The funny thing is that I don't think anyone ever liked She Hulk comics, they'd pop up over about 40 years and fade away to some kind of who-cares obscurity until someone else gave it a go and generally came up broke. I guess the latest attempt can just be thrown on the big pile of who cares

​@@krissteel4074she was relatively popular because she used to be a giant and sexy lawyer. There is a niche there but I think it would require a competent writer to get it to reach general audiences.

"And the beat goes on And the beat goes on Laddee daddee daddee dee Laddee daddee daddee die" 🎶☠️

@@RambleOn07 In another time, like 2005 you could probably just write it up as adult comedy with a stupid sexy muscle girl lawyer doing all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately its 2024 and we're not allowed to have nice things, like boobs or comedy and action boobs any more because it'll make the men act up. The underlying 'seriousness' of presenting the message kind of kills any kind of fun when really people should find the time to laugh at themselves and take the piss out of things

@@krissteel4074 true, we're not even allowed writers who can write court scenes in a show about a lawyer. It's honestly impressive that these companies make any money anymore.

It's amazing what hiring based on merit can do.

Almost twice as much. In fact since one show was probably low-budget, I bet most the shows were double the budget of Godzilla minus one.

Considering how atrocious the CG for She-Hulk was, there was some laundering going on.

@@dannypalin9583 apparently they kept rewriting the episodes and needed to do the CGI multiple times, I think I heard that.

@@dannypalin9583 there has got to have been something happening mate. Whoever is signing the cheques over at Disney seriously needs looking at!

Ironic since men get much harsher sentences than women for the same crimes. And she's supposed to be a lawyer...

Her client goes to jail for violating his release by transforming. But she was under the same restrictions and got no punishment

We have a saying here in Scotland. Usual from the usual. Women *always* get off with lighter sentences if any sentence at all. The *very* false idea that women are somehow angels in all aspects if life and deserve less punishment for arbitrary reasons, while men do not even get considered for having such reasons (or any at all) is abhorrent. If anyone wants to preach about “systemic” anything, it should be the systemic bias for women and against men… in every system there is.

​@@jayboy2kay7👍💯

​@@nugsboodlepoostatistically this is true for the majority of crimes. But if you look at sentencing terms for the most serious violent crimes (i.e. murder) it actually gets flipped on it's head and women tend to get harsher sentencing than average. It's weirdly inconsistent.

WEIRD weird

Knock knock -Who’s there? Tatiana… -Tatiana who? That’s Hollywood for you.

I think the Drinker has a part time job for Tatiana 😂

🎻🎻🎻🎻

well played

So sad. Too bad.

I wanted Disney to lose more tens of millions. Disappointed. 😢

Everyone: *Satisfied*

It’s like the audience reaction at the end of “The Truman Show”. “So, what else is on?”

Yeah lol

Poor Disparu;he's probably heartbroken. 😂

@@zacharymcmillan2788 He's said as much several times.

I was looking forward to not watching it

Testify, brother.

Yep, I was looking forward to not seeing it. I will miss Disparu and this fine panel’s take on it.

Netflix is no better with the Witcher and Amazon with LotR. The whole upper management of the entertainment divisions in those companies is incompetent. Them: here's your chance, why are you the best person to lead this multimillion dollar show? Writers and showrunners: I don't GAF about the source material, have no interest in following it and am happy to accuse any fans who don't like the show of being a bigot. Them: you had us at don't GAF

OK literally nobody in Hollywood has experience with legal dramas lol that’s like .0001% of everything producing Hollywood probably. So that’s really stupid to point out and you don’t have to have experience with legal dramas to make legal dramas. It’s not that much more to it. It’s just incorporating some courtroom scenes. That’s literally it. There’s nothing complicated. And you can say well they did a bad job with so you can’t say it it’s not complicated. No they didn’t do a bad job with the show and you didn’t watch it. Lol. But I bet they did not say they have no love for comics or the characters and they probably did not say they had no experience whatsoever with all these things you claimed. Again, you just have someone who hates Disney probably lied and told you that and you believed it. Maybe they literally said this, but I doubt it. Maybe one person said it. But I doubt that.

@@jessejive117 Legal dramas are a staple of american TV Law & order is/was massive. IB4 "tVs nOt HOLLyWoOd", Hollywood in this context means the establishment industry, not the physical location.

@@jessejive117Most legal dramas use terminology associated with the Justice system and sometimes actually follow protocols and rules when dealing with the court system more than not. She-Hulk clearly had no idea how the court system works, how lawsuits or legal defenses work. The trademark lawsuit in the show was the crown jewel showing how they knew nothing at all. Most legal dramas or movies bring in advisors to be able to make it a little realistic. My Cousin Vinny is a great example of knowing how courts work.

