How to Study Masters - Draftsmen S2E17

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3 жыл бұрын

In this episode, Stan and Marshall discuss studying from masters. You’ll learn the difference between a master study and a copy, how beginners should approach studying masters, the artists that Stan and Marshall have done studies from and lessons they learned from them, a breakdown of the creative process, and how to figure out which artists are worth studying. Want to learn more? Court Jones from the Caricature course produced a couple lessons on master studies that are worth checking out. You can find them in the show notes below.
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Show Links (some contain affiliate links):
Stan’s Master Studies - proko.com/draftsmen-media/sta...
Stan’s “Brothers” Painting - www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/20...
Marshall’s Ink Sketches - proko.com/draftsmen-media/mar...
Books and Resources:
Developing Your Style by Studying the Masters - • Developing Your Style ...
Improving Your Style With a Master Study - • Improving Your Style W...
Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters by Robert Beverly Hale - amzn.to/3gLXARI
Norman Rockwell: Behind The Camera by Ron Schick - amzn.to/3acEcL8
My Adventures as an Illustrator: Norman Rockwell - amzn.to/33MMuse
Rockwell on Rockwell: How I Make a Picture - amzn.to/3gLjS67
Rendering in Pen and Ink by Arthur Guptill - amzn.to/3fLWggk
How Artists Grow Over Time (ft. Cesar Santos) - proko.com/251
Sketchbook Tour with Cesar Santos - How to Become a Living Master - proko.com/250
How to be a Good Student - Draftsmen S2E14 - proko.com/424
Adopting Art Parents to Develop Your Style - Draftsmen S1E05 - proko.com/330
Jon Gnagy Learn How to Draw - amzn.to/2DNc31o
Andrew Loomis - amzn.to/3isQlP0
View Artwork in this Episode - proko.com/430
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ABOUT DRAFTSMEN
Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
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Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
Production Assistance - Charlie Nicholson, Sean Ramsey (www.peoplewhodrawstuff.com)
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Intro Animation - Cody Shank (codyshank.com/)
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@Draftsmen 3 жыл бұрын

Court Jones has a couple lessons on master studies - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLZom9Kkmrawj2g.html and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nM2Sf8pmxqzWh5s.html

@histoky2010 3 жыл бұрын

I am saying this again please do a podcast on how to learn colour.

@willheydecker6179 3 жыл бұрын

Please listen to James

@histoky2010 3 жыл бұрын

It's a humble request

@i753lf 3 жыл бұрын

please listen to Will

@mrpoool1015 Жыл бұрын

Can u do an Episode on the art of Beskinski, I'd be so interested what your thoughts are and how u would analyse his art.

@gabrielmorato308 3 жыл бұрын

STAN SPILLED THE GREEN STUFF

@tiagodagostini 3 жыл бұрын

For a second it felt like he was going into start wars theme tune... with those lyrics...

@DennisCNolasco 3 жыл бұрын

Wheeee!!!

@davidk5954 3 жыл бұрын

Marshall should do a podcast talking about pretty much everything. I could listen to him all day.

@Garl_Vinland 3 жыл бұрын

take a class

@anastassiyakim7041 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree with u.

@claudiafinelle7252 3 жыл бұрын

absolutely

@liamoohay24365 3 жыл бұрын

no way!

@yyg4632 3 жыл бұрын

he has a lot of energy

@JFTL81 3 жыл бұрын

“If people knew how hard I had to work to gain my mastery, it would not seem so wonderful at all.” - Michelangelo Buonarroti

@bloodnessx 2 жыл бұрын

👌👌👌

@JeffReilly Жыл бұрын

I disagree with Michelangelo, I'd be amazed at how hard he worked.

@chotho4718 9 ай бұрын

@@JeffReilly"It" here is his talent, he is talking about his talent.

@AndrewMarloweTV 3 жыл бұрын

“Your always gonna find out that you suck..” that was great lol

@maxpitchkites 2 жыл бұрын

Marshall's bookshelf: extensive library of great classics Proko's bookshelf: Twilight

@cat2951 3 жыл бұрын

It’s hilarious that he spilled matcha on himself when I just watched the video of him and Aaron Blaise drawing in the wild (in Florida), and he walked around with spilled coffee allllll down his shirt. 😂😂😂

@hazbiniznow89 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@MultiMetalsnake 3 жыл бұрын

“You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.” the journey of art right there

@khakikohii 3 жыл бұрын

Hxh reference!!

