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I own a 1997 century, not a horse troyan but the thing just keep running. Cheap and easy to fix parts makes the deteoit 60 series a very reliable engine. I love this truck and hope to put money into it in the coming months.

I got a 02 Freight Shaking Century Class stand up sleeper with a Detroit 14.6 and a 10 speed for $5000.

very true,,i bought a 96 PETE with a small CAT engine 370HP,, ,5 years ago for $5K...i do a lot of heavy container work,,and this old boy has turn on every morning and has brought me back home every night for the last past 5 years,,only has been in the mechanic for small stuffs,,,this old trucks will run forever as long u give it,its proper maintance,,When u have no PAYMENTS u r ahead of the game !! Goodluck !!!

Yeah i have a 1996 W900L 3406e Cat. And felluz let me tell you that I'm glad i can go after market for parts and my latino brother to do the installation of the parts if i cant do it. I buy my own oil and filters and he charges me $60.00 bucks to change the oil, filters and lube the truck. And when i need the engine worked on, i have a damn good Cat man (no shade tree) that can touch up the Big Kitty...lol. Also a good technician that can run diagnostics. Somebody ask if the older trucks get good mileage. I get 6 to 6.3 mpg as long as i keep my foot out if it. Not bad for 20,000lbs truck at 500hp. 10sp with 370's. Wanna get a 13sp that should smooth her out just fine. Hey guys you can do a few mods on your old truck to get your mpg and power up. Get rid of that stock exhaust. Straight pipe or after market(Dynoflex or Pittsburg Power or resonator). Get the ECM opened up. I dont switch fuels often. The Big Kitty loves Pilot fuel. QT and BP close 2nd. I use lots of synthetic oils. They keep all moving parts slick and keep the heat down. I changed my thermostat to a 180° because Cats sweat more than Detroits and Cummings. Keep everything fresh and always eye ball your truck from front to back. Use your nose and always listen to your truck. Thats your money maker and 2nd home. Keep everything thing adjusted (clutch,brakes,etc). My favorite part stores in my area are GREAT AMERICAN, GLOBAL PARTS, 18 WHEELER TRUCK PARTS, TRUCK PRO. Honorable mention, FLEET PRIDE! I only go to the dealership KENWORTH (Grab Your Ankles) if i have to. I'm not far from Kenworth and can testify on how many new trucks stay up in that mofo at $160.00 bucks an hour not including parts at dealership cost? Awww man you better bring your own grease! One last thing. No matter what! Always get the truck check out before you hand over any money. Full diagnostic, fuel pressure check, blow by, etc. From the rooter to the tooter! Ask for maintenance documents also. If the person selling the truck starts looking up at the sky with one eye squinted and saying ahhhhh...uhhhhh...i think it was 10,000 miles. Walk away unless the owner will pay for the full diagnostic to get it checked out! People can wash the engine and chassis to shine like new money. And as soon as you run 500 miles, you got leaks everywhere. Customer wont let you pull up on they're property to deliver the load...lmao. Thats my 2cents plus a lil more. God Bless and good luck in finding your truck👍

Hey there Brotherman!! I'll be done with school here in a lil bit and gonna come out to buy a 1973 Peterbilt 359! That's an classic rig right there but like you said you can always fix it yourself! Saves you money and time as well man. Not a big fan of today's rigs. The older guys are retiring and just leaving them in the yard rusted up or in the woods. Time to go old Skool again hahah, I'm only 20 by the way but know so much about the older rigs! Thanks for the video man and be safe Trucker 10-4

Go ahead buy a new truck get new truck problems. I'm making profits with my 93 FLD

See, I finally found someone who appreciates older trucks. Myself I'm fascinated with older cabover trucks. Like the kenworth aerodine .and a Pete 362. Thanks for not giving up on these work horses my friend!!!

