I love how the most unrealistic part of this theory is Big E being a reasonable and good father

Also, the reason the Death Guard didn't play much of a part in the Dornian Heresy is because they got temporarily trapped in the web way and ended up engaging in a long term Siege against Commorragh and by the time they got out and when the last death guard Marine left out the front door, they had weakened the dark city to such an extent that, Slaanesh was able to break through the weakend walls of the Dark City. And when I say Slaanesh, i don't mean her Army of demonettes, I mean the god herself ripped through the walls and ate up the Dark City. So no more Dark Eldar.

I like part of the alternate lore for loyalist Worldeaters, that they remain melee-focused because they don't believe in indiscriminate killing; they face the enemy up close so they can properly see who they are.

Just wanna say, Death Guard being part of the inquisition makes perfect sense in this canon. Mortarion was always about witch hunting, which would make them really good and experienced at hunting down heretics.

The Blood Angels falling to Nurgle gives me an image of mosquitos. Blood-sucking parasites that are considered some of the deadliest creatures on earth due to the sheer amount of deadly diseases they spread. Also Mortarion's Daemon Primarch form kind of looks like a diseased Angel as well so the Nurgle aesthetic would kind of fit Sanguinius as well.

In the future, DK and Bricky should put another goal where they would delve into Roboutian Heresy. It's more streamlined and has an actual story beyond said heresy which is still ongoing even now.

If I remember correctly, Jhagatai Khan was eventually modified by Slannesh into a daemonic centaur, so that he could forever feel the wind on his face as he ran down his victims, and then puree'd them with his sword skills when he caught them.

I unironically think that the Ultrasmurfs, in some ways, are more interesting in this version. To start off, they secede from the Imperium not because they want to, but rather because Dorn was like "Hey, big E thinks you're gonna leave him and has declared you a traitor and is gonna kill you, let us help you survive" and Girlyman was like "Shit. Alright" and then unwittingly turned traitor. He didn't participate in anything more than Istvan 5 though cause Dorn knew that if Roboto got to Terra, he would immediately figure out Dorn's ruse and then his heresy would be over, so he had Gorillaman stay in Ultramar. Later on after the heresy Robutté finds out the truth and gets his signature UltraDepression™, calls out to Terra to try and set things right, travel to a 'neutral' location for a meeting with Terra, only for the meeting to be revealed as an ambush set up by the Alpha Legion and for him to get imprisoned by in a stasis field and placed in front of the thronebound Big E like a trophy. Ultramarines now are like proper good guys fighting against the Imperium, slowly liberating worlds, trying to get to Terra to free their Primarch.

The Dornian Heresy would be short lived in Adeptus Rediculous lore because of Dorne's inability to read

I like to think that blood angles fell to nurgle based on original vampire lore. Them being bloated dead corpses who appear at night to drain the blood of the living.

I'm surprised you didn't mention how much bigger Ultramar is in this universe. In this universe Ultima Segmentum has been officially renamed the Ultramar Segmentum because the Ultramarines have conquered so much territory they've basically have roughly 1/4 of the Galaxy. Also the Codex Astartes has been renamed in this universe to the Codex Ultramar since it covers both how the civilian government should be run and military tactics.

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky learns that God is Based from the loyal Iron Warriors while DK learns that the Imperial Fists are actually interesting if they joined chaos and Shy learns that the Alpha Legion just remain the same because they are just some sneaky little guys.

I think the roboution heresy and imperium ascendant are also really good Warhammer 40k fanfictions.

the Wolftime is an actual canon thing. When Leman Russ vanished into the warp he left some kind of prophecy about returning for the Wolftime at the end of time to defend the Allfather (Emperor)

I love it when Leman Russ said "It's wolfing time" and wolfed all over the place. The most codex of all time.