@mindofwatercolor 3 жыл бұрын

For me this is one of the best episodes you guys have done. So much here. Such great advice and the little passing references to the great artists we might study was fabulous. I'm a big believer in master studies and do them regularly but have barely scratched the surface. I've come away from this talk mesmerized in thought about all the possibilities in master studies I hadn't thought of before. Great stuff guys!

@catsoye 3 жыл бұрын

I agree, this is one of the best episodes. What was said about creative process too.. that's so motivating. They addressed a few insecurities we all have. Thank you very much for the podcasts. And thanks for this one specially.

@edwardmedina1236 3 жыл бұрын

I agree - Although you are one of those Masters to follow.

@Jjroberson114 3 жыл бұрын

Ditto

@magdalenaholt4594 2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardmedina1236 indeed, indeed!!

@zacharycieszinski5465 3 жыл бұрын

at 23:00 what Marshall says about the creative process is very valuable and clearly laid out

@kettlebox 3 жыл бұрын

Caught this just by accident and boy am I glad I did. I'm by no means even an amateur artist, so all this knowledge is brand new and invaluable - and so clearly and concisely expressed. Feels like I'm at uni. Thank you, gents.

@supsup8384 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone is always talking about Marshall, but Stan is opening up more and more it feels like.

@ap_po 3 жыл бұрын

marshall could talk about his last prostata check and i would sit here listening to his voice...good find prokopenko, good find.

@joschuaknuppe5849 3 жыл бұрын

"Portraits, you can't avoiding studying that as an artist", me a professional artist: *chuckles* "I'm in danger".

@AscendantStoic 3 жыл бұрын

I mean you could just draw feet if that's what you want XD

@joschuaknuppe5849 3 жыл бұрын

@@AscendantStoic I'm a paleoartist, I usually don't draw humans.

@lulilua9603 3 жыл бұрын

Professional artist? lol

@joschuaknuppe5849 3 жыл бұрын

Well, it's my main income and I studied art.

@Johanyohann 3 жыл бұрын

@@lulilua9603 dang so rude

@CharlesTryon 3 жыл бұрын

I remember the first time I saw an original Picasso up close enough that I could have touched it (if not for the glass...). Oh my... THAT was an emotional experience. Seeing individual brushstrokes made me feel like I was looking over his shoulder watching him paint. Everyone should have that experience at least a couple of times...

@TheSabuArt 3 жыл бұрын

Please an episode on story telling! its the aspect i find the most joyful on the creative process. love you two ^^

@tb8865 3 жыл бұрын

Marshall's explanation of the creative process needs to be clipped. Very helpful and on point!

@OmmesKanal 3 жыл бұрын

First Step: Spill big loads of green Matcha over your canvas

@anastassiyakim7041 3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy, its such a pleasure to listen to ur discussion. Thanks for another great episode. Love what u do.

@pharoahscurse 3 жыл бұрын

I needed this. I’ve been burnt out for quite some time during quarantine and this hit the spot.

@krishowes2330 3 жыл бұрын

Deffo my favourite from you guys so far. Many gems of advice here - one to watch more than once…

@darieuslegg 3 жыл бұрын

I love these guys so much.Just wow. Means alot to me that guys like this are sharing the knowledge so openly. And honestly. Without fluff and ego. No frills. Just straight to the truth.

@theshunzun 3 жыл бұрын

I feel so nourished after listening to this podcast. Like water for my soul. Thank you both!

@KemonoPriestessHazuki 3 жыл бұрын

I want to say this now... For the first several minutes of the podcast... There is already some meaty stuff to think about. I love listening, watching and checking the recommendations you two have. Thank you for sharing your experiences, and realizations. I truly appreciate the discussions. More power to you two!

@davidsonnet3689 3 жыл бұрын

This was one of the better Episodes! I enjoyed the focus on the topic, the fantastic discussion and examples.