A half way competent writer would have said "I don't know about XYZ. I'll research it or ask someone who does" . Instead they boasted about coming up with plots to troll 'the enemy' and the food in the writers room.

She was so aggressive and confrontational before…not so much now!

How much of that was studio mandated. Did her bosses tell her to act like that because they thought it would get attention and make them quick profit? Then once she was used up they moved on to Rachel Zellweger. Meanwhile they're anonymous in their gated communities counting their money.

@@onequickthing8950 Pure conjecture. And who the Hell is Rachel Zellweger? 🤨

She pulled similar shit on 'Orphan Black,' claimed the set was dripping with misogynistic hurrpadurrp because someone asked her out on a date during filming while she was strapped to a table. Yes, all those sexist misogynist types in _Canada._ 🙄

​@@The_Mighty_Fiction Disney's new Hispanic Snow White

EXACTLY

Released as overpriced DLC and full of gamebreaking bugs.

Side quests have purpose and phases 4 and 5 are just woke trash.

And you're so over-leveled you can't level up without grinding against lower level enemies getting 2 or 3 XP at a time.

Worst. Postgame. Ever.

Exactly, it’s never been a woman problem, it’s been a woke perpetual victim woman problem

She-Hulk, at least as written and drawn in the 80's and 90's always blew all of them away in terms of actual popularity in comics. The whole point is she's NOT angry like her cousin. She preferred being She-Hulk.

I will never understand how so many "people" (more like robots) can actually sit there and say that IN THE MODERN AGE with a straight face and zero shame. It's genuinely fucking creepy.

@@carlrood4457She was angry at the beginning, but as she lacks any of the emotional baggage of Bruce, she was able to master her new powers pretty fast. From there on, she was her own character and usually a well liked one, though mainly at home in teams. There hasn’t been any hate for She-Hulk among fans until the comics and the MCU tried to make her political instead of a character.

Not to mention the success of earlier (sometimes much earlier) characters like Wonder Woman, Batgirl, Supergirl, etc. They are very self-absorbed and give no thought to what they are saying.

And also it's not supposed to be the key to the ending. It should have been a minor quirky aspect of the show .

I did. I didn't watch it, but I thought about it. Back in the 80's, when I started reading comics, She-Hulk was a well written popular character. If they had made a series about her, it could have been a smash hit.

I hear ya

I am sorry to say I did. Back then I watched all marvel stuff - they've since cured me of that.

Honestly, if you saw the She-Hulk twerking meme, you've basically watched the entire show

Same. I didnt watched any of the Marvel TV show. Did watch DD Season 2 + Punisher S1&2, they gonna ruins those characters as well in Born again do they?

Let me play the biggest violin I can find 👌🏻

The sarcasm in you is strong OP. Too strong.

Maybe she was never a good actress, but was led by a good director and supported by good camera angles. She herself still keeps insisting that 'She-Hulk' was a fantastic show and her performance in it was fantastic. At the very least, it demonstrates that she has no idea what those things are and if she acts well it is not on purpose.

​@@Mereologist Nah, she basically carried Orphan Black. She's legit good, ruined by the Disney agenda

Nope,sorry,she acts like an amateur. Her face makes me switch channel in a hurry.

and she wears "trans kids" tshirts

Orphan Black was good and she was VERY good in it. For those who came late, Orphan Black was a show clones. Some 'bad people' - I forget the full plot - was engaged in making clones and Tatiana played ALL the female clones, all of which have dramatically different mannerisms and styles and often against her other characters. What is more is because of 'plot' at some times she played one of the clones pretending to be one of the different clones (again, been a while but there was one situation where Clone A needed to do something at the same time as finally getting access to her son, so she got Clone B and said, "Just wear my clothes and pick up my son after school and walk him home". It makes sense in context.) So yes, she CAN act. I give you that the scripts for OB do seem to be a lot better than SH. I also give you that it is possible to be a good actress and a Woke at the same time. Being a good actor does not prevent you from being a Leftie. BUT... Not only does the acting in SH look utter rubbish, but she comes across as an insufferable victim who did nothing wrong. Sorry sweetie, but you were the lead of this show. You have to take at least some ownership. Again, which is a pity cause in Orphan Black you were actually very good.

Definitely. When you don't care that you making something cr*p and you're too lazy to make something better.

The TV She-Hulk was created specifically to troll fans. They WANTED anger and outrage. Very typical of modern misandrist feminists.

