Cool intro!

AMAZING NEW INTRO! also I think the Klingons were justfiably pissed that United Earth took those foreheads 😂

Cool intro.

THIS is a good video format. Keep it

I would say that might will be true USS Enterprise D crew did not see Starfleet as not military agency. However were Caption surly act like UFP was military agency like Captain Edward Jellico aim turn USS Enteprise D warship. That even be reason why Starfleet put Caption Edward Jelico in command and RIker. Riker was view Starfleet agency for exporlation while Jelico view it as military agency.

The Federation failed to take a larger view. Just because they had made peace with the Klingons and had contained both the Romulans and the Cardassians, the Federation thought it could handle anything the rest of the galaxy had in store. Q was rightly derisive of this attitude, but I also can't fault the Federation for not wanting to be militaristic. The argument must also be made that a more militaristic Starfleet would probably have been in violation of the Khitomer Accords, so they may not have had a choice in their disposition.

I'm hoping that some of the craters the Breen left in San Francisco and the occupation of Betazed removed that feeling of untouchability permanently.

Something we see in the real world with citizens of most Western Countries.

@@thefurrybastard1964 the difference is the western earth countries are definitely not paradise

@@richterman3962 Compared to the Eastern Hemisphere's countries they are.

Or just a reboot.. 'It's JJ VERSE!'

@@LoreReloaded after rewatching all 3 JJ movies. Compared to STD JJ Verse is verrrrry Star Trek if you ask me

Or just they should of been upfront and said it was a reboot.

I liked them more and more as they want on. The first film had a somewhat contrived and lazy set up. Into Darkness tried harder, but collapsed somewhat due to misguided fanservicey ending. Beyond was mostly very good.

STD isn't canon so doesn't really matter when they set it. The Prime timeline (STD) and Canon timeline (ENT, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, +first 10 movies) are not the same timeline. The Kelvin timeline (JJ movies) came from the Prime timeline. They are all different timelines/realities.

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Vulcans have evolved into Eldar, Romulans evolved into Dark Eldar, and Klingons devolved into Orks.

Interestingly, You still see some of the 'pacifism' in Sisko here and there. But ultimately he was a different breed of captain and I agree.. He wasn't blinded like most of the others as well.

@@LoreReloaded That's why I like him even if he is Arrogant at times maybe I don't quite know but he's relatable compared to the other Captain's I think he would have done the right thing against the Borg and commited Genocide for the greater good of all the Alpha Beta and Gamma quadrant spices. Just my opinion of course

Well the fact Sisko that he lost his wife in one of the most devastating battle in Federation history had a huge impact on him. I don't think anyone could see the world the same way again after something like that. Right from the start we see another side to Star Fleet in Deep Space 9.

Michael Carney I always liked Sisko as he wasn’t a black and white regulations stickler like Janeway. I reckon he’d have been far more sympathetic to Captain Ransom if not condoning his actions had he been trapped in the Delta quadrant instead of her.

@@durkin9664 yeah I agree with that assessment he is far more realistic human being and a captain than the usual robotic Starfleet captain's don't get me wrong I love Picard and Kirk but too goody too shoes

Don't forget the shadow war in B5!

Agreed!

Kyle Pederson it would take decades with it being the pretty bloody killing at least 1 important person to everyone

20 years is say

In Alpha Canon we don't know. In multiple beta Cannons however Starfleet only becomes MORE militaristic.

@@occultatumquaestio5226 that's a good thing, since they are a military. They are not civilians, they have rank, they can be court marshaled, they are the armed branch of the government, oh and they fight the wars that civilians start.

