not yet. The price is a bit of a turnoff tbh. But definitely looks interesting!
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Looking at the manual. They give you access to the SOFA file which is interesting. It means you can import your Aural ID measurements into most other binaural rendering plugins. Still, 490 Euro is steep. The process is very similar to what Apple is doing with their personalized spatial audio approach.
@SoulFood99
@SoulFood99 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelgwagner it really is interesting! But the Genelec system seems much more accurate and even if not, allows you to tweak and adjust the settings. I am very tempted to try it! It only really costs 50 EUR to try it out and you can cancel after the first month is over. Bu you do not get the personal HRTF if you do not pay for the year. If nothing else, Dolby renderer might update their generic HRTF or other tweaks and it would change your monitoring system. With going the Genelwc rute, it seems a bit safer to change. Thank you Michael for your amazing content! Im a big fan!
@HannesKirsman
@HannesKirsman 8 ай бұрын
I'm trying to understand what does Dolby Atmos mean in context of Blu-Ray movies and headphones? Can you get a sense of audio going over your head or being more immersive than just 5.1 or 7.1 option if you convert to binaural? I mean would Dolby Atmos audio be the best option in headphones when converted to binaural?
@davidhallowell3457
@davidhallowell3457 Жыл бұрын
This might be outside the scope of questions you'd want - but I'm interested in whether the Atmos engine in Logic Pro 10.7.5 compares with the Steinberg tools in Cubase and Nuendo.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
In next weeks video I talk about a couple of topics I have not yet had a chance to make a video about. And I ask to make suggestions what I should cover next. This is one of those topics. ;)
@kfx13
@kfx13 Жыл бұрын
So the ear geometry or the exact dimensions of the hearing head are in my experience something that has only quite marginal influence compared to standard dimensions. Long before these special aspects come all the three-dimensional composition parameters that seriously influence the 3D image and the experience. Especially the ear geometry seems to me like a marketing hype or not very application-friendly basic research when dealing with 3D audio more and more intensively.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
That’s primarily because HRTFs remain extremely coarse approximations, even if the system is based on ear geometry. There are ways to capture binaural audio directly through in-ear microphones. If that is done, the results are supposed to be extremely good (have no experience myself). But in general, I do agree that binaural audio is somewhat overhyped.
@kfx13
@kfx13 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelgwagner yes, thats what I do with this project with the munich philharmonics: kzfaq.info/love/FenFfBIYuULMRYB-2bUN6Q binaural can be very powerful, it depends on how and what you do with it. Especially since headphones have become the reception standard. It seams to be more a dramaturgic (in a german function) question, than a technical one. you can probably unpack r. mauray schafer again for everyone.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@dannykirsch
@dannykirsch Жыл бұрын
Good video however you said several times that binaural renders only sound good in headphone and now through regular stereo speakers. I disagree with that. To me binaural renders (from Logic Pro) sound great on stereo speakers and noticeably wider and more immersive even through stereo speakers. You can get pads, pianos etc sounding super wide which you can’t achieve in regular stereo. At least this is my experience.
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
I guess you could use a binaural renderer as an effect. However, if you want it to be accurate, it only works with headphones. If you play it back on speakers you are effectively adding cross feed twice, for example.
@danielayotalks
@danielayotalks Жыл бұрын
@@michaelgwagner First of all, thank you for the numerous videos on spatial audio! Is it fair to say that the following workflow would be suitable for mixing via headphones for Dolby Atmos on Cubase for example: - Setup ADM Authoring for Dolby Atmos (NOT via Setup Assistant) - Set the Downmix to binaural - Mix indiviual tracks and use the VST Multipanner accordingly - (Optional) Master using the HoRNet SAMP VST to -18 integrated LUFS - Export ADM File - Set Downmix to stereo - Perform stereo mastering to higher loudness levels (genre dependent i.e -10 LUFS) - Export Audio Mixdown on Stereo Out
@michaelgwagner
@michaelgwagner Жыл бұрын
That would work. I would be very careful relying on a binaural downmix for Atmos though. Binaural cannot really give you the full immersive experience.
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