"vegetarians have a higher socio-economic status"?!?!?? You S.O.B.!!! I'm trying my best to get out of this but I've been living pay check to pay check being a 31 year old in Florida, and I've been 7 years vegan eating the cheapest diet available (WFPB or beans, rice, oil free peanut butter and 'from frozen' berry sandwiches)

I tell you a story how Attia became the reason why I (finnaly) got my critical thinking on and escaped low carb / keto bubble after 5 years (well, with LDL of 140, insulin resistance and some other usual outcomes of such diet). I was following him in the early years of his popularity, where he was semi-decent, pro-fasting. But with the years he was becoming more extreeme, stated to drop such statements that it's ok to take statins in order to be able to eat animal protein. Or that we need to max out animal protein, so he is himself snackin on deer jerkeys throughout the day (and btw, he is investor in deer jerkey company). And the last drop for me was when he said that is person is eating plant based for the health reasons, we need to re-educate such person back to animal products. So I though such un-intelligent person cannot be reliable and started to learn more about WFPB. And here I am after 6 months, 22 kg lighter, body fat from 22% to 12%, BMI 19, feel better than even and - even if I was afraid - no loss in muscle, strnght or endurance.

Attia has said that he despises discussing nutrition. Not the guy you want to listen to for nutrition advice. In addition he eats 10 deer jerky sticks per day. Attia is way, way off on a number of things....

I think we can all agree that 99% of us watching this would love to hear Mic play that bad ass electric cello hanging on the wall. Great video once again Mic

Peter Attia has an Olympic gold medal in Semantic Gymnastics.

These lay individuals (like MD. Peter Attia) that are so narcissistic that they are sure their self-perceived superior intellect can debunk the work of countless actual experts really are contemptible.

'on average, those vegetarians...have a much higher socio-econimic status' LOL- not this one!

Peter Attia, a "longevity expert" who doesn't like to talk about one of the leading contributors to longevity, diet. It is because he doesn't have a leg to stand on, he hates talking about it because he doesn't have a good response to the overwhelming data on pro vegetarian diets and health. The fact that he is happy to use far weaker epidemiology to support his positions on exercise just cements the hypocrisy. He used to recommend a keto diet for longevity before back-peddling so it is safe to say his understanding of nutrition is shaky at best.

From Wikipedia: From 2001 to 2006, Attia began a residency in general surgery at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, but never completed his residency, nor completed a fellowship or became board certified. During this time, he also undertook research at the NIH in Bethesda, Maryland, focusing on cancer immunotherapy for melanoma. After dropping out of his residency program, Attia joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in the Palo Alto office as a member of the Corporate Risk Practice and Healthcare Practice. In 2014 he founded a private clinic dedicated to longevity medicine. An interesting resume but not exactly confidence inspiring. It looks to me like he jumped from medical school straight to lifestyle guru. Yes, I know ad hominems do not disprove Attia's statements, but Mike can do that much better than I can.

Attia is really inconsistent. He claims that high V02max reduces all-cause mortality, so you should raise your V02max. More beneficial than quitting smoking. All based on observational studies. But then he dismisses observational studies showing the association between red meat and saturated fat and cardiovascular disease. Note that he flogs lots of products, including red meat jerky.

The first thing my trainer said to me is that a great body is 80-90% diet and that you can’t exercise your way out of a bad diet. Deer meat of some species is incredibly high in iron. If you have hemochromatosis-and you may not know - you could do yourself serious damage.

Peter just pushes the typical high animal protein, low carb and take steroids /bodybuilder lifestyle narrative, He also takes 2 cholesterol lowering medications

Attia has been promoting nutty ideas, including cholesterol denialism, for many years. He has made a lot of money from doing so.

would you trust a person who starts a bold statement with "I think..."?

Dr Gardner felt Dr Attia couldn't (and didn't) reach out to discuss his study.

If he disdains the evidence from nutritional science, how does he come to any conclusion about anything? Seems inconsistent.

I saw video of Attia doing a TED talk several years ago. Five minutes into his talk, I still didn't know what the frig he was going on about. Word salad, blah, blah, blah. I hate that. I don't have time for this quack.

Why didn't you mention the Adventist health study when he said vegetarians have a healthier lifestyle? The Adventists do all have a healthy lifestyle, yet the vegan Adventists had better health outcomes than the omnivores.

He says a lot of words, but doesn't convey much information. Reminds me of when I had to write English papers on topics I didn't know a thing about. Just lots of BS wrapped up in well spoken prose.

$900/month on jerky alone!? That's more than I spend on my purple carrot for 2!