No no. She knew what she was doing. Remember she would predict the outrage over her bad writing beforehand. So she was absolutely aware AND DECIDED to go ahead with it anyway.

To be fair, Gao is ALSO garbage and has been doing misandrist garbage work for most of her career.

I highly recommend you read Dan Slott's run on the character. The 12-issue 2004 run especially. It is a fun look at Superhuman Law. That aspect does decrease when the book relaunches in 2005, but there's still an amount of it in there.

That's the worst part of She Hulk in that if it was made with sincerety and by genuine creatives that didn't tank it on purpose trying to own the chuds, it could've been great. And now the character is so tainted in live action to they have to give it a couple years before they do anything else with her.

Sokovia Accord sets up a nice little legal stage to play within, too. *HUFF* H'OH WELL... Gotta attack men, or something, I guess.

I wish Daredevil would spend more screen time in the courtroom. To be honest, those were my favorite scenes from the Ben Affleck movie, and the Charlie cox TV show. Superheroes punching bag guys are a dime a dozen.

Sorry, typing while distracted.

Now that you say it, how haven’t they had the drinker as the villain in one of these? Granted they’d probably have George Lucas as the villain first, but they hate the drinker more

@@richtes These "Writers" are such immature brats. They spend way to much time on social media putting youtubers they don't like as bad guys in their shitty tv shows. These people need to grow up seriously.

Little Platoon devastated.

Would be almost the Auralnauts experience where the spoof (Star Wars episodes 1-3) is better than the actual release :D She-Drinker! Each episode narrated by the Drinker, like a less evil Morgan Freeman.

His?

It was mostly women that wrote this.

​@@SpaceForce635I'm fairly sure Cody Ziglar is a man... but it is current year, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@brick6347Why ignore the rest of the writers room and Jessica Gao though?

@@SpaceForce635they’ll surely start insulting men, the fictional patriarchy, and misogyny for the cancellation. 🥱 💤

I was soooo happy he was on here this week!!

@@LaloLanderos16 And he has more subscribers than Gary, too. He's nearing 2 million subs while Gary is at just over 500K.

He's the cool black guy of the group

he's that exception to the rule of typical close minded black guy who likes all from disney netflix etc. he actually cares about source material and actually likes comics and games....id say he's more nerd than yungrippa even

@RogerSole2 K. I haven't been following his growth that closely. Last time I was following it closely, he was at around 500K.

you're quite the optimist. I think the EFAP average rating is like 1.5/10

Did you like Season 2 and 3 of Daredevil?

@@SpaceForce635 oh 100% when they came out. I just started rewatching the 1st season a few weeks ago will eventually get through them all again taking my time 😂

I have nothing but sympathy for Paul Rudd, Anthony Mackie, Sebastian Stan, Charlie Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio and Iman Vellani. They all deserve better.

​@@SpaceForce635s1- 😊 S2- 😐 S3- 😑

What I don't get is their utter lack (or refusal?) of awareness regarding other female-lead superhero shows. Jessica Jones, Peggy Carter, Agents of Shield (to a point), and even Supergirl (didn't enjoy that one as much) - it CAN be done right. WTF is going on now?

Even Natalie Portman has been slinging some shit

Don't worry, these guys still have the Rey movie, the Mandalorian movie, Madame Web, the New Avengers, the Acolyte, X-Men, the list goes on and on.

he clearly looks out of place. I wonder why...

​@@accountnew7030 he doesn't say much does he?

@@accountnew7030seemed like he was still getting over his sickness. Quite a bit of coughing.

​@@accountnew7030he's a long time KZfaqr, like the rest of the panel. Why is he out of place?

Tyrone used to be huge back in the day of reaction channels being peak. He's a real one

The third Spiderman Movie 😁

Agreed. Endgame too

I'm pretty sure Infinity War was the last movie I went into the theatre to watch. GoT season 7 was the last new TV show I watched. Everything since has been watching folks like Nerdrotic and Drinker tearing things apart. Good times.

Guardians 3 and endgame was actually bad tho

Yeah I started guardians 3 made it 30 mins in and turned it off. Didn't like it at all. But that's just me 🤷

You know what would've been bad ass? Set a show during the 5 years between Infinity War and Endgame. During this time Kingpin's wife, Vanessa, was bliped and we get to see an even more ruthless Kingpin. Taking advantage of the catastrophe by expanding his empire. That would be awesome

Thanos was tougher than thanos's ship, and they beat Thanos... who's kingpin?