Shys intent with the poison was not to kill you, but to show you the majesty of chaos

blood is a great mean of travel for pathogens, so i get it that blood angels are Nurgle aligned. The dornian heresy changes Sanguinous backstory by having him be raised by the mutants of Baal and gets hit by a biological weapon and has to plead to Nurgle to stay alive

the funny thing with the council of nikea and the psyker ban was, that big E actually listened to his sons. He didn't want to ban the librarius initially.

As much as I love fan theories and alternate histories with 40k, all of the “Alternate Heresy” fan theories I’ve come across have a similar crippling flaw: there is no believable way to make Vulkan fall to Chaos without it coming off as incredibly contrived. I can believe Lorgar staying loyal if a few things were different. I can believe Leman Russ falling to Chaos if a few things were different. To make Vulkan fall to Chaos, you have to change who Vulkan is to such an extent that we’re no longer dealing with the same character.

“Wolf-time” is absolutely a reference to Ragnarök in Norse mythology. In the Voluspá, the original Norse poems from which we get our modern understanding of the mythology, Ragnarök is described within stanza 45: Brothers shall fight | and fell each other, And sisters' sons | shall kinship stain; Hard is it on earth, | with mighty whoredom; Axe-time, sword-time, | shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, | ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men | each other spare

I love the part where Sanguinius charges Perturabo and goes “it’s morbin time”.

The structure of this episode was like the loyalty of the Alpha Legion

>"Erebus is dead!" *uproarious applause that can be heard from the Fringe Worlds to Terra*

"What if the Emperor was a better dad?" "What if Ferrus Manus got Necrodermis on his brain?"

"Father, I believe I am in a parallel universe where my block brain is the cause of the heresy."

Ah yes, The Dorn Disagreement, a wonderful piece of history

Minor gripe - It's not a "fan theory," it's an alternative universe. Fan theory is more like, "Oh what if this happened in this current instance of the media?" While something like the Dornian Heresy is a full on "What if we changed EVERYTHING" type situation.

Wait so did Adrick just get its first official Warhammer sponsor?!? Congrats guys!

from what I remember in the Dornian heresy Erebus was actually loyal and helped Horus overcome his corruption, the art that bricky described was the art of the loyalist primarch from the Lionel heresy where Erebus was traitor but Lorgar beat him to a brim and attached him to his maul

"The Board is Set" by Gav Thorpe. The Emporer and Malcador play a game of regicide moments before the beginning of the Solar War. The Emporer explains to Malcador that the war with Horus is a game of chess between himself and the Ruinous Powers. The primarchs are the peices. The Emporer implies that he created the primarchs exactly the way they are and treated them exactly the way he needed to in order to set the board exactly the way it is.

As a huge fan of the ‘Evil heroes’ Universe idea, such as Transformers Shattered Glass, this stuff is right up my alley.

F for everyone's favorite chapter who didn't get a episode before a fanfic

Most plausible situation is that the 'Nids show up early, and in full force, so: -Lorgar's heresy isn't found, because he accidentally draws the 'Nids in, and they eat his whole cult. Lorgar seeks vengeance. -Horus is diverted to fight the hive fleets, and leads the effort. -Russ falls to Khorne while defending Fenris, as the priests are overrun before he can save them. -REDACTED -Ferrus Manus sides with half the Mechanicus, who claim the Emperor will continue drawing in 'Nids as long as he's alive. -Fulgrim gets turned off on biological perfection when he realizes it would make him like the 'Nids. -Vulcan is corrupted by a Hive Fleet mental attack, and loses his sanity. -Dorn is killed buying time for the Imperium. -Guilliman blames himself and the Emperor for Dorn's death, and declares a new Imperium that will use any means to win. -Magnus loses most of his Legion to the Shadow in the Warp, thus also losing his incentive to deal with Chaos. -Sanguinius is unnerved by the failure of his visions, and is tricked into believing that Chaos can be a force that protects humanity, replacing Horus as the heresy leader. -Lion El'Jonson resorts to using dangerous ancient weaponry to win his battles, and when questioned, joins Sanguinius. -Perturabo proves highly adept at fighting against the 'Nids, feeding his ego enough for him to remain loyal. Plus, Dorn be dead. -Mortarion comes to hate everything about the 'Nids, and is too focused on them to fight others. -Jaghatai Khan comes to resent the Emperor's defensive strategy, and joins Sanguinius. -Curze realizes his visions were wrong, and with Nostramo devoured, devouts himself to trying to keep the enemies of the Imperium paralyzed with fear while the fighting continues elsewhere. -Angron is killed in battle, the time he bought barely saving the Alpha Legion. -REDACTED -Alpharius proves to be the only one who can reliably find, and destroy, Genestealer cults, which he chooses to focus on above all else. -Corax probably wouldn't have been found before all this happened, so I can't help but imagine that he would hide and wait to see who to join. Something like that, anyway.