Big up Dr. Nagra! His debates are top notch. Thanks for sharing his work.

Attia does not do overhead presses, because he worries about spinal disc compression. However, Attia does trap-bar deadlifts which also cause spinal disc compression and he uses much more weight doing them. He does not make sense.

Dr. Attia also believes that excess protein is peed out and does not turn into sugar and fat. In addition he used to eat a Keto diet and believed that was a healthy way to eat. (Fortunately, he no longer does that)

My husband was talking about retiring and spending more time with me. We have been married for over 30 years. Now I am a widow at 55 years old. My husband was 57 years old when he passed away. Timothy Richardson Boyd 11-24-66 born, 5-8-24 passed away. I loved him so much. Now we will never be able to grow old together. I am absolutely convinced that his death is diet related. He was consuming red meat, pork, chicken, etc. on a regular basis and I couldn't stop it.

I stopped watching Attia. He is all about telling people what they want to hear to make money.

I first heard about this guy on that Chris Hemsworth Disney+ show and he immediately came off as a grifting weirdo.

Oh. So if he's a partial owner of a meat company, then he's conflicted. He shouldn't be asked about these kinds of questions. Of course he's gonna say it's cool.

Until someone debunks the China Study I think I will regard anything else as nonsense and just keep my cancer cells off by not giving them any animal protein.

Attia is just another YT influencer who does not know how to even look at nutritional science papers and read with understanding. Thank heavens for Dr Greger and the hundreds of academics that help him find and link all the solid human chemistry, biology and nutrition research that IS going on quietly around the world.

The more of your videos I watch, Mic, the more I'm glad to be a longtime committed vegan. Excellent work!

Excellent, enjoy this pete debunk video

As though smoking doesn’t play a role in people dying from diseases other than lung cancer…….

come on guys, Peter is slowly processing the data. He still needs help. Be kind.

Am I the only person utterly tired of and bored with Peter Attia? Meanwhile, I'm loving what looks like a beautiful skeletal cello on the wall behind you Mic. Nice wall and nice mic Mic 😄😋

Thanks. This is the debunk I've been waiting for. Good job.

As T. Colin Campbell notes, the vast majority of doctors are like Attia...they don't know or seem to care to know much about diet and nutrition, even though diet and nutrition are the beginning and core of good health. I think Attia's a smart guy and a thinker though...So, maybe he'll come around and realize the importance of the holistic approach, not just exercise.

Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and cancer more than anything else we eat! Carbs FTW!! 💪💪💪

Awesome video mike! Many of my clients ask what I think about Peter's nutritional recommendations. Basically, I wouldn't follow anyone's advice who promotes meat as a health food, claims it doesn't cause any negative health effects, and then turns around and says nutrition is not that important (LOL). I do, however, follow lots of his exercise recommendations with zone 2, etc. Some of his best advice was the Morpheus HRM. Love that thing.

Go get em Mic

Dr A is a diehard carnivore (I don't apologize for my puns) who thrives on his populist diatribes to increase his clickbait and book sales.

Mike, please discuss how much plant-based protein to eat for muscle growth while staying safe. Also I think I saw a studywhich says that potatoes improve legume protein absorption. Maybe you could advise on that? Looking forward to that video...

So can I add the 10 years increased life expectancy from the healthier diet to the 6.9 years from the exercise and get 17 years more life expectancy?

Attia activates my Grifter alarm!

Thanks for putting this together, it should be added as a bonus video for those who purchase his book. Great work!🎙️🌱

Good video. I appreciate all the work you put into these. ❤

I’ve noticed he looks at a research study, and then comes to his own conclusions. Not what I would want from my doctor.

Thank you for the video!

Great vid!

Red meat definitely causes an animal holocaust currently!

Great breakdown, well done Mic!

Great video!

Also, if you're thinking about topics, I've been wondering how plant-based meats are, since they're highly processed. I eat them almost daily (veggie dogs) and I wonder if I should cut them out.

Oh wow! I love the electric cello in the background! Interested in the animals, health, AND music? Mic is awesome:)

Great job, Mike!

Looking forward to that muscle and aging video!

Thx very good critique! I appreciate the work you put into this.

Man loving getting instant notifications again !

I personally don't eat red meat, but in moderation, I don't it's going to harm your health especially if you are eating a mostly plant based diet with lots of veggies and legumes.

Thanks 🙏

I'm a Peter Attia enthousiast. Glad I saw this video, learned a lot. I wonder if the charring of red meat is a big part of the negative effect. Is there any research on that?

BC white meat is not used to make jerky, or peperoni, or some other highly processed meat based food, just does not taste that good/does not sell, so argument based on is form of survivor bias! Peter A. is right in this case...