I was born in 1987 and being-home schooled, have ridden in Trucks all my life. My Father started teaching me how to drive when I was five and I would never touch any of the "New" trucks. Anything made before 1995 is what I say are the best trucks. ECM motors always have the potential to go bad; even the E-cats, DD60's or N14's, stay away from them. If you cut me I'd bleed CAT yellow, but I like NTC cummins motors from the 250's on up to the KTA's. The old mechanical detroit engines like the 2-71's, 4-71's, 6-71, 8-71 and 12-71's, not to forget the "Screaming Demon" 318, are simply awful sounding to me; but they get as good or better mpg as any of the DD13-16 junk that "Detroit" puts out nowadays and they are way more reliable. Mack made great mechanical engines too, but nothing has ever beat CAT. On that note, the B-Cat is a solid motor, but you'd be smarter to get a 3408 or the original "four and a quarter Cat" the 1693. I've studied the history of diesel engines and nothing tops a 1693. I know all the modern myths. "it's a fuel hog" or "it's too heavy" or "it doesn't have a jake brake", but all of that doesn't matter. Jake brakes work by compression and that slowly deforms your cylinders and pistons, weakening them over time; 3408's and 1693's got around that by the use of exhaust brakes and oil-driven brake savers which (when combined with gearing down as you go down a hill, slow for township, etc) held even severely overweight trucks from getting out of control. Plus all the weight of either engine's iron absorbed heat, helping things to stay cool. How do I get fuel milage with those monsters, you ask? Easy: More gears; Back in the days of real trucking (1930's-80's) "Dial-a-gears" like air shifted 9-18 speeds were what the companies brought. For independent owner-operators, twin or triple stick transmissions (5x4 or 6x4, up to 24 gears) were the way to go. No loss of power through the driveline or transmission coolers needed plus 3% or better fuel mileage and more torque to the tires. "The EPA or CARB won't allow these engines" False. On another of Brotherman trucking's videos, one gentleman who drives a '77 Pete 377 with a B-Cat into California mentions that he pays for some sort of exemption ($2,000 per year) plus he changes his filters every 30 days. If a B-Cat can do it, why not a 3408 or 1693? Low rear end gears (4.11 to 5.25) are the best for long haul. progressive upshifting raises the ratio to "tall gear" range. For example: Rear axle ratio of 4.11* 0.68 transmission top gear overdrive = Final gear ratio of 2.79. That means you can fly down the road saving fuel with the strength of hill-climbing ratios all at the same time. The old mechanical engines were geared to run at 18-2400 rpm; this is good because the engine can work without straining itself (Like a runner who has warmed his heart before a track meet). KTA's, 3408's or 1693's have torque curves that rise gradually until around 2100 rpm then they go down gradually instead of falling off fast like the ECM and pre or post EGR motors from CAT, Cummins, Mack, Volvo or Detroit. This permits the ability to hold power at high or low speed without straining the engine and burning more fuel via the 20+ gears of "Twin sticks". All 3 of these motors were the engines of choice for the outlaw truckers of the 1960's-80's like "Southern Shaker", "Plum Crazy" or the legendary Monfort truckers of Colorado. One 1969 freightliner cabover with a CAT 1693, 6x4 transmission and 3-speed rear ends was clocked at 147 mph with 40,000 in the box. Another 1693 powered truck clocked at 125 mph pulling a lowboy with a D9 Cat aboard weighing 80,000 pounds! Imagine what a guy or gal can do at 65-75 mph with such an engine climbing Grapevine, Shasta, Monteagle or Cabbage hill. As for the 3408, gosh! Truckers used to say "You'll never be late with a 3408" for a reason. That thing ate mountains for breakfast and the KTA 450's and 600's were no exception. I met a lot of independent truckers and old-time shop mechanics over the years from age 5 on up and they were kind enough to share a good many of the secrets of mechanical diesel engines; they are easy to fix and care for. If you treat them gently (no jack-rabbit starts from a stoplight, etc) and check them over after every trip they LAST FOREVER. Any truck from the 1930's forward can be put to work in today's industry. One driver has a 1948 peterbilt 351 with KTA 600 which still runs long haul. Another drives a 1962 kenworth with a 220 cummins pulling a 53' footer with 8 million miles on it, last I heard. With the internet, you can find the parts to care for these old horses and they WILL outdo anything new. Autocar, Brockway, Chevy Bison, Dodge Bighorn, Emeryville's, Freightliner WFT and WFC's, Ford LTLs, Mack Cruiseliner and Superliners, Peterbilt 281, 350 series, 379's are all the best of trucks. Buy them and you'll really be trucking! People say the great days of Trucking are gone, but if you've got the guts to buy the right truck and drive independent (own your own trailer, no brokers, run coast to coast) because you love this way of life, you'll beat the challenge!