@TheNordia1 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very informative episode. I have watched every one of the Draftsman podcasts. This was absolutely the best!

@dexterstudiosaaoi7630 3 жыл бұрын

Man , you guys are great ! Thanks for the fountain of wisdom that you provide us all with 🙏

@arthurhenriquecm 3 жыл бұрын

you guys share so much knowledge I can't believe this is free. Awesome video!

@teenanguyen217 3 жыл бұрын

This series is phenomenal, I love you guys. I have so much respect for the both of you and wish you great health and prosperity!

@rodrigokiefe3850 3 жыл бұрын

This podcasts always indspire me. Sometimes more than others, but there are always gems to pick and collect from this videos. Also, Stan, you are the reason for me to be able to draw. Thank you.

@anthonyrhee1737 3 жыл бұрын

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE! 😍😍😍

@yamapishy9792 3 жыл бұрын

Im watching/listening to this while I wash the dishes. Thank u so much for continuing to produce this content for us!

@cecilec5181 3 жыл бұрын

Wow , Guys your podcast is incredible (gosh! so happy to live in this "youtube knowledge sharing times") ! those 2 last episodes were ones of the best in my opinion !Your way of articulating every challenges and ways to over coming them is just perfect ! Thanks you both, it s just gold !

@brianfountain 3 жыл бұрын

My favorite podcast thus far. I really appreciate it guys.

@theleechqueen 3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy this subject is so important to me. I'll make sure to listen to it thoroughly. I really want to be able to draw more like my favorite artists.

@BigDomski 3 жыл бұрын

Same, I want to study Kim Jung Gi's drawings but I find it almost impossible 😂

@DiaGnostiKS 3 жыл бұрын

Me when i saw the thumbnail:" I´ve seen this one. This is classic." Then I saw the swithced faces. Very clever.

@saramartinez8747 2 жыл бұрын

This podcast has been such an amazing resource. Thanks to you guys I discovered the zettlekasten method of taking notes, I have a clearer idea of how to study masters. And just the amount of resources you manage to get in there. There are like 5 or six episodes I replay really often just becouse I feel there's so much to absorb. I'm kind of sad y the potcast ended, but I'm eager to see what comes next.

@eliasandrinopoulos8746 2 жыл бұрын

Man, you guys are really knocking it out of the park! Also, thank you for introducing me to so many artists whose work I was not familiar with! Going to listen to this one twice. Take care! 😊👏🏻👍🏻

@betterdayz2003 Жыл бұрын

This was great to start my day off. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

@cosmicsquirrel7642 9 ай бұрын

I just found this channel. Wow. This is awesome and just what I need right now. Thanks Draughtsmen

@Simon-ri1xl 3 жыл бұрын

thank you for your podcast, they give me nice essential energy

@ismailonel 3 жыл бұрын

I think this has been the greatest episode by far. Amazing!

@___9136 3 жыл бұрын

52:29 "romance the technique, play with it" Ironically, one of the best ways I found for doing that is to reduce it to the apparently routine (something minimal that I need to do somehow anyway, and could choose to do with a little more effort than the minimum) An example is labels - I make a point of dating and signing drawings, but it shouldn't be just printing out letters like a computer rendering text - it should be a composition in its own right, which conveys its own unique space and personality, while still remaining readable and subordinate to the drawing. That keeps intent, composition, proportion, "color" (typographical term which can be connected to 'smoothness of composition"), and 3d space as going concerns even when I might be fatigued from larger-scale work; I never have to worry too much about fatigue when each of these mini-compositions can be done in minutes. Another example is to use gray + one color instead of gray-only. Or make one thumbnail instead of no thumbnail. Whatever is the 'smallest box you could create in which [the technique you are studying] can still be exercised thoroughly'. EDIT: As it turns out, this also ties into your point about improvisation as a way to train instinct.

@user-wy2or9tm8z 3 жыл бұрын

פשוט תענוג להקשיב לשניכם. אתם שניכם פותרים לי כל כך הרבה בעיות בלימוד עצמי. לומדת כל כך הרבה מכם ומהעצות הקולעות. תודה רבה 😍

@RawazDraws Жыл бұрын

I just discovered these podcasts! Time to marathon!

