Cavill's exit was absolutely necessary for the future of the DCU. He needed to go so Jennifer Lawrence could play Superman; the character based on her life story.

Cavill is a truly classy guy and would have loved to see him as Superman again

Henry Cavill has true passion for fictional universes. DCs Superman, The Witcher, Warhammer. He reads the books, he plays the games. His passion combined with his ability to act and carry that fictional material towards a more mainstream movie/series appeal is truly unique. Great guy!

“He’s got all the qualities that Hollywood hate right now”. Nailed it.

Biggest example of "not listening to the fans" I've ever seen. Shame on James Gunn.

“They picked some of the best actors in the worst movies.” That’s the most concise and accurate critique of the DCEU I’ve heard yet.

How can Henry Cavill be treated so badly yet be so polite when speaking of those who did him dirt? How can he be that perfect for a role, that well liked, that popular with anyone and everyone, yet be fired for the gig everyone wants to see him in as Hollywood is struggling to revive a franchise? And yet he still speaks kindly and professionally about everyone he's worked for who screwed him over. How can he do all that? Because he actually is Superman.

"Cavil has everything Hollywood doesn't want right now" -Az Perfectly fact

Cavill strikes me as someone who researches his characters and the lore they're in to a far more thorough degree than the producers.

Ezra Miller still in, Amber Heard still in, Henry Cavill out... What a forking timeline we live in?

They don't want Henry for two reasons: 1) He stirs the pot by asking them to leave the messaging behind and stick to the source material. 2) He's traditionally masculine and they hate that.

Heelvs's rant at 12:30 is PITCH PERFECT. Honestly, he tapped into my psyche and deep instincts about so many of the things wrong with modern Hollywood.

I’m not Henry’s super fan. But it’s super clear he is insanely liked by everyone, they could have started from clean slate, did a soft reboot, did some multiverse erasing, whatever they would do, people like him so much, girls and boys, everyone would go and see it anyway. Stupid, it’s just stupid to remove this fan likability boost from future projects

Why does Superman have to be young forever ? A maturing, even aging hero would be pretty interesting to see.

You could take Henry Cavill and time travel back to the golden age of Hollywood and he would fit in, he’s that kind of talent, and it sucks that he’s once again getting screwed over by Hollywood.

The 'I want some hope in our movies' sums up SO much of what the problem is. Deconstructions have their place, and the ones that work have writers that DON'T hate the thing they're deconstructing. One of the reasons the original Star Wars was so successful was because it was a breath of fresh air in a rather grimdark period in cinema (and world affairs). What we need now is another movie like that :(

The incompetence of those who run Warner bros and dc is staggering

The way he’s been treated is the thing that annoys me. He was told to announce he was back a few weeks ago, now this. Awful tbh…

Cavil was one of the very few positives in the DC universe lately. A classy dude with some solid acting chops. I also hate to see him move on from the Witcher role, but the writers are destroying that franchise, so I don't blame him. He cares about the source material and it shows in his portrayal of Geralt. The books are really good, and I think that respecting Sapkowski's stories on screen would have yielded a series that appealed to both the people that loved that games and the portion of the public that doesn't play video games. There were some real opportunity in the Witcher series, particularly with Cavil in the role of Geralt, and it was completely wasted by Netflix.

I'm a casual fan. Enough to appreciate Henry for what he's done. I mean, he's perfection! I never realized until Az's rant that this is why people care. This is why people read comics. This is why people have heroes. Hollywood doesn't have them or can portray them. Henry was your best shot at one.

Cavil is such a good Superman, he’s got the look, the class, the feel, just amazing. I’m now a huge fan of Cavil the actor

This is absolute proof now that Henry didn't leave the Witcher for the superman role but for the writers being shit

This whole decision gives way to the age old phrase. People don’t truly understand what they have until they lose it. It’s absolutely devastating how poorly used cavil was. Hope the man gets what he deserves in the near future.

Cavill demonstrated something so few people in the industry seem to have: integrity.

I literally just watched black Adam and it was a decent popcorn flick but when they played the superman score and Henry Cavill walked out of the shadows brought such a smile to my face....now I'm super sad that they are not continuing his career of being superman.

This is like watching someone you really care about finally get out of an abusive relationship.