All about the maintenance and how you keep it up . Really don’t need a brand new truck , if that truck can run for at least 5 months there is your down payment on a more up to date truck for about 25-30k cause you’ll be make at least 3-5k a week , gross about 20k a month hell you can buy a better truck in do time . It’s not what you start off with , it’s what you end up with in the future

Thanks man I needed that brother.

I own a beautiful lowered and stretched 93 379 Pete. 3406B mechanical motor. I love the older trucks and nothing like petermobiling from AL to CA. old school is way cool.

Great word brother Shannon, am excited a bought getting and old school work horse after my lease is up!! 10 more months too go brother

Thanks for the video!Im new to trucking. What are some good older trucks to look for? I hear some companies want you to have newer truck...

You buy a used truck for 20k or 40k or 60k, instead of 150k, and you pay it off quickly, no more payments. it will brake now and then but the new once break too, you keep fixing it and with time you will have many new parts in your truck and it will be just like a new truck.

I'm in the process of buying a 1987 western Star with 3406b cat day cab for rock hauling

I have a 1974 Peterbilt 359-A, I do all of the work on the truck myself and I am exempt from the ELD Rule, and no DEF.

Thanks for this video you make me feel better driving my old 1998 Freightliner

Hey man, im looking at buying an older truck when i move into the trucking buisness.. Thinking about peeterbuilt but im not sure, im really good at driving stick so it doesnt matter. I wana hear some good recomendations what do you think is good?

I bought my truck new, back in 1994 it is a Mack Ch model with the 42" sleeper. I have been the only operator of it since the day it left the lot. I concur about the "older truck, you can work on it yourself" I do, I have quite a bunch of tools that I've purchased over the years for it and they more than pay for themselves as I've used the tools on my cars and around the house too. The only regret, is that when I bought it, I wish I had bought a bigger sleeper but at the time I got what my budget allowed me to spend. Don't be afraid of an older truck if you know what you are doing and you take good care of it.

He's right 100 percent I retired and my truck had about 700k miles and never rode the hook the person that bought it should get a million miles if he takes care of it and don't abuse it,if it pulled the hill 7th I'd drop to 6th no need to crowed it

I like the old B-61 Macks. Those mostly came with 2 sticks. Newer trucks for sure have the softer rim steering wheel while the old ones have a hard rim steering wheel. The new trucks do have what much of the old time truckers would call are Roadranger transmissions with air switches and some even have automatic transmissions. The road rangers are easier to handle since you have only one lever with air switches to go thru all your gears. The ones in the 1950s and the early part of the 1950s, you mostly had 2 sticks and those trucks were a job to handle. The thing I like about the L model Macks and some of the Diamond Ts, were that you had the windshield wipers hanging from the top. Those were good since when you ran them, you had the clean part right where you were trying to see.

Bought a 2001 Volvo vnl 660 for 3k in auction running & driving truck but a few months in ... Got a bad liner did an in frame overhaul with heads & new oil cooler 9 grand... 12k for a badass Volvo #N14 ready to rock & roll...

It may seem crazy but I've personally always wanted one of those older COE joints with some fresh paint or a decent wrap job just for kicks. Purple maybe. I love those old flat face trucks. Every now and then I'll see an old trucker in one.

Good video bruh. Preciate it

The truck I bought was a 1995 T-600 Kenworth with a 60 series Detroit and a simple 10 speed. I only gave $18,000 back in 2005

I'm scared of old trucks. I drove two: 1 Pete-1 Freightliner and they were always breaking down for one reason or another. They kept the mechanics busy.

