So which smart keyboard do you prefer? Or do you have any other options? Maybe not using a physical keyboard at all? Looking forward to reading your comments! :)

I too, want a a BETTER keyboard case for 2018 IPAD PRO 12.9...someone, please create one like Microsoft Surface KICKSTAND...it’s the BEST‼️

I bought the Smart Keyboard Folio! I like the slimness and functionality

I use my iPad mostly for note taking at school, school assignments, and as my main media device at home. For me the apple keyboard makes way more sense because I don’t do that much typing besides quick edits on word documents , replying to texts or emails and for that it works really well. If I have to do a long paper I just type it up on my laptop, which is heavy and a lot more cumbersome than my iPad, plus my iPad is a lot faster than my laptop or my school’s computers. I think this is something that really comes down to use case because I always take the keyboard case off when I’m at home and the fact that this case takes zero effort to take on and off is extremely nice and convenient for me. When I’m at school my iPad is in my bag and I’ve had no issues with bending or losing the pencil. Do the keys feel the best? Maybe I’m in the minority but I genuinely do not mind the feeling of the keys and find the performance perfectly acceptable, especially since the keyboard case is so thin and light. I can see why some people would lean towards other keyboards if they’re trying to make they’re tablet more like a laptop but for me I use my iPad as a tablet that I occasionally do laptop things on.

I appreciate that you are not only talking about the product but also shared your thinking of the real user scenario before the review. Although the first 8 minutes seems not related to the product itself (but it actually is - that’s the reason you choose the Logitech one), my point is it is important to thinking about user’s needs, which leads to a solution. I enjoy watching it.

i initially started out with otterbox defender+magic keyboard, then got brydge keyboard, and now i am finally getting the apple folio keyboard. If I was a youtuber I could probably talk anout these three setups for a good amount of time... im really the happiest with folio over the other options.

The slim pro does have two angles! If you push the back loop in it sits the iPad more upright

I think for most cases, you can have a little angle while writing on ipad by placing the case upside down with the keyboard facing upward.

I dropped by ipad from a chair onto a tiled floor. Corner hit, cracked the glass, but worse - it distorted the frame. The glass was easy to replace, but no one could flatten the back Al frame. I think rubber corners are good, but, most of the flat surfaces (like the rear) could be shaved to an absolute minimum, similarly the front keyoard can be min to support a keyboard as keys protect the glass. I agree - why don't manufacturers invest in market research? Can you make a case with a 3D printer and use a stick on touch plastic keyboard?

There is two viewing angles for the typing mode! While in typing mode, take the stand flap, and fold it up, then you are gonna get a smaller angle on the screen.

_"Thank god you didnt bought 4 cases and 2 ipads just to find out what works besst for protection."_ Thanks for sharing your insights and sorry to see so many expensive product that are just-not-finished products.

Hi! Great video! Based on it I just got the same case and it’s great, only big downsides are weight and thickness (mostly the second). I agree it should have two position magnets on the keyboard side, but there’s another way to do it, you can have the stand flap to sit on the keyboard piece and out of it (on the table) that gives you two slightly different options on the angle. Also they could have easily made this case a lot better by adding rubber points on the keyboard side and some magnets or marks on the other side to use the iPad in multiple angles without the keyboard. Also you missed mentioning that the keyboard powers on and off automatically when the magnet attaches, and that the lock and volumes buttons on the iPad are very hard to press with this keyboard they made that part out of soft rubber for protection, but could had added some hard core on the buttons.

I like the Apple Smart Keyboard Folio. If you put the iPad in the most upright slot then position the keyboard cover perpendicular to the desk you can have a nice slope to draw and write. I don’t seem to have a problem with the Apple Pencil detaching when its in my backpack computer sleeve pocket. Love my 12.9 Pro, Apple Pencil 2, and my folio keyboard!

Apple needs to realize that thinner isn’t always better

I purchased the previous version of Logitech keyboard and case for my first generation iPad Pro. While it was heavy it worked well. However after some time, it stopped working due to an iPad update. No support from apple or Logitech on the issue. I had to discard it and use a hard cover with pencil protection and a separate keyboard. I agree with your comments Tom. Why don’t companies speak to people like us who want to use the iPad Pro but still don’t have a good solution for protecting the iPad and pencil, having a good keyboard and not weighing a lot. Is that so hard?