I've been following Henry Cavill since the Tudors and really enjoyed his performances. He would be such an awesome Bond. Regarding DC, I was a little kid in the nineties and I remember being obsessed with the batman animated series. From time to time I like to watch some old episodes and animated movies.

I have cried more at Henry being shafted than I have about anything from cinema in the last decade 😂😭

10 years of 'Smallville' just wasn't enough obviously. We definitely need to see a bunch of films about a young Clark Kent now.

They easily could have pulled a parallel universe soft reboot. Henry is beyond perfect for the role, on screen and especially off screen. The way he is able to promote a movie like Superman or the entire DCEU by being an actually corteous, charismatic and absolutely handsome sun of a gun is something that DC shouldnt overlook, especially after the disaster with Ezra Miller and Amber Heard. He is loved by the fans, by the press, by Hollywood. That is extremely rare and actually worth a lot these days. And it would especially be worth the paycheck he demands.

That rant by "Az" - a perfect summation of what we're all thinking, and why we're all upset. Thank you for vocalizing it .

Beautifully said, Az. I was genuinely looking forward to Shazam 2, cause I’m a huge Zachary Levi fan, but I don’t want to give WB any of my money at this point

It amazes me how hard these film companies try not to make money.

Henry Cavill in the 80s would be dominating everything with his look and acting skill. You could put him in as Rambo seamlessly for example

He’s going to be on the Warhammer 40k series and he’s one of the executives for writing so that’s gonna be a baller show. It’s Amazon and the only reason I have hope for it is because of The Terminal List and it’s Henry on the actual production so I’m have high hopes for that.

Henry Cavill is total CLASS act. What they basically did to him would make an average person go "postal". However, prediction. Cavill in ten years; owns his one of the studios. And all of the executives that dumped him. Will be the coffee servers.

My biggest hope for Cavill is that Tom Cruise brings him into other projects. Obviously no more M:I movies, but anything else. Maybe a sci-action project or some new potential franchise that lets Cavill shine to the point were he can finally get more pull and make sure he doesn't get screwed over for being way too good for the roles he's been getting.

Henry Cavill is the living embodiment of Superman, and he even looks perfect for the part. This isn't fair to Henry and to the world robbed of potential greatness.

Babyface speaks the truth here BIG TIME. And Drinker introduced me to him. Thank you!

Cavill leaving as superman now paves the way for him to produce a Warhammer 40k project. Silver linings and I'm actually excited for it.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Amber Heard comes back as Lois Lane

The best Superman to date. The little things he did to add like after he got hit by the locomotive pushed it and spoke to the sgt. before the event of flying his facial expression right before he took to flight, gave me goose bumps that was awesome. A great expression to add to display before transitioning into flight. Henry took Superman to another level. Why do you get rid of the Golden Goose.

If I were the DC brass I would have kept Henry, soft rebooted the universe all the way back to Man of Steel and started from there. I know MoS had it's issues and I know a lot of people didn't like it but I think it gives a pretty good base for a proper Superman portrayal, they just didn't use it. You can set it a couple years after the events of MoS and have Superman realize that he was just a passive hero before, only helping people when they were nearby and that isn't enough anymore. He's now fully dedicated himself to helping people. Stopping criminals, saving crashing airplanes, talking depressed teenage girls off of rooftops, being there for people when and where they need him. Proper hero shit. Maybe have him realize that killing Zod was wrong and vow never to take a life again. Definitely dye the suit in brighter colours. Make him be hopeful and cheerful, a beacon of light in these dark times. A goddamned inspiration like he's supposed to be. But for the love of god don't have him mope around for the entire freaking movie like BvS. SUPERMAN SMILES! Then and ONLY then, do you build the universe. You could do separate Batman, Wonder Woman etc films after MoS 2, or if you want to cash in on a group film do a worlds finest film (Batman/Superman. my personal preference) or a Trinity film (Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman). You could recast those roles if you needed to, I still like Ben and Gal but I get recasting them if necessary. No Justice League yet. Too soon. Start introducing other characters in solo films. I don't care if people say "waah, you're just copying Marvel". So what? It works, do it. Don't genderswap or raceswap characters, that'll just alienate your core audience and won't attract enough new people to offset that. Instead, if you want to push 'the message' use existing characters. DC has hundreds of characters to choose from, from every background you can imagine. If you want a specific category, there's a character for that. And they probably have a pretty dedicated fanbase too.