Glad you are covering this guy. He is dismissing nutrition science outright. He’s obsessed with bulking muscles as many KZfaq influencers do. Attia needs to read the China Study.

Mic- You might consider a brief video about the basic types of studies and the hierarchy of the scientific significance of each Great video!

If people doubt epidemiology when it comes to studies probably know nothing about how carefully it is designed these days to mitigate confounding factors. There's a great discussion about this on the Plant Chompers channel.

Go vegan for your health, whole food plant based. Go vegan for the animals. Go vegan for the planet. Go vegan and be healthier and happier. A lower risk of heart disease and cancer for you and a better planet for everyone, human and animals. Eating healthy is not a diet it is a healthy life style.

Mic with the bicep pose💪😎🥦

You're a genius Mic!

Ok, KZfaq needs to get better at what commercials it puts with what program, I guess the AI just saw the word meat and decided it was good to advertise for a meat company to me which I think is truly humorous! 🤣 I've been vegan for a year and grateful for the change.

Carnivore made me so sick. Three weeks non stop diarrhea. Thankfully stopped. Vegan life changing. 💜🙏

Your thumbnail lol

"Fill out this form or swordplay" - a comment beneficial to my microbiome.

Absolute vs. relative risk is probably not sufficiently appreciated by many. A risky treatment might need to be evaluated with an appreciation of absolute risk of what is being treated, but relative risk may be more important for apparently safe dietary options like vegan foods. That is, if you have a risky treatment, perhaps an mRNA therapy, for an illness which has a low absolute risk of death, then you might do better to consider the absolute risk of that illness when you are calculating you risk-benefit. But, if you're considering kale therapy, consideration of relative risk reduction may be sufficient without needing to evaluate the absolute risk of getting a potential illness, since kale therapy itself carries no known risk. With a truly safe therapy, you have nothing to lose, so relative risk reduction should be sufficient, even if the relative statistical benefit is small.

Layne has published a video in his channel about red meat and cancer. He said people who eat more red meat usually eat less fiber, so that is a confusing variable. But, he cited a studie wich compares high red meat and high fiber vs low red meat and high fiber. It hasn't found diference in cancer incidence. But at the same studie, comparing high processed meat and high fiber vs low processed meat and high fiber, it found more cancer incidence in high processed meat group. These results mean,apparently that red meat doesn't cause cancer, it's more linked to fiber intake. Can you or somebody here answer it ? You kind of said in 3:44 it is similar saying fiber is compensating the negative effects of red meat. Could you prove that ? That red meat has the negative effects in cancer and not the less fiber diet ? How could you prove it ?

He probably doesn’t eat any meat, but he definitely wants people to buy his jerky! Lol

bought Outlive as an airport read and I was just cringing

Plant Chompers recently discussed Attia's new book: *Peter Attia's Longevity Book Outlive: The BEST or WORST longevity book?* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jL2VmpadmLimeYE.html

1.3 to 1.7 ia a 30% _relative_ risk increase.

Hmmm, an 18-year delay for cancer from red meat. Doesn't that mean that colorectal cancer should have always been a disease of the early 20's, yet screening doesn't start until 45?

26:23 😳Oh, wow. Looking strong there! 💪💪💪

Attia has been trying to thread the needle for years on how to prove eating meat is healthy. He hasn't succeeded but he keeps trying. Thanks Mic.

Once again, well done on the video. Thanks, for the good work. It is interesting that those who actually do research in the area of longevity consider that high intakes of animal protein (and even very high intakes of plant protein) promote aging and cancer (likely via increased levels of IGF-1 (V. Longo). His argument that you need 180 grams of protein to maintain muscle mass is inconsistent with the research on maintaining muscle mass in older adults. The data are inconsistent, with some studies showing that protein intakes above the RDA are associated with improved outcomes and others showing no benefit from the extra protein. The study of protein needs is nuanced and difficult to do. However, plant-based diets appear to be advantageous when it comes to preventing sarcopenia. A 2022 review study observed that consuming plant-based protein was associated with a lower risk of sarcopenia than consuming a Western, meat-heavy diet. They noted that older adults on a high-fat/high-energy diet are at a greater risk of sarcopenia even when protein intakes exceed the RDA (Coelho-Junior et. al. 2022). Moreover, a recent 2022 paper from the Nurses’ Health Study, which followed 85,871 nurses over 22 years, found that animal protein intake was associated with a higher risk of frailty and higher plant protein intake with a lower risk of frailty after adjustment for other lifestyle factors. Animal protein intake was also significantly associated with an increased risk of having five or more illnesses (Struijk, EA et. al.). The fact that he is unaware of this research and the nuances suggests he hasn't done his homework. And to continue my rant.... He is also a big advocate for having a high VO2max as that is associated with improved outcomes (notice associated, not causal). Yet these studies are also rife with problems of confounding variables. Those with a high VO2max tend to not be overweight (as it is a weight-based measure), they likely don't smoke, they exercise, they probably don't have diabetes, and there is a genetic component to having a high VO2max. And, do those who exercise enjoy a higher socioeconomic status? (they probably aren't working two jobs). Yet, this is what he touts as being the best measure of longevity. I think he is a smart guy and says some good things, but if you are going to throw out (or put in the garbage, his words) epidemiological studies of nutrition, then throw out most of the studies on exercise and smoking.