Still a Great Video... Thank you

Can you give us some numbers ? One mans costs for the truck payments,maintenance,etc.....compared to a person that pays a big payment. Does reliability cost you work compared to a newer truck ?

hey brotherman i have a question. lets say I'm able to find a good running old truck that i can afford. how do i go about finding a company that will hire me. lots of places have dumb rules like 7 years or younger for trucks?

very true pre emissions pre egr are the best trucks and your maintenance cost its like 1/3 of a new truck plus you don't have to worry about making that 2800 dlls payment every month for the next 5 years

Hay Brother..which are the most reliable and long lasting machine's, can you describe.

Buying cheaper trucks is better. Even with the maintenance costs, they are still cheaper, although you will need to have money set apart. Many newer trucks cost, $100,000+ or leasing payments are $500-$1000/week. This requires one to have a lot more cost required.

This guy sounds like denzel washington.

You are right sir.

Indeed Bro!!! Makes Great sense!!! PEACE OUT!!!;

Whats the best oldest truck with an auto trans? My clutch knee is acting up and Im going to have to switch to auto soon, Im think an early 2000's Pete 387 but they are hard to find in auto. Hauling tanker by the way..

Hey when you be a trucker can you pick any sates you wanna delivery

Great vids bud...i run a 94 pete loggin truck

i have a peterbilt 359 it runs very good 500hp cummins

You going from pick to drop rolls the same. Maintaining about same avg over a 3 year spans. Take care of the old truck it'll be their. Less downtime, and parts are on the shelf. Mechanic 's love them.

how many miles did your truck have when you bought it? what are some other guidelines for buying a used truck? im looking at a 1998 or older peterbilt 379

Older post-emission trucks - like Cascadias, are popular. But I’m seriously beginning to look further back myself, like a pre-emission FLD. The only things that would discourage that would be if states - like California, begin banning them, or companies won’t lease with an older truck. But the old trucks make a lot of sense, it’s the reason gliders are so sought after.

thank you, i am interested in a tractor, but lack experience in both knowledge of trucks and knowledge of being a owner operator.

In Europe they are charging a fortune for older trucks to drive into some cities, if its older than E5 ('04-'07) then they want some £20/day off you for operation. It put my old Cummins 460 powered Foden off the road. :(

I am going to get an old truck in 6 or 8 years to avoid elogs and the reason for that far away cause that's when I will be able to drive a truck

thats what im talking about 👍

I got 05 freightliner daycab bought it 3yrs put over 20k into it. Some people think that crazy but it run good now when you open that hood and go underneath my truck you can tell work has been done. new parts everywhere on that damn thing but run like a champ. a I never been on the side of the road it and my truck has never been towed, it alway made it back home, and it still going hard.

I need a place to buy Mack Tractor heads and please i need advise of the average Mileage to consider when purchasing it . . I am a transporter in Nigeria hauling for Petroleum Depots in Lagos.

you basically want a 2008-2009 or older truck, and stay away from freightliners!!!! interiors are utter junk.

In all honestly if you have an laptop scan tool and know your way around an engine theirs really not too much you can't fix on a newer truck. Truth be told theirs not too much that's even going to go wrong on them if you keep up with your routine maintenance schedule. You can't be afraid to move forward

bought a 2000 fld120 5 month's ago shit breaks every week but I'll spend 200 a week vs 700 a week any day fixing my old truck

Is it possible to make any kind of profit with an old truck working "part-time" doing local work?? Any suggestions on how to make at least around $2000/month profit working part-time?

I am going to buy an 1985 International cabover. It runs good, good tires and brakes. Guy is going to let me make payments to pay it off.

I'm about to buy a older dump truck and really don't no much about the industry...im 19 and looking for some solid advice for were the best place to start making money

What kind of truck you in? Nice 👍 two sunroofs!!

Thanks

Sounds great but, unless you plan on getting your own authority, who you going to find that will sign on such an old piece of equipment?