Lets hope the Bond Franchise see this opportunity and we all get the role Cavill was born to play.

Az’s rant is absolutely on the money and I love how everyone is quiet and respectful as he lets loose on all his frustrations because he’s just saying what they, and we, are all thinking; that we don’t want anymore superheroe deconstructions

Henry Cavill in "Man from Uncle". This reboot was so underrated

Heel's rant was pretty spot on. I think we are all so tired of this crap, but I don't see an end in sight.

Wish Henry Cavill all the best; a class act with so much passion for entertainment and all the interests, gaming, comics, whatever. A superb actor and I hope he gets to work with other people who share his love for source material.

Heelvz was spitting facts. It moved me so much. I want to be moved. I want to be inspired. I want to be superman to be superman. I want batman to be batman.

CONSTRUCTING heros! YES. Well said, Az! In a world as stressful and strained as ours, we need to learn how to be heros, we need examples to draw from, and we need precisely that kind of build in our culture now.

There's rumors along the vine that Cavil might be doing a WH40K show. Honestly, I'm fucking happy for that.

And Henry, as always, was a complete class act in how he responded.

That is the cruelest kind of prank. They got both Cavill and the fans' hopes up just to dash them son after. I have to wonder just how costly this joke will end up being in the long run.

James Gunn forgets that Disney cancelled him, and the fans got him hired again.

Yeah the other thing is though that I think isn't being mentioned is that Cavill has shown he cares enough about source material and staying true to the fans that he's willing to walk away if the riders tried to trash it up too much, and maybe they expect to trash it up pretty good so they don't want that kind of risk

How Hollywood treats Henry is the most indicative thing to explain them today.

This will be a good test of gunns range, assuming he has more control. Watching suicide squad and peacemaker, I found myself wondering if the offbeat humor was like guardians of the galaxy because it's all he can do or was it studio executives pushing him to make it similar to guardians because that was so successful and they wanted their team of relatively unknown characters to be silly too?

Gutted about Cavill being out as Superman. It’s like the guy was created in lab for that role. Also, you guys are right about how he has all the traditional qualities of a leading man in Hollywood, but apparently Hollywood isn’t interested in money these days, they care more about this elusive “modern audience” they keep telling us about, but I suspect doesn’t exist in any meaningful way.

Tell you what, Az’s rant couldn’t have more perfectly encapsulated how I feel about superheroes. I’m just watching Rocky 3 actually and there’s a great scene where Mickey is saying why Rocky shouldn’t fight Clubber Lang and Mickey says, “the worst thing that could’ve happened to you happened- you got civilised”, and I think it a great analogy to modern entertainment- it’s lost it’s balls.

Henry is the best! We need more Actors like him who have integrity!!!!

Drinker...your guest Heelz was so amazing!! His rant at the end was everything I feel rn!!!! What a lad!!!

Gunn is the greatest asset Disney ever had. He created them a billion dollar franchise from obscure characters that are now household names, infiltrated their competition by making them a good movie and a good series, and now burns them to the ground by throwing out everything that worked, intentionally pressing the reboot button AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME, and crowning himself as the Feige of the upcoming projects. If thats not an industry predator on the highest level, I dont know what is.

Heel's monologue was a bloody gem because of how pure and perfect it was

Now with Cavills Warhammer-verse confirmed he definetly got out on top of this all. Also a huge win for the fans obviously

Totally right about deconstruction. And the rant about it afterward was a strait shot. Reconstruction is the important final step in the healthy life cycle of the criticism. You don't have to go back to a corny silver age thing, but you can make a true modern adaption that pulls the soul of the character into a new era.

12:30 - 17:02 - Az's rant couldn't have been more on the money and more heartfelt, and fair play to the other guys for sitting there patiently quiet and letting him get it, undisturbed, off his chest. And he's right, Cavill knows too much, because he's one of us. He should be everywhere - He should be Bond, Superman, Highlander, The Witcher.... all at the same time!

I would love to see a Cavill Bond played old school

Superman is one of those characters that can absolutely be older and be everything the character is supposed to be. Cavil could do the character for as long as he stays in shape (which will probably be his whole life). Cavil getting cut is one of the dumber things DC has done, and that’s saying something.

Heel going off on one for 4-1/2 minutes was perfection, pure and simple.