@kellyramirez7465 3 жыл бұрын

Just when I needed this! Recently made my own curriculum and master studies is definitely there

@iamapie13 2 жыл бұрын

I listen to this podcast while at work, I work doing garden landscaping and as Marshall was talking about the sound of a chainsaw my coworker was using a chainsaw

@pb4113 3 жыл бұрын

A great episode! Thanks Stan and Marshall :)

@lulamidgeable 3 жыл бұрын

I'm into my fourth listen on this. Quite brilliant episode.

@stedilorenzo 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing, thank you. This was one of the best ones so far. Please do one on Bridgman and one on the duality of gesture and structure.

@fantomlimb5008 3 жыл бұрын

It's funny. I like the part about the terrible twos. My painting teacher back in college said the same thing, "A boring composition is a boring composition". Well he put it more like "it doesn't matter how good the painter is, a bad composition will just be a bad composition".

@edmundobaca3498 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the lessons.😊

@barbarajohnson1442 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Best study I ever had, with Jack Beal and Sondra Freckelton...COMPOSITION: Analysis of color, shape, line, notan....of master paintings. Of course Dutch, Italian Masters, they ALL COMPOSED SPACE!!! Brava

@johnreskusich2324 2 жыл бұрын

I learned a lot from this video. Thank you for making it and teaching.

@agikoboriko 3 жыл бұрын

So valuable, thanks guys!!

@jeffhreid 3 жыл бұрын

Marshall is very entertaining. Super knowledgeable too, but just fun to watch. Great job Sir

@mailie6403 3 жыл бұрын

A fantastic podcast. Thank you.

@haloiniastrid 3 жыл бұрын

Please don’t stop making podcasts! These things are really informative

@gonzalocarrero3743 3 жыл бұрын

nice show guys! thank you very much

@MarcoMouraArt 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent episode as well.. cheers!!

@AshSchultzArt 3 жыл бұрын

People have probably said it before but I love your guys thumbnails for your videos lmao

@hazard5768 3 жыл бұрын

A great episode thanks guys:)

@mariegregorio8537 3 жыл бұрын

34:50 I too adore when you start mentioning the artists!!

@alfiemarshall9224 3 жыл бұрын

yess

@91ThrashMetal 3 жыл бұрын

Still in love with the podcast - thank you both for your invaluable discussions! But, can we please have someone moderate the questions for the show in line with Marshall's and Stan's feedback on, 'what is a good question?' It must be frustrating for you guys to answer them and it's frustrating as a listener to hear these bad questions constantly; especially after the feedback you have given.

@religion2048 3 жыл бұрын

im reading keys to drawing, I'm on chapter 2 and i didn't feel as it was very significant, it was showing masters and their "handwriting" and just telling you to try and copy them. while watching this i realized why it was encouraging me to do it. So thank you that on helping me with that.

@speedmetaljesus 3 жыл бұрын

I'm just drooling at Marshall's book collection

@mialeroux2943 3 жыл бұрын

Listening to so many Proko and Marshall podcasts at my current day job while pursuing my art career (tattooing). Can't wait to start working at a tattoo studio though 🤩 thanks for these podcasts, they pull me through the boringness of my current job

@Kileryn 2 жыл бұрын

I Loved how expressively Stan was talking about studying brushwork for oil painting, I got the same feeling when someone talks really well about cooking something. Yumyumm :D

@davidrios2185 3 жыл бұрын

that's so cool about the communions of Master Copies.

@dianarene8952 2 жыл бұрын

Informative and uplifting.

@michaelroven5308 3 жыл бұрын

love you guys, keep it up :)

@pjlewisful 3 жыл бұрын

really good stuff here...thanks!

@polymorphicblacksteve5038 3 жыл бұрын

Another great podcast

@edwardmedina1236 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome - I love the advise of Proko about studying Masters as a beginner (Basically Don't). That you'll gain more from study from life than from masters.

