MCU Phase 4 is like taking a bunch of random side quests after completing the main campaign in a nutshell.

Phase 4 had a point. To erase all the Male superhero’s. That’s what was all about, and why there was no big story arc connecting anything.

Let's not forget who really made Civil War, The Winter Soldier, infinity War, and Endgame - the Russos. Their talents made those movies the successes they are. They added a realism and relatability to those movies that everything after really doesn't have.

It's crazy that Age of Ultron, Thor 1, hell even Iron Man 2 look great compared to what they are putting out now. Not saying that those, movies were awful but they were never considered top tier Marvel Movies.

I said this before and I’ll say it again, I have no more sympathy for Disney. They lost themselves in their quest to appease the unappeasable and ended up ostracizing the people who were already relatively pleased with where Marvel was going before Endgame. They also totally and utterly ruined Star Wars (which was doing relatively fine prior to Disney getting a hold of it) as an IP. There’s also plenty of other Intellectual properties and franchises they absolutely obliterated that I haven’t listed yet because the list just goes on and on and on. They are the architect of their own failures and at this point, the only thing they can do to bring me any kind of joy from them is wither away. That way, newer entertainment companies with ENTERTAINMENT as their top priority can fill the void in our hearts and minds that Disney left in its wake.

lmao. the audience has been "Thanos snapped." i love this.

Correction: The Blip. Kinda fitting in a way since it quickly became such a joke pretty much a running gag in the universe.

“A horrible disaster with a really good paint job.” - Mauler

Perfect example of Lucas, who was only good when he had a TEAM of talented people around him that weren't afraid to tell him how BAD his ideas were.

If Phase Four was mostly cosmic stuff with good films and maybe a multiverse movie or two thrown in the MCU would probably be in a far better place and Disney wouldn’t be hemorrhaging money nearly as much as they are now, Marvel truly is their own worst enemy.

Vital information if you're wondering how the wheels fell off. Great work Andre and Gary.

Phase 1-3 were linear story driven games, phase 4 was mmo filler/fetch quests

Apart from the writing and directing being poor, the things that ruined phase 4 were not addressing the snap and snap back. I've said it a million times, people, even normies were waiting and wondering how the world In the mcu would deal with and change with such a massive, historical, mind boggling, life changing event. We all imagined how their lives would be affected because we all imagine how we'd be affected. All we got was some kids had to repeat a year at school, some hipsters got kicked out of their houses because the real owner came back and they've opened a new ice cream shop franchise. It's insane to just brush it under the carpet and move on. Now any future events won't matter because we all know that it'll be a minor inconvenience to the people of the mcu when it's over. That leads to the f**King giant celestial sticking out of earth that no one's bothered about. Another life changing history making event that doesn't matter. The whole point of these movies and TV shows are connected. And the other thing is not capping the phase off with a team up. No excuse for this one. I don't think any team up was planned and pushed back. It's so stupid. It's what made each phase. If a few of the films were crap then you know you were still leading to something like a team up then each team up was leading to the biggest team up during end game. Not having that just left you with the truth thst the individual films aren't that good and mostly haven't been that good in any phase. They're just worse now because the writing is atrocious and usually filled with the message. At least in the other phases they were just finding their feet and you did get some really good ones when handled properly. Nuff said.

The movies were already getting tedious and repetitive, but what really killed my interest was knowing I had to pay attention to the tv shows to keep up. When that happened, I stopped bothering with the movies too.

Phase 4 turned out to be an attempt at pushing the limits on how much of entertainment can be removed from their IPs, and be replaced by "messages", without the loss of profit and or possibly even raising them. But their decisions and their outcomes were so obvious from the start that it truly confused me. we all watched them needlessly struggle while trying methods that were either had been attempted and failed, or they were so bad that they weren't even worth a try. Regardless, we must congratulate them on being able to waste all this time, money, IP, respect, fan, and revenue. How to ruine your business 101

MauLer nailed it: "Marvel: A Horrible Disaster With a Good Paint Job".

Like most of the other people, my interest in the MCU practically vanished after dealing with someone as huge as Thanos. After that, the average person can't tolerate this woke stuff.

The only thing I remember about phase 4 is that it was woke AF

When creative people, spend to much time in Hollywood, they lose everything about themselves that made them creative.

I’ll never forgive Marvel for forgetting The Blip. So much interesting and unique stories could’ve came out of that cosmic event and it’s brought up only a handful of times. So many interesting stories and questions could be answered if they’d stop and smell the roses. Your telling me everyone is just fine and dandy after half the population disappeared for half a decade.

I think the difference between Marvel's struggles and DC's are that Marvel's were really deep behind the scenes whereas DC's were all over the front page. That effects how well things can be covered up, or even fixed. The MCU comes out of it overcoming some of their issues, while DC never could

Gods and Monsters is DC proper though. It was the subtitle of a Justice League animated movie in 2015 and it's companion web series and comic book. It's an alternate universe where Superman is the son of General Zod, Batman is Kirk Langstrom (Man Bat in the original universe) and Wonder Woman is Bekka, one of the New Gods (the same race as Darkseid). It was a decent watch.

*Terrace Howard being replaced by Don Cheadle to be the new James Rhodes* MCU: "We sleep." *Chadwick Boseman passed away and his family are okay with the recasting of someone to be the new T'Challa* MCU: "Real Shit!"

Tbf, no-one wanted to help Lucas with the prequels. From what I recall, he even asked Spielberg to direct one of them for him but everyone understood just how much pressure would be on everyone making those movies and declined.

Civil war turned out to be freaking epic - Not as tight as Winter Soldier but a great comic book movie. Spider man cropping up was cool of course... Tom Holland has been fantastic... Iron man in there and their inevitable battle at the end is great. but for me the punch-the-air moment was Ant man turning gigantic in the airport battle and kicking off tearing bits of planes and booting coaches around. There is a face CU of him doing a confirming laugh after turning giant... its a real "omfg can you believe we are getting away with this in cinema?!" That was one of the defining moments in the MCU for me where you could say 'omg they really are pushing it' and it worked 1000% I think after that point Marvel started saying "ok how can we add crazy ass moments into our films on par with that?" ...and if i'm honest they've been struggling since. They could have done tons with Dr Strange 2 ...i would have loved to have seen a brief scene in the paint world... even just a few shots... or have them turn into 2d images... a bit like Pixar's inside out when the characters are deconstructed... there was a chance to be really creative... but it just centred around Wanda. Altho some crazy Sam Raimy Shots in there like the eyeball in the water reflection.. felt very Evil Dead lol

phase 1-3 tried to be like classic marvel comics, post Endgame tried to be like modern marvel comics : nobody reads em or likes em

Snipes got Marvel out of bankruptcy, but unfortunately they didn't help him...

Gotta love how any criticism is being met with “yeah but they made so much money!!!” That doesn’t mean it was good ffs.

First Iron Man is still the best of the MCU, honestly. Thor 1, Captain America 1 and Avengers 1 was fantastic

Wesley Snipes was approached about Black Panther in 1992. Ike Perlmutter only joined the board of directors for Marvel Comics in 1993 but he didn't have much power until 1996-1997 when he bailed out Marvel after they went bankrupt. I don't believe he was fired for the reasons Igor said, but what Andre said about the Black Panther movie with Wesley Snipes is not true

It really shouldn't be that hard to canabalize... I mean adapt the massive stockpile of stories and characters ready made. The easy part should be constructing the plots.

Marvels costly phase four woke experiment will take years to dig out of. I could see them selling Hulu or FX, or both.

I knew this was done when they announced Kang was the big bad. That and all the third tier characters being shoved down our throats.

Firing Gunn for a 10 year old tweet was the costliest mistake the Rabid Woke Mouse Studio made.

IMO phase 4 started incredibly strong - Wandavision's first few episodes were great; a complete mindf*ck that was seemingly playing a long game, not trying to win the audience over with flashy action and simplistic story, but rather offering something new, weird and borderline Lynchian. Then halfway through it suddenly turned into shit, paving the way for the rest of phase 4.

Thanks, as always, for uploading clips! I missed the stream, sadly.

It's ironic that the headshipchange happened after Civil War since that was what essentially happened behind the scenes.

I actually forgot i watched Werewolf by Night, it was actually interesting and a good watch nothing stupid just pure entertainment, if this was old Marvel then i would've been excited for more.

Do Excalibur on your second channel Drinker. Saw it again the other day. It still made my heart soar at certain parts. Cheers for the vids.

Civil War was actually the last MCU filim I watched. IM3 was utter disappointment, CW was mediocre. But the final nail in the coffin for me was the trailer for Ragnorok. It was right at the time where Marvel were trying to stick it to DC by being "light-hearted and fun". They tripled-down on the humour with Ragnorok, even the trailer looked like a shitty SNL skit. The complaints people had with the humour in Thor4 is how I felt about Ragnorok.

So as a reminder, did Gunn get canned first, or did Perlmutter? Because if Perlmutter got booted first, then Gunn going after feels like it might be a strange case of karma and leaves me wondering how things might have alternately gone if Perlmutter had stayed around, whether with or without Gunn.

Wasn't Perlmutter responsible for Inhumans? We did have a good Inhumans show ... but that was Agents of SHIELD, not the one actually called Inhumans.

There’s nothing wrong with experimenting and just having a whole phase introduce new characters. However this phase suffered from extremely bad writing and just overall annoying moral/ideological preaching.

I loved Guardians and I think James Gunn was actually the glue that kind of helped the MCU work as one in Phase 3, especially towards the end. If Guardians had have been a flop then the whole Thanos story wouldn't have worked.

I miss agents of shield. That actually had good story arcs.

Hate the way in Thor L&T Jane having cancer was basically taken as a joke and the film not letting you have time to sink in without having a rubbish joke every five minutes, I had a sibling who died from cancer and its a traumatic experience. Definitely the worst Marvel film so far and that includes the ones before the MCU

The only way I can actually watch marvel projects or shows is literally intoxicated or blazed and even then some of these projects suck so much I can point out how bad it is when I can barely put together a coherent sentence at the time lol.

7:02 do not compare Star Wars to marvel. George Lucas, who is the creator of the Star Wars universe, and so it wasn’t out of bounds for him to make the prequel’s. The prequel’s we’re nowhere near as bad as marvel. The Star Wars universe was preserved, expand and beloved by George Lucas, he built Star Wars what it is, and he made sure there were no contradictions in the rules of the Star Wars universe. That is not comparable in the slightest marble. Disney does not even carry love or respect for their IP’s… all they care about is their political messaging telling people how to think. There is absolutely no way that you can act like Fiege is creatively similar to George Lucas… the prequels are god tier compared to the uninspired woke trash that is marvel phase four

Great info, Andre, didn't know that behind the scenes

Iron Man 1 movie is the first of MCU and Endgame should be its last to stop there at the blaze of glory than dying with a whimper via Phase 4.

It wasn't just Ike Perlmutter, though - remember that Stan Lee died right around the time when Phase 3 was wrapping up. Disney waited until he was in the ground and couldn't raise any objections, and then they proceeded to crap all over his legacy.

Phase Four felt like a default setting

Kevin Feige is the cinematic equivalent of Bob Kane.

Hearing you hold up Perlmutter as a force for good just feels kind of weird considering he was behind that horrific Inhumans show

Andre made some excellent points when he compared Feige’s hubris to George Lucas’ when he made the prequels.

Marvel going the Icarus route

Avengers AoU was the start of decline of my interest in superheroes. It felt so low over the years I haven't even watched The Batman :v The only exception here was anime Tiger & Bunny

This was extremely informative!

Wesley Snipes Black Panther would’ve been awesome

If Disney Marvel does an X Men reboot they can cast Victoria Alonzo as The Blob. There, I SAID IT!

Phase 4 was supposed to be the Skrulls and Secret Invasion. That's what was set up in the earlier movies

Always nice to see Andre from midnight's edge on here

This taking other contributors away from the development of story's should be called "getting Druckmanned".. Feigi gets free range, phase 4, Neil druckmann gets full control the last of us 2, Disney.. star wars. Same storey each time

The movie that started the ruin of the MCU was Captain Brie. Endgame was already a disappointment in relation to Infinity War

Don't make a hero out of Perlmutter. He is a notorious cheap skate and was responsible for Inhumans...the worst thing ever to come out of Marvel Studios.

Phase 4 is like a ship without a rudder. A plane without a captain.

Phase 4 is like one of those shitty anime fillers where the actual plot is 10% of it

I will stand that we were robed of a Ronin prequel series set during the snap.

Great clip!

8:07 Melonie Mac makes a noise

“Representation matters” ❌ “Representation with a good story matters” ✅

Interesting to hear all of this behind the scene politics stuff. I always wondered whether Joe Quesada stepping away from Marvel had anything to do with the decline in creative quality in the productions. Seems to me like his leaving coincided with the comics going downhill too. The last good runs I've collected are no later than around 2015 or 2017.

Where can I watch the full stream?

Removed the control mechanism... feel like thats the explanation for so many of the worlds biggest problems.

Whats hilarious is i have no idea what channel the full episode of these clips is actually based in. So I only ever get to see them after the fact, in little tidbits.

Phase bore was their bright idea to introduce us to new characters who are so dull and boring nobody cares about and also casting them with lackluster charisma free actors.

Well, if Feige is responsible for Civil War and what followed until Endgame, then good on him-except Capt. Marvel. And for me, Age of Ultron gets better with age. Oh, it still has its problems, but it means more in light of Endgame.

MCU phase 4 set up the biggest villain that we’ve ever seen, more powerful than Thanos, more unstoppable than Wanda, more all seeing than The Watcher. An unbeatable foe which no hero can stop. Kevin Feige.

westley snipes as black panther would have been epic

Great input from Melonie in this video!

Andre is an awesome guest, have him back again

5:06 Whaaaaat? You mean more than one person works on a movie? No way! This guy’s a genius.

I never understand why everyone seems to see Gunn as some kind of creative savior; his films have never shown an understanding of the core traits of these characters, they are just vehicles by which he can practice his all too familiar "goofing" and self-conscious quirkiness. He's one of the most overrated filmmakers ever IMO.

I am (was) a MCU fan and still didn't know much of this stuff, very informative!

Drinker, are you going to have any appearances outside the perimeter when you come to Atlanta say in Cobb County, Marietta up north?

"We must counter Batman v. Superman!" No, you needed to sit back and laugh at Batman v. Superman.

Phase 1 was building up the individual characters so they could show up in each other's movies. Captain America 3 was planned all along. The whole point was building up to the climax of End Game. These things have been done in comics for decades, now they just had to add billions of dollars in special effects and expensive actors.

Don't agree with Andre at all; before jumping on Perlmutter train should consider IM 2 and3 , consider Favreau leaving MCU , Cpt 1 , Ultron and the TV past DD s1 and JJ1. Like its easy to take a dump on Kevin but remember the project going for 10 years that took you on this journey was by him and not a multibilionaire - maybe he stumbled and fall, maybe he just took a break after 10 years and let people just wing it (who knows) , or maybe he is just a general consultant these days to stir the ship idk but there are hopes for next phase of MCU.

I loved the first 3 phases of the MCU. Seen some of the movies plenty of times. Phase 4 is a massive let down. Pretty much everything isn't worth rewatching. To much world ending events in it too. So disappointing

Phase 4 should've been about dealing with the aftermath of the Infinity War (Snap, the 5 year interrim, the 2nd Snap, Natasha's, Tony's and de facto Steve's death). And the final villain could've been Wanda who lost her mind thanks to contantly losing everything and everyone (perhaps even her fake children). But instead the events of the Infinity War were de facto ignored which is utterly baffling.

I do still believe that for all of its flaws, Wandavision did have a lot of reasonable arguments for themes to be explored after Endgame. The aftermath of the snap, people coming back from it, people dealing with it on the other side, grief, anxiety and struggling to move on from the trauma Thanos caused everyone. It would have been a good study of heroes struggling to be heroes again and having the pressure of that mantle but also learning to be heroes again in their own way. There was a lot of potential. Unfortunately, the storytelling fell apart and stopped being meaningful or inspiring.

I'm curious as to where Andre got the information he has. I'd like to check it out myself.

Is Andre from Midnight's Edge?

Disney feels like phase 4 is a huge success. One of the ways they are coping and trying to appease shareholders is telling them they are “setting things up“ it’s a “long game“.

Still not sure what show these clips are from. I just get them suggested randomly.

Thor love and thunder was like a poison dose taken for the MCU it was so crap and they will need major recovery after that.

I haven’t watched a single phase 4 movie and I saw every single movie and show from the first three phases, marvels downfall is disturbing and sad

Phase 4 has been a disaster. Nothing of worth was created and the money wasted on the crap that has festooned D+ has cost them countless subs. I’m not sure that the lost ground can be recovered.

Thank you, Andre. I've always said this about Perlmutter being the restraint on Kevin Feige but it was only a guess and I never researched it. I remember first being surprised by Feige's woke turn when he was in front of every camera for Black Panther. It would be the entire case AND Kevin Feige. Chadwick Boseman AND Kevin Feige, Etc. He never did that before and I thought it was so strange. Since then he's gone full woke.

I've never seen a franchise fumble the bag so hard with phase 4. Wandavision bringing in Xmen quicksilver just for A Ralph Boner joke.