As soon as i ordered my iPad i rushed and ordered an apple keyboard. I love how compact and how sleek it is. I also like how it types. I do think i would really like the Logitech option better. The thing I hate the most is typing at night, the keys are not backlit and it is so annoying. I usually end up putting the screen on as bright as it can be which is not ideal for your eyes when your trying to wind down at the end of the night. Also sometimes i fear if I drop my iPad with this keyboard case it would break. So i find myself putting it in my carry bag right away when I’m not using it. That’s just probably because it is a new toy and when you get something new and as expensive as this you tend to take good care of it for a while.

Great video Tom. I’m using the Apple Keyboard Folio. I just love how light it is, but you are right, very minimal protection. I just bought the Khomo based on your review for my nephew’s iPad Pro 11”. He doesn’t use a keyboard and carries the iPad on the train and all around the office, so no having much protection for the pencil is not good. I hope he likes it!

The problem is when you touch the pencil, it will keep connected to the ipad and less likely to go to sleep, so the battery of the pencil will keep draining even when you are not using it.

Why would the khomo case provide more protection than the apple keyboard case? Yes it covers the sides but if anything, the portion covering the screen is much thinner than the the keyboard imo so the same damage would’ve happened if you dropped a panel on the same spot.

I got the ipad with the full package on release and no real filth on the cover just yet. No scratches on it and my ipad is basically scratchless. One thing I did notice was that the connection pins on the ipad are a bit scratched up due to the pins on the folio. Other than that, the whole package is basically well maintained. It does help that i use a sleeve to put it in. The sleeve also offers protection for the pencil. A cheap and simple solution and I use the ipad almost every day.

Yeah, my  pencil has fallen off a few times, but less than 5 times since i bought the iPad. I bought a sleeve in addition to the Keybaord folio 3rd gen so that protects my whole iPad Pro.  ‘s keyboard folio solves all my problems, only thing i don’t like about it is the clicking noise when i type, especially when am in the library. Thanks for the review. 2 things the  keyboard folio remains top for me, 1. No charging needed, 2. It’s lightweight. When I want to write, i just place it on my sleeve. I don’t like placing they keyboard on surfaces on it’s own as you know, the keyboard keys are exposed in writing mode. So for me personally, the  keyboard folio fits my needs best. I however think  keeps features for future release because think about it, if they release a keyboard that includes every feature then their incremental updates are gone. My views thou.

Logitech is the best keyboard case. It’s protective and has the clicky keys that I like

I got the 2020 11inch with the smart folio case and the slim and clean design is all I ever needed. I absolutely love it however I am OCD so my devices are always clean and never have I dropped a device with that being said I can see how it could be frustrating for the majority of people that need something that can handle more but you can always buy it somewhere else that's the beauty of apple products they have so much accessories you can chose from.

I bought iPad Pro 2018 when it’s newly out. I also bought a Smart Keyboard Folio, but I regret doing so. I actually love its thinness and the feeling of typing, but there was once that the magnet slipped, then my iPad fell and one of the corners crashed. At least the screen didn’t break or crack. Also, as you said, it gets dirty too easily. Mine worn out pretty much quickly, if I remembered correctly, just a year and it started to look bad. I guess this is one of the drawbacks of buying a product when it was too new. 😂

There is a low angle way to use the Apple folio case. Configure it like you're going to type, then lay it on its back and turn it around. You end up with the keyboard sticking up in the air, but it works great. The keyboard becomes a privacy screen. No, the case is not perfect, but it does have the benefit of being very thin and lightweight which feels so much better to carry around. I carry it in a bag usually and reinforce the pocket I keep it in with a piece of solid plastic I cut to size.

I loved this ipad and hated the keyboard. Other keyboards are to bulky. Then tried the new macbook air and fell in love. easier typing. easier multitasking, no fingerprints all over the screen. trackpad. i love this ipad but to much as a tablet

If you like to keep your Apple Pencil in the slot in the folding flap as I do so I don’t lose it, it can be frustrating not knowing it’s battery state. I fold the flap over the back of the screen when I’m using the keyboard, and I also have the battery app showing in the “today” view. I’ve found that if you pull the top of the screen towards you about a couple of inches then after a second or two the app will show the pencils battery level as well.

Hey Tim, thanks a lot for your review :) your English is really good and your voice sounds very friendly and pleasant to listen to. All the best on your KZfaq journey!