@scubet2094 3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the advice catered toward beginners (Me), These methods on how to study never occurred to me at all, its all still a lot to take in, But maybe soon Ill be able to Ace the Understanding 3d forms lesson of the figure course

@Kitieification 3 жыл бұрын

Stan is correct , when you are in art school you should work from life. Be it still life or models. When it was with Charles Cecil, I drew casts for one year before I went to painting. The light was controlled with black boxes, High North light windows etc. I was not a beginner but I have taught beginners. Unfortunately, many art schools are a business and teachers are forced to give crash courses. I was in Berlin now Vienna the students get scared off of hard work. But I think it is very important to start with life.

@atilab99draws58 3 жыл бұрын

someone who's a musician should get in contact with marshall and make these musical sketches into tunes

@jeadevoe209 3 жыл бұрын

My favorite episode yet, you guys covered a lot thanks (a bit shorter would make it more accessible)

@doriaustin713 3 жыл бұрын

The resources in the description are very helpful. This video taught me things that I didn't even know I needed. Thank you, Proko! P.S. Could the names of the artists mentioned in the videos be put in the descriptions?

@samankucher5117 2 жыл бұрын

I always liked those :)

@gast4215 3 жыл бұрын

Ref. to studying masters in a museum (the originals): for me it's also about sizes, there are paintings with such an impact - you could've never imagined by seeing just a photo of it. Not only the really big ones, but this also applies to smaller works. I've discoverd your podcasts just now and really appreciate them, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and thoughts!

@eve9979 2 жыл бұрын

So useful!!!

@J0nnygoeswild 10 ай бұрын

I liked that chef analogy

@SOPHiELAWSON 3 жыл бұрын

Stan's got the master study skills!

@leandrorp6642 3 жыл бұрын

Any chance to have a episode on "cheats" in art? specially at concept art, with 3D underpainting, photobashing, draw overs and such

@carolbranco3956 2 жыл бұрын

great discussing!

@m_a5944 3 жыл бұрын

PLEASE, a Draftsmen podcast about storytelling !!!

@adibara 3 жыл бұрын

god i love draftsmen video thumbnails :-D

@mmv1503 3 жыл бұрын

25:50 I felt Marshall's look in the eyes, not even looking in the monitor

@MoMastafa 3 жыл бұрын

👏 Hi Stan & Marshall, Thank you for the great insights as always. So valuable. Quick question for you Marshall. I’ve picked up a copy of “Drawing Lessons from the great masters” and also “The Natural Way to Draw”. As I’m still relatively early in my figure drawing journey, which order would you recommend I study the two books in??? Thank you.🙏

@cheesebungirl 3 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, absolutely love your content. Question though - I want to ask a question, but I'm not sure if it's short enough for a voice mail. Is there an email I can send a question to, or should I just work on condensing my question into a more bite size piece for voice mail?

@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065 3 жыл бұрын

The best art podcast I've seen to date, you're going to bankrupt art schools!

@reikadoodles 3 жыл бұрын

Marshall the green stuff is a type of tea.😆

@micahmcclung5586 3 жыл бұрын

man marshall SAVES this podcast

@jawshoouhm Жыл бұрын

Stan spilled the green stuff

@edwardmedina1236 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Hmmm.... Being mindful about copying some work. Thank you. It seems obvious, but I'm not sure I got it until just now.

@andrewkong4592 3 жыл бұрын

this podcast is mana for artists

@jayedwin98020 3 жыл бұрын

Stan, The simplicity of your 'Fisherman at the Seashore' is beautiful, and I love your colors. The sky is beautiful! If this is your example of a "boring" painting, I'm sorry, I have to disagree. Jim Dasher, Spectrum Graphics (Seattle metro)

@sarkaricarobar 3 жыл бұрын

Can Marshall please catalog his bookshelf and share the list? PLEASE?

@daneelpotot1783 3 жыл бұрын

25:35 25:35 25:35 !!! I needed to hear this omg. Ive been working on a painting for a while now, and im getting so frustrated bc ive been doing more comps than i usually do to try and get the colors right. But its comforting to know that even masters like rockwell go thru 10+ iterations and struggle with the process before reaching the final piece. Also anything marshall says i obv take it to heart 🥰🥰