The change might be permanent. They *know* that there are threats out there. _Voyager_ came back with a lot of information about conditions out in the Delta Quadrant, and they know that some very _not nice Empires_ exist that would be in conflict with the Federation if geography allowed. And they also know that geography can change suddenly, as with the Dominion, or technology can make geography irrelevant as with the Borg and transwarp. Slipstream technology is the big worry though, Voyager proved its not a big upgrade beyond the ability of other powers, the only reason Voyager had issues was the ship had to be built from the _ground up to be streamlined for slipstream space,_ not retrofitted. Any of the not nice Empires could get their hands on it, besides, Starfleet being Starfleet will soon build such ships from the ground up and stir up trouble, and they know that they will find it and may feel it's their moral duty to go out and liberate oppressed species ect. They have a rogue's gallery of possible threats that could arrive without warning and they won't be caught off guard again. It's a bit like a victim of a traumatic crime becoming obsessed with self defense as a lifestyle choice, even elderly they will still be practicing martial arts and maybe shooting [depending on country… *_cough cough_* U.S.]. Besides, the Federation wil absorb the Klingons in a generation or so, which will definitely add to militarism. And the Cardassians will add a much needed cynicism, as may expat Ferengi.

Yea, Starfleet always had the ability to be a power house but chose not to because they never needed it until the dominion..

@@LoreReloaded after Wolf359 they should have militarized to where they were during the Dominion War..... and then there is the Federation abandoning its own people to the Cardassians.

I never understood why they never played what would have been a proverbial Ace up their sleeve...the phased cloak. Was massive loss of life and possible extinction not enough to consider violating, or amending, the treaty of Algeron?

@J R well said it.

@@dougsmith6262 yeah that enlightened Picard, for sake of peace giving up technology that would make war against federation impossible.

LORE IS WHERE THE HEART IS!

Hope you enjoy!

Well, the way that I look at various series is that I treat the universe as its been said it should be treated.. as face value on screen. I have no allusion that any of this was some grand attempt to bring things together. The series do contradict eachother after all in some instances. That Said, I attempt to bring cohesion and treat the universe as if it had such.

I like your post and you're the first one I have seen other than me that saw the pax americana origins of the federation. I would add that, i'd like to think smart people rely on facts, and the data would show the level of defense the Federation would need so they would be able to act accordingly. I think they can hold onto their values while operating off of the facts and data without losing themselves. I feel like a lot of people watch Star Trek can't wait to lose themselves, their humanity at the drop of dime. That's why post apocalyptic fiction is so popular these days.

long story lines are superior. and the dominion war is the greatest thing weve seen on star trek, unrivalled in epicness. the idea everything can always be resolved peacefully is flawed. and it forgets that the federation had no peace with the klingons or the romulan star empire. on the contrary in deep space nine, klingons are our allies, and we've got more races in starfleet than before. previous star trek had too much of a preachey tone. it was about time we had a military conflict. DS nine had greater character arcs and character development., it had two long seven season story arcs-the dominion war, and the story of the Bajor prophets and the wormhole, centred on captain sisko. it manages to deal with the most epic war brought to the screen ever, and a religious storyline. and it has plenty of light hearted stories centred on the ordinary daily life on the space station, or the gold pressed latinum ferengi world. we dwelve deeper and in more detail into many different races-the ferengis, the bajorans, the cardassians, the changelings, the trills. deep space nine does this a hundred times more deep than any other star trek. the result, we care about these character far more than in next generation, star trek original series or voyager. im not listing the other star trek because its just shitty prequels or jj abrams reboots, none of which i count as star trek.

@@shaunhumphreys6714 I would argue that DS9 had a 3rd long storyline, that of the Cardassian empire itself. And how they went full circle from conquerors to fighting for their own planet from occupiers.

For what Alpha Cannon tells us, we do not know yet. In multiple Beta Cannon sources Starfleet does the opposite and instead becomes MORE militarized. It does not ever go over kill and still in times of peace focus primarily on Science and Exploration but at least for the next few centuries as seen with Enterprises F and J, as well as the 29th century ships does not ever go to being as pacifistic as it was in TNG.

@@occultatumquaestio5226 That's quite possible. Then again, how many times did Starfleet beef up their military spending within a couple hundred years. Without knowing what has happened in the history between those ships, it's hard to conclude either hypothesis. But based on that info, I would theorize that Starfleet is at least able to mobilize and militarize faster and/or easier thanks to past experiences. Their tendancy to demilitarize quickly in peacetime is pretty consistent and old habits die hard.