I think the reason they made Sanguineous nurgle is because vampires. So they became like, undead type vampires.

and it als started with the emps and rogal arguing if its taco tuesday or taco friday

I loved it when Leman Russ said "it's wolfin time" and then he wolfed all over the place

We need a fanfic where the only difference is that Big E is a good dad.

Evil Dorn be like: "I can read."

it really seems to me like alpharius should have been the one to do all the stuff curze did during the siege of terra. him whisking away the emperor would make perfect sense considering his past living in the palace, and his part in the founding of the blood games. him boarding the phalanx and dying to dorn wouldve also been a nice mirror to canon alpharius' death at dorns hands on pluto. extremely strange decision to not go that route. the dornian heresy is cool but has a lot of missed opportunities imo

Robutian Heresy should be the next goal for maybe 20k Patreon goals

Evil dorn be like: writes Literature with lots of figurative speech (very evil)

The Blood Angels going Nurgle does make a lot more sense when you think of them less like vampires, and more like mosquitoes

45:30 I believe in the Prose Edda and Poetic Edda (The primary sources for Norse mythology), there are two preceding events to Ragnarok itself, fimbulvinter and an age of war on Earth that is described as "An axe age, a sword age, a wind age, and a wolf age." I presume the wolf time is a reference to this

"The Alpha legion are just identical, they're just... loyal now..." Give it a week. They're always heretical on tuesday, thursday and friday, and loyal during the rest of the week. It's a thursday today, so they're loyal now in dornian canon. :)

Time to make them talk about the Roboution Heresy next

This is really good fan creation thing. The only thing I'd change is make it so that Angron still has the butcher's nails but Big E lets him know that the nails are killing him instead of keeping it a secret so that Angron would be more adamant with telling his Legion not to put them in their heads and instead create the aggression chips. That way, Angron still has the tragedy of dealing with the Nails and still dies the way he wants to but his legion remain honorable gladiatorial fighters.

The Dornian Heresy has a special place for being one of the OG alt-heresy timelines, so much more of the Roboutian Heresy I enjoy. That said, my all time favorite alt-Heresy was something called the Renegade Saga. Premise was 'All Primarchs are the same, no changes to their backstories.. but the Emperor is the one joins chaos.' So who and what is considered traitor or loyalist goes up in the air.

If you ever get the chance, Check out the Roboutian Heresy! I prefer it over the DH and it's more NobleBright than actual 40k. It's even in its End Times right now

in Warhammer Fantasy Khorne is associated with the wolf and is sometimes called "the wolf-father" or "Bloodwolf", so the space wolves falling to Khorne is fitting in that aspect

Me who's still loyal to the emperor:" I am no son of Dorn I am your enemy".

In the future it'd be fantastic to have links to the copyrighted art in the show notes. That way we can give those artists the views they deserve while you're talking about the epic art :D

So I think the only complains I have after hearing the Dorian Heresy. If the Blood Angels were going to be a chaos legion dedicated to Nurgle they could have made them act more like zombies than vampires. The Alpha Legion should have made the core of the Inquisition. That was a massive potential that they dropped the ball on. The Sisters of Battles being killed is very disappointing. What they could have done is made them turn to chaos with five main orders. One dedicated to chaos undivided and the remaining dedicated to an individual chaos god.