Because my husband collapsed in such a way in a public place, he had to be taken immediately to Hill Country Forensics for an autopsy. I haven't seen him in 6 days. They do not allow me to see him until he is transferred to our funeral home. I have to bring his clothes to him this morning. Even though we will not receive an official report for 8 WEEKS, I have a pretty good idea this is going to show evidence that his arteries were clogged with animal fat and fatty liver. I am absolutely infuriated at the fast food industry and the evil processed foods that have caused an epidemic of fast food addictions.

Was really going to give this video a shot…and then you stated the WHO as a health authority. Good god.

1.3% increase to 1.7% is 40% increase in relative risk, which is not insignificant but could well be within the absolute risk margin of error. Not a big enough difference to matter. For exercise, you chose a review that doesn’t specify which adaptations from exercise are more life prolonging, which are strength and a high Vo2max. When those are looked at directly, the life prolonging effect are more pronounced.

Over a decade ago, Attia used to be a big proponent of the keto diet, he and Gary Tabue and all the keto stars at the time. Well he quite keto after a few years, but the guy is still pushing meat but at least now acknowledges the benefits of vegetable. This guy is a doctor??

Hi Mic Vegan, can you give us your opinion if Chadwick Boseman started on a vegan diet ever since he was a little kid and never stop being on a vegan diet, would he still be alive today? Please answer, despite it the pressure of fan backlash or unpopularity.

I'm trying to find the KZfaq channel with the British vegan with the very sharp, very dry wit. He mainly critiqued KZfaq videos. He has a rap song as the intro, and the lyrics are something like "don't take it personal." After setting up a video clip, he'd say "Roll tape." He was in graduate school for nutrition and offered a gut health kit. I cannot remember his name at all!

Mic would like us to know he does not play the guitar but likes to use them as backdrops for his streams.

Attia literally reading his scripted talking points lol

21:50: For those who don't do well on a vegan diet: Cool, eggs also decrease mortality, unless consumed in excess.

Healthy user bias is a serious issue that shouldn't just be dismissed automatically. As a scientist, it's blatantly obvious that "controlling" for those variables after the fact is a very weak control (both statistically and in terms of biological relevance) and you can only control so many things. These variables also aren't linear. Healthy user bias is impossible to avoid, and even with strong correlations it's difficult to have strong confidence in causality from even the best designed epidemiological studies and meta analyses. That being said, it's all we have when it comes to nutrition research since properly designed RCTs are extremely impractical, and one has to make a choice based on the available data, flawed as it is. In the case of red meat, the rest of the data (including mechanistic data, while useless on its own) does increase confidence in the epidemiological data.

Exercise is foundational to mental and physical health.

A doctor that gives people comfort in their bad decisions is a coward. Yes, I started exercising more when I being vegan but that was because my arteries were clear and my breathing (lungs, sinuses) cleared up. No one wants to exercise when they are overweight and sluggish.

I know I’m a healthy user, and I am biased towards scientific evidence! Whoopie!

Mark me once fooled by Attia - even bought his last d*mn book 😡. No more .

OH DEAR PETER ATTIA SOLD OUT HIS REPUTATION FOR AFFILIATED DRIED VENISON STICK PROMOTION. WHAT A SHAME MONEY IS KING OVER THE WELLBEING OF HIS PATIENTS AND ONLINE FOLLOWERS. THANKS MIC FOR REVEALING ATTIAS COMMERCIALLY RELATED DECEPTION. WE MUST ALL CALL HIM OUT AND TEACH HIM TO HAVE MORE RESPECT.

Well its like Dr Greger says ,' people love hearing good things about their bad habits'

ask him about soil...

Basically 60% of the time Atila speaks nonsense, all the time

Attila the venison stick doctor HAS to defend processed meat since he has a massive financial stake in it