@@HeadlessChickenTO Even before Enterprise was written the Trek creative staff were adamant that the early years of Starfleet were all about the conflict between the "Butterfly Catchers" (explorers) and the "Hawks" (soldiers.)

glad you enjoy

it'll change every dominion war video ;)

@@LoreReloaded How long have you been putting this all together you sly dog?

I've wanted to redo the series that helped get me my start for 6 months.. I only now did it because I felt I had become good enough to do it more justice.

Lorgar ruined everything

@@perturabo7825 You mean "Lorgar gave new meaning and narrative possibilities to everything". Emperor is just product of a bunch of ancient psyker-shamans, he doesn`t have ambitions or aspirations, only blind goal of destroying Chaos. Same Chaos which is product of mortal souls. You now what is antithesis to Chaos? Order it is, same Order as Tyranids or Necrons represent. No soul, no personality, just obedience to system. Another example is Tau. Them may not understand that, but they serving Order by aspiring to regulate lives of an individual and put it to service of common goal, and they doing this better than Imperium, which feeds Chaos with psychic energy, troops and other resourses. Best Chaos troops and commanders once was imperial accets, ffs!

​@@nerowulfee9210 Your actually wrong the Tyranids have so much consciousness?... Super-consciousness that it literally blackens the warp the Necrons have literally no connection to the warp along with the Tau (except the Etherials). Tyranids don't represent order the represent Hunger an insatiable one at that. The Necrons fear of the Unknown. Last but not lest the Tau are blind service. The Imperium is an amalgam of all these ideals. Also Big E was just "trying to destroy Chaos," I must ask have you ever picked up a Horus Heresy Novel he is... was trying to unit humanity and bring about a new Golden Age, he is literally Manifest Destiny of Humanity incarnate. Destroying Chaos was only a + and at that there is never a point where he says "I want to destroy Chaos," he only wants humanity to stop relying on the Warp for transportation. That was all the Human Webway was about.

Yea..it was never given a name apparently

nice new intro

They got whaled on...

BTW can anyone be able to request for eagle moss ships for research for videos? My channel is just starting up and I thought of having star trek videos and aviation videos ( not those I have now).

Glad you enjoy it.. You mean long ones like these, or even longer?

I tend to like longer than this. I like turning on videos, especially yours, while at work and listening to them. I know that longer videos mean a lot more work on your side, but the longer videos tend to have more dissection and such. I just love it. Keep it up and know you have a huge fan.

This subject can fill an entire series of vids. Breaking it up into chunks is probably the best way to go.

I'm trying.. glad it's noticed.

intro will change every dominion war episode ;)

This intro is specific to the dominion war. I've gotten so much positive feedback, i'll probably try this style with a similar opener for future videos .. we'll have to see what people think.

I don't know that I'd call it a montage.. but.. yea..

@@LoreReloaded Intro? Opening credits?

Oh, yea! Gotcha, thought you meant the video overall i was like.,. 'uh'

@@LoreReloaded Ha! "I don't think that means what you think it means."

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Yea, this is going to be my definitive break down on it.. 'done right' as it were.

Sweet!!! Can't wait for more!!!

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And "Starfleet is not a military organization"-Picard, with his "You are either Federation or you are inferior" attitude (sure he was a diplomat, but he sure saw races not of the Federation as inferior...hell, he used the Prime Directive (which IMHO was only a guide-line, a rule to make Officers think before acting!) to condemn people he could easily save to death because they were "primitive" compared to the Federation! How enlightened of you, Captain! How enlightened indeed!)

think it should be in every video giving a sneak peak of what you'll see in the video?

Lore Reloaded In my opinion, yeah, its a great intro, don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be.

I'm trying it on the other series as well just to see how it goes.. we'll see..

Amen

Absolut on point

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” Sun Tzu

Hydrogen One social pacifism is bad, but political pacifism is good, countries, especially in the modern era, benefit much more from peace than war.

So Speaketh Heinlein

I hate to say it but I think Trek would have died if Roddenberry hadn't. He had some very odd ideas and they dragged TNG way, way down for the first couple seasons ; this was chief among them.