Kingpin might have had some legs if they hadn't been doing everything in their power to neuter him. In 'Hawkeye' they revealed that he wasn't a criminal mastermind, but stole all his success from a powerful GIRLBOSS. And they ran over him with a car and shot him in the head. In 'Echo', they turn him into a weepy loser who can't control the situation and is begging for a GIRLBOSS to forgive him or end him and take his place. And then she cured his childhood trauma because really he was just a sad boy who couldn't adapt. It's the same problem they had with Kang... they wanted him to be the 'villain', but had a more desperate need to have a GIRLBOSS beat him up every five minutes to show how GIRLBOSS they were.

Honestly, I could see a phase built around Kingpin slowly becoming a global level threat by simply expanding his empire and getting access to some higher tech. Have a mention that with shield not operating as it used to, this stuff is falling into the hands of criminals. Potentially eventually have a new team assembled to deal with earthbound problems before they get up to 'avengers level threat' status as fallout of the phase.

It's been all crap the whole way through, there is no bringing back old characters and lighting the fire. See also: elderly wrestlers coming back for one more run.

How?? Where did it go!? It wasn't the effects!

​​​@@someguyontheinternet2399 Money laundering for criminal organizations like BLM and the Cartel.

Uh oh.....someone owes someone a LOT of money.

​@@someguyontheinternet2399Laundering

@@someguyontheinternet2399 They did say there was a lot of food in the writers room....

I could see a scene where they had her in her one piece costume with the v-cut with a really nice shot of her ass, and she looks at the screen and says "you know my ass is CGI, right?" That would have been meta and funny and fan service. But, you're going to have a problem with any superhero movie about women that attacks and doesn't appeal to the male audience. Because most women won't watch it to begin with. And even most women don't want to see female superheroes in potato sack obscuring costumes. And most women wouldn't watch the show to see She Hulk beat or humiliate a guy..... they would watch it to see her in a romance with a hot guy or two hot guys. This show was written to appeal to the segment of women who are angry and aggrieved. That is it most 15% of the total population it was set up for failure from the start. And the budget was too high for such a niche set of customers. Since men makeup 65 to 75% of the audience for these shows, if they want to make a profit they're going to have to make shows that entertain men. And if they want to appeal to women, Aquaman 1 shows us they're going to have to show a very attractive male star partially undressed. If you look at Deadpool 1, we had his girlfriend, play by Marina Baccin, who loved him and dressed in hot sexy costumes. Though as far as I can recall they didn't have cheesecake to appeal to the ladies so they may have missed an audience segment there.

The kind of misandrist belittling and constant whining about her job and situation that Jen in the TV show engages in is born from INSECURITY. A person comfortable in her own skin doesn't need to put other people down and loses nothing by lifting them up. A person who knows they can succeed has nothing to fear from losing their job or taking risks. THIS is what She-Hulk from the comics was like. She was friendly and generous and it all stemmed from being truly awesome and knowing it. If anything, Jen in the comics liked being She-Hulk TOO MUCH. They couldn't have gotten the character more backwards if they tried. And they did try!

He did back peddle a bit after the finale but yea seeing him not fairly critique the first episode after seeing all the shit that went on was huge redflag and basically he was just rolling over for it

​@@thebonk7138 That's modern Joe for you, a simp to Disney and to anyone who promotes his ideologies cap believes.

Yep I remember him not liking the last Jedi then he changed his mind & did a video on how much he loved it that's when I noticed he started to shill

Oh god, ppl still watch irritated Joseph? But, why….? My left boot has more to add to a discussion about media than his entire team put together…

@EmptyAltruism I mean I still agree with alot of his channels takes mostly from Alex and OJ not from him necessarily

Because they are white, straight males.

@@snakeplisskin8696 You're not wrong, and it's related to a competency crisis. I've seen how screenwriting competitions have changed since 2020. Prior to 2020, I always received actionable feedback for my work (and I've won both 1st and 2nd place). After 2020, I sometimes get literal moral lecturing in my feedback, telling me what I can't or shouldn't write with no understanding of storytelling. The way Hollywood sources it's new writers is beyond broken, it's FUBAR.

It had the insight of a freshman writer, too. Hey, man, did you know, sexism is bad. We have to stop that.

@@onequickthing8950 honestly, I'd expect a freshman writer to do better than that. Because I expect people going to university/college for an art field to already be somewhat good at said field. For example, a good friend of mine got a degree in music focusing on classical guitar. By the time he went to university, he had been playing guitar for years. He had a band in school that did covers of metal songs and he had written songs of his own. Basically I expect that level of writing from a teenager just starting out.

@@ZealotOfSteal I'm not commenting on talent, i'm commenting on maturity. When you're a kid, your parents protect you from the harsh truths of reality. Then you hit your late teens and learn the government lies, cops are corrupt, and there probably isn't a god, and you think that you're the first person to realize this. Then you offer these simplistic solution, that you don't realize we've tried for hundreds of years, but they don't work. We can fix poverty by just giving poor people money, right? There isn't an complex systemic problem, bad things happen because bad people are bad. So freshman writing classes are full of adults who still have child like values, and offer simple minded solutions. They think they're profound, because they haven't been around long enough to know they're hack.

One of what… the worst or the best???

@@z00merout of all the shows I’ve never seen i most certainly didn’t see she hulk the most

I wish it wasn’t

She-Hulk was the TV show of all time. It completely the Internet. If you added up every person who watched the show, you would have all of them.

True.

“When the dust settles, the only thing living in this world will be metal.” - Ultron, Age Of Ultron

Oh fuck yes! Black widow with Scarlet Witch! 🥵

oldest profession in the world

In Shakespeare's time, actors and prostitutes had the same status. Kinda figures really.

How can you go from pickle Rick to this???

I'm not the biggest Rick and Morty fan, but I watched that episode and honestly, it was not bad. In context it made sense why Rick did that, albeit it was very silly but that's how Rick works sometimes, and the rest of the episode was pretty good, the action was good and even the last part with them a the psychiatrist was ok. I don't know what else she wrote, but I feel like Pickle Rick was never the problem, people just like to point it out because out of context it's a really nonsensical and not funny scene. We should still shit on her for She-Hulk though.

I mean it was definitely over budget but it was also a trash show so it was a real double whammy. I think it could've had a chance at season 2 if people actually liked it, but no way Disney was gonna gamble that again especially with how many other failures they've put out recently.

@kreipoyke The only way a season 2 would have worked. Is if they actually made a season 1 that reflected her comic.

They did ??

I understand what you are trying to say. But you really need to edit and add a few more words to your comment.

“one of the WORST MCU shows ever…” you mean

@@Darth_Lexthey were making a lame unoriginal joke

@@cokemaster3710 UR MOM is a lame, unoriginal joke! SNAP!

Seriously, my eyes rolled so hard.

i hope so. guy needs help. and some sun.

​@@celozzipWow scathing.....

I disagree. I think even fictional characters don't like bad things to happen to them.

My main hope for Deadpool 3 is to have Wade shoot her in the head.

Does Bolivian Marching Powder go under 'Sundry'?

The only analysis they do is keeping racial and gender quotas, talent isn’t part of the equation.

The basic concept of a hero is to struggle and overcome difficulties. Without the challenge, there is no heroism. The classic hero‘s journey always includes setbacks, challenges and tests not only of strength, but of character. The modern day examples you made have none of that, hence they are not heroes. People see them and realize that these characters are not heroes. They are just powerful and full of pride, with zero character development. Their story is just a basic explanation how they came to be so powerful, which is usually the path of the villain. So yeah, people don’t like these characters, because they are not heroes. Has nothing to do with their gender as people liked female heroes for a very long time. Though the sad thing is that modern day Hollywood does train us to associate „female lead“ with this type of character through our human ability to recognize patterns (writer’s patterns of Hollywood in this case).

@@davidgantenbein9362yeah it’s that. But it’s also because they’re total shite.

Their partnership in creating the Netflix marvel shows was pretty great.

People only subscribe to Disney plus to watch the old Disney , Pixar , marvel , Star Wars content .,

As is AZ.. lol

I think he's in therapy after Echo.

without She Hulk, Echo and Robyn Hood I need him to find something terrible to review

That is right up there with "Black girl magic!" Or in Wandavision "They'll never know what you gave up for them" after she had just driven an entire town to the point of insanity and suicide, but somehow she's the victim.

Agreed there are things women can do better & there are things men can do better...as far as women making movies & Television is not one of them 👎🏾

Nonsense. Misogyny is just as foolish as misandry.

@@Mereologist Any kind of "mis" is foolish...

HARD disagree, but the problem with Disney is they hire based on gender FIRST (or some other checkbox), and not talent. Results are 100% predictable.

@xiiirob Ok, if I'm wrong. Name one (1) all female written, directed, and acted movie or D+ show that was well written, financially successful, and received by the public at large. Just 1.

In the description he has all his podcasts listed. He does a fairly good job of listing their topics.

Sometimes it takes a few days to re-upload. Keep checking Drinkers second channel.

Wow, now I'm angry.

Source for information please?

“I’m very good at what I do, but what I do isn’t very nice” I love how they’re like “let’s make these violent killing machines family-friendly” if I wanted Generic McActionHero, I’d watch something else