I was a big fan of protective casing in the past. The first accessory that I will look at for a newly purchased device is protective casing. There are a few minority voices who warned about the danger of heat dissipation when the device is all wrapped up in non-heat-conductive casing. I reasoned that if most ppl don't face issue using protective casing, I should be fine too. Lo and behold, my new device (an iPhone) failed within a month of my purchase due to overheating. Why I know its due to overheating? Its because I installed a rogue apps that caused so much heat on my device that it went into emergency shutdown. If I don't have that casing, the emergency shutdown may have saved it (but still there will be some heat damages). In other words, if you use protective casing, you are negating the heat sink design (primarily via the back) of apple device. Now I fully appreciate why apple in-house designed accessories all exposed a good part of their device back and never really cover it while using (look at Magic keyboard and Smart keyboard design which exposed the bottom half of iPad during usage). While drop damage is a chanced event which we can mitigate by being more careful, heat dissipation damage (not necessarily just the drastic kind that I faced but mostly for most users a slow degradation of components over time which are not obviously evident but which will shorten the lifespan MTTF of the components) (by wrapping it in casing) are a 100% surety. I rather take the gamble and risk of drop damage than knowing with surety that my device is slowly but surely being damage by heat trapped by the casing in every single usage. Hence no more protective casing for me anymore. This is my story which I would like to share.

Nice Video, but I think You could deliver the same points with less time

2020 you can get the UAG scout series case and you can use the original smart keyboard :)

Thanks for the thorough explanation. I too have looked at the Logitech keyboard and while I do like all of the attributes that you described, especially function keys, I love the light weight and slender profile of the Apple keyboard. I’ve been extremely impressed at how well the Apple pencil stays attached to my 10.5” iPad. If I want to have an angle when laying the iPad on the table so I can draw or watch a video I just leave it open and in position with the keyboard, put it so that the iPad is laying on the table and the keyboard sticks up in the air. I still get two viewing angles and I personally don’t notice any obstruction from the keyboard. I carry mine daily as well and have not had the Pencil dropping issue that you described but I may carry it differently. I AM concerned that a single drop or misplacement will break the iPad so I totally understand where you are coming from. Great job on your review, keep up the good work!

The logitech is too bulky and heavy for me

Tom, neither the apple keyboard nor Logitech keyboard allow you to to use the camera very easily. Since we are complaining, when I have the case on and I have the ipad in portrait mode, I cannot fold the keyboard open all the way and take pictures because the backside of the keys are covering the camera. No one seems to have a case that offers those function keys like Logi and allow the camera to be available, and hold the pen in place. Beside, why can't we put the pen on the top (by the camera)? Again in portrait mode (like a paper note pad) I have the pen on the right side, but I can't really grab onto the ipad because the pen gets in the way. So many little things they didn't seem to think about.

I just put it in a sleeve I got from San Francisco Bags - low profile and works great with adequate protection.

I do like that fold over where it protects the pencil. I wish the apple keyboard had that to as I use my iPad mainly for art and I can’t afford to lose the pencil. Lol

Thanks for the review Tom was strongly considering the Logitech but damn 300g heavier?!

Urban armor gear has a case that FULLY protects your iPad and allows you to use the Smart Keyboard as well

I think the Galaxy Tab s 6 official case has the best solution for most of these issues it does the pen storage and charging much better. I'll go for something like the khomo, way more affordable and protective

Tom Solid, what's your recommendation and cheap alternative case for iPad Air 3 (2019 - same as iPad Pro 10.5)?

Different people have different demands. Engineers worked so hard to make iPad lighter and thinner then some people put a heave case on it, it is hard to make a keyboard case light and also light anyway. However, the only problem to me is that the price of apple Smart Keyboard is ridiculous.

I carry around a 15" MacBook Pro too, as much as I agree with your complaints 300 grams is just too much.

Loved your review! I need something like this for my work

Hi Tom, as always you shared a great video with interesting insight with us. As I am using a Bluetooth keyboard that I can easily use for macOS, iPad and PC in parallel - I love the Khömö protection .. too bad that shipping this to good old Germany costs nearly 50$ on top. Will try to find something similar that is closer. Thanks for sharing.

My 2017 10.5” Smart Keyboard started falling to pieces after one and a half year. I’ve taken it back to the store and a few days later I’ve got a new one from the service. It works again like a charm. But when I went to the store, I played a bit with the 2018 Pros and Smart Keyboard Folios. After 5 minutes I got the same feeling like Tom. Why? Folio is uncomforable, and the whole device is not so roboust like it would be for everyday use. I’m a happy user of my 2017 10.5 with the leather Khömö case and standard Smt. Kbd., this is much more compact, roboust and comfortable, easy to grab and hold in my hands (yes, I like a bigger borders at the top and bottom) and also safe for my Pencil. The only problem is the lollipop-like pencil charging, but in most cases, that is just a few minutes a day when it lies on my desk.