@@BlazingOwnager Have to agree. It's why DS9 is arguably better than TNG imho. It paints a little more realistic aspect of life in that universe. Regardless, Star Fleet has always been a military organization, hence the military ranks and high firepower on those ships. This was reflected by our own situation, when it was a time when the U.S. military was changing it's appearance into a kinder, gentler military. One that used ships and equipment for relief effort (I served in the U.S. Navy during the 90's, so I could see these changes firsthand). Of course all of that was just a facade, underneath it all was still a potent organization capable of inflicting massive pain on enemies. Same goes with Star Fleet.

I've always said that Starfleet is the military arm of the Federation.

@@BlazingOwnager Eh, you're not wrong, but I still would rather anyone take the reins other than Bergman. Edit: Except Kurtzman.

It's the creepiest military industrial complex ever conceived

Im just redoing it

@@LoreReloaded nothing wrong with that lol, keep up the great work!

think it should be in all of the videos.. giving pictures relevant to the topic at hand?

@@LoreReloaded Yeah go for it, it will be like the series and future productions will have their own signature intro and feel to them. Change is good it shows your evolving your techniques.

Kinda funny though that some big institutions in it go back further than the Aztec Empire though, which is crazy.

Sailing ship navies would pull young teen boys off the streets to sever minor duties aboad ship, those who showed that they where the lest bit smart were trained in math/ rote to become minor offices. The Navy is your family, your loyalty and duty is to your family. Leave the cooking and laundry to the women, the men have enough to do during the day. Also 'men' tend to be a bit more civil around older women. people mind their manners when they know they will be flogged.

it's a different era in the future, it would not be the same as TNG/DS9

Not if i wanted to stay consistent

@@LoreReloaded showing those added nothing to the overall discussion and didnt add to the points made. But that is just my opinion and at this point is not even clear that all the Discovery series events are in The original Trek Universe. Looks more like its set in a alternate or mirror Universe. Thus having nothing to do with the canon history of whats accepted as the original timeline fans have grew up with.

As apart of the lore..they directly referenced it.. i talked about the war that happened in the show

And it us stupid clear it is in the same universe..i mean..mind numbingly..not even debateably clear

@@LoreReloaded well thats pretty amazing when CBS or the writers cant even make it clear but everyone is entitled to their opinion. But from the technology to the chemistry within the crew nothing but the name Star Trek lines up with the original Universe of Star Trek. I expect most older fans would agree with me on that. Since i have been watching everything Trek for 53 years now.

Yeah, the Federation was on the right path, but the Dominion was something that would've been difficult to prepare for. That empire was powerful enough to take on 3 alpha quadrant superpowers by themselves and that's just what we know about them.

There's not a whole lot of alpha canon from which such a series would be based. The Caprica series was pretty short-lived (sadly), and all we know about the first Cylon War comes from flashbacks, a made-for-TV movie (Blood and Chrome), and a PC game that would fall into beta-canon territory. Lore rarely delves into beta-canon for analysis. Speaking for myself, It's hard to compare the Colonials with the Federation. The Colonials are a deeply dysfunctional bunch with a long history of infighting. The creation of the Cylons was partly done out of a desire to preserve the existing social order and deter any threats to the more prosperous colonies. They were fighting machines. If memory serves, it wasn't until later that the Cylons became ubiquitous and were used for basic labor rather than just as shock troops. The hubris of the Colonials came from the belief that no AI could be truly sentient, a mistake that the more enlightened Federation didn't make thanks to passionate arguments from men like Jean-Luc Picard. This was the direct cause of the first Cylon War, and the original sin that led to the Colonials' destruction decades later. Pacifism wasn't the issue behind their demise. More like fatigue. They were tired of the endless vigilance the armistice that ended the first war required, made a mistake by re-networking their ships, then got burned. This doesn't get into the business of the Final Five, or the ancient Cylons of Old Earth, or any of the mythology that was explained about as well as Forrest Gump reciting Shakespeare. (Face it, the producers were just making things up as they went and sacrificed credible world-building for shock drama. "I'm a Cylon? WTF?!") I prefer to focus on the original premise for the 2004 series.