Two questions: one, is Vulkan still a Perpetual in this universe (that could be a nuisance); and two, would the Night Lords really warm to the Reivers if the Primaris still happens?

Tonite on Ridiculous gear: Bricky gets a Buzzcut and builds a low-income apartment complex, DK needs a hand, and Shy gets a unknown disease after inhaling an insane amount of copium due to her failed assassination attempt on our Lil' guys

The Blood Angels being the Nurgle faction makes sense from the "Vampirism is a disease" stand point. The Elder Scrolls has Porphyric Hemophilia, a disease that you can contract from a vampire and it turns you into a vampire.

I like to think that in original lore Big E had vision of Dornian heresy. Like when Horus had vision of the future when he was stabbed. That can be the reason for some of his actions in original lore. He was more focused on traitors from Dornian heresy expecting that loyal ones will stay loyal.

It should be noted that Ragnarok is referred to as the Wolf Time in Norse mythology because fenris is one of the major antagonist characters in Ragnarok and well fenris is a giant wolf

Do the Roboutian heresy for the next goal, it is quite interesting.

I really like how the most surprising thing is that Rogal Dorn was corrupt enough to lie.

The iron hands became NECRON SPACE MARINE HYBRIDS!!!!

Obligatory 'the roboutian heresy is good too and has a plot that's getting updated ' comment in the hope the crew does an episode on the AU one day

The Dornian Heresy, Robutian Heresy, The Triumvirate. Only community with the concentrated autism to create so many fleshed out spinoff-verses, that I know of, was Dragon Ball. I mean the amount of fanart that's on the same level of official artwork is insane. You could make entire codices for the Dornian loyalists and traitors with the work out there!

I love in the Dornian Heresy whan Space Wolves are like "It's wolf time" and then wolfed all over their enemy

37:04 Damn, Bricky! You down _bad_ for them crazy space-nuns, huh? 38:59 Not really; Mortarian absolutely _hates_ psykers, so it makes sense that he'd become the head witch-hunter in this alternate timeline.

Poor Fulgrim. He's my favorite. Hope we got more loyalist clone lore

Poor fulgrim ;-; he really doesnt get fair treatment neither in canon nor fanfic

Even in the alternate universe, Grillman still can't resist the urge to count bean. lmao.

Adeptus ridiculous is the only audio podcast where they talk about how cool pictures are

"Ultramarines are mainly fighting Tau" Sounds like a blue-on-blue situation

Wolftime possibly refers to the norse myth of the "Wolfszeit", one of the stages towards Ragnarök when brother turns against brother, son against father and whole kingdoms on themselfes. Seems the most fitting since Space Wolves already have that vikingish vibe to them

Wolf-time is, I believe, an actual name for the stat of Ragnarok, since Ragnarok is heralded by two wolves in the sky - One chasing the sun and catching it, and one catching the moon - This releases Fenrir, their father.

I found it funny that in this story when Roboute leaves the imperium, He takes half of it with him. Just because those people like him more.

PLEASE do an episode on Ferrus Manus. He's my favorite primarch solely because he and the Emperor had a massive anime battle that almost destroyed Ferrus's home planet. He's a douchebag and I love him.

I have a few questions: 1. What happened to Malcadore , if the astronomicon was working and Magnus didn’t f. it up. 2. What about the Teranids? If the Faros light did not lure them in to our galaxy?

Dornian heresy iron hands are quite the trip, trying to abandon their flesh by using the empty husks of the long-dead necrons...

THE SHY HERESY BEGINS!!!