That is exactly the set up I used to protect my iPad Pro 12.9. I have both protection covers on my iPad.

Pull the top of the screen towards you and the push the bottom forward so the spine of the keyboard sits on the back of the Logitech folio. That’s what I do and it is more vertical.

I just ordered Logitech Slim Folio Pro Case for my Ipad Pro 12.9 2020!

Not sure if this is a fare review? The Logitech Keyboard does have two angles, You fold the back support inwards to make it vertical with out unlinking the screen. You should update this. Great video to that point though.

Any idea which case is best for my iPad Pro, 12.9-inch? Forget the year. It was a gift and the first iPad Pro introduced that year. Right now, I have the top case you showed that only goes on the screen side. Thank you. I subscribed.

Went for the Logitech Slim Folio right off. Really like the non-skid surface. Am very happy, but see same deficiencies you do. Just don’t expect perfection.

Video starts at 8:10

what an absolutely wonderful video mate, subscribed :) thank you for your insight and helpful tips!

I prefer slim that way I will not hang on thick stuff. The only thing I don’t like about apple keyboard is that at night you can’t see the keyboard if writing in low screen light. I take care of my stuff really good, so there is no way I’m going to drop it or the kids. But still think that you can do more on the surface than iPad. Hopefully apple can add the pen function with out opening a new box draw to write. But it’s getting there. Photoshop is not at it fullest function yet, that’s why I bought it but oh well. Paying $1,550.00 to have the iPad Pro with the keyboard and pen at the end of the day, I think it’s not worth it for just an iPad but what also can you buy when you have apple products.

I ‘ve got the smart keyboard for iPad Pro 2017 and a Khomo case with the pencil holder. I’m really happy with these. I enjoy your videos, never miss one. From Réunion Island (France)

I use a third party "protective" case and a USB Apple keyboard (the one without numeric keypad, which is exactly as wide as the 12.9" iPad Pro), which also allows me to attach a mouse in the rare cases when I need it (using the new feature in iPadOS)

I use apple folio on my 12.9 and keep the pencil on the side of the iPad in my backpack and has no problem of falling off the side it still on the side when I got it out of the backpack after traveling

I went with the Logitech keyboard for my iPad, I like the lighted keyboard and the extra protection over all

Since a case is an absolute must for the Ipad Pro I feel a complete redesign would be preferable. A design in the lie of Lenovo yoga perhaps. Even when I sit in the sofa or bed I almost always use the stand on my Zagg Slim Book Go.

I have the iPad Pro 2018 I’m currently using the Logitech slim pro keyboard

This is such a step down from Logitech's previous "Slim Combo" keyboard for the iPad Pro 1st & 2nd gen. Also very disappointed in the lack of smart connector support. Came here to evaluate keyboard options before upgrading my 2nd gen to the latest one. As much as I want USB-C, I might just stick with what I have until better options come along.

Hello Tom, Thanks for your quick reply ! It’s a good suggestion to use subtitles. So I did now. That works. (Unless written text is easier to find, if you want to compare items in the same video) Your are completely right Grams no Ounces ! Sorry, I missed it. Something with my ears or my age (72) ? Anyhow I rewatched the video and everything became clear. Thanks for now and hope to see your next video. med vänliga hälsningar, Paul from Sweden

Very good comparison video from real life. Thin and light is nice, but sometimes life is harder.

Use a type c expansion bay, then, you can attach any keyboard you like.

Unfortunately, these Khomo accessories don't seem to be available in my country. It is certainly much better than the Smart Keyboard. However, let's keep in mind that the iPad is a portable device. When I go outside I don't need an extra keyboard, and when I'm in the studio I haven't seen anything better than the Apple Magic Keyboard. It has too many advantages over all these pretty but weak toys Apple designed for iPad Pro 3rd Gen, and I can also use it comfortably on my lap.

i have a logi and it won’t connect to my ipad... i’m actually going to cry because school starts soon and it won’t work

Great video well explained thanks

After listening to your comments about PaperLike I have purchased a set for my iPad Pro 12.9". Thank you. It works really well with an apple pencil for illustration and note-taking. I am still looking for a good quality iPad case. I like the look of the Zugu. What do you think?

Hold a button to activate Siri. And I think there is a way for you to have the "computer" mode in 2 positions, but not sure how. I will await next folio for next ipad, since I need to draw a whole lot on it, as well as writing.

I have an iPad Pro 12.9 in. I forget what year I got it...a gift. Any idea which case I should get? I now have the one-sided one you showed. Thanks. Great information. I subscribed.

You should start your own brand of apple accessories. It will be better then what's their in the market.

I will go with the Apple keyboard because its much more slimmer and lighter the logitech is a little too bulky for my liking

Hi, doesn't Logitech charge faster because it's connected via bluetooth? How long does the Ipad charge run when Apple and Logitech are used?

Just get a Brydge Keyboard & you can use the iPad at any angle (without the need of a table).

The khomo case doesn't appear to provide more protection. Is khomo sponsoring this video?

Thanks for your video about iPad accessoires and so on. I like your calm voice and good pronunciation, easy to follow. May I give you some hints to make it more useful for strangers like me, Write down the names of products shortly. I still don't know the name of the products you are talking about, except Mac, Apple. etc. Please give also weights in metric. Difference 300 once ? No idea ! Thanks in advance, an European.

In November 2019 bought the 7th Gen ipad ; which backlit keyboard case suggestion you have? as in the 2018 Logitech?

I use the Logitech Slim Folio for my Ipad 6th Gen. It felt more secure for me and I can place my pencil securely.

It boggles the mind how apple couldn't even design a case like the one you've chosen.

Very thoughtful and in depth review thanks alot

If you use the Logitech slim folio it weighs as much as a MacBook Air and close to a 13" MacBook Pro. I say might as well get the MacBook 🤷‍♂️

Very clear analysis. thx.

Bought the Logitech folio keyboard and hate it. If you are only typing then it is ok, but if you want to use it only as a tablet as well, which I need when I am away from my desk, it slides around and is very awkward to hold. The flap for the pencil also doesn’t always hold it in place and can disengage the pencil from its dock. Really disappointed with the Logitech case. Haven’t tried the Apple Smart Keyboard yet so have no comment on it.

ZUGU CASE The Muse Case - 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 inch - Very Protective But Thin + Convenient Magnetic Stand + Sleep/Wake Cover this is all you need!

excellent review!, thanks, now I now which one to buy!

Great video, but I used the Logitech keyboards for some months now and I am not happy with it. Way too thick, too heavy and overall not a great experience. Also a big disadvantage is the bad cleaning capability. Because I use the iPad in school where desks are cleaned only a few times a year, it is important for me to clean the keyboard with water time to time (its layn down often on the desk), which is only possible with the apple original keyboard. However, I will sell the Logitech keyboard and order the apple keyboard, the shown disadvantages are not perfect, but not all of them even affect me, so let's have a try.

I’m on my fourth Logitech version, it keeps breaking. Don’t buy

Well done. I think we have something in common, that we work with more than one language. I use Italian, Norwegian, etc. It seems that the keyboards are no good for special characters, one simply has to go back to touch mode. Of course with a keyboard you cannot visualise the layout of another language. I wish someone would comment on that problem.

Hi thanks for you recommendations! I have a ipad pro 11 and is really fantastic gadget but the accessories are very expensive and always is good have a 2nd plan !! I’m from Venezuela but I’m see you from Chile.

You can change the angle by the way you fold the back. Without photos its hard to describe it. I just found this out! Haha I was sad about the angle too until I learned this.

this absolutely worked!!! been pulling my hair out over this! thank you!

Thanks a lot for this review. I was looking for a similar protective case and Logitech solution was my a favorite one. Also Khuma cover seems to be worthy for me 👍.

Great Video! Now, we need to talk about that music...

I keep hearing epi..pencil.

Ok, I am confused, I went to the link for that keyboard and case and it is different than the one you had in your video? It looked like it didn't have the flap like you had, it had a loop that didn't allow charging of the pencil. Do you have a link for the one that you had in the video? I currently use an IVSO case for my my 2018 12.9" iPad Pro that is similar to the one you had for your older iPad Pro. It has the slot in it for the Apple pencil so it can charge. With that IVSO case I use the smaller apple keyboard with Fintie case that also has a stand built into it, on the keyboard. It is very light and works great. I used the ZAGG slimbook case and keyboard (worked GREAT!!) on my 2017 iPad Pro 12.9", but when I got the new iPad Pro, it didn't fit anymore. Thanks! :)

I am so happy i found your video. Thank for great tips!!!!

I love my Khomo protection case with my Gen 1 iPad Pro 12.9. Wish Apple would give you a decent protection case to combine Khomo and the Smart Keyboard.

My Logitech keyboard for the iPad Pro 12.3 2018 just came in today. Although it is heavier, it is not too bad.

You don’t need a new device every year, I’m getting the 2017 iPad Pro. I am curious why you do.

How the hell was the 2nd digit entered on your 2nd gen passcode but the first digit was blank 0.0