Thought back in 98 when I got my new Ram 2500 Cummins that would be my last truck but NO eats battery's, lift pumps , injection pumps and tires. At 120k will not pass smog again So at 62 I am building an old Chevy 4400, Twin turbo charged 318, Jakes, Allison 6 speed and 04 W4500 disk brake axles To bad I will never be able to get a dot number and work it lol

I have a 1991 ford L9000 dump truck 3306 cat engine. 8LL roadranger. old Hendrickson spring suspension.made over $200k in the last 2 seasons..best truck I worked with...i will run this truck till the wheels fall off before i buy a new one

It's almost always cheaper to buy the tools than it is to hire it out. That being said... at the end of the day you'll have a mountain of tools that only get used one time. I know. I'm that guy. I've got a garage full of tools. So many that when it comes down to it... if I do happen to need a tool a second time, the odds of me finding it in that pile of tools are so slim that time wise it's cheaper for me to go buy a second tool then dig threw all my tools to find the one I know already have. Think about that for a second. Lol.

I bought 2000 fld 120 with 3406e cat engine for 9,000. put 1,500 to pass dot inspection. truck runs great and i have guys all the time asking me if i want to sell. and i just laugh and say no.

1984 Peterbilt 359 3406E Cat

Is an old pick up good for a first vehicle I'm 16 and would very much like to learn how to maintain cars/trucks and their engines Any advice would be appreciated

Wish I could have bought an old truck I would have done it in a heartbeat but I live in California and subject to the carb law so I own a 2012 389 Pete love the truck hate the smog system I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that the service engine light is always going to be on no matter how much money gets poured into the repairs and I've shelled out quite a bit more than I care to say

How old would you consider too old? I've got a family to raise and i'm considering getting in before the next oilfield wave caused by the next middle east conflict, I dont have alot of faith in our current Administration to avoid trouble over in the sandbox. There seems to be a boost in prices of 95-99 trucks due to recent emissions regulations changes (costing as much as those post 2000) so I was wondering if 88-94 was too old. I'd really like ABS (especially as a new driver) but except for that i'd want a mechanical injection diesel, maybe Cummins Big Cam III (as the IV had some problems) as I hear nothing but good. I like trucks like the 88-93 Peterbilt 372 due to the aerodynamics and that was what I was hoping to find but was worried about whether it'd be hard to turn my own wrenches on a cabover and didnt know how hard it would be to backconvert an engine to Big Cam 3 parts. (or if that's even emissions legal) If you have any suggestions on where I could learn about all this, from working on older trucks, checking them out myself (what to inspect), turning my own wrenches (I do on one ton trucks already but nothing Class 8 size) on big diesels, and other hints i'd be grateful... :)

comes 2022 u wouldn't be able to register ur old truck thats what i keep hearing dont know how true is that, do ya driver know anything about that

Then end of this video was epic But your title says dont buy an old truck 😂😂😂 ima cop me a late 90's chicago bulls n14 cummins

I have ten new dump trucks with 100k to 200k just out of warranty because three years old now when I take the to the dealer it’s 3k to 8k to fix and the down time is two or three weeks mine are cat and Mack dumps 2014 or 2015 and The new style emission systems such as EGR cooler and EGR and DPF’s are junk and will cost you all your profit, I should be driving a ghost rolls Royce but instead I drive a Ford escape all because my profits go to the dealer to fix my trucks Big Jaymz Tampa Fl

Just like several people have mentioned up here, WHO is going to lease you on to their company with an old truck? Nobody has answered that question in a legitimate way yet. "They're out there"......That ain't a good enough answer. WHO and WHERE are they? Does me no good if the only company willing to sign me on with my old truck is located on the opposite side of the country.

What kind of truck did you have ?

I got a 9400i 2006 05. Old are the best

Cummins or Cat? I read you can rebuild a cummins for half the cost of rebuilding a cat and their both great engines.

I most certainly agree, but your title says "don't" buy an old truck".