Just imagine the insane amount of pressure surrounding the poor guy that will eventually replace Cavill

I think Heels Babyfaces rant summed up the state of the modern superhero era perfectly. "Stop deconstructing, start reconstructing"

As makes a great point, Henry is everything Hollywood hates. But the same can be said about Superman, until we fix Hollywood we won't get a good Superman. Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

Thank you guys.

It is easy to see why there aren't any Movie Stars left in Hollywood, when the good actors can't find good scripts to work off of... I hope Warhammer FINALLY showcases Cavill's full range and potential while also being good enough in its own right to justify its own existence 💖

"Who are they gonna cast as Superman? Tom Holland?" Don't give them ideas Az, they'll do it.

They should make a movie based on "for the man who has everything". Thats a top notch superman story and the justice league is also there.

I agree with Babyface(sic), which is why henry’s involvement with 40K as an executive producer may be the best possible role for henry. But I have to make it clear 40K lacks a lot of optimism, however you have lots of space marines coming in to save the day which really rocks. For the Emperor!

I just feel sorry for Henry in that they told him it was a done deal and to release the news on twitter. Now they stab him in the back and make him look silly (not that I think he looks silly, but you know what I mean).

Az's rant is pure golden and damn based. Really pulls at the heart.

I love Henry. No one can replace him. 💕

I'd love to see Henry Cavill portray Mayor (and Street Fighter) Mike Haggar, in a "Final Fight" movie. They're already working on "Streets of Rage." It could happen.

Hey guys, thank you for letting AZ rant towards the end there. It feels good to hear that a lot of the critics I enjoy, listening to on KZfaq are also concerned about the same things that I am as a viewer movies: specifically being able to walk out of a movie inspired by the characters on screen to do more with my life in someway that would impact the people around me. Really enjoyed this content for today, thank you for taking the time to put it together!

i feel so bad for Henry he deserves better he cares so much even more than the actual producers about the source material, DCEU is in a tough place right now (as they always were tbh) and I do agree with Babyface that Peacemaker was terrible i don't know if i can trust Gunn if he writes shit like that again.

James Gunn's old tweets are so vile, Henry Cavill is better off distancing himself from such a person.

Az's mic drop lmao, that was great

Henry Cavill as Bond.

I like Mauler's idea of a Flash paradox disaster scenario. That's similar to how Final Fantasy 14 re-tooled for 'A Realm Reborn' where the terrible state that the original game launched in was completely rebuilt and replaced from the ground up -- but the reset was presented as a 'meteor' striking the world so that there was narrative continuity across versions. It worked very well and gave an interesting sense of history to the world moving forward. It was the ultimate "yes, and".

18:45 How about Aslan (The Chronicles of Narnia)? With all due respect to Liam Neeson (he's one of my favorite actors and, in my opinion, did a *phenomenal* job with the role himself), Henry Cavill's second *only* to Kit Harington (another favorite) as the actor I'd choose to voice Aslan in future Narnia-related projects.

Az's last rant in this clip was legendary

Seeing Henry as a Primarch or a Space Marine Captain instead of MoS? I say it's a good trade.

It’s such a shame because they found the perfect actors for so many of the roles they just had bad writing and directing. When Az went off he was spot on. Very well said. Shows like the boys and peacemaker are fun to watch but how long can that last. Where are the optimistic films that society needs to carry us forward.

Henry Cavill should've been to Superman, what Hugh Jackman was to Wolverine...

The rant that Heelvs went on was actually heartbreaking because it was so spot on accurate. *WOKENESS* has destroyed and is destroying the superhero genre and all that it touches. Oh well, the ride was fun.

Henry.C needs to be in another U.N.C.L.E film now !

DC and Warners think the problem is with the actors and not EVERY other part of their process. Ironic

They only let him announce he was coming back so they could save black Adam, the end credit scene was what people wanted to see most

"The Heard that won't flush..." ... F**king poetry, Drinker!

On one hand, it feels like a gutpunch after Henry leaves both Witcher & Superman, but on the plus side we do get him doing a 40k universe. As he actually collects and reads the lore, he's an incredible fit since he will be involved in all of the vids. Interesting that it's 40k though; does that include the Heresy series? I would suspect that occupies another license.

18:31 I will add to what the drinker said about Cavill that Henry was classy off screen as well. He was good for the press tour as well … something often overlooked (by DC anyway)

DC's loss is Warhammer 40k's gain