A really good hypothetical What If fan story is “The Shape of the Nightmare to come” and “Age of Dust”. Shape of the Nightmare is literally maximum grim dark with everything that could go wrong going wrong. Big E dies leading to a massive ripple effect across the Galaxy. Terra turns into a demon world, the solar system say for Mars and Titan turn into the last bastions of non chaos taint. Though Mars is converted into a massive necron type world thanks to the Void Dragon waking up, Titan is basically the last hold out for the imperium in Sol with The Grey Knights, Custodes and Inquisition being there. Orcs and Tyranids ended up fusing together creating a literal devourer of worlds. The Blood Angels fell to ruin, The Imperial Fists were the last on Terra fighting off the demons pouring out the warp rift with countless sons of Dorn being given a direct order from the chapter master to “dig in” and “close the fist until further orders are given”, The Black Templars turned into a force of just pure evil. It’s honestly a lot and it’s both grim dark but a good read.

The Dornian Heresy Tis one of the best examples of fanfiction I’ve seen, because it’s not written as a fanfic but as a spin-off, meaning that there’s a lotta room for improvement, unlike a finished story on Ao3 or Fanfic Net. As I see it, a couple things could’ve been done a little better. Angron should’ve kept the nails yet, without needing to kill his adoptive father, found a way to retain his nature as a healer while also being a berserker-using his abilities of healing to essentially equalize his pain, even if he can’t undo the agony, in a meditative state. Sanguinius being tricked into Nurgle’s sway, while enjoyable, feels a little like a cop out? Every Primarch is a master of most everything, with each one specializing in something or other, meaning Sanguinius could’ve been experimenting with his own gene-seed to try and undo the flaws within (like the 21st Founding wanted to), and as he kept failing and failing and failing…he fell into despair, only to hear Nurgle’s sweet whispers. “You’re not wrong, my boy. You are beautiful! You are strong! Don’t hide your differences from the others…show them with pride. Smile, you’re never fully dressed without one.” And as he kept hearing these whispers, he’d begin to taint his gene-seed with alterations, on purpose. Corvus being forced to follow Tzeentch, makes total sense. I accept this entirely, yet Vulkan being nihilistic in the way he is…feels wrong. My mentality would be Vulkan’s chipper demeanor and pyromania push people away, leaving him alone and miserable, hence why he swears fealty to Big E without complaint. Still, he finds nobody wants to be his friend, despite everything he does to be likable. He’s not disfigured, just big and built different, so he becomes disillusioned with the Imperium. “I joined this great armada and find brothers among the stars, only to be shunned, ridiculed, by those who would fight by my side…I only sought companions. I only sought sons. Now, I shall have sons, but upon the Anvil of War will they be forged.” Guilliman leaving, however, should’ve been fueled by Lorgar’s acts against Erebus and how unacceptably brutal they were. Roboute’s a fair and pragmatic man who doesn’t do things maliciously, so to see how awfully a traitor Twas handled by his brother…would certainly send him to separate from the Imperium, return to Ultramar where such barbarism Tis unheard of. Ferrus being corrupted by the C’Tan and the Necrons Tis so good. It works so well!! Luther winning works as well, yet I *really* prefer the idea of the Lion actually being a passive practitioner of Chaos worship and him remaining loyal nonetheless. Like, imagine if Lion was loyal to the Emperor yet, having survived on Caliban for so long and known only Chaos corruption, he worshipped the gods without being evil about it! Chaos isn’t wholly evil, as hath been discussed before, so to see a Primarch with Chaos in him yet a healthy balance of it…sounds really cool, and it would work nicely for who the Lion is: incorruptible! He’s not corrupted, he’s simply balanced, but unfortunately blind to the sickness in Luther’s mind and thus dies at Luther’s hand, far out of Imperial space thanks to the Black Templars shoving out any trace of Chaos from the Imperium…unaware that they sentenced a loyal Primarch to death and ensured that the formerly loyal Dark Angels would fall to Chaos’s wickeder side. A lack of Sororitas makes no sense to me since Lorgar has entire planets dedicated to worshipping the Emperor, and every soldier would be a devout worshipper as well, so having the Word Bearers select people to either become Sororitas or future Astartes…would make the most sense. Hell, maybe they’d find plausible candidates for Custodianship!