Ya good luck with that 1990 truck ..I doubt that you get more than 6 miles per gallon If you get that much .What you save them putting money on the truck probably 3 times that much every year in fuel cost .New trucks are just as reliable

Brotherman! Sorry to be commenting on an old video. But, the topic couldn't be more relevant than now! You said it! Old iron is good iron! Having watched some of your other video's, the title on this one made me scratch my head! I couldn't agree with you more. Pollution controls and electronic everything are just as much if not more $ than maintaining an old truck! Yes, old trucks need repairs and maintenance, all trucks need that. But, once you DO the repair, assuming it was done right, if you maintain it, you won't have to do THAT repair again for a LONG time. Lone Mountain is for people who want to get ripped off and be out of business FAST! Search Lone Mountain videos on KZfaq, there are PLENTY of them out there...fella's, STEER CLEAR of them and other outfits just like them! I prefer old trucks out of the southwest, from the farmers who drove them. You can also find good trucks from old-school O/O's who are "hanging up their hat". These guys keep equipment long time, generally take good care of it. Recently, I bought a '96 Intl 9200 Eagle from a farmer in OK, southwest of Lawton. Had $30K in repair receipts for work done in the last 100K mi including a fresh crate motor, rebuilt 13 spd, clutch, new turbo and radiator. I paid $10,500 for it. That was a rare find!!! You have to look for them, their out there. At the same time I found this truck, I ran across a NICE '96 FLD 120, original owner, clean in and out. Lots of recent work, good tires and brakes. He was an O/O who unfortunately was side-lined from a stroke, was selling his truck and trailer, but willing to separate, $9K for the truck. I didn't have cash for both. Shortly after, I sold my old truck, contacted this fella right away, it was gone. Someone got another good old truck! During my recent search, I personally went out, test-drove old trucks in a 375 mi radius. Putting it mildly, stuff in the sub $20K price range was ROUGH, easily needing $15-30K in repairs. But, even if you bought one at full price, gave the $ to your mechanic to fix, in comparison to what you get at a Lone Mnt, you'd STILL be money ahead! Here is 2 more things to tell people considering buying a truck: 1.) No matter what you buy, have a reserve fund for repairs. You'll put $ into it to make it "road ready". But, as soon as you start driving it, you'll uncover a few more "hidden" issues. And, as you generate revenue, always set aside something for on-going maintenance and repairs. 2.) Brotherman, I know you know this point well, maybe you didn't want to come right out & say it, so I'll say it for you: Old iron = No ELD!!! It is AMAZING how many people still don't know this ELD exemption. It isn't a "magic box". If there isn't an "ECM", then there's no place to plug in an ELD! GPS based ELD's are NOT allowed! In fact, thankfully, the rules come right out and address the technology to say it is not considered reliable for accurate positioning. Nice of them to have clarified that. Thank GOD for loop holes! So, not only is the old iron easier to fix, and frankly, can be the same if not lower cost on fuel (no DEF), you can still use "paper" logs OTR! Keep up the great videos and, safe trucking to you Brotherman!!!

1961 white Freightliner cab over

Side what are you talking about an old truck pulling refrigerated companies don't like to old of a truck since it might break down on you .

sir what is name of the truck that you are speak of,what engine?

Thumbs up.

20 years isn't really that old for a machine really

Brotherman saw a 2012 international pro star 500k 19k. Everyone says stay the heck away. What do you think? Will be used to haul reefer east coast primarily

Good info man, thank you for the common sense. Like you say, it's not rocket science but towing bills are a bitch!

there are people that buy old trucks Mexicans in texas

Older ones are truth

Good thing you bought an old truck because you are exempt from eld

How much did you pay roundabout

very important vid this is wut i do....

great information... bro...

BS. Old trucks parts are getting hard to find therefore cost more.

:09 Its " This other guy and I" not "Me and this other guy" Fuckin A dude.

Dont buy a new truck. Dont buy a CAT needing repair most expensive engine to repair.

What up haven't seen you in a while you still at the same place? Thinking about moving to the owner opp side

dont buy new truck i bought 2014 biggest mistake i have made i have a 2001 387 peet 1.35mill no problems overhauled 6nz 550 cat 18spd this new truck is garbage overpriced and they wont cover shit under warranty

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What about California new laws?

bought a 2000 fld120 5 month's ago shit breaks every week but I'll spend 200 a week vs 700 a week any day fixing my old truck