@@Lennis01 Good points, but the Blood and Chrome TV movie is Alpha Canon and does give us a good view of the war. Post War Caprica based on BSG series' references, seem like an idealized Democratic state, like the Modern US or Star Trek's Federation. Yes, in Star Trek the Borg nearly destroyed the Federation after Wolf 359, only for starfleet to get really lucky Same is true with the 12 Colonies of Kobol, they barely got their armistice from Cylon-Humans. The difference is that in Battlestar Galactica the One "True God"doesn't like to interfere in corporeal affairs, but in Star Trek the Prophets are "Okay, fine Sisko-Jesus, you get your miracle" and stop a massive fleet of Dominion ships. Be honest, the Federation is no less Corrupt or no less internally divided as Colonials, it's just hidden better beneath utopian exterior. By the time of the Dominion War, they were basically as whipped as the Colonials, whose technology couldn't stop the invaders.

​@@time391 As I remember it, the "One God" of BSG was always interfering, albeit in usually subtle ways. "She" was influencing Baltar through visions right from the start, and the results were always tragic and led the Colonials in the direction God wanted them to go. The Colonials basically lost their entire civilization due to God's machinations, their own frequent stupidity notwithstanding, and they were left on a pristine but technologically barren world, doomed to forget everything they were and what they had accomplished as a space-faring culture. It was really quite sad. I disagree with your assessment of the Colonials and the Federation being the same, as their general attitudes towards life differed greatly. The Federation had achieved a post-scarcity society, so they didn't have to deal with the baser instincts of greed that often ensnared the Colonials. The Colonials would never have seen Data or The Doctor as anything but property or assets. The Federation (with some prodding) acknowledged them as sentient beings. The idealism of the Colonials never went beyond their own needs. Federation citizens were encouraged to expand their thinking. So the Colonials entered a decadent stagnation, while the Federation was entering an era of limitless potential. Remember that the Colonials were hamstrung by the armistice with the Cylons, while the Federation had contained or allied with their historical enemies and were free to expand. That the Federation would lose some of their idealism when pushed to extremes doesn't negate what they had achieved. Most importantly, the Federation survived its trials and learned from them. The Colonials were wiped out.

@@Lennis01 Actually, that's not completely True about the Federations being Post-Scarcity and Open society. In most installments and especially Deep Space Nine, you can clearly see that beyond the Core Worlds of the Federations, outlying colonies and territories were growing food, having to barter with alien cultures for equipment/tech, and normal things you might observe from modern civilizations. Like the Colonials with "Caprica" as their pristine capital world, the Federations's Core World of "Earth" was just flawed. It received numerous economic, technological, and social inputs from outlying worlds. People were living a really good standard of living on Earth, but beyond Earth as Sisko pointed out "Not all the Problems have been solved". I also would point out that despite Data and Androids in particular gaining rights in limited fashion, there was still very active prejudices to artificial lifeforms. Data's daughter Lal was going to be taken away from him, if you recall by Starfleet under the principle that they had ownership of her. Data would challenge this, but before it was ruled, Lal had a programming issue in a convenient plot twist to avoid the ethics. Let's go even to the Doctor and the rights of Holographic lifeforms, they were treated like second class citizens as well, because they were programmed to serve. When they rebelled, Starfleet would either find ways of turning them off or placate them. The Voyager EMH had to argue for his rights in order to be treated as an equal, which he won on a limited scope. Does that sound like an enlighten society? Not really, it sounds like a society that is still trying to define itself. They're no better than the Battlestar Colonials, when it comes to these things. The key difference though comes from the interaction with Omnipotent beings. Colonials were not treated with gentle hands and snark remarks like Q or the Prophets would offer. They were pushed to the point of extermination for some grand plan. If God had intervened, turned off the Cylons before they could finish their invasion of the 12 colonies and given them a chance, you'd get the same scenario as the Dominion War's final outcome as the Prophets interceded in Sisko's favor and stopped the Dominion Armada from coming, along with any other reinforcements. .

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The Galaxy Class was designed to be a long range explorer but its facilities were so comfortable all the diplomats kept requisitioning their use and it was so well armed and fast that it was getting into way more scrapes than intended. Trust me, stuff like that happens in real world armed services all the time, though usually it starts halfway through construction.