Nice to see that Shy is spreading the gifts of papa Nurgle.

to be clear, the wolf time is a term not exclusive to the Dornian heresy. It is also a thing in canon 40k. Hell, Logan Grimnar wants the wolftime to happen, desperately, because he really wants Russ to return. Because apparently Russ told them he'd be back when that happened before he fucked off.

Hopefully you guys make a video on Warhammer 50k ("the shape of the nightmare to come" one) would be nice to see you guys talk about it.

In this world there is no chaos portal problem on terra and thus the emperor doesn’t need to focus all his mind on the golden throne. Even if the golden throne needed to be maintained magnus could do it without issue. Wouldn’t this mean the emperor could be revived with relative ease? Tell me if I’m wrong

There's also the Roboute Heresy which was just as interesting with some more believable ways they became what they were. Like Vulkan finding out early he was immortal and it made it go to his head, Slaneesh corrupted Blood Angels into getting high off of blood and Ferrus falling into Nurgle and always gets horrified whenever he sees his hand reminding him of how he used to be. As for loyalist theres Conrad who ended up being adopted by a woman who instilled a strong sense of morality, Mortarian got to kill his adopted father on his terms, Lorgar was raised by a persecuted family and grew up to be an affirmed atheist like the Emperor after witnessing atrocities in the name of religion, Magnus being allowed to follow his passion but with discipline and restrained in turn that allowed him to save Horus and Fulgrim from demon corruption.

The best thing that comes out of these AU's is the artwork, hands down amazing

Without even seeing it I know the primarch art with Erebus on a flaming stick is for a different alternate heresy and not the Dornian one. Definitely cool as shit tho

Sigismund is so much more threatening in Abaddon's role than Abaddon is.

That sponsorship bit sounded like Bricky was in the walls for once

"Loyalty is it's own reward" Lion El Johnson to Kairos Fateweaver. First time ive heard about the Dornian Heresy, I like how they kept the Lion loyal and some of his Dark Angels. I cant wait until you all do that episode! Keep up the great work! Hey maybe DK will like the Lion just based on the fact the Lemun Russ and Guilliman rivalries lol

There is also the imperium ascendant, all fan made primarch projects and the other alternative heresies worth mentioning one of my suggestions is the roboutian heresy.

In all honesty, i prefere the Idea of robot girlyman being the archtraitor, he's the defalt good boy, the literal most popular chapters primarch, for better or for worse, and even though i love dorn because of tts i enjoy Guilherme

I've watched multiple vids talking about this Heresy and it seems almost universal that when the Blood Angels are revealed to be Nurgle, everyone is like "....Nurgle???" lol

So with the Space Wolves with their "Wolf Time" Battle cry, it's derived from a old norse saga prophecying Ragnarock. The full quote is aproximately "An axe time, a sword time, shields will be splintered. A Wind time, a wolf time, the world has fallen"

Can’t believe they didn’t mention the fact that the Alpha Legion faked their own destruction until Alpharius just showed up again

​You know Ill be honest I thought Sanguinius would be the one to fall as a polar opposite to Horus. Also I dont like how Nurgle is the Blood angels main chaos I would have thought Khorn would be the 1

There is another version of this heresy with some sick ass Art where Perty lived and became a Primarch Dreadnought

Hope this can open the door to hearing the legions and what they were like in the Dornian Heresy and even a look at the Robutian Heresy too

If I had the time and money this would be a super fun conversion Project. One thing I think would be fun using Gundam/Tau bits would be an Emperor of Ultramar Guilliman in his own personal mech suit with an energy sword. Kind of like a mirror of his current 40k self. I would include two shackled/enslaved Tau carrying Ultramarine banners at his feet. And can you imagine White Scar noise marines? On bikes made for peak exhaust noise like douchbags riding through a residential area at 2am.

I was definitely looking forward to this one.

Sigismund would have been such a beast as the Warmaster of Chaos.

DK and Bricky having their Horus turning